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throwANDREtheBALL
03-07-2006, 12:05 AM
UM......this is gonna take awhile.

After 2 hours of thought, I've only got one good one.

1. Mcnair likes to have someone, with a goofier smile than his, at his side at all times.

2. Casserly owns a FLOW-BEE, and Mcnair hates the thought of having to pay for a haircut ?

3. The new staff is tapping into Casserly's brain for info on all the TEXANS. THIS scares me, since Casserly seems to know nothing at all about TALENT on his own team or someone elses.


HMMM, so why is he still here anyways ?

I don't get it, and I sure don't like it.

thetexanator
03-07-2006, 01:19 AM
i got one reason why hes still here,

its because McNAir cant quit him.hehe:ok:

CoastalTexan
03-07-2006, 01:31 AM
You gotta give him one thing, we arn't in Cap Hell like the jets and titans and other teams. That will cripple a team faster than one or 2 or 3 bad FA pickups. Hes not good in the draft or FA but at least we arnt way over the cap.

Corrosion
03-07-2006, 01:37 AM
I can oly come up with ONE real good reason he's still GM ....

He hired Dom Capers .... He has convinced McNair that last seasons D-E-B-A-C-L-E is ALL Dom's fualt and NONE of his own and that by hiring Kubiak things will change rapidly .....


Im NOT Buying it .... But obviously McNair has :ok:

Malloy
03-07-2006, 03:53 AM
I think the reason is much more simple. Casserly is the only one that still remembers the combination to the safe :)

playoff year please
03-07-2006, 06:32 AM
we need someone to fire this season if it gets bad.

Marcus
03-07-2006, 07:10 AM
The reason why Casserly is still here . . .

. . . is because Dan Reeves told McNair that Casserly wasn't the problem. Reeves also told McNair that Carr was not the problem. Reeves obviously told McNair that coaching was the the problem.

Reeves has been around the block a few times . . you know . . won a couple of Super Bowls, and minor stuff like that.

You might want to consider what your problem is with Reeves . . . and talk about why you know more than he does.

:fans: . . . :whistle:

Texas_Thrill
03-07-2006, 07:58 AM
The reason why Casserly is still here . . .

Reeves has been around the block a few times . . you know . . won a couple of Super Bowls, and minor stuff like that.

You might want to consider what your problem is with Reeves . . . and talk about why you know more than he does.


and YOU might want to get your FACTS straight. Dan Reeves has not won a couple super bowls. Heck for that matter he hasn't even won ONE. Lost FOUR in fact.

So tell me again why CASSERLY is here?

Corrosion
03-07-2006, 08:03 AM
So tell me again why CASSERLY is here?


I tend to like my answer the best so far .....with


we need someone to fire this season if it gets bad.

a very close second :stirpot:

Kaiser Toro
03-07-2006, 08:07 AM
Good cap management

With CBA uncertainty good to have Cass and Reeves

Knows players in college

and the #1 in my opinion is that he drafted Carr

chuckm
03-07-2006, 08:08 AM
well there seems to be quite a bit of football knowledge here on the board today and I realize that it's much easier to attack ideas rather than propose alternative ones but I'll ask anyway .... who would we hire if Casserly was fired?

Texas_Thrill
03-07-2006, 08:12 AM
I'd venture to say that we can't complain about CASS too much.

What is Matt Millen on....coach #3 or 4????


Corrosion I do like yours but I must admit the WE NEED SOMEONE TO FIRE THIS YEAR brought quite a chuckle.

I'd venture to say we won't fire him b/c of McNair's loyalty. I mean he's going ride with his folks to the wheels fall off. Admirable in some respects Stupid in others.

Marcus
03-07-2006, 08:17 AM
ehhhh . . . I better delete this post. I smell a ban lurking.

Marcus
03-07-2006, 08:28 AM
I just think some of the Casserly critics ought to cut Casserly and Carr some slack, and see what they both do with a different coaching staff first.

infantrycak
03-07-2006, 08:33 AM
and YOU might want to get your FACTS straight. Dan Reeves has not won a couple super bowls. Heck for that matter he hasn't even won ONE. Lost FOUR in fact.

