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Maddict5
03-11-2006, 07:17 PM
now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33

Trap_Star
03-11-2006, 07:21 PM
now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33

Neiter will fall..........its D'BRICK all the way....:drool:

Maddict5
03-11-2006, 07:26 PM
you never know..they're are alot of varying mock out there. from 15 on its a toss up..lots of talented cbs,wrs,lbs and safeties some1 will have to fall

Napa Auto Parts
03-11-2006, 07:29 PM
now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33



good observation or hope it is pretty much a guarantee that we will get a talented Tackle in the draft with out wasting the 1st overall on one since it seems unlikely the texans will find a suitor. but here is what is going to happen texans Draft reggie Bush and with the 1st pick in the second round i guarantee their is going to be one of the four other tackles for us one of them is going to slide it might be Eric Winston, Winston Justice, Jonathan scott ,and last but not be forgotten marcus Mcneil we will get a solid OT.:twocents:

Trap_Star
03-11-2006, 07:30 PM
you never know..they're are alot of varying mock out there. from 15 on its a toss up..lots of talented cbs,wrs,lbs and safeties some1 will have to fall


Eric Winston pretty much is lock to be a first rounder with his performance at the combine.... Winston Justice is already considered a top 15 pick. If we take Bush, we might have a shot at E.Winston but we would have to trade back into the first........

Maddict5
03-11-2006, 07:45 PM
i still hope to get a trade but NO taking brees will screw that up. if that happens a trade-down is too dodgy imo unless its some1 like miami that takes it(ie.for leinart)

Trap_Star
03-11-2006, 07:49 PM
i still hope to get a trade but NO taking brees will screw that up. if that happens a trade-down is too dodgy imo unless its some1 like miami that takes it(ie.for leinart)

There is still a chance that we trade with the Titans...They want a QB...They tried getting Culpepper but failed...im convinced that they are targeting either Leinart or Bush.....

Maddict5
03-11-2006, 07:56 PM
^their GM said they weren't that interested in pep because they were 'satisfied' their qb roster. so they're probably after the same targets as us ..bush,dbrick,mario. lets say we trade down to 4 the first 3 picks barring no trades could very well be-bush,d'brick/mario, d'brick/mario/leinart-its too dodgy. at 4 we could be left with hawk or davis which isnt bad but not what we want

nunusguy
03-11-2006, 08:04 PM
One very important factor to consider about Weaver - he won't be a bust in the NFL. Probably won't go to the Pro Bowl anytime real soon, but won't be a bust either. Who knows about "Super Mario": might go to the HOF or might be a bust. So in the all important 4-3 strong side DE position, we've effectively eliminated the upside potential but also the downside risk with the Weaver acquisition. And we've also now rounded out our starters in the DLine: Weaver,TJ,R.Smith,Peek/Babin/someone else we might draft in April in rounds subsequent to the 1st.
And we don't need Ferguson like we did Williamson before our FA move, because gobs of OT in the Draft to pick from in the second round.
And I'm thinking we are much more flexible now with trading our top pick because we are free to trade much deeper into the mid or even latter part of the first round.

Maddict5
03-11-2006, 08:27 PM
One very important factor to consider about Weaver - he won't be a bust in the NFL. Probably won't go to the Pro Bowl anytime real soon, but won't be a bust either. Who knows about "Super Mario": might go to the HOF or might be a bust. So in the all important 4-3 strong side DE position, we've effectively eliminated the upside potential but also the downside risk with the Weaver acquisition. And we've also now rounded out our starters in the DLine: Weaver,TJ,R.Smith,Peek/Babin/someone else we might draft in April in rounds subsequent to the 1st.


mario more than likely wont be a bust but i see your point. im not as down on weaver or the contract as many others as he was the only SDE i would've wanted to go after in FA and we have to overpay(not that much i think but anyway). peek is probably gone so babin will be WDE. 1 of our major needs is filled so now we can concentrate on o-line, fs, mlb, te, cb#2, wr #2 in the draft.

mlb will be the hardest position to fill i think. who else is realistically possible to fill those needs durin FA

edo783
03-11-2006, 09:54 PM
mario more than likely wont be a bust but i see your point. im not as down on weaver or the contract as many others as he was the only SDE i would've wanted to go after in FA and we have to overpay(not that much i think but anyway). peek is probably gone so babin will be WDE. 1 of our major needs is filled so now we can concentrate on o-line, fs, mlb, te, cb#2, wr #2 in the draft.

mlb will be the hardest position to fill i think. who else is realistically possible to fill those needs durin FA

A couple of things. I highly doubt Peek is gone as anyone taking him gives up a 1st round pick.....would you? With Weaver's selection it seems relatively clear that the FO believes that a trade down is unlikely, so Mario is no longer in the picture (just can't sell him at #1) and they took the best YOUNG DE available. Our first is amost certain at this point to be Bush and I suspect the next will be the best tackle available.

Maddict5
03-12-2006, 11:32 AM
like i said in another thread- that 1st rounder is negotiable- if the team is only offered a 3rd rounder- and is happy with that- hes gone

infantrycak
03-12-2006, 11:37 AM
like i said in another thread- that 1st rounder is negotiable- if the team is only offered a 3rd rounder- and is happy with that- hes gone

Yes it is negotiable, but if they were happy with a 3rd they would have low tendered him and saved $800k in cap room.

