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ReggieTheRealDeal
03-11-2006, 05:20 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_507692_116&prov=citadel&type=story

Houston has released 20 players into free agency at this time, including names such as RB Jonathan Wells , OLB Antwan Peek , and WR Jabar Gaffney .

texan279
03-11-2006, 05:22 PM
Doesn't that just mean they are UFA's?

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:23 PM
Peek? Holy ****.

Kaiser Toro
03-11-2006, 05:24 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_507692_116&prov=citadel&type=story

Houston has released 20 players into free agency at this time, including names such as RB Jonathan Wells , OLB Antwan Peek , and WR Jabar Gaffney .

This is definetly going to be Kubiak's team next year.

tulexan
03-11-2006, 05:24 PM
i think so. plus we already have signed weaver and this doesn't say that we are cutting walker.

typical yahoo article.

ReggieTheRealDeal
03-11-2006, 05:24 PM
Oh I dont know by them saying released I thought they released them

the wonger need food
03-11-2006, 05:24 PM
Isn't Peek restricted? He only has 3 years...

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 05:25 PM
Peek? Holy ****.

He is a restricted FA.

I will post the links from NFL.com before this gets out of hand.

texansfan1974
03-11-2006, 05:25 PM
I have supported all they have done so far, but i dont like this i loved all these guys. Hope this means they are getting ready for something big.:confused:

hot pickle
03-11-2006, 05:26 PM
not jabar, man i loved gaff, maybe he will sign with the texans again though, but if not good luck jabar

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:27 PM
He is a restricted FA.

I will post the links from NFL.com before this gets out of hand.

Ya, I know he's a RFA but if you don't offer the minimum tender he's free to go.

Wells and Gaffney are UFA's so those don't surprise.

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 05:28 PM
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/afc-restricted

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/afc-unrestricted

Texans34Life
03-11-2006, 05:30 PM
Peek is a shocker. :shocked

I'm glad Gaffney is gone. :headbang:

Wells, he sort of showed up when DD went down.

Kubiak is cleaning house and hopefully bringing this team on track to be a real team.

:fans:

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 05:30 PM
Ya, I know he's a RFA but if you don't offer the minimum tender he's free to go.

Wells and Gaffney are UFA's so those don't surprise.

they offered the minimum tender. see post above.

the wonger need food
03-11-2006, 05:30 PM
So, if Peek signs with someone else we get a first round pick as compensation?

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 05:31 PM
So, if Peek signs with someone else we get a first round pick as compensation?

3rd

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:32 PM
Minimum tender = 3rd rounder = to where he was drafted -- if he signs with another team. That statement is very misleading.

tulexan
03-11-2006, 05:32 PM
So, if Peek signs with someone else we get a first round pick as compensation?

Next year though, right?

sprtsfanatic
03-11-2006, 05:33 PM
So, if Peek signs with someone else we get a first round pick as compensation?


good question...does someone have the answer to this one???

Runner
03-11-2006, 05:33 PM
So, if Peek signs with someone else we get a first round pick as compensation?

That's what the NFL.com article says; he must have gotten at least the midlevel tender.

infantrycak
03-11-2006, 05:33 PM
3rd

According to your link they gave peek a mid tender:

Armstrong, Derick WR Arkansas-Mont ROFR
Peek, Antwan LB Cincinnati 1st
Ragone, Dave QB Louisville 3rd
Wand, Seth T N.W. Missouri 3rd

Armstrong, Ragone and Wand got minimum tenders and so receive their original draft pick in compensation. Peek got a mid and so would carry a 1st.

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:34 PM
they offered the minimum tender. see post above.

That article tells me they offered the mid level (1st round) tender.

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 05:34 PM
Next year though, right?

It would be in this year's draft.

Hardcore Texan
03-11-2006, 05:35 PM
I had no idea they were going to let Peek go. The others were kind of anticipated. Time to worry....I mean trust the staff. I do have the Faith, just thought Peek was going to be around.