So tell me again why CASSERLY is here?

I guess the 1971 (player) and 1977 (offensive coordinator) Superbowls with the Cowboys don't count?

Dan Reeves has played or participated in 9 Superbowls by the way--more than anyone else I believe.

As far as Casserly, I was in favor of sending him down the road as well. That hasn't been done but as a positive thought on the matter, the biggest knock on Casserly spells change in the FA and drafting of the team. He is known if anything to give his coaches too much of what they want. It appears at least two of the most questionable moves for the Texans (Buchanon and Babin) were such coach inspired moves. Given that the entire character of the coaching staff has changed, there is every reason to believe the character of the FA moves and drafting will change as well.

Texas_Thrill
03-07-2006, 08:37 AM
I guess the 1971 (player) and 1977 (offensive coordinator) Superbowls with the Cowboys don't count?

Dan Reeves has played or participated in 9 Superbowls by the way--more than anyone else I believe.

Yes you're correct there Infantry. My apologies to Marcus if those are the two he was REFERRING too. I read it has him being an HC since he was making the Dom Connection.

thunderkyss
03-07-2006, 08:39 AM
The reason why Casserly is still here . . .

. . . is because Dan Reeves told McNair that Casserly wasn't the problem. Reeves also told McNair that Carr was not the problem. Reeves obviously told McNair that coaching was the the problem.


:fans: . . . :whistle:

For Reeves to say Casserly wasn't the problem, then we have to assume, our linemen aren't the problem, our recievers, our defense, etc.. were not the problem, as well as Carr not being the problem. Casserly being with the Texans, pretty much says we have the talent on this team to win football games.... The Texans, "moves" so far seems to confirm that...... Weary was picked up. Walker, Coleman, and Hollings gone...... nothing we didn't expect.....

TreWardTxn
03-07-2006, 08:42 AM
well there seems to be quite a bit of football knowledge here on the board today and I realize that it's much easier to attack ideas rather than propose alternative ones but I'll ask anyway .... who would we hire if Casserly was fired?

I think this is likely the biggest factor in why Cass is still around. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would venture that the GM fraternity is a even smaller than the coaching frat. Meaning, those guys probably get recycled even more than head coaches. Even if the majority of posters on this board think he has goofed, he does have some credibility around the league. You can't have a first-time head coach and a first-time GM making the bulk of a franchise's decisions, or at least if you want to play it safe, that's how you'll look at it...

Personally, I think Casserly lived fat off of Gibbs coaching ability (in a pre-cap, pre-free agency NFL) and after Gibbs left, that whole franchise fell apart. Since being here he has continually screwed-the-pooch; how in the hell do you have 2+ years to evaluate who should be the first expansion pick, and you still manage to pick the gimp? So, Cass better hope Kubiak is the next coming or he'll be off trying to dupe the next new owner into hiring him...

chuckm
03-07-2006, 08:47 AM
Personally, I think Casserly lived fat off of Gibbs coaching ability (in a pre-cap, pre-free agency NFL) and after Gibbs left, that whole franchise fell apart.

I partly agree with this ... I see the head coach/GM as somewhat symbiotic in nature meaning that in the right situation one can benefit from the presence of the other .... when the 2 are at odds, both suffer ...

powerfuldragon
03-07-2006, 09:25 AM
i got one reason why hes still here,

its because McNAir cant quit him.hehe:ok:


It's official, i've now heard one brokeback joke too many.

thunderkyss
03-07-2006, 10:14 AM
I partly agree with this ... I see the head coach/GM as somewhat symbiotic in nature meaning that in the right situation one can benefit from the presence of the other .... when the 2 are at odds, both suffer ...


In a normal situation, I like to agree. but generally in those cases, you know the GM and the HC aren't getting along.. New Orleans is probably the most recent case of this... .we all know Haslette wasn't happy with who ever their GM is now, I can't remember his name.

Same thing in SF...... there wasn't any doubt Mouch didn't get along with Walsh.

I say in a normal situation, because AFAIK, Capers & Casserly were in the same bed......

cyanides
03-07-2006, 11:14 AM
I got the real reason and it hasn't been brought up yet.