Dunta_23
03-12-2006, 01:29 PM
It almost seems as though the Texans are content with Pitts at LT IMO...leaving the door open for Reggie or Mario...just because we signed a strong side DE, doesnt mean we cant bring in a freak at DE....he is almost as quick as the small pass rush specialist DE's and is almost 300 lbs

With Weaver TJ Robaire and Mario as the front 4...I think teams will have a hard time running and keeping the QB on his feet

BuffSoldier
03-12-2006, 01:32 PM
Lets go get that big Brick. I want him, the Texans want him, so whats the problem.

YoungTexanFan
03-12-2006, 01:33 PM
Lets go get that big Brick. I want him, the Texans want him, so whats the problem.

I'm with you still.

But I'll be honest, Mario was starting to look REALLY good.

D'brick at #1!!!

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 02:46 PM
I'm with you still.

But I'll be honest, Mario was starting to look REALLY good.

D'brick at #1!!!

D'Brick won't happen at #1, and I doubt they look to trade down and get him. Like Dunta said and I've been saying for a while, the Texans seem satisfied with Pitts at LT and have been high on Bush all along, so #1 is going to be Bush unless they decide to grab Mario to play RDE for us and then we're somewhat stuck with what to do with Peek, so I think it's Bush. They could look for a RT at #33 (Daryn Colledge would fit pretty well although I don't think he's a great value at #33), or we could definitely go defense at #33 since we're going offense at #1 (Johnathan Joseph would be a good pick at #33 if he falls to that spot).

BuffSoldier
03-12-2006, 05:46 PM
D'Brick won't happen at #1, and I doubt they look to trade down and get him. Like Dunta said and I've been saying for a while, the Texans seem satisfied with Pitts at LT and have been high on Bush all along, so #1 is going to be Bush unless they decide to grab Mario to play RDE for us and then we're somewhat stuck with what to do with Peek, so I think it's Bush. They could look for a RT at #33 (Daryn Colledge would fit pretty well although I don't think he's a great value at #33), or we could definitely go defense at #33 since we're going offense at #1 (Johnathan Joseph would be a good pick at #33 if he falls to that spot).
Every team has been satified with Bush, you wont find a draft board that doesnt have him as the #1 rated player, but there are a lot of draft boards that have D'Brick as a close second. Ferguson may not happen at #1 but he is still a huge possibility for the Texans who are in dire need of a franchise LT, no matter how satisfied they seem to be with Pitts.

Wild.Bill
03-12-2006, 05:56 PM
It doesn't matter. I think that the Texans are set with Chester Pitts at Left Tackle, and rightfully so. If we are to draft, or FA signing, other offensive lineman, it won't be for left tackle. Mangold, Scott, Winston, or whoever else would be great additiions to our line, but they won't get the left tackle pisition.

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 06:23 PM
Every team has been satified with Bush, you wont find a draft board that doesnt have him as the #1 rated player, but there are a lot of draft boards that have D'Brick as a close second. Ferguson may not happen at #1 but he is still a huge possibility for the Texans who are in dire need of a franchise LT, no matter how satisfied they seem to be with Pitts.

I don't think Ferguson is rated the #2 overall player on anyone's draft board. Mario Williams is a pretty clear #2 for most teams and maybe even a #1 on some. We have our franchise LT in Chester Pitts and we're paying him a OG's salary rather than a LT's salary, and the team from all appearances is satisfied with him as their LT, so D'Brick is basically out of the picture. Ever since the Combine I think the decision was basically Reggie Bush vs. Mario Williams, and with Weaver's signing it looks like Mario is a definite long shot now and it's all Bush at #1. The Texans could very well look for a RT in free agency or in the first day of the draft, but they won't be looking at D'Brick.

Porky
03-12-2006, 07:28 PM
If the Texans take Ferguson over Bush at the #1 spot, I will eat my shorts in front of City Hall on live TV. There is ZERO % chance we take Ferguson over Bush, at #1. Yes, I said ZERO and meant it.

Texans>Colts
03-12-2006, 07:30 PM
I say trade down to the Jets and pick D'Brick with the 4th overall pick

big homey
03-12-2006, 08:06 PM
It looks like we're stuck with Bush at #1. The staff seems to like Pitts at LT and McKinney at LG, so no D'Brick. Our SDE spot is covered by Anthony Weaver, so no Mario. With Brees and Culpepper hurting Leinart's stock, our trade down options are slimming. What choice do we have?

stevo3883
03-12-2006, 08:09 PM
It looks like we're suck with Bush at #1. The staff seems to like Pitts at LT and McKinney at LG, so no D'Brick. Our SDE spot is covered by Anthony Weaver, so no Mario. With Brees and Culpepper hurting Leinart's stock, our trade down options are slimming. What choice do we have?

we're "stuck" with bush?

He's the highest rated prospect in years, jeeze...

tulexan
03-12-2006, 08:12 PM
yeah i can't believe that we are stuck with one of the best running back prospects since barry sanders.

we have the worst luck.

bad
03-12-2006, 08:33 PM
It looks like we're suck with Bush at #1. WHAT OTHERS SAY:

Washington State head coach Bill Doba:
"If you've got a linebacker covering him, you might as well start singing their fight song."