:texflag:

Dunta_23
03-11-2006, 05:35 PM
I thought that if you let a RFA walk untendered that you dont get any compensation? I may be mistaken on that... I thought that Gaffney would be resigned for sure...and Peek as well...I could see Wells leaving with Bush possibly coming in and already having DD and V-Mo...but I still think these guys are signable, just not tendered, maybe working on a longer term deal?

tulexan
03-11-2006, 05:35 PM
Nice

the wonger need food
03-11-2006, 05:36 PM
According to your link they gave peek a mid tender:



Armstrong, Ragone and Wand got minimum tenders and so receive their original draft pick in compensation. Peek got a mid and so would carry a 1st.

I'm not a religious person, but I will make an exception in this case and pray for someone to sign Peek, Ragone and Wand.

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 05:36 PM
According to your link they gave peek a mid tender:



Armstrong, Ragone and Wand got minimum tenders and so receive their original draft pick in compensation. Peek got a mid and so would carry a 1st.

You are correct. I read too quickly.

Of course, the Texans made a simple press release threads like this would never occur.

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:37 PM
You can let a RFA walk untendered. But according to the NFL.com article, the Texans gave Peek a mid-level tender. Meaning JP Crawford's article is incorrect - or misleading at best.

Runner
03-11-2006, 05:40 PM
Hey mods, I don't ask for much - but can you change the title of this thread?

Dunta_23
03-11-2006, 05:40 PM
Im a little upset that they didnt get Gaffney re-done before FA...he will be missed IMO

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:43 PM
Actually the only question is Peek since Gaffney and Wells are already UFAs and are technically not on the team unless re-signed.

BradK10
03-11-2006, 05:47 PM
Peek? Holy ****.

wow...you know when you get a response like this from aj he's shocked :)

run-david-run
03-11-2006, 05:50 PM
So Peek is still with us unless someone is crazy enough to give up a 1st rounder for him? Gaff and Wells are now free agents, not all that surprising, its going to be interesting to see how this shapes up.

aj.
03-11-2006, 05:51 PM
Initial reaction.

I sense this is bad info. The Texans wouldn't release Peek if he was given the mid-level tender according to NFL.com.... that is unless he got into more trouble in the last day or two :rolleyes:

Snapple
03-11-2006, 05:52 PM
Peek is a big surprise to me. I liked the guy. I hope this is part of some master plan. Otherwise, I'm going to not be pleased.

BradK10
03-11-2006, 05:53 PM
well, at least the offseason just got more interesting, and focus can be taken off ahem...other debatable issues :)

Runner
03-11-2006, 05:56 PM
Hey mods, I don't ask for much - but can you change the title of this thread?

Thanks.

dat_boy_yec
03-11-2006, 05:59 PM
Actually I think this is a great idea. If anybody takes him from us we get another 1st rd. pick. Think about it though we aren't overpaying him this yr. and he can get a long-term contract done during the season. I don't think he's going anywhere. The only guys I see leaving that I might miss a little bit are Gaffney and Wells.

aj.
03-11-2006, 06:01 PM
I have a feeling Peek is still with us and Gaffney and Wells are still unsigned UFAs. In other words, much ado about nothing - except that I didn't know about Peek's mid-level tender.

Texans Pride
03-11-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm confused. . . I don't know what is going on or who is on this team....I'll wait for a news article to sort this stuff out

Errant Hothy
03-11-2006, 06:10 PM
I'm confused. . . I don't know what is going on or who is on this team....I'll wait for a news article to sort this stuff out

Ditto, but then again it has me kinda excited and scared.

