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CITY CAT
03-06-2006, 06:31 PM
Anyone with ESPN Insider want to fill the "Cat" in on what's cooking.

The Dude Abides
03-06-2006, 06:33 PM
No big surprises in the top 7. Pretty Much the same as other mocks.
Bush
Leinart
Young
Ferguson
Williams
Hawk
Cutler
He did have V. Davis fall out of the top 10 to 11.

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
03-06-2006, 06:34 PM
No big surprises in the top 7. Pretty Much the same as other mocks.
Bush
Leinart
Young
Ferguson
Williams
Hawk
Cutler
He did have V. Davis fall out of the top 10 to 11.

idk about that.
young might drop farther down in the draft still

keyfro
03-06-2006, 06:37 PM
kiper also usually gets about half the draft wrong in all his mocks then on draft day he's like i knew they were gonna do that

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
03-06-2006, 06:38 PM
kiper also usually gets about half the draft wrong in all his mocks then on draft day he's like i knew they were gonna do that

haha

Corrosion
03-06-2006, 06:43 PM
kiper also usually gets about half the draft wrong in all his mocks then on draft day he's like i knew they were gonna do that


Kiper will do about a dozen mocks between now and draft day .... all of them different ..... Then he will say ... I knew that all along .... Hell most of the people on this MB could post a mock as good as his ..... and they dont get to go to the combine or pro-days .:stirpot:

keyfro
03-06-2006, 08:39 PM
my favorite part of his mock was that he had guys like bryd, lewis, j. joseph, and k. jennings going in the first round...bryd doesn't have the talent to go in the first and with lewis running in the 4.8's he's not a first round talent...the corners he threw in there because they ran really fast at either the combine or the pro day of their campus...but to say that hali is going to cleveland over some of the other guys who are a much better fit for the 3-4 OLB position is crazy...manny lawson has moved up into 1st round talent...and what happened to all the offensive tackles...with all the teams needed OT's there is only two taken in round one i honestly doubt it...i don't see kiwanuka falling down to number 31 and i don't see bunkley being taken by the ravens

Bubbajwp
03-06-2006, 09:00 PM
my favorite part of his mock was that he had guys like bryd, lewis, j. joseph, and k. jennings going in the first round...bryd doesn't have the talent to go in the first and with lewis running in the 4.8's he's not a first round talent...the corners he threw in there because they ran really fast at either the combine or the pro day of their campus...but to say that hali is going to cleveland over some of the other guys who are a much better fit for the 3-4 OLB position is crazy...manny lawson has moved up into 1st round talent...and what happened to all the offensive tackles...with all the teams needed OT's there is only two taken in round one i honestly doubt it...i don't see kiwanuka falling down to number 31 and i don't see bunkley being taken by the ravens
Ya Manny Lawson should be the first 3-4 OLB taken he almost ran a 4.3 40 which is insane for his size.

Corrosion
03-07-2006, 03:54 AM
Ya Manny Lawson should be the first 3-4 OLB taken he almost ran a 4.3 40 which is insane for his size.


A 4.43 to be exact .... for a guy 6'6" 245 lbs thats just sick

beerlover
03-07-2006, 04:37 AM
A 4.43 to be exact .... for a guy 6'6" 245 lbs thats just sick

You know if the Texans where not set on converting to the 4-3 defense the prospects who fit the 3-4 defense in this draft are steller. Maybe the Texans are giving up a year too early with this scheme :rolleyes:

Corrosion
03-07-2006, 07:16 AM
You know if the Texans where not set on converting to the 4-3 defense the prospects who fit the 3-4 defense in this draft are steller. Maybe the Texans are giving up a year too early with this scheme :rolleyes:


I think you may be right .....:brickwall

nunusguy
03-07-2006, 07:34 AM
You know if the Texans where not set on converting to the 4-3 defense the prospects who fit the 3-4 defense in this draft are steller. Maybe the Texans are giving up a year too early with this scheme :rolleyes:
Even if Kubiak decided that the 3-4 would be the Texans base D, we've got
tweeners at OLB running out our ears. Too many other things we "need" to draft for.

thunderkyss
03-07-2006, 07:52 AM
You know if the Texans where not set on converting to the 4-3 defense the prospects who fit the 3-4 defense in this draft are steller. Maybe the Texans are giving up a year too early with this scheme :rolleyes:


That's what I think..... 'specially with guys like Babin & Peek saying they finally get it, at the end of the season....

Maddict5
03-07-2006, 08:09 AM
http://www.maddennation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51492

The most intriguing position, by far, in this year's NFL draft is tight end. There is big-time talent at the top with Maryland's Vernon Davis, who had great workouts at the combine and should be the first tight end taken off the board.
I project that three tight ends will go in the first round, but teams will be able to get a quality tight end well into the second day of the draft, with players like: Leonard Pope, Georgia; Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado; Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame; Tim Day, Oregon; Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan; and Wisconsin's Owen Daniels, who could be used as an H-back in the NFL, similar to Chris Cooley of the Washington Redskins.

*First-Round Projections
1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB* USC
2. New Orleans Matt Leinart, QB USC
3. Tennessee Vince Young, QB* Texas
4. N.Y. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia
5. Green Bay Mario Williams, DE* NC State
6. San Francisco A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St.
7. Oakland Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
8. Buffalo Haloti Ngata, DT* Oregon
9. Detroit Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona LenDale White, RB* USC
11. St. Louis Vernon Davis, TE* Maryland
12. Cleveland Tamba Hali, DE Penn St.
13. Baltimore Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida St.
14. Philadelphia Ernie Sims, LB* Florida St.
15. Atlanta Johnathan Joseph, CB* South Carolina
16. Miami Winston Justice, T* USC
17. Minnesota DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
18. Dallas Chad Jackson, WR* Florida
19. San Diego Santonio Holmes, WR* Ohio St.
20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson
21. New England Ashton Youboty, CB* Ohio St.
22. Denver (from WSH) Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
23. Tampa Bay Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
24. Cincinnati Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
25. N.Y. Giants Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
26. Chicago Dominique Byrd, TE USC
27. Carolina Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
28. Jacksonville DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
29. Denver Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida St.
30. Indianapolis Laurence Maroney, RB* Minnesota
31. Pittsburgh Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
32. Seattle Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St.