Need I remind everyone he was the genious behind the drafting of Drew Henson. Which resulted in an extra third round pick, which resulted in acquiring of Showtime. That alone ought to buy him three more years.
(sarcasim)

throwANDREtheBALL
03-07-2006, 11:54 AM
So its official, he's still here because, "he's good with the cap" ????

Um, OK ?

So when casserly brings in guys like Wade, Greenwood, Weigert and GROSSLY overpays them, its good cap management ?

How about all that great production we great from our OVERPAID leader, the 5 year project QB. Hey lets re-sign him and tie up a bunch more money in a STILL unproven young QB. Whats that I hear ? OH, its all the line's fault ? Well, why didn't we draft some DANG O-lineman before the 5th round last year then ? Or why didn't the genius CASSERLY sign someone in FA a little better than Victor Riley ? Why did they say O-line was top priority last off-season and then just tell David to throw the ball quicker. "Here's your BELL David, when you here it ring it means your gonna get sacked again, cuz I S-U-C-K at actually improving the talent on our team."

YEP, all signs of a GREAT GM.

If Casserly were from the movie Anchorman, he'd be BRICK TAMLAND....lovable, but, not quite all there.

Double Barrel
03-07-2006, 12:26 PM
GMs have different roles to play with each organization. For instance, GM responsibilities with the New England Patriots will be quite different than those with say, the Arizona Cardinals.

Each owner has their own way of delegating responsibility, and the head coach has more or less power with each club. In the Texans front office, the power structure seems to be established where the GM obtains the players that the coaching staff has evaluated and picked.

So most, if not all, of the players that are being used against Casserly are really the products of Capers & Co., and there should be some understanding from fans about how these things work.

Obviously many very intelligent football minds think completely different than forum braniacs, which is why Casserly is still with the team. They've obviously got completely different perspectives than us outsiders, and only they know the full responsibilities of our GM.

TexanBacker93
03-07-2006, 02:56 PM
You gotta give him one thing, we arn't in Cap Hell like the jets and titans and other teams. That will cripple a team faster than one or 2 or 3 bad FA pickups. Hes not good in the draft or FA but at least we arnt way over the cap.


One good way to get into Cap Hell is by making multiple bad FA pickups. (Wade, Greenwood)
Another is to give long term high dollar extensions to aging injury prone players. (Walker, Payne)

Kaiser Toro
03-07-2006, 03:19 PM
One good way to get into Cap Hell is by making multiple bad FA pickups. (Wade, Greenwood)
Another is to give long term high dollar extensions to aging injury prone players. (Walker, Payne)

Agreed, but the current model is able to support those contracts and if the CBA does get done we will be in a very good position. Moreover, lets not forget that the new staff may be able to put those guys in a position to play up to their contracts.

run-david-run
03-07-2006, 04:14 PM
1. Andre Johnson 2. Dunta Robinson 3. Domanick Davis 4. Jerome Mathis

infantrycak
03-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Another is to give long term high dollar extensions to aging injury prone players. (Walker, Payne)

Payne has had 1 injury causing him to miss a game (caused by astroturf which was replaced within weeks after the injury) in the past 7 seasons. He has since played two full seasons after the knee injury without missing a game. JMO, but that doesn't count as injury prone.

TexanBacker93
03-07-2006, 05:54 PM
Payne has had 1 injury causing him to miss a game (caused by astroturf which was replaced within weeks after the injury) in the past 7 seasons. He has since played two full seasons after the knee injury without missing a game. JMO, but that doesn't count as injury prone.

He also tore his hamstring in the Browns game in 2004. He missed the remainder of the season. Ok, so it was 3 quarters. Maybe he's not as gimpy as the big G-Funk, but he's not a spring chicken. I'll retract the previous comment, though, since he's not technically injury prone.

WiiBrawler
03-07-2006, 07:22 PM
UM......this is gonna take awhile.

After 2 hours of thought, I've only got one good one.