Maddict5
03-11-2006, 06:21 PM
Actually I think this is a great idea. If anybody takes him from us we get another 1st rd. pick. Think about it though we aren't overpaying him this yr. and he can get a long-term contract done during the season. I don't think he's going anywhere. The only guys I see leaving that I might miss a little bit are Gaffney and Wells.

just some info for every1- it isnt set in stone that we have to get a 1st rounder for peek. the compensation is negotiable if we want to get rid of him.
EG- the 9ers gave brandon lloyd a mid tender aswell(1st and 3rd comp) but are willing to settle for a 3rd this year and a 4th next year from the skins because lloyd wants to leave

Bubbajwp
03-11-2006, 06:21 PM
I'm not a religious person, but I will make an exception in this case and pray for someone to sign Peek, Ragone and Wand.
Amen brother.

HoustonFan
03-11-2006, 06:31 PM
Man, not JW and JG. *sigh Ah well. It's Kubiak's team, now. Maybe he'll consider these guys and hopefully they'll be back. JW was doing a good job in DD's absence, even though he was the guy before DD. JG I think was a bit more reliable than Bradford. We'll see how this thing ends up.

I see the Texans have signed FB Jameel Cook from the Bucs.

aj.
03-11-2006, 06:31 PM
I'm confused. . . I don't know what is going on or who is on this team....I'll wait for a news article to sort this stuff out

It's really not that hard. Go here: http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=HOU

Red means UFA and the player is now free to negotiate with anyone.

Black means RFA, meaning the player's movement is restricted but only if they have received a tender (offer) from the Texans to stay on. According to the article on NFL.com, only Ragone, Wand, Peek, and Armstrong have received tenders.

Blue means the player is under contract and locked up.

Trap_Star
03-11-2006, 06:33 PM
Does anybody know if we even made an attempt at signing LeCharles Bentley??????????????:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

BREAZE
03-11-2006, 06:36 PM
I'm confused. . . I don't know what is going on or who is on this team....I'll wait for a news article to sort this stuff out

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3717314.html

Kubiak is not messing around...

Bubbajwp
03-11-2006, 06:39 PM
Does anybody know if we even made an attempt at signing LeCharles Bentley??????????????:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
I dont think he was interested in the Texans.

Texans86
03-11-2006, 06:39 PM
Does anybody know if we even made an attempt at signing LeCharles Bentley??????????????:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Signed with Cleveland. Too bad. Highest paid center of all time now.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

run-david-run
03-11-2006, 06:39 PM
Bently got a ridiculous amount of money from the Browns, they were also his hometown team and he wanted to be there, that means we would basically have had to pay him Left Tackle money. I dont care how good he is, there was no way we could throw enough cash at him to get him here.

FYI. I heard on ESPN that Witherspoon is expecting to sign with the Rams(?) (not sure about team) and is expecting a signing bonus around 13M.

Lavaar Aaringtonn wants at least $10M up front....

Trap_Star
03-11-2006, 06:41 PM
I dont think he was interested in the Texans.

Now-a-days in the nfl, money talks:cool:

Maddict5
03-11-2006, 06:42 PM
Does anybody know if we even made an attempt at signing LeCharles Bentley??????????????:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

we're looking at flanagan the GB C...sherman knows him well and obviously thinks he'll be our starting C

The Preacher
03-11-2006, 06:42 PM
Gaffney was the only Texan that I couldn't really get excited about since he caught the game winning TD on a crap call against my Vols when he held it for a fraction of a second way back when. Gator free I love it. I'm loyal enough to root for him as a Texan but this really doesn't hurt personally. Easily replaceable and he does stuff like drop the ball before he walks into the endzone. Another bad draft pick g-o-n-e.

I don't know much about Weaver but he looks solid and had decent #'s for a 3-4 end. I don't think double digit sacks is a stretch since 4-5 in a 34 is more like 8-12 in a 43. Most likely the youngest quality DE available so I can't see how this isn't a solid aquisition. Overpaid at 13 mil guaranteed because Alexander got only 15 mil I think but that hasn't been clarified so maybe it's for 5 years. If so we just filled a big need for reasonable money. If not well...

