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whiskeyrbl
03-15-2006, 01:12 PM
Broncos | Team shopping two first-round picks
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:23:37 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are shopping their two first-round picks in the 2006 NFL Draft in exchange for early picks in the 2007 NFL Draft. The team does not have much cap space left after paying out several up-front signing bonuses.

travfrancis
03-15-2006, 01:15 PM
two late 1sts isnt enough for the #1 pick

O.G.
03-15-2006, 01:16 PM
Broncos | Team shopping two first-round picks
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:23:37 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are shopping their two first-round picks in the 2006 NFL Draft in exchange for early picks in the 2007 NFL Draft. The team does not have much cap space left after paying out several up-front signing bonuses.

Very tempting if that is the case. I would seriously think about it.

bdiddy
03-15-2006, 01:16 PM
2007 Draft, as in next year. This is pretty interesting.

O.G.
03-15-2006, 01:18 PM
two late 1sts isnt enough for the #1 pick

From what I got on the statement, I think it would be for 2007 not this years draft. I don't know what kind of cap implications we would have if we had 3 1st round picks this year. I would hate to even imagine.

Porky
03-15-2006, 01:20 PM
I wouldn't do it because I personally don't like the talent in the middle-late part of the first round from a value perspective. You have a bunch of 2nd round talent in there, that will demand 1st round money. The draft has a great top half dozen or so, and it is deep, with lots of guys who deserve to be 2nd and 3rd rounders, but do we really want two 1st rounders with second rd talent, then not get our (likely) top ten pick next year? I don't. If they throw in both firsts this year, and their 2nd next yr, I will reconsider. :ok:

bdiddy
03-15-2006, 01:24 PM
I wouldn't do it because I personally don't like the talent in the middle-late part of the first round from a value perspective. You have a bunch of 2nd round talent in there, that will demand 1st round money. The draft has a great top half dozen or so, and it is deep, with lots of guys who deserve to be 2nd and 3rd rounders, but do we really want two 1st rounders with second rd talent, then not get our (likely) top ten pick next year? I don't. If they throw in both firsts this year, and their 2nd next yr, I will reconsider. :ok:

Say we give up our first round and fourth round pick next year. We get two extra first rounders, helping us to go 8-8. Thus, we would be picking near the middle of the first round (15-18). Your telling me you would not give up the 15th pick and a fourth rounder for two first your picks this year?

Kaiser Toro
03-15-2006, 01:28 PM
Say we give up our first round and fourth round pick next year. We get two extra first rounders, helping us to go 8-8. Thus, we would be picking near the middle of the first round (15-18). Your telling me you would not give up the 15th pick and a fourth rounder for two first your picks this year?

Interesting proposition. Cap will continue to go up and Kubiak and staff starts off with teaching new young talented guys in need positions this year in camp. It sounds good, but is it executable for future cap implications? Very interesting.

big homey
03-15-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't understand why the Broncos would trade 2 firsts and gamble on who's gonna be bad next year. If they trade them to a team and that team makes a huge improvement, the Broncos get gypped.

Blake
03-15-2006, 01:33 PM
I would do it for our #1 and #2 next year.

1st round Bush; Pope; Mangold
2nd round Scott

Heck yes.

bdiddy
03-15-2006, 01:33 PM
I don't understand why the Broncos would trade 2 firsts and gamble on who's gonna be bad next year. If they trade them to a team and that team makes a huge improvement, the Broncos get gypped.

This is probably why we would not be in the mix. The Texans could be very bad next year, but could easily go .500. I think the only possible trading partners would be the Jets and possibly the Saints.

Sarg01
03-15-2006, 01:38 PM
I wouldn't do it because I personally don't like the talent in the middle-late part of the first round from a value perspective. You have a bunch of 2nd round talent in there, that will demand 1st round money. The draft has a great top half dozen or so, and it is deep, with lots of guys who deserve to be 2nd and 3rd rounders, but do we really want two 1st rounders with second rd talent, then not get our (likely) top ten pick next year? I don't. If they throw in both firsts this year, and their 2nd next yr, I will reconsider. :ok:

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your conclusion. This is one of the best years for 1st round talent I've seen. In fact, it's looking like 1st round talent will be available well into the 2nd round and not the reverse.

Looking just at Texan need positions:

WR Chad Jackson
TE Marcedes Lewis + Leonard Pope
OLB DeMeco Ryans, Ernie Sims, Bobby Carpenter, Thomas Howard
C Nick Mangold
OT Daryn College
CB Tye Hill + Ashton Youboty

This is 2nd round talent?

