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Ibar_Harry
08-16-2004, 02:11 PM
I was unable to watch or hear the game Saturday, but I have listened to Caper's comments and read most of the others. Parcels does not like preseason games and views them as player review time. I hope our team does not take this win too much to heart when the regular season game rolls around against Dallas. It will not be the same game and Parcels will have a totally different plan of attack. I'm not saying we aren't good and I'm not saying we can't be Dallas. What I'm saying is Parcels could be playing a chess game with us and he could be setting us up for a big let down. I have felt for some time that Dallas could have some real problems this year, but I'm certain that Jerry will emphasize how important the game against the Texans is. I think some friction is beginning to develop, but its just a personal hunch from what I have seen. Having said the above I love what I'm hearing or not hearing about the O-line. I hope we can avoid injuries and can get through the preseason and on to the regular season. I think the 3 keys to this year are Bruener, Wand, and the changes in the defense. Right now, I would say the rest of the NFL had better watch our for our team. If Carr has time he can hurt you big time. It sounds like in this game he had that time or bought some time. To do that the line has to be doing some good work. You then have to have receivers who recognize and help the QB out when things breakdown. Gaffny did that on one play which is a sign of maturity. I really think we are a very good team on paper, perhaps a little short on depth, but our starters can play with anyone.

BornOrange
08-16-2004, 02:15 PM
We don't play Dallas this year in the regular season.

Diehardtexan
08-16-2004, 02:19 PM
Why? We don't play them in the regular season. Both teams were playing to evaluate their own players. We didn't play just to win. It's up to the players to show what they can do during the preseason to win a job. Dallas Players didn't look like the cared or we made them look that way. Parcell dosen't like to lose even in the preseason, his players just didn't do their jobs and mostly because we didn't let them. :boxing:

texasguy346
08-16-2004, 02:25 PM
We play the NFC North this year, and the NFC West next year. We won't play the Cowboys again till 2006, and in all likelihood Parcells won't be with the team by then.

Ibar_Harry
08-16-2004, 02:40 PM
Sorry about that, I keep thinking we are playing them in the regular season. However, I think you guys are right about Parcel's length of stay with Dallas. I think the 1st chink in the armour was when Parcels, I believe said, wasn't interested in George, but then Jerry was. He was signed. I think Jerry is already starting to assert himself and I think Parcels will not handle it very well. Anyway, I hope we play it cozy and avoid injuries until the season starts. I like our starters and what they are capable of and we should continue to evaluate and forget the preseason record.

texasguy346
08-16-2004, 02:44 PM
Well Parcells signed a 5 yr contract, and he's been in Dallas for one year already. I don't think either Parcells or Jones ever thought he'd live out the full length of the contract. Three or four years seems to be a safe assumption.

WWJD
08-16-2004, 02:50 PM
I just read an article a few days ago where Coach Parcells said he really enjoys working with Jerry and his son and that it's the perfect fit for him because they are in agreement on most everything concerning the team.

I wouldn't say he'll be there for the entire 5 years but if he's enjoying himself, he's being paid millions and he's in the spotlight it's as good a place as any.



He's not really a predictable person. Everybody was shocked when he took this job remember? He's one of those "I march to my own drummer" people.

TheOgre
08-16-2004, 03:20 PM
Twice he has told the Buccaneers he would coach them only to back out before the press conference. If I could identify Parcell's biggest weakness, it is his flakiness.

StarStruck
08-16-2004, 04:41 PM
Twice he has told the Buccaneers he would coach them only to back out before the press conference. If I could identify Parcell's biggest weakness, it is his flakiness.

OBTW, WWJD, I wasn't surprised in the least bit. Parcells was #1 on my wish list and I really thought coaching the Cowboys would be a good fit as well as bringing some order to the undisciplined brats. :rofl:

There is a lot of talk about JJ's management style, but IMHO, being a part of the Glazer organization isn't too appealing for someone who has nothing to prove. :twocents:

BornOrange
08-16-2004, 05:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this is Parcells' final season in Dallas. Things are really going to heat up if they don't make the playoffs, and I don't think they will.

StarStruck
08-16-2004, 05:50 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this is Parcells' final season in Dallas. Things are really going to heat up if they don't make the playoffs, and I don't think they will.

Help me to understand why things would heat up after the second year! Some interesting situations have transpired that doesn't reflect on coaching ability. Last year was a good one, when only a few people, including many Cowboys fans, believed it possible to win more than five or six games. Save any easy schedule excuses, because there was still some great coaching to take what we had and work it into a positive situation. Only firing I can recall after a good year of coaching happened to Bum Phillips.