USC Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Matt Leinart:
"Every time Reggie touches the ball, anything can happen...He's an awesome weapon...A lot of people think he's an outside runner, but he's tough. He can run in between the tackles...When he first came to USC, he was running all over our first defense in fall camp, cutting back, reversing his field. We knew he was special. Anytime he has the ball, something big could happen. It's unbelievable what he can do."


Former USC All-American defensive end Kenechi Udeze:
"He's fun to watch. I remember his first day of practice, he must have run a circle around the whole defense and sprinted for a touchdown. Then to see it happen in the games was really funny."


Former USC All-American wide receiver Mike Williams:
"Reggie's the ultimate weapon."

Former USC center Norm Katnik:
"He's a special guy. He can shake people like no other. I almost tackled him two times myself. He has the ability to make people miss." USC athletic director and 1965 Heisman Trophy-winning tailback Mike Garrett: "He's going to be one of the best ever. He looks like another Gale Sayers."

USC head coach Pete Carroll:
"I told him, 'You're the most valuable guy on the field for what you're creating by your presence.'...The overriding element of his game is he's just got such fantastic hands. You can look at the speed and all the rest, but few guys catch the ball so well. I'm talking about anybody, not just running backs."

Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com:
"He releases adrenaline in every bloodstream the minute he touches the ball."

Gene Wojciechowski, ESPN.com:
"He's a human highlight tape."

Steve Bisheff, Orange County Register:
"Bush is definitely the most exciting player in college football. Bush with the football in an open space is like Barry Bonds at the plate with the bases loaded. Immediately, your senses heighten. Your pulse races. Your eyes refuse to look anywhere else...No one in college football has anyone like him. No one else is even close...The Trojans' flashy hummingbird of an all-purpose player is an amalgam of all the great USC backs through the years."

Steve Kelley, Seattle Times:
"Bush is one-of-a-kind. So good, so versatile, USC's coaching staff is just beginning to see all the ways he can be used. When he touches the ball, defensive coordinators hold their breath. Every play called for him can be a game-breaker. Every touch can be something you'll never forget...Bush zig-zags through defenses as if he has a sixth sense for the location of the next sliver of daylight. He cuts as sharply as a Ferrari in a chicane. He shimmies like a dancer in a music video. A football field is 53 yards wide, and there are plays where Reggie Bush seems to use every inch from sideline to sideline...'The President' is carving exquisite, artful-dodger runs through desperately grasping and gasping defenses. Re-awakening the echoes of all the great Trojan tailbacks who preceded him. Hail to the Chief."

Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline.com:
"They call him "The President." They might soon be calling him The King...He is that rare back with the speed and strength to run through the line and the ability to make defenders miss in space when he goes out for a pass...He is a symbol for what USC was, is and will be."

Randy Youngman, Orange County Register:
"Even if he got to carry or catch the ball on every down, I would never get tired of watching Reggie Bush, USC's electrifying running back. Bush has so many open-field moves, he's more elusive than 'The Fugitive.' Now you see him, now you don't...touchdown, Trojans!"

Arash Markazi, Daily Trojan:
"Reggie Bush looks like a creation from a video game-an almost unreal character created by a kid who finds all the secret codes to make his player faster, quicker and better than everyone else on the field...He always makes the impossible seem possible. The scary thing for USC's opponents is that this creation isn't imaginary. He's not from a video game. He's a living, breathing human joystick who terrorizes defenses with his blinding speed and ankle-breaking shimmies...His speed borders on blinding and his knack for eluding defenders borders on ridiculous."

Former Washington head coach Keith Gilbertson:
"I don't care what formation they're in, you better know where No. 5 is, OK? End of story."

Virginia Teach head coach Frank Beamer:
"If he could throw, he'd be Michael Vick." California head coach Jeff Tedford: "If he's not the best player in the country, he's one of the top, no question...He is so talented than any one-on-one situation, he's going to win. You have to pay attention to where he is."

Former Oregon State quarterback Derek Anderson:
"The kid is unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it, in the NFL or wherever."

Former Stanford head coach Buddy Teevens:
"You can't really stop Bush, to be perfectly honest. He's in a class by himself."

Former BYU head coach Gary Crowton:
"He's as good as any receiver on their team, and the next moment, he's running with power, makes one guy miss and he's so fast he can go the distance. He just has the ability to create lots of matchup problems without them changing personnel groups. That's a real luxury they have. It kind of reminds me of Marshall Faulk."

Colorado State head coach Sonny Lubick:
"The thing that makes him so darned good is he's such a confident young guy and he's never out of the play, no matter how bleak it looks, no matter how much you have him surrounded."

Kirk Herbstreit, ESPN:
"The most explosive player in college football is Reggie Bush. The best player in the country wears No. 5 for USC. If you get a chance, check him out. Reggie Bush...He's the most electrifying player in college football. Every time he touches the ball, he can score."