More to the point, wouldn't any one of those players be obvious starters for the Texans?

O.G.
03-15-2006, 01:39 PM
I would do it for our #1 and #2 next year.

1st round Bush; Pope; Mangold
2nd round Scott

Heck yes.

I like the sound of that or pick up WR Chad Jackson with one of those pics

KSig44
03-15-2006, 01:40 PM
Y ouwould be stupid not to do this for a first and fourth next year. This year is an unusually high quality draft, next year looks to be a down year with who is currently college seniors. This year there are 48 players who could all land somewhere in the first round. That means we could possible get 4 first round quality players for what will probably be a pick ing the 10-15 range next year. Where do I sign?:redtowel:

Meloy
03-15-2006, 01:43 PM
On a similar note on another thread, I offered the possibility of having more than one pick in this year's draft AND was soundly trounced by one & all. Too much $ involved and the more picks the more chance of a pick being a bust. I would gladly take two later firsts this year for a possible mid-first round in 2007. McNair said he has been over the cap the last two years and expects to be this year for the right players. Even if as mentioned above there are 2nd rounders that may go in first, at least they would be OUR players. We should be able to get some quality from 2 guys who maybe should have gone in top 5 of second rather than first. Especially if as some have implied, we should pick up some quality with our 2 third round picks.

O.G.
03-15-2006, 01:45 PM
Y ouwould be stupid not to do this for a first and fourth next year. This year is an unusually high quality draft, next year looks to be a down year with who is currently college seniors. This year there are 48 players who could all land somewhere in the first round. That means we could possible get 4 first round quality players for what will probably be a pick ing the 10-15 range next year. Where do I sign?:redtowel:

If this were to happen, could you imagine the Texans having 6 of the top 66 coming out.......d@$n!

nunusguy
03-15-2006, 01:49 PM
I wouldn't do it because I personally don't like the talent in the middle-late part of the first round from a value perspective.
Maybe this offer by the Broncos confirms your theory ?

el toro
03-15-2006, 01:52 PM
Trading future picks is a precarious proposition.

Sarg01
03-15-2006, 02:04 PM
Trading future picks is a precarious proposition.

Not for current picks with higher value.

Totally ignoring that this draft class looks much stronger than next years, the Broncos picks are worth the #8 pick by the "value chart" in a straight up trade. The only "risk" is that the Texans pick next year will be higher than the #8. However, the real risk with the transaction is all Denver's, since we'll have the proverbial "bird in the hand". In fact, we'd have two of 'em.

el toro
03-15-2006, 02:20 PM
Well, that's assuming you'd only have to give up one future 1st rounder. Maybe the Broncs take a gamble on that, I'm not so sure.

Porky
03-15-2006, 02:55 PM
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your conclusion. This is one of the best years for 1st round talent I've seen. In fact, it's looking like 1st round talent will be available well into the 2nd round and not the reverse.

Looking just at Texan need positions:

WR Chad Jackson
TE Marcedes Lewis + Leonard Pope
OLB DeMeco Ryans, Ernie Sims, Bobby Carpenter, Thomas Howard
C Nick Mangold
OT Daryn College
CB Tye Hill + Ashton Youboty

This is 2nd round talent?

More to the point, wouldn't any one of those players be obvious starters for the Texans?

And this is why Denver is just dying to give away two lower first rounders, because the talent level is so great there right? Keep deluding yourself. I heard that most scouts (no not internet scouts, real live scouts working for NFL teams) say that outside of the real top guys, and we know those guys, there are only a handful of guys with first round grades, and that most all of the guys from 10-12 on have second rd grades. The draft is a mile wide and an inch deep. The value is in round 2 and 3. If we want more picks, I would rather have 2 more in those rounds, rather than the first because of the long term cap implications. It's easy to be message board GM. In the real world, when you have cap implications, and a pool of rookie money, it's not so easy. In any case, I tend to believe actual scouts, rather than message board hypers that don't know any more than what some pimply faced 17 yr old with 6 dollars to buy a domain tells them to think.

whiskeyrbl
03-15-2006, 02:58 PM
And this is why Denver is just dying to give away two lower first rounders, because the talent level is so great there right? Keep deluding yourself. I heard that most scouts (no not internet scouts, real live scouts working for NFL teams) say that outside of the real top guys, and we know those guys, there are only a handful of guys with first round grades, and that most all of the guys from 10-12 on have second rd grades. The draft is a mile wide and an inch deep. The value is in round 2 and 3. If we want more picks, I would rather have 2 more in those rounds, rather than the first because of the long term cap implications. It's easy to be message board GM. In the real world, when you have cap implications, and a pool of rookie money, it's not so easy. In any case, I tend to believe actual scouts, rather than message board hypers that don't know any more than what some pimply faced 17 yr old with 6 dollars to buy a domain tells them to think.