1. Mcnair likes to have someone, with a goofier smile than his, at his side at all times.

2. Casserly owns a FLOW-BEE, and Mcnair hates the thought of having to pay for a haircut ?

3. The new staff is tapping into Casserly's brain for info on all the TEXANS. THIS scares me, since Casserly seems to know nothing at all about TALENT on his own team or someone elses.


HMMM, so why is he still here anyways ?

I don't get it, and I sure don't like it.

You wanna know 3 reasons Casserly is still our GM?

1.Andre Johnson
2.Domanick Davis
3.Dunta Robinson

Texans_Chick
03-07-2006, 08:28 PM
IMO, Casserly is still here because:

1. McNair is loyal and hated to get rid of even Capers. He really wants an organization like the Steelers that has consistency over the years. Hard to do from scratch in an instant results sorta talk radio ESPen kinda world but McNair has repeatedly stated his admiration for organizations that have stability.

2. Cass holds the keys to the draft side of the organization. If we fired Cass, we woulda lost a lot of his draft guys. Pulling the plug on him whilst trying to redo the whole coaching staff in a year where we have a lot of key draft picks would have been very ambitious. Whatever his strengths and faults, at least McNair knows the guy. Devil you know versus the devil you don't know.

3. No better alternative. Quality GMs usually are hard to get. Among the smallest fraternities out there.

It would suprise the heck out of me if he did anything too terribly cute in this draft. If he did, he has steel cajones.

aj.
03-07-2006, 08:32 PM
Dan Ferens is the Texans cap guy. Has been for a while.

Casserly supervises a group of scouts, collects player data and ranks players.

mexican_texan
03-07-2006, 09:50 PM
It's official, i've now heard one brokeback joke too many.
Would you rather hear Chuck Norris facts? (carr and casserly in my av.)

the reasons he has a job is how well he put a team together. We've had players that we liked like Sharper, JJ Moses, AJ, DD, CB23, and Antwaan Peek. Look at the Browns and Jaguars. They wish they did as well as we did.

TexansTrueFan
03-07-2006, 11:00 PM
UM......this is gonna take awhile.

After 2 hours of thought, I've only got one good one.

1. Mcnair likes to have someone, with a goofier smile than his, at his side at all times.

2. Casserly owns a FLOW-BEE, and Mcnair hates the thought of having to pay for a haircut ?

3. The new staff is tapping into Casserly's brain for info on all the TEXANS. THIS scares me, since Casserly seems to know nothing at all about TALENT on his own team or someone elses.


HMMM, so why is he still here anyways ?

I don't get it, and I sure don't like it.


maybe, its cause he makes good draft choices. atleast i think so.

thunderkyss
03-15-2006, 08:32 AM
Judgin by the Texans' "moves" in FA, I'm assuming Kubiak & Co. are overall pretty happy with the job CC has done. For the most part, he has more or less blessed the previous coaching staffs talent evaluation. by this I mean:

We were expecting a lot of action this FA...... so far, it's been pretty slow, like he said it would be. It seems to be methodical, and he doesn't appear to believe we have to reach for the Big names, to fix our problems.

We all agree we had offensive line problems(even us VY supporters). Kubiak has addressed every position. Center, Left Gaurd, Left Tackle, Right Gaurd... We have a Center coming in, and most probably looking for a right tackle in the Draft.

#2 WR......... he's looking

TE.......... on the way

QB..... We needed a better option than Banks & Ragone. Some one who may possibly start/take over... he get's us Sage Rosenfell(sp) (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&yr=2006&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=10) who is rated above guys like Tim Hasselback, Dave Ragone, Ken Dorsey, Jeff Blake, and Doug Flutie...... which looks promising...... but behind guys like Tony Banks(which I find hard to believe is ranked #10) Charlie Batch, & Kerry Collins( who needs to make the mental transition to back up QB....) which is worriesome.

On the defensive side of the Ball, we all wanted to get rid of Coleman. That happened. We questioned why we're paying Gary Walker so much moolah... gone.
We know we need help to stop the run..... well, we switched to the 4-3 also, So he gets us a run stopping DE.... But that guy also brings leadership & enthusiasm to the defense...

We question pat Buchanon..... Nothing has happened here. We need a SS, and we have a hodge podge of LBs.