Bud Withers, Seattle Times:
"There is little doubt that Bush is the most dynamic player in the nation. He may not win the Heisman Trophy, but voters ought to think long and hard if defenders' broken ankles, Bush's gasp-inducing cuts and spinning, serpentine dashes matter."

Ted Miller, ESPN.com:
"Bush is Shakespeare. He's gifted with speedy brilliance and flourish. Bush is 200 pounds of sound and fury signifying touchdown. He doth rise from the ground like feathered Mercury striding the heavens...He resembles the elusive Gale Sayers or the versatile Marshall Faulk."

David Leon Moore, USA Today:
"Bush is basically a sworn enemy of a straight line. He's all switchbacks and zigzags, spin moves and ankle-breaking shimmies. Some people even think he is already the most entertaining, and maybe best, college football player in the country...He is a quiet sort, polite, humble, good grades, solid citizen...On a football field, he gets around like nobody else. Here, there, this sideline, that end zone, he's running, receiving, returning, making plays, scoring touchdowns, winning games...He runs with a can't-take-your-eyes-off-him style that seems part Marshall Faulk, part Barry Sanders, part Gale Sayers."

Nick Canepa, San Diego Union-Tribune:
"Bush, who runs like a witch flies, has developed into the most dangerous player in the country."

Jeff Miller, Orange County Register:
"What defenders see are hips and elbows and ankles and forearms and shoe bottoms, all of it twisting and spinning until what remains is a trail of vapor and shadows and empty-armed opponents...USC uses him to create Maalox matchups for the opposition. When Bush is positioned anywhere but the backfield, 10 defenders can be seen pointing and waving, motioning as to his whereabouts."

USC tailback LenDale White:
"He's smooth. He's got mad, crazy speed...If Reggie's not the best there is, he's one of the best. He opens this offense up so much just by being there." Former USC All-American defensive lineman Shaun Cody: "Practicing against him was great training for us. You want to improve your quickness, try chasing a rabbit around."

Former USC tight end Alex Holmes:
"When he's in, you heard linebackers screaming every time. They were all shouting about 'No. 5.' Reggie is a guy who literally changes the game just by being out there."

Former USC All-American linebacker Lofa Tatupu:
"We just sat back on Saturday and watched the show...Not to take credit away from the offensive line because they've done a great job, but Reggie sets up his blocks so well that they can miss their man completely and he still gets through...I've even told guys on the other team, 'Don't feel bad. He got me with that play twice this week in practice, too.'"

Former USC cornerback Kevin Arbet:
"He's the best player I've ever played with or against. When he's running an option route against you, you just have to guess. It's impossible."

Patrick Kinmartin, Daily Trojan:
"His combination of track-sprinter speed and music-video shiftiness makes him a one-man show."

Dan Weber, Riverside Press-Telegram:
"Bush awes his teammates daily with his ability to get to full speed on his second step."

Todd Harmonson, Orange County Register:
"Bush is a highlight-show fixture with physiology-defying, did-he-do-that moves. The easy comparison is to Marshall Faulk because of the similarity in all-around games, but those who saw Gale Sayers recognize the speed, spins and spellbinding cuts...He is a speed demon who sees Christmas morning when a linebacker tries to defend him and a winnable challenge when a quick corner draws the assignment...Off the field, Bush is a quiet leader who is on track to graduate in 3 years."

Phil Collin, South Bay Daily Breeze:
"Around USC now, they're simply wondering what Reggie will come up with next. The thing is, they know it's coming. Opponents do too...As brilliant as he can be on the football field, Bush is simply that humble off of it. He smiles sheepishly at the mention of his nickname, 'The President.'"

Gary Klein, Los Angeles Times:
"Keith Gilbertson half-jokingly labeled the situation unfair. Bill Doba called the potential problems monstrous. Mike Riley found only one word to describe it-horrible. That's what these Pac-10 coaches said when asked to assess difficulties created for defenses when Reggie Bush lines up as a receiver."

Michael Ventre, MSNBC.com:
"Bush is young and multi-talented. He's a running back. He's a receiver. He's a kick returner. He's a punt returner. He's even a passer. If you try to pigeonhole him, you'd better have lots of pigeonholes...Bush can stop on a dime, give you nine cents change, then blow past you before you can bend to pick it up...When it comes to pure, all-around, pound-for-pound value from a college football player, it's hard to beat what Bush brings to the table...He's a genuine once-in-a-generation player...And he's a good kid-smart, down to earth, respectful of others yet supremely confident...He has turned a run-of-the-mill punt return into an event. He causes teams to kick away from him on kickoffs. When he comes into the game, defenders cast desperate looks at their sideline for advice."

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Oh, the HORROR of it all...

big homey
03-12-2006, 09:45 PM
we're "stuck" with bush?

He's the highest rated prospect in years, jeeze...
Y'all took that WAY out of context. What I meant is that our options are shrinking, and it looks more and more certain that we're getting Bush. I don't mind - he is an elite prospect, but I just want us to really go for an elite lineman.