If you read the whole thing the reason that they are too close to the cap right now.

TheRealJoker
03-15-2006, 03:08 PM
I would love to have the Texans do this trade. But im afraid of what Casserly might give them for being such good sports...

"Oh, since you were so nice to give us 2 first rounders for 1, you get to pick between Dunta and AJ!!!"

2 CENTS
03-15-2006, 03:34 PM
If I was GM. I would Trade the # 1 Pick. Try and Drop down to 5 or 6 and ask for another 2nd round PICK. The do the Trade Picks with Denver.
I would then DRAFT VINCE with 5 or 6 pick. With Denvers 2 First Rounders I would PICK (CB Kelly Jennings), with Denvers 2nd First rounder I would Pick (OT Eric Winston or DT Broderick Bunkley) Depending on Availabilty.
With our 2nd ROUND PICK (C Nick Mangold) and the Trade Pick we Picked up gor Dropping to 4 or 5 I would take RB Joseph ADDAI.
OUR 3 round 2 Picks back to Back (WR Jason AVANT & OG Charles Spencer or OT Taitus Lutui). I don't see a need for Drafting a LB in the first 3 rounds as we have WONG,GREENWOOD and BABIN whom I would move to the Middle LB position.

My 2 Cents OUT

Meloy
03-15-2006, 03:39 PM
If I was GM. I would Trade the # 1 Pick. Try and Drop down to 5 or 6 and ask for another 2nd round PICK. The do the Trade Picks with Denver.
I would then DRAFT VINCE with 5 or 6 pick. With Denvers 2 First Rounders I would PICK (CB Kelly Jennings), with Denvers 2nd First rounder I would Pick (OT Eric Winston or DT Broderick Bunkley) Depending on Availabilty.
With our 2nd ROUND PICK (C Nick Mangold) and the Trade Pick we Picked up gor Dropping to 4 or 5 I would take RB Joseph ADDAI.
OUR 3 round 2 Picks back to Back (WR Jason AVANT & OG Charles Spencer or OT Taitus Lutui). I don't see a need for Drafting a LB in the first 3 rounds as we have WONG,GREENWOOD and BABIN whom I would move to the Middle LB position.

My 2 Cents OUT Babin to MLB? Have not heard that one yet. Does he have smarts/experience to be calling plays at that position?

TexanAddict
03-15-2006, 03:49 PM
Anyone who thinks Babin will be playing MLB needs to think again. He was a DE coming out of school that they attempted to convert to a DE/OLB hybrid in our 3-4, with mixed results. Many on this board have posted that they think he is the biggest bust in the franchises short history (I personally don't agree with this take). Now some are suggesting he be moved to MLB where he will be in charge of calling the plays and basically running our front seven? There is no way I see that happening.

Maddict5
03-15-2006, 03:50 PM
not saying he'll turn out like him but kelly jennings reminds me of PBuch plus DT is our last need

thunderkyss
03-15-2006, 04:03 PM
If I was GM. I would Trade the # 1 Pick. Try and Drop down to 5 or 6 and ask for another 2nd round PICK. The do the Trade Picks with Denver.
I would then DRAFT VINCE with 5 or 6 pick. With Denvers 2 First Rounders I would PICK (CB Kelly Jennings), with Denvers 2nd First rounder I would Pick (OT Eric Winston or DT Broderick Bunkley) Depending on Availabilty.
With our 2nd ROUND PICK (C Nick Mangold) and the Trade Pick we Picked up gor Dropping to 4 or 5 I would take RB Joseph ADDAI.
OUR 3 round 2 Picks back to Back (WR Jason AVANT & OG Charles Spencer or OT Taitus Lutui). I don't see a need for Drafting a LB in the first 3 rounds as we have WONG,GREENWOOD and BABIN whom I would move to the Middle LB position.

My 2 Cents OUT

We would need two firsts in 2007 to get both of Denver's #1s.....

Sarg01
03-15-2006, 04:10 PM
And this is why Denver is just dying to give away two lower first rounders, because the talent level is so great there right? Keep deluding yourself.

The rumor (and it is still a rumor) is that they are shopping the picks for cap reasons due to paying out a bunch of upfront bonuses.

Of course, it's also worth mentioning that instant-starter on the Denver Broncos is a little higher threshold to cross than instant-starter on the Houston Texans. Shouldn't that be relevant?