Overall I like the moves so far as we have been cutting our losses and making sensible additions. Hopefully there's an o-line signing out there somewhere. Apparently my glass half full :homer: is feeling charged though at first I was wondering here we go again.

Texans Pride
03-11-2006, 06:45 PM
It's really not that hard. Go here: http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=HOU

Red means UFA and the player is now free to negotiate with anyone.

Black means RFA, meaning the player's movement is restricted but only if they have received a tender (offer) from the Texans to stay on. According to the article on NFL.com, only Ragone, Wand, Peek, and Armstrong have received tenders.

Blue means the player is under contract and locked up.


Thanks AJ, that part I understand. . . I was referring to the confusion about somone is gone, no they are here, no wait we still have them, no they've left! Sometimes these threads get so much stuff in them it's hard to sift through it all.

Nighthawk
03-11-2006, 06:59 PM
It's really not that hard. Go here: http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=HOU

Red means UFA and the player is now free to negotiate with anyone.

Black means RFA, meaning the player's movement is restricted but only if they have received a tender (offer) from the Texans to stay on. According to the article on NFL.com, only Ragone, Wand, Peek, and Armstrong have received tenders.

Blue means the player is under contract and locked up.

How can this be right? Banks in on there in BLUE and I believe he's not "locked up," I believe he's long gone.

texan279
03-11-2006, 07:02 PM
How can this be right? Banks in on there in BLUE and I believe he's not "locked up," I believe he's long gone.

Him, Coleman, and Hollings are all in the free agent/released row.

aj.
03-11-2006, 07:08 PM
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aj.
03-11-2006, 07:09 PM
They are listed in the free agent/ cap casualty (FA/CC) released section and those happen to be blue as well. I was talking about blue in the main roster area.

Bongo59
03-11-2006, 07:32 PM
Bently got a ridiculous amount of money from the Browns, they were also his hometown team and he wanted to be there, that means we would basically have had to pay him Left Tackle money. I dont care how good he is, there was no way we could throw enough cash at him to get him here.

FYI. I heard on ESPN that Witherspoon is expecting to sign with the Rams(?) (not sure about team) and is expecting a signing bonus around 13M.

Lavaar Aaringtonn wants at least $10M up front....that is a bargain for witherspoon considering you guys paid 13 mil in guarranteed money for weaver.....................

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2006, 07:46 PM
that is a bargain for witherspoon considering you guys paid 13 mil in guarranteed money for weaver.....................

Before you go back to Titansland, any news from around there or the league of interest?

texan279
03-11-2006, 08:48 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-0311sage,0,7946843.story?coll=sfla-sports-front

Rosenfels agrees to terms with Texans

Dolphins free-agent backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels agreed to terms with the Houston Texans Saturday on a four-year deal worth $7 million, including a $2 million signing bonus, according to a source.

aj.
03-11-2006, 09:13 PM
I was waiting until the 15th to renew my season tickets but this is too good to be true. I'm sending in my payment tonight.

12Gage
03-11-2006, 09:25 PM
I remember meeting Gaff after we drafted him his rookie year and getting a beautiful autograph from him on a Texan's helmet. Nice guy. I hope they bring him back, but if not, good luck to him.
Wells always played hard, but I understand if he moves on.
Peek has got to come back! Peek and Wells consistantly played with the most heart and passion over the past few season. Those were two guys that brough it every play. If we were to somehow loose both of them, that would be a pretty big blow.
Peek better come back.

MorKnolle
03-11-2006, 10:51 PM
Armstrong and Peek (among others) are both restricted free agents, so they have not been released to the open market yet, they still have time to sign them to a restricted free agent tender before they can receive offers from other teams.

According to the site http://www.houstonprofootball.com/ (scroll down to the bottom of that first page) the Texans tendered Peek to the high tender level ($1.55M), meaning any team trying to get him will owe us a 1st round pick, and Armstrong, Ragone, and Wand signed low tender ($712k), so Wand or Ragone would yield us a 3rd round pick if any team signs them away, but those four players have been signed to their tenders for now and are not released to the free market.