BuffSoldier
03-12-2006, 09:52 PM
I don't think Ferguson is rated the #2 overall player on anyone's draft board. Mario Williams is a pretty clear #2 for most teams and maybe even a #1 on some. We have our franchise LT in Chester Pitts and we're paying him a OG's salary rather than a LT's salary, and the team from all appearances is satisfied with him as their LT, so D'Brick is basically out of the picture. Ever since the Combine I think the decision was basically Reggie Bush vs. Mario Williams, and with Weaver's signing it looks like Mario is a definite long shot now and it's all Bush at #1. The Texans could very well look for a RT in free agency or in the first day of the draft, but they won't be looking at D'Brick.

Scouts Inc top 100:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/index


Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Mario Williams

etc...

Mario Williams #5


NFL DraftCountdown.com:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html


Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Matt Leinart
Mario Williams

etc...

Mario Williams #4


NFLDraftShowcase.com: http://www.draftshowcase.com/top10006.htm

Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
AJ Hawk
Mario Williams

etc...

Mario Williams #4

OTC.com: http://2006.ontheclockdraft.com/group_list.php?method=top100


Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Mario Williams

etc...

#3 Mario Williams

http://www.nflanswers.com/


There are tuns more, and I doubt that you could find many boards that have Williams rated over Ferguson. One is Mel Kiper, but other than that I havent found any. So do some research before you speak on something like that.



Thats because he was drafted as an OG(http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2002#round2 Chwck the site, he was an OG) and will NEVER be a franchise LT, and to call him that questions your intelligence about what the word frachise player is. I guess you could call every average player in the league a franchise player. Why draft Reggie. I think DD is a better RB than Pitts is a LT so doesnt that make DD a franchise RB. Yeah and we just signed a franchise DE in FA, so now we have a Franchise RB, LT, QB, WR, CB, DE,and DT yessssss. Superbowl here we come.:brickwall


Thank you Mr. Casserly, I bet you really know their draft board.

Runner
03-12-2006, 09:52 PM
The staff seems to like Pitts at LT and McKinney at LG...

Can somebody point me to where the staff said this? I keep seeing it on the board but can't find out:

a) what exactly was said
b) who on the staff said it

Blake
03-12-2006, 10:12 PM
Bush should be selected #1 overall by the Texans. But the only player I think might get called instead, is Young. The last option is to trade down and take Brick.

1. Bush.
2. Young.
3. Trade. Brick

If anything other than this happens, we made the wrong move imo.

Mario is a fine player, and will be a good pick by whomever takes him. But he, unlike Brick, is not worth trading down for. Besides, with Bush and Young at the top, why are we even talking about trading down?

It would cost a team way to much for me to trade out of getting either Bush or Young. Im talkin, this years first rounder, this years 2nd rounder, and next years first rounder. And thats if their in the top 5.

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 10:20 PM
Scouts Inc top 100:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/index


Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Mario Williams

etc...

Mario Williams #5


NFL DraftCountdown.com:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html


Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Matt Leinart
Mario Williams

etc...

Mario Williams #4


NFLDraftShowcase.com: http://www.draftshowcase.com/top10006.htm

Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
AJ Hawk
Mario Williams

etc...

Mario Williams #4

OTC.com: http://2006.ontheclockdraft.com/group_list.php?method=top100


Reggie Bush
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Mario Williams

etc...

#3 Mario Williams

http://www.nflanswers.com/


There are tuns more, and I doubt that you could find many boards that have Williams rated over Ferguson. One is Mel Kiper, but other than that I havent found any. So do some research before you speak on something like that.



Thats because he was drafted as an OG(http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2002#round2 Chwck the site, he was an OG) and will NEVER be a franchise LT, and to call him that questions your intelligence about what the word frachise player is. I guess you could call every average player in the league a franchise player. Why draft Reggie. I think DD is a better RB than Pitts is a LT so doesnt that make DD a franchise RB. Yeah and we just signed a franchise DE in FA, so now we have a Franchise RB, LT, QB, WR, CB, DE,and DT yessssss. Superbowl here we come.:brickwall


Thank you Mr. Casserly, I bet you really know their draft board.

Way to pick out four sites that support your opinion. Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT, and they have never really mentioned drafting Ferguson in the last couple months. I didn't say Pitts was a great franchise LT, but they consider him their long-term solution at LT, hence I called him the franchise LT because they plan for him to be the man, in the same way David Carr is their franchise QB. Pitts was a OT in college and has played OT for half of his pro career, they initially thought he might be an OG because he was relatively small for an OT, but obviously he has played well enough to change their minds.

As for Mario Williams, if you read most articles from the Combine or many draft analysts from after the combine they'll say Mario is the second if not the best player in this draft, and if you actually talk to people in the league then you'll find many more people that favor Mario over Ferguson than the other way around.

As for the draft board, I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of it than you do, and I can guarantee we won't be drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Vince Young for that matter.

whiskeyrbl
03-12-2006, 10:20 PM
now that we've got weaver and passed on schaffer-the only serviceable LT(that isnt 30+), i presume that rules mario out of our plans and makes it a straight choice between reggie and D'brick. i think we'll take reggie and hope winston or justice falll to #33

Considering that the Bowns signed Schaffer for a 7 year deal worth more than $5mil a year,and Hutchinson is getting $6Mil a year,i'll be happy to get a OL in the draft.I think we can get a solid OL at #33.:ok:

Runner
03-12-2006, 10:23 PM
Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT ... they consider him their long-term solution at LT

Have you got a link for that, did you hear it on the radio, or where did they say it?