I heard that most scouts (no not internet scouts, real live scouts working for NFL teams) say that outside of the real top guys, and we know those guys, there are only a handful of guys with first round grades, and that most all of the guys from 10-12 on have second rd grades.

Glad to know we have you to measure the pulse of the scouts. Or was that just a rumor you got off a message board?

You didn't address my listing of late 1st players. If your statement is to be believed, either a good portion of them are not 1st round material, or they will be picked in the upper first. If you would like to address the point, please respond with the players from my list that you feel are not 1st round quality or that you think will not reasonably be available at #22 (the Bronc's first pick)

It's easy to be message board GM. In the real world, when you have cap implications, and a pool of rookie money, it's not so easy.

I'm well aware of the cap. I'm well aware we have the room, since we're not all that active in FA this year. I'm aware of the rookie pool, and how its different for every team based upon their picks. I'm even aware of why it's a problem (since top rooks generally want more bucks than the pool allocated for them).

I'm also aware that rookie contracts (after the top 10 picks or so) are generally the CHEAPEST deals, cap-wise, for quality players. This goes double for a team that has to pay FAs higher than the market value due to their 2-14 record last year. Rookies don't get to demand more money because your team fared poorly.

infantrycak
03-15-2006, 05:04 PM
Anyone who thinks Babin will be playing MLB needs to think again. He was a DE coming out of school that they attempted to convert to a DE/OLB hybrid in our 3-4, with mixed results. Many on this board have posted that they think he is the biggest bust in the franchises short history (I personally don't agree with this take). Now some are suggesting he be moved to MLB where he will be in charge of calling the plays and basically running our front seven? There is no way I see that happening.

Yeah, no way a college DE moves to MLB.

Signed Kailee Wong.

kcwilson
03-15-2006, 05:13 PM
From www.kffl.com
Broncos | Team shopping two first-round picks
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:23:37 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are shopping their two first-round picks in the 2006 NFL Draft in exchange for early picks in the 2007 NFL Draft. The team does not have much cap space left after paying out several up-front signing bonuses.

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I love the depth of this year's draft. If we have the cap space, I can think of a lot of talent I would love to have this year to develop over the next few years.

Is our 1st rounder and 2nd rounder next year the equivalent of two first rounders this year, given that our #1 will be much earlier up the board than Denver's two picks this year.

I am all about the NOW.

TexanAddict
03-15-2006, 05:14 PM
Yeah, no way a college DE moves to MLB.

Signed Kailee Wong.

The question at hand is not whether a college DE can be molded to play a NFL MLB, the question is whether Babin will ever be allowed to become a player instead of a project. I suppose we could let him learn the MLB position for the next couple years, and then about the time he kinda has a feel for it, we can move him to the OL since we probably won't have addressed that yet.

kcwilson
03-15-2006, 05:21 PM
From www.kffl.com
Broncos | Team shopping two first-round picks
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:23:37 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are shopping their two first-round picks in the 2006 NFL Draft in exchange for early picks in the 2007 NFL Draft. The team does not have much cap space left after paying out several up-front signing bonuses.

***************************************
I love the depth of this year's draft. If we have the cap space, I can think of a lot of talent I would love to have this year to develop over the next few years.

Is our 1st rounder and 2nd rounder next year the equivalent of two first rounders this year, given that our #1 will be much earlier up the board than Denver's two picks this year.

I am all about the NOW.

Mailman04
03-15-2006, 05:45 PM
If Texans have cap room, I would do that. That would allow them to stayput and take Bush, Then add an OLM and WR probably in rest of first round and then take best player available with first pick of second round. I really like Winston or McNeill (Auburn) on the OL with that first pick of second round, McNeill probably won't slip that far, but he might.

MorKnolle
03-15-2006, 06:24 PM
I love the depth of this year's draft. If we have the cap space, I can think of a lot of talent I would love to have this year to develop over the next few years.

Is our 1st rounder and 2nd rounder next year the equivalent of two first rounders this year, given that our #1 will be much earlier up the board than Denver's two picks this year.

I am all about the NOW.

Three 1st round draft picks this year would overload our salary cap, although this is a pretty deep draft. If we could somehow package a deal and get the #22 and #29, then send those for one higher pick and a lower pick (i.e. the #16 and #48 are about equal in value to #22 and #29) that would probably be a better deal for us.

If we have cap space and depending on who is available, I'd be willing to ship a 2007 pick and one of our 3rd rounders for the #22, if it means grabbing Eric Winston I'd definitely look into it.