LORK 88
03-11-2006, 11:06 PM
Texans | Ragone tendered
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:55:41 -0800

The Houston Texans have tendered restricted free agent QB Dave Ragone. The team would receive a third-round draft choice as compensation if he signs elsewhere for the 2006 season.



Texans | Peek tendered
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:50:48 -0800

The Houston Texans have tendered restricted free agent LB Antwan Peek. The team would receive a first-round draft choice as compensation if he signs elsewhere for the 2006 season.

Errant Hothy
03-11-2006, 11:08 PM
Texans | Wand tendered
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:55:54 -0800

The Houston Texans have tendered restricted free agent OT Seth Wand. The team would receive a third-round draft choice as compensation if he signs elsewhere for the 2006 season.

Vinny
03-11-2006, 11:08 PM
So, in a lost season we just couldn't get Ragone on some NFL game film huh? Too bad we aren't that forward thinking as an organization yet.

Blake
03-11-2006, 11:08 PM
Good news. I wanted to retain both.

Errant Hothy
03-11-2006, 11:10 PM
So, in a lost season we just couldn't get Ragone on some NFL game film huh? Too bad we aren't that forward thinking as an organization yet.

I totally agree, we did a huge disservice to Ragone not playing him late last year.

MorKnolle
03-11-2006, 11:10 PM
We also tendered Derick Armstrong, although we don't receive any compensation if another team signs him, just a right of refusal, however those work exaclty.

Runner
03-11-2006, 11:12 PM
I totally agree, we did a huge disservice to Ragone not playing him late last year.

I wonder if Linehan would give up a third round pick to get reunited with Rags. He's one coach that probably has confidence in him, NFL game film or not.

tulexan
03-11-2006, 11:15 PM
There is a season's worth of film playing well in NFLE

edo783
03-11-2006, 11:17 PM
Peek won't be going anywhere if someone has to give up a first to get him....I mean....would you do it? Not me. Now Rags could have someone take a shot at him. Relatively cheap in the scheme of things.

Vinny
03-11-2006, 11:18 PM
There is a season's worth of film playing well in NFLEThat's worth exactly squat. You don't work against NFL caliber talent. If you can beat NFL coverages or react to hot reads against the actual league the film would have tangible value. Every second of film in nfle would be pure spec. Every second of NFL game film has zero speculation.

MorKnolle
03-11-2006, 11:19 PM
Peek won't be going anywhere if someone has to give up a first to get him....I mean....would you do it? Not me. Now Rags could have someone take a shot at him. Relatively cheap in the scheme of things.

I doubt anyone would be willing to give up a 3rd for Ragone, but if someone offers we'd better take it. We can easily find a better talent in the 3rd round than Ragone (not necessarily at QB, but I'm sure we can find one there too, i.e. Reggie McNeal).

texan279
03-11-2006, 11:20 PM
Peek won't be going anywhere if someone has to give up a first to get him....I mean....would you do it? Not me. Now Rags could have someone take a shot at him. Relatively cheap in the scheme of things.

Wasn't Peek's tender $1.55 million or close to it?

MorKnolle
03-11-2006, 11:22 PM
Wasn't Peek's tender $1.55 million or close to it?

Yes, $1.55 M, the other three (Ragone, Wand, and Armstrong) were at $712k.

Nighthawk
03-11-2006, 11:27 PM
I was waiting until the 15th to renew my season tickets but this is too good to be true. I'm sending in my payment tonight.

Is this sarcasm? Looks like sarcasm. OK, probably is. I just wanted to be sure.

thegr8fan
03-11-2006, 11:38 PM
now Vinny, you know if Ragone had come in behind that 'non-existant O-line' and somehow managed to win a game it would have done nothing but upset the apple cart for pretty boy Carr.