* denotes underclassman

kastofsna
03-07-2006, 10:14 AM
kiper also usually gets about half the draft wrong in all his mocks then on draft day he's like i knew they were gonna do that
actually his mock drafts are usually the most accurate year in and year out, or 2nd or 3rd

Corrosion
03-07-2006, 10:26 AM
actually his mock drafts are usually the most accurate year in and year out, or 2nd or 3rd


Do you work for ESPN ? :rolleyes:

Rosusu
03-07-2006, 12:21 PM
Johnathon Joseph is ranked way too high. I watched him play all year and the fact that Ko Simpson isnt even in the first round and Joseph is ranked so high is just ridiculous. Ko is a outstanding player and was much better than Joseph every play in every game. Joseph just had a very good showing at the combine which means he knows how to run well and do drills. Joseph is a good player, but I dont think he is 1st round quality.

Coach C.
03-07-2006, 12:50 PM
CBs get more love than S. Joseph is a player and I do not dispute that Simpson is better, Joseph is fast, big, and plays a position that has greater importance in the NFL eyes. He is ranked high, but I am hoping he makes it out of the first.

dcarey20
03-07-2006, 04:11 PM
in his new mock he didnt have manny lawson in the 1st

he had jonathon joseph going 15th

there were some really weird picks, but he gets paid to do that, so i guess he knows what hes talking about...

MikeMc
03-07-2006, 04:15 PM
Are you talking about his "Big Board" or the Mock Draft?

Wild.Bill
03-07-2006, 06:33 PM
All of these mock drafts get really old. Until a couple of days before the draft, nobody has a real clue. It's all speculation. What amazes me is that they put together these mock drafts, but if you look at team needs, they have them drafting somebody that is not need. There is two sides of the equation when it comes to first day draft picks:
1. How the teams have the players rated
2. What their immediate needs are in relation to the scheme they run and who best fits it.

When you go through these picks, the players are good players but not the most pressing need of the team picking.

That's why there is so many teams that move up or down on draft day because of what their needs are and what player they think best fits their need.

TexansCanes
03-07-2006, 08:01 PM
All of these mock drafts get really old. Until a couple of days before the draft, nobody has a real clue. It's all speculation. What amazes me is that they put together these mock drafts, but if you look at team needs, they have them drafting somebody that is not need. There is two sides of the equation when it comes to first day draft picks:
1. How the teams have the players rated
2. What their immediate needs are in relation to the scheme they run and who best fits it.

When you go through these picks, the players are good players but not the most pressing need of the team picking.

That's why there is so many teams that move up or down on draft day because of what their needs are and what player they think best fits their need.

that is what makes these mocks meaningless, no body knows what the organization is thinking and where they have these players rated. it's just that the draft is so far after the season they need something to talk about.

as for vince maybe sliping because of his score, all that matters is how his workout goes. i don't care if you are dumb as rocks if you can throw a good football and can scramble like he does you won't fall out of the top 3.

kastofsna
03-08-2006, 10:55 AM
Do you work for ESPN ? :rolleyes:
yeah, i know i must be a kiper fan because a guy is completely WRONG about him and i correct him with the FACTS

Kaiser Toro
03-08-2006, 11:02 AM
yeah, i know i must be a kiper fan because a guy is completely WRONG about him and i correct him with the FACTS

Accurate mocks and how that accuracy projects to quality and valued play at the positions they were drafted are two different things.

Kiper is a Rosenhaus tool that has nice hair. He is best used in the early winter months when agents are trying to sow their seeds and need to get publicity out on a potential client. Come spring time bring out the Kiper again to reap the fruits of the blooming clientele.

Vinny
03-08-2006, 11:56 AM
Hey, I'm sorry about that Surgeon I recommended for the mcl. My Uncle said he was reputable.

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bigTEXan8
03-08-2006, 12:27 PM
The reason why Kipe had Byrd so high was because he had a great combine. Byrd may have improved his stock, but I doubt it's too the level of first round. Pope will go before Byrd, hands down. Hell...M. Lewis will go before Byrd.

I think the reason why Kipe is so popular is because he's a good evaluator of talent. I think he's off with some players, but for the most part, he's pretty solid. I forget who wrote this, but someone posted earlier that anybody from this board could put together a board that's just as good as Kipe: which brings me to this idea of a "friendly competition." How 'bout, we all put together a draft board of the first round, and whoevers closest gets recognized as "Better than Kipe"...HA!!! What do ya'll think?

Vinny
03-08-2006, 12:33 PM
Kiper isn't a talent evaluator. He is an information gatherer - he uses his contacts to scout.

kastofsna
03-09-2006, 02:45 PM
Accurate mocks and how that accuracy projects to quality and valued play at the positions they were drafted are two different things.

Kiper is a Rosenhaus tool that has nice hair. He is best used in the early winter months when agents are trying to sow their seeds and need to get publicity out on a potential client. Come spring time bring out the Kiper again to reap the fruits of the blooming clientele.
i'm not disagreeing. all i'm saying is what the guy said about kiper being wrong with his mocks his wrong