YoungTexanFan
03-15-2006, 06:58 PM
Wow, this is something new. We would have to take a hard look at our expectations and where we realisticly see our team being. If we have an honest shot at being around .500, we should explore this trade option. We would burden our cap this year, but have flexibility next year. Also, we need to look at who is set to be cut next year and who is going to save us money.

I would ask for maybe a 4th rounder this year also, to help balence out the trade, but could easily live without it.

This trade allows us to take Bush at #1 overall, while still being able to look for Eric Winston at #22. The #29 pick is a toss up, we should look Ko Simpson or D. Whitner from Ohio St. We then have pick #33, where we can look for M. Lewis/Pope, or Mangold, or even Kiwi since his best chance at staying in the first round is Denver.

texman8
03-15-2006, 07:33 PM
Three 1st round draft picks this year would overload our salary cap, although this is a pretty deep draft. If we could somehow package a deal and get the #22 and #29, then send those for one higher pick and a lower pick (i.e. the #16 and #48 are about equal in value to #22 and #29) that would probably be a better deal for us.

If we have cap space and depending on who is available, I'd be willing to ship a 2007 pick and one of our 3rd rounders for the #22, if it means grabbing Eric Winston I'd definitely look into it.

If Denver is serious in unloading #22 and #29; then I would go for it. Say, Texans finish with 6-7 wins that should put them in draft positions #10 to 15. So trade 2007 1st round and 2007 3rd for their two picks in 2006 draft. I like your idea of moving up higher in first round to #14 to#16 and an extra 2nd round pick.

One scenario;
1a. Bush
1b. Chad Jackson
2a. Cromartie
2b. Colledge
3a. Hodge
3b. Ray Edwards
4. Setterstrom

Second scenario:
1a. Mario Williams
1b. Chad Jackson
2a. Whitner
2b. Colledge
3a. Hodge
3b. Webb.
4. Eslinger

I feel if we can get Chad Jackson in 1st that will go a long way to solving our #2 WR spot. Or later we can get Nance or Hass...not the same impact.

Bubbajwp
03-15-2006, 10:48 PM
There is definetly some really good talent at the top of the 07 draft so I dont like the idea of giving them our first round pick. But I would definetly try and trade our second round pick from next year and maybe another late round pick for one of their first rounders this year.

But if we did get both of their firsts this year I would go with somthing like this.

1 Bush
1 Winston / Mangold
1 D Whitner / Ko simpson
2 E Sims / T Howard
In the third I would look for TE, DE or CB. If we sign Jeb p then I would just look for DE and CB.

TheTim5125
03-15-2006, 11:06 PM
Broncos | Team shopping two first-round picks
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:23:37 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are shopping their two first-round picks in the 2006 NFL Draft in exchange for early picks in the 2007 NFL Draft. The team does not have much cap space left after paying out several up-front signing bonuses.


Would you trade next years #1 for the 2 first rounders and say one of our 3rd round picks

YoungTexanFan
03-15-2006, 11:08 PM
Let's keep this thread going because this has sparked my interest.

1. Bush
22. Winston
29. Simpson
33. Joseph
65. Edwards
66. Settersom
97. Leon Williams/Nick Reid

Mightymike
03-15-2006, 11:35 PM
If I was GM. I would Trade the # 1 Pick. Try and Drop down to 5 or 6 and ask for another 2nd round PICK. The do the Trade Picks with Denver.
I would then DRAFT VINCE with 5 or 6 pick. With Denvers 2 First Rounders I would PICK (CB Kelly Jennings), with Denvers 2nd First rounder I would Pick (OT Eric Winston or DT Broderick Bunkley) Depending on Availabilty.
With our 2nd ROUND PICK (C Nick Mangold) and the Trade Pick we Picked up gor Dropping to 4 or 5 I would take RB Joseph ADDAI.
OUR 3 round 2 Picks back to Back (WR Jason AVANT & OG Charles Spencer or OT Taitus Lutui). I don't see a need for Drafting a LB in the first 3 rounds as we have WONG,GREENWOOD and BABIN whom I would move to the Middle LB position.

My 2 Cents OUT


the more i read your posts the dumber you sound
you take two players Bunkley, Addai at positions we don't need at all

Mightymike
03-15-2006, 11:41 PM
1. Bush
22. Winston
29. Pope
33. Simpson
65. Derek Hagan
66. Abdul Hodge
97. Ray Edwards
5th Fred Matua

considering our stance in free agency

YoungTexanFan
03-16-2006, 12:05 AM
1. Bush
22. Winston
29. Pope
33. Kiwi
65. Jason Allen
66. Abdul Hodge
97. Fred Matua

Sold.