There was absolutely no reason in the world for Ragone to not get some gametime in some of those blowout loses last season. Except of course, to avoid controversy. :spy:

TexanFan881
03-11-2006, 11:58 PM
I would like to keep Wand and Peek, but we are fine at QB and I would really like to have an extra 3rd round pick.

whiskeyrbl
03-12-2006, 12:00 AM
SO if these guys go to different teams do we get the picks in this years draft??:confused:

infantrycak
03-12-2006, 12:06 AM
the Texans tendered Peek to the high tender level ($1.55M), meaning any team trying to get him will owe us a 1st round pick, and Armstrong, Ragone, and Wand signed low tender ($712k), so Wand or Ragone would yield us a 3rd round pick if any team signs them away, but those four players have been signed to their tenders for now and are not released to the free market.

FYI. The tender levels were low--$712k, mid--$1.55 mil and high--$2.06 mil. Peek was given a mid level tender which does carry a 1st as compensation. A high tender garners a 1st and a 3rd as compensation.

MorKnolle
03-12-2006, 12:47 AM
FYI. The tender levels were low--$712k, mid--$1.55 mil and high--$2.06 mil. Peek was given a mid level tender which does carry a 1st as compensation. A high tender garners a 1st and a 3rd as compensation.

I thought there was supposed to be a 3rd one but hadn't seen the $2.06M one mentioned yet so I wasn't sure.

texan279
03-12-2006, 02:13 AM
from www.kffl.com

Texans | Team visits with Flanagan
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:20:45 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans visited with free agent OL Mike Flanagan (Packers) Saturday, March 11. The team would like to sign him.


Texans | Team visits with K. Walter
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:19:17 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans visited with free agent WR Kevin Walter (Bengals) Saturday, March 11. The team would like to sign him.

texan279
03-12-2006, 04:30 AM
from www.kffl.com

Texans | Team interested in A. Davis
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 00:18:22 -0800

Jerome Solomon, of the Boston Globe, reports the Houston Texans have an interest in free agent WR Andre' Davis (Patriots), according to agent Kennard McGuire.

aj.
03-12-2006, 07:51 AM
Jerome Solomon, formerly of the Houston Chronicle I might add.... nice gig in Boston



According to the site http://www.houstonprofootball.com/ (scroll down to the bottom of that first page) the Texans tendered Peek to the high tender level ($1.55M), meaning any team trying to get him will owe us a 1st round pick, and Armstrong, Ragone, and Wand signed low tender ($712k), so Wand or Ragone would yield us a 3rd round pick if any team signs them away, but those four players have been signed to their tenders for now and are not released to the free market.

A RFA tender is simply a qualifying offer made by the current team. It doesn't mean the player has signed anything. RFAs have until April 21 to accept (sign) the current team's qualifying offer or entertain offer sheets from other teams. If they accept an offer sheet from another team, the current team has first right of refusal - meaning they can match any other club's offer. If the current team chooses not to match another team's offer sheet, then the compensation stated above would kick in.

About the comment in another post about Armstrong and first right of refusal: When a player who is given a RFA qualifying offer (tender) was not drafted when they initially came into the league, then there is no draft compensation if another team signs that player - but the current team has the first right of refusal (right to match any offers) on offer sheets the player receives from another team.

Updated Ourlads depth chart... the roster I posted yesterday afternoon was updated overnight. They have moved all the UFAs off the main roster. It looks pretty weak at a number of positions right now..... wide receiver, offensive line, middle linebacker ... yuk.

Don't pay too much attention to the Center depth. Those are tweaks that will come in the next few days. They won't move McKinney to G until it happens but they will probably slide Washington behind Weary....I'm getting sick just looking at that o-line. Nice work Sabo...you are the best when it comes to this stuff.

http://www.ourlads.com/secure/depthchart.cfm?index1=hou