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 10:24 PM
Considering that the Bowns signed Schaffer for a 7 year deal worth more than $5mil a year,and Hutchinson is getting $6Mil a year,i'll be happy to get a OL in the draft.I think we can get a solid OL at #33.:ok:

True, the top OLinemen in this free agent market got paid and it goes to show the value of having great OLinemen. Hutchinson is supposed to be getting $7 million a year ($49M for 7 years) which is way more than I'd pay for him, same with LeCharles Bentley. I would have like to see us be more active with targeting one top player on each side of the ball, but it appears we're continuing with our past trend of targeting mid-level players and paying them top 15-20 money at their position.

Have you got a link for that, did you hear it on the radio, or where did they say it?

Mainly on the radio, it was a frequent topic towards the end of the regular season before Vince Young took over the local airwaves, and they haven't mentioned Ferguson in a long time, lately it's mainly been Bush, some on Mario, and an occasional comment on Vince.

Runner
03-12-2006, 10:36 PM
Mainly on the radio, it was a frequent topic towards the end of the regular season before Vince Young took over the local airwaves, and they haven't mentioned Ferguson in a long time, lately it's mainly been Bush, some on Mario, and an occasional comment on Vince.


So it was the radio announcers and callers rather than Casserly, Kubiak, or Sherman?

Huge1
03-12-2006, 10:41 PM
Way to pick out four sites that support your opinion. Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT, and they have never really mentioned drafting Ferguson in the last couple months. I didn't say Pitts was a great franchise LT, but they consider him their long-term solution at LT, hence I called him the franchise LT because they plan for him to be the man, in the same way David Carr is their franchise QB. Pitts was a OT in college and has played OT for half of his pro career, they initially thought he might be an OG because he was relatively small for an OT, but obviously he has played well enough to change their minds.

As for Mario Williams, if you read most articles from the Combine or many draft analysts from after the combine they'll say Mario is the second if not the best player in this draft, and if you actually talk to people in the league then you'll find many more people that favor Mario over Ferguson than the other way around.

As for the draft board, I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of it than you do, and I can guarantee we won't be drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Vince Young for that matter.

Ditto. After watching the combine and seeing the "freak" Mario at work, there is no way in hell that D'brick can be rated higher. This guy is the real deal. I use to be in the Reggie camp but I would not be upset whatsoever if we selected this guy.......trading down or AT #1.

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 11:00 PM
So it was the radio announcers and callers rather than Casserly, Kubiak, or Sherman?

No, Casserly on several interviews on the radio.

Runner
03-12-2006, 11:08 PM
No, Casserly on several interviews on the radio.


OK, thanks. Since you said that was mostly before the end of the season in your previous post, I'm going to assume Kubiak and Sherman didn't weigh in on the subject then. I really don't believe they've released a depth chart yet.

By the way, I wasn't just questioning you on this subject. I've seen it all over and I've started to challenge it because I don't think it's true, even if it has reached urban legend proportions. You're just the only one that has responded at all.

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 11:11 PM
OK, thanks. Since you said that was mostly before the end of the season in your previous post, I'm going to assume Kubiak and Sherman didn't weigh in on the subject then. I really don't beleive they've released a depth chart yet.

By the way, I wasn't just questioning you on this subject. I've seen it all over and I've started to challenge it because I don't think it's true, even if it has reached urban legend proportions. You're just the only one that has responded at all.

Quite understandable, I wish I had a more concrete link for it because I also generally prefer to see some deeper credibility on such issues.

BuffSoldier
03-13-2006, 09:27 AM
Way to pick out four sites that support your opinion. Casserly has said before that they think Pitts is their LT, Kubiak and Sherman both like Pitts at LT, and they have never really mentioned drafting Ferguson in the last couple months. I didn't say Pitts was a great franchise LT, but they consider him their long-term solution at LT, hence I called him the franchise LT because they plan for him to be the man, in the same way David Carr is their franchise QB. Pitts was a OT in college and has played OT for half of his pro career, they initially thought he might be an OG because he was relatively small for an OT, but obviously he has played well enough to change their minds.

As for Mario Williams, if you read most articles from the Combine or many draft analysts from after the combine they'll say Mario is the second if not the best player in this draft, and if you actually talk to people in the league then you'll find many more people that favor Mario over Ferguson than the other way around.
As for the draft board, I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of it than you do, and I can guarantee we won't be drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson, or Vince Young for that matter.

No one has asked them about Ferguson, all they have talked about is Vince and Reggie, and trading down. They didnt say who they would tradedown for, what NFL GM tells everyone who he is going to move up/down for, that would be stupid. They hadnt said anything about Mario Williams either, but we all thought that he was an option. So what does them talking about him have to say bout anything. Plus GMs and coaches love to blow smoke, thats what they do this time of year, so them not talking about Ferguson may actaully be an indicator that they are really interested in him. AND EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT PITTS INST A FRANCHISE LT, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. HE IS SERVICABLE, BUT NOT IN ANY WAY AN TOP NFL CALIBER TACKLE.


Show me the articles that say that Mario Williams is over Ferguson. You may have 1 or 2 but really show were this has become the unanimouse NFL decision that Williams is the better player.