You see the options we have with more picks??

Keep going people, throw out different options.

1. Bush
22. Winston
29. Hali
33. Whitner
65. Hodge
66. Eslinger
97. Ray Edwards

Isn't it fun to play around with picks like this? Why can't CC have dreams like ours?

kcwilson
03-16-2006, 12:45 AM
Point values for swapping picks...
http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

Assuming we were #10 in the draft in 2007, and we swapped our #1 and #2 next year, hen Denver is still getting a good bargain.

The biggest problem I have found is the cap sapce to sign all of the picks in the first round this year. Probably not do-able, unless we cut bait somewhere...

Mark Breuner gets us 1M in cap savings in 2006... not bad if we can use a pick in 2nd rd or beg of 3rd on TE. If we have Putzier, then go with Jeb and Matt Murphy... and Bennie the Ankle.

infantrycak
03-16-2006, 01:17 AM
Assuming we were #10 in the draft in 2007, and we swapped our #1 and #2 next year, hen Denver is still getting a good bargain.

General rule of thumb--picks from next year are devalued one round so a 1st round pick is valued as a 2nd round pick, etc. when compared to this year's picks.

Huge1
03-16-2006, 01:52 AM
And this is why Denver is just dying to give away two lower first rounders, because the talent level is so great there right? Keep deluding yourself. I heard that most scouts (no not internet scouts, real live scouts working for NFL teams) say that outside of the real top guys, and we know those guys, there are only a handful of guys with first round grades, and that most all of the guys from 10-12 on have second rd grades. The draft is a mile wide and an inch deep. The value is in round 2 and 3. If we want more picks, I would rather have 2 more in those rounds, rather than the first because of the long term cap implications. It's easy to be message board GM. In the real world, when you have cap implications, and a pool of rookie money, it's not so easy. In any case, I tend to believe actual scouts, rather than message board hypers that don't know any more than what some pimply faced 17 yr old with 6 dollars to buy a domain tells them to think.

Wow, this dude is clueless. How old are you? This draft is 40 DEEP in first round talent. When someone as talented as Mangold could possibly be available at the top of round 2? Do your research before you further make an *** out of yourself. You sound like a girl with less testosterone.

YoungTexanFan
03-16-2006, 08:41 AM
Wow, this dude is clueless. How old are you? This draft is 40 DEEP in first round talent. When someone as talented as Mangold could possibly be available at the top of round 2? Do your research before you further make an *** out of yourself. You sound like a girl with less testosterone.

The draft really isn't as deep as you are making it seem at the top. There are 8 guys or so who really deserve their picks, but then the guys below them dont. They are graded as LATE first or early second rounders. Professional scouts have said the same thing also. The Draft really starts in the 2nd round for a lot of teams. Then you start getting steals, because the draft is so deep with second round talent.

Maddict5
03-16-2006, 08:44 AM
1. Bush
22. Winston
29. Pope
33. Simpson
65. Derek Hagan
66. Abdul Hodge
97. Ray Edwards
5th Fred Matua

considering our stance in free agency

i wanna play...

1 reggie
22 justice/winston-dont care which
29 mangold
33 ko/allen
65 klop/byrd etc
66 rocky mcintosh(mlb)/ richard marshall(cb)
97 brandon marshall/stovall/ avant/ hagan if any fall. otherwise gaurds-joseph etc.

this is fun. too bad it prob wont happen. i would love to see that offence

Kookus
03-18-2006, 01:02 AM
If you could work this deal with Denver, then trade down to Oakland for their #7 and #1 next year? Then you would have #7, #22 & #29 and still have a number one next year...

#7 Vernon Davis
#22 justice/winston
#29 mangold

Nighthawk
03-18-2006, 02:59 AM
Broncos | Team shopping two first-round picks
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:23:37 -0800

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos are shopping their two first-round picks in the 2006 NFL Draft in exchange for early picks in the 2007 NFL Draft. The team does not have much cap space left after paying out several up-front signing bonuses.

Anyone have a clue about this? Sounds like BS rumor msg board cr*p to me. If it's real and we haven't taken it yet I want to know the reason why.

MorKnolle
03-18-2006, 01:33 PM
Anyone have a clue about this? Sounds like BS rumor msg board cr*p to me. If it's real and we haven't taken it yet I want to know the reason why.