We lack a pass rush..... doesn't appear to be high on Kubiaks list... maybe he sees Peek & Babin filling that roll.

But there is still a draft... and quite a bit of FA left.

Today, I can honestly say we have less holes, than we did two weeks ago. I think we've done enough, that we can realisticly look at passing on D'Brick at least. We still have a need for Mario..... but I'd rather take Reggie at #1. He doesn't fill a need, but at the #1 overall spot, I'll take the skill position. If I were N.O. and they both were available, I'd take Mario....... Easy.

Anyhow. I mainly wanted to say Kubiak seems to agree with Reeves. Casserly is doing is job.... we aren't anymore active than any other team right now. Look at Arizona........ they're either starstruck, or desperate, looks like they're trying to rebuild through FA alone.

texan279
03-15-2006, 08:38 AM
Judgin by the Texans' "moves" in FA, I'm assuming Kubiak & Co. are overall pretty happy with the job CC has done. For the most part, he has more or less blessed the previous coaching staffs talent evaluation. by this I mean:

We were expecting a lot of action this FA...... so far, it's been pretty slow, like he said it would be. It seems to be methodical, and he doesn't appear to believe we have to reach for the Big names, to fix our problems.

We all agree we had offensive line problems(even us VY supporters). Kubiak has addressed every position. Center, Left Gaurd, Left Tackle, Right Gaurd... We have a Center coming in, and most probably looking for a right tackle in the Draft.

#2 WR......... he's looking

TE.......... on the way
QB..... We needed a better option than Banks & Ragone. Some one who may possibly start/take over... he get's us Sage Rosenfell(sp) (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&yr=2006&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=10) who is rated above guys like Tim Hasselback, Dave Ragone, Ken Dorsey, Jeff Blake, and Doug Flutie...... which looks promising...... but behind guys like Tony Banks(which I find hard to believe is ranked #10) Charlie Batch, & Kerry Collins( who needs to make the mental transition to back up QB....) which is worriesome.

On the defensive side of the Ball, we all wanted to get rid of Coleman. That happened. We questioned why we're paying Gary Walker so much moolah... gone.
We know we need help to stop the run..... well, we switched to the 4-3 also, So he gets us a run stopping DE.... But that guy also brings leadership & enthusiasm to the defense...

We question pat Buchanon..... Nothing has happened here. We need a SS, and we have a hodge podge of LBs.

We lack a pass rush..... doesn't appear to be high on Kubiaks list... maybe he sees Peek & Babin filling that roll.

But there is still a draft... and quite a bit of FA left.

Today, I can honestly say we have less holes, than we did two weeks ago. I think we've done enough, that we can realisticly look at passing on D'Brick at least. We still have a need for Mario..... but I'd rather take Reggie at #1. He doesn't fill a need, but at the #1 overall spot, I'll take the skill position. If I were N.O. and they both were available, I'd take Mario....... Easy.

Anyhow. I mainly wanted to say Kubiak seems to agree with Reeves. Casserly is doing is job.... we aren't anymore active than any other team right now. Look at Arizona........ they're either starstruck, or desperate, looks like they're trying to rebuild through FA alone.

Didn't you post this in the Carr thread?

That's a lot more than "NO TALENT" McKinney was in the wrong spot, but other than that, the talent is there....... do we need probowlers at every spot??

chuckm
03-15-2006, 08:43 AM
Didn't you post this in the Carr thread?


Every thread is eventually a Carr thread ..... :redtowel:

texan279
03-15-2006, 08:47 AM
Every thread is eventually a Carr thread ..... :redtowel:

I am not trying to turn this into a Carr thread, but in the Carr thread he said the only problem we had on offense last season was McKinney was in the wrong spot, and there was enough talent everywhere else on offense and no other problems. Now he comes over here and posts this...We all agree we had offensive line problems(even us VY supporters). Kubiak has addressed every position. Center, Left Gaurd, Left Tackle, Right Gaurd... We have a Center coming in, and most probably looking for a right tackle in the Draft.

#2 WR......... he's looking

TE.......... on the way