I am 100% sure that you have never seen the draft board and that your GUESS is no better than mine. And your guarentee is pointless to me, because... who are you to say that any way.

HeadlyLemar
03-13-2006, 10:10 AM
I say trade down to the Jets and pick D'Brick with the 4th overall pick
Why can't the Texans trade DOWN with NY Jets.....with John Abraham thrown in the mix.....THEN select Ferguson?

Trenches
03-13-2006, 10:26 AM
Why can't the Texans trade DOWN with NY Jets.....with John Abraham thrown in the mix.....THEN select Ferguson?


that was my initial thought as well and would upgrade BOTH lines. but the Jets want a 1st rounder for Abraham and going up to #1 probably isnt enough. I'm sure they talked about it and I would find it hard to believe (even for our group of clowns) that we would have walked away from that deal.

Coach C.
03-13-2006, 10:43 AM
wow, i just wish that i could send a picture and post it on this message board to make all the naysayers just feel dumb about some of their post. But we cant and we wont. Ferguson is a hell of a player and on almost every website or media draft board he rated higher than Mario Williams.

Talking to several scouts and player personnel guys after the combine they feel that Mario is the better prospect now. That may change as soon as Virginia holds its pro day though.

BuffSoldier
03-13-2006, 11:22 AM
that was my initial thought as well and would upgrade BOTH lines. but the Jets want a 1st rounder for Abraham and going up to #1 probably isnt enough. I'm sure they talked about it and I would find it hard to believe (even for our group of clowns) that we would have walked away from that deal.

It still may happen, because if they did want to trade up, then they would have to give up a first rounder next year, so it would be kinda like they were getting a first rounder by keeping the one they will have next year, but I dont think that they will go for that, especially if they sign ramsey, if the dont sign him, then I think that we still have a chance.

wow, i just wish that i could send a picture and post it on this message board to make all the naysayers just feel dumb about some of their post. But we cant and we wont. Ferguson is a hell of a player and on almost every website or media draft board he rated higher than Mario Williams.
Talking to several scouts and player personnel guys after the combine they feel that Mario is the better prospect now. That may change as soon as Virginia holds its pro day though.

Exactly :ok:

Trenches
03-13-2006, 11:30 AM
It still may happen, because if they did want to trade up, then they would have to give up a first rounder next year, so it would be kinda like they were getting a first rounder by keeping the one they will have next year, but I dont think that they will go for that, especially if they sign ramsey, if the dont sign him, then I think that we still have a chance.
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I always thought that Bush would be a great fit for them. If they sign Ramsey then why not still move up and get the RB they need?

Trapped
03-13-2006, 11:33 AM
If we don't get Givens, i think we should get Bush. He will be our 2nd WR along with being our rb. Getting around 17-20 carries a game Davis gets around 10-12 a game, while playing WR on passing downs.

Only question is, we have to see how polished he is or can be as a WR. I think the coaching staff will look into that greatly.

Then we (hopefully) draft a Eric WInston, or the best LIneman available at the 33.

Probably LB and CB for the 65th, and 66th picks.. Then the rest is just BPA.

edo783
03-13-2006, 11:39 AM
In the grand scheme of things, if there is a franchise level LT and a franchise level DE, the LT typically will have a higher over all value, hence DBrick is typically rated ahead of Mario. Which team is picking at what time will dictate what the value of each is at that moment and that will be who they will pick to best benifit their respective team. Doesn't mean one is better nessicarily better than the other, just worth more to that team at that moment.

Trapped
03-13-2006, 11:49 AM
Bush is so dynamic, he's like marshall faulk pt.2. With having Domanik Davis, we can still run playaction with Bush as a number 2 wr. And insert Jabar Gaffney as the number 2 WR when Bush is carrying the ball. Or have Bush at the 2 wr and let Davis run the ball, because Bush and Johnson out there will cause alot of attention allowing Davis to get better yards per carry.

Getting Putzier is very important though, i think he's the guy we need most now in FA and will be ok.

People will be, how about the oline? I think Kubes is a guy who has so much intelligence in blocking schemes that if u give him 5 bodies he will make it work. Blocking is alot about scheming, and calling out the right blocking schemes at the right time. Our scheme was horrible last year, many times pass rushers would come in free and unblocked. We will improve the oline with whoever who comes in with the 33rd pick, EIther Mangold or Winston(Hopefully)

Runner
03-13-2006, 11:52 AM
In the grand scheme of things, if there is a franchise level LT and a franchise level DE, the LT typically will have a higher over all value, hence DBrick is typically rated ahead of Mario. Which team is picking at what time will dictate what the value of each is at that moment and that will be who they will pick to best benifit their respective team. Doesn't mean one is better nessicarily better than the other, just worth more to that team at that moment.

This assumes that they are both expected to reach "franchise" status. If franchise LTs have a higher value the franchise DEs, it is because it is harder to be one.

In this case, I think it is more likely that Williams becomes a franchise DE than it is for Ferguson to be a franchise LT.