Not sure, I don't think they mean they are trying to give both of the picks up for future picks, and they definitely wouldn't give both of them up for next year's 1st and 3rd as has been proposed (780 + 640 = 1420 pts. on the pick value chart, our future 1st and future 3rd is approximately worth 690 pts). We could probably trade next year's 1st and 3rd for one of their 1sts this year, but I don't really want to do that.

Bubbajwp
03-18-2006, 02:24 PM
I realy dont like the idea of trading away our first round pick next year. If we end up with a top ten pick next year and we traded it to the broncos everybody including me is going to go crazy during the offseason.

Dunta_23
03-18-2006, 03:02 PM
1. Reggie Bush
22. Justice/Winston
29. Nick Mangold/Chad Jackson
33. Jonathan Joseph/Leonard Pope
65. Safety that fell or MLB
66. BPA (DE or OL)
97. BPA (DE or OL)

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 03:38 PM
1. Reggie Bush
22. Justice/Winston
29. Nick Mangold/Chad Jackson
33. Jonathan Joseph/Leonard Pope
65. Safety that fell or MLB
66. BPA (DE or OL)
97. BPA (DE or OL)

I like the idea of yours. :redtowel:

newbiefan
03-18-2006, 03:40 PM
BPA = best pick available?

Mightymike
03-18-2006, 03:45 PM
BPA = best pick available?

no it's best player available

Dunta_23
03-18-2006, 03:49 PM
Best Player Available...something a lot of bad teams have a hard time picking because they are trying to fill needs...thats why good teams fill needs with mediocre free agents and select the best players available on draft day

real
03-18-2006, 05:21 PM
I'd Do it.

Kookus
03-18-2006, 05:35 PM
Not sure, I don't think they mean they are trying to give both of the picks up for future picks, and they definitely wouldn't give both of them up for next year's 1st and 3rd as has been proposed (780 + 640 = 1420 pts. on the pick value chart, our future 1st and future 3rd is approximately worth 690 pts). We could probably trade next year's 1st and 3rd for one of their 1sts this year, but I don't really want to do that.

The only way our 1st and 3rd next year would be worth only 690 points is if we won the superbowl, my guess is next year we finish in the top 16 of the draft with 1st (#16) = 1000 and 3rd (#33) = 190 or 1190 a lot closer, plus one of our 3rd (#66) this year? = 260 total = 1450 and we are there plus it helps them out with salary cap issues:

#1 Bush (or trade down for a #1 next year?)
#22 Cromartie/Youtaboy
#29 Pope/Lewis/Moss
#33 Mangold/Latui
#65 BPA? LB/DL/OL

MorKnolle
03-18-2006, 08:11 PM
The only way our 1st and 3rd next year would be worth only 690 points is if we won the superbowl, my guess is next year we finish in the top 16 of the draft with 1st (#16) = 1000 and 3rd (#33) = 190 or 1190 a lot closer, plus one of our 3rd (#66) this year? = 260 total = 1450 and we are there plus it helps them out with salary cap issues:

#1 Bush (or trade down for a #1 next year?)
#22 Cromartie/Youtaboy
#29 Pope/Lewis/Moss
#33 Mangold/Latui
#65 BPA? LB/DL/OL

Future picks are worth one round lower in this year's chart (i.e. our 2007 1st rounder is worth our 2006 2nd rounder, etc.) No way the Broncos give up two 1st round picks this year for a future 1st and future 3rd, even though their 1sts this year are fairly low for them, if anything they are looking to trade one of these picks off for a future 1st and future 3rd, so we could probably get #22 for our 2007 1st and 3rd. The only way I would do that is on draft day if someone like Eric Winston falls to #22 then we call the Broncos up and make that offer so we can snag Winston, but until we know we are guaranteed to get a certain player that is worth making this trade then I would not even consider it.

Kookus
03-18-2006, 08:27 PM
Future picks are worth one round lower in this year's chart (i.e. our 2007 1st rounder is worth our 2006 2nd rounder, etc.) No way the Broncos give up two 1st round picks this year for a future 1st and future 3rd, even though their 1sts this year are fairly low for them, if anything they are looking to trade one of these picks off for a future 1st and future 3rd, so we could probably get #22 for our 2007 1st and 3rd. The only way I would do that is on draft day if someone like Eric Winston falls to #22 then we call the Broncos up and make that offer so we can snag Winston, but until we know we are guaranteed to get a certain player that is worth making this trade then I would not even consider it.

Thats interesting, so to make it work we would have to up the ante, which I would still consider, especially if we could seriously consider trading down to get a pick next year as long as we don't fall out of the top 4-7 this year.

Looks like we are going after Putz pretty hard, so a WR could be a viable option in this senario or how bout offering the #29 pick for J. Abraham? Looks like the Jets are going for Seattles offer of #31. Don't know what our salary cap implications would be but the senario would sure fill some holes for us.

Bubbajwp
03-18-2006, 09:35 PM
One idea I like is if we do trade for 22 and 29 we could package those two picks to trade back into the top ten. It might be to hard on the cap but we could get somewhere around the eight pick.
pick 22 = 780, 29 = 680
http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

If we could got back into the top ten we could get somebody like Huff, AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis.

Bubbajwp
03-20-2006, 08:19 PM
Now that we have canceled the visit with burelson and Ike has resigned with the bucs I think this trade is becoming a better idea for the Texans. We could get a WR maybe Chad Jackson or Santonio Holms with the 22nd pick and oline with the 29th pick hopfully Winston or Mangold. We could then pick either a LB, CB, FS with our second round pick.

Would anybody be upset with this even though we probably wouldnt have a first or second round pick next year.

Mightymike
03-20-2006, 08:33 PM
Now that we have canceled the visit with burelson and Ike has resigned with the bucs I think this trade is becoming a better idea for the Texans. We could get a WR maybe Chad Jackson or Santonio Holms with the 22nd pick and oline with the 29th pick hopfully Winston or Mangold. We could then pick either a LB, CB, FS with our second round pick.

Would anybody be upset with this even though we probably wouldnt have a first or second round pick next year.

if our draft went bush,jackson,winston,ko simpson,gerris wilkerson, eslinger
in 1st 3 rounds dat would be off da chain

Kookus
03-20-2006, 10:35 PM
I still like this idea, How about this draft w/ trade to DENVER
(1) #1 Bush (HB)
(1b) #22 Moss (WR)
(1c) #29 Youtaboy (CB)
(2)#33 Mangold (C)
(3a) #65 Watkins (S)
(3b) #66 Cedric Griffin (CB))
or trade the two 3 round picks for a second round
(2b) #38 Allen or Simpson (S)
(4) #97 Chester (OG)
(5) #129 BPA (LB)
(6) #161 Eugene (QB) or McNeil (WR/QB)

YEAH BABY LETS WIN NOW!

Mightymike
03-20-2006, 10:38 PM
I still like this idea, How about this draft w/ trade to DENVER
(1) #1 Bush (HB)
(1b) #22 Moss (WR)
(1c) #29 Youtaboy (CB)
(2)#33 Mangold (C)
(3a) #65 Watkins (S)
(3b) #66 Cedric Griffin (CB))
or trade the two 3 round picks for a second round
(2b) #38 Allen or Simpson (S)
(4) #97 Chester (OG)
(5) #129 BPA (LB)
(6) #161 Eugene (QB) or McNeil (WR/QB)

YEAH BABY LETS WIN NOW!

we need a RT

Kookus
03-20-2006, 10:47 PM
we need a RT

O-Line
LT Pitts/Jones
LG McKinney/Chester
C Hodgdon/Mangold
RG Weary/Wiegart
RT Wand/Wade

Mightymike
03-20-2006, 10:50 PM
O-Line
LT Pitts/Jones
LG McKinney/Chester
C Hodgdon/Mangold
RG Weary/Wiegart
RT Wand/Wade

Wand/Wade........ GARBAGE
why draft a backup center when you can draft a starting RT
having a good RT will make more of an impact than the FS IMO.

AtheGreat
03-20-2006, 11:03 PM
O-Line
LT Pitts/Jones
LG McKinney/Chester
C Hodgdon/Mangold
RG Weary/Wiegart
RT Wand/Wade

thats not too bad of an idea. make our OL compete for their job. they slack up and let sacks happen, you give the job to the guy who wants to play more. we haven't really had any real competition amongst the OL in a while.

MorKnolle
03-21-2006, 12:07 AM
These all sound like nice ideas but the Broncos aren't about to give up the #22 and #29 for one future 1st and one future 3rd round picks. They would not even consider making this trade. They would likely give up one of these two picks for a future 1st and 3rd, but not both of them.

thunderkyss
03-21-2006, 11:27 PM
Denver's first round picks are now #15 & #22 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9327009) Doesn't really sound like the thing to do, if you don't want either.....

Think we can get #15 & Denvers 3rd & 4th for Reggie??

MorKnolle
03-22-2006, 12:10 AM
Denver's first round picks are now #15 & #22 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9327009) Doesn't really sound like the thing to do, if you don't want either.....

Think we can get #15 & Denvers 3rd & 4th for Reggie??

The Texans wouldn't make that trade in a million years.