Maddict5
03-13-2006, 12:06 PM
the reason people here rate mario higher(which i understand) is that he is head and shoulders above the other de's. dbrick is also the best lt but there isnt as much of a gap- many feel we may get winston or another at 33. whar de can we get there? anyway this is irrelevant as we've signed weaver. to be honest now that ive thought about- unless somebody sells the farm- we're taking reggie

Eyeguy
03-13-2006, 01:08 PM
If we don't get Givens, i think we should get Bush. He will be our 2nd WR along with being our rb. Getting around 17-20 carries a game Davis gets around 10-12 a game, while playing WR on passing downs.

Only question is, we have to see how polished he is or can be as a WR. I think the coaching staff will look into that greatly.

Then we (hopefully) draft a Eric WInston, or the best LIneman available at the 33.

Probably LB and CB for the 65th, and 66th picks.. Then the rest is just BPA.

Ditto. Think about having Bush, DD, AJ, Mathis and Putzier on the field at the same time. If you can get some time to throw we will be hard to stop.

Mathis deep out
AJ crossing slant
Bush on a flair
Putzier up the middle
DD through middle for screen

This is not an actual play but rather the types of routes each can exploit.

run-david-run
03-13-2006, 01:11 PM
So, Pitts, McKinney, Hodgson/FA, Weigert, Wade? I still dont feel that great about that lineup. I would like to get a Center in FA and draft Davin Joseph in the 2nd round. But it is looking more and more like its Reggie with the 1st overall.

BuffSoldier
03-13-2006, 06:35 PM
So, Pitts, McKinney, Hodgson/FA, Weigert, Wade? I still dont feel that great about that lineup. I would like to get a Center in FA and draft Davin Joseph in the 2nd round. But it is looking more and more like its Reggie with the 1st overall.

I am not at all satisfied with this offensive line. Wade is not suited for a zone blocking scheme IMO. Plus McKinney is coming up on his 31st b-day, Wade on his 30th, and Weiger on his 34th. Its not promising when your best O-lineman is in his mid 30s.

Wild.Bill
03-13-2006, 07:00 PM
Most linemen play into their later 30's. I'm not satisfied with our current lineup either, however I would be happy with the following:
LT - Pitts
LG - McKinney
C - Flanagan
RG - Weiger
RT - Johnathon Scott

CITY CAT
03-13-2006, 09:10 PM
Have we signed Flanagan officialy?

MorKnolle
03-13-2006, 10:55 PM
No one has asked them about Ferguson, all they have talked about is Vince and Reggie, and trading down. They didnt say who they would tradedown for, what NFL GM tells everyone who he is going to move up/down for, that would be stupid. They hadnt said anything about Mario Williams either, but we all thought that he was an option. So what does them talking about him have to say bout anything. Plus GMs and coaches love to blow smoke, thats what they do this time of year, so them not talking about Ferguson may actaully be an indicator that they are really interested in him. AND EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT PITTS INST A FRANCHISE LT, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. HE IS SERVICABLE, BUT NOT IN ANY WAY AN TOP NFL CALIBER TACKLE.


Show me the articles that say that Mario Williams is over Ferguson. You may have 1 or 2 but really show were this has become the unanimouse NFL decision that Williams is the better player.

I am 100% sure that you have never seen the draft board and that your GUESS is no better than mine. And your guarentee is pointless to me, because... who are you to say that any way.

Well you can continue to believe whatever pipe dreams you want and I will continue to believe what I know. I would almost be willing to put money down that the Texans won't draft Vince or D'Brick, but my conscience would have a problem with me taking someone's money like that.

the reason people here rate mario higher(which i understand) is that he is head and shoulders above the other de's. dbrick is also the best lt but there isnt as much of a gap- many feel we may get winston or another at 33. whar de can we get there? anyway this is irrelevant as we've signed weaver. to be honest now that ive thought about- unless somebody sells the farm- we're taking reggie

Good to see someone people are getting it.

So, Pitts, McKinney, Hodgson/FA, Weigert, Wade? I still dont feel that great about that lineup. I would like to get a Center in FA and draft Davin Joseph in the 2nd round. But it is looking more and more like its Reggie with the 1st overall.

I doubt Wade sticks around after June 1. He isn't overly good and doesn't fit a zone blocking scheme very well at all. I think that is the one position they will look to upgrade, either draft a RT or draft a RG and move Wiegert back to RT, or maybe even draft a RT in the 2nd round (Colledge is probably the best fit that is likely to be there) and a OG in the later rounds to replace Wiegert in a year or beat Wiegert out so they can maybe cut him and save another $2.8 million against the cap (Chris Chester from Oklahoma would be a great OG/C in a zone blocking scheme and should be available at #97).

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 09:23 PM
i still hope to get a trade but NO taking brees will screw that up. if that happens a trade-down is too dodgy imo unless its some1 like miami that takes it(ie.for leinart)


Why wouldn't anyone want to trade for Reggie?

HJam72
03-24-2006, 09:26 PM
Oh, I bet someone will still make an offer for #1. It just takes time.

Maddict5
03-25-2006, 05:19 AM
Why wouldn't anyone want to trade for Reggie?

they could eg the jets but then its dangerous- what if reggie,d'brick,mario are the 1st 3 taken- the 3 elite players we wanted are gone- while hawk or huff are good players they arent what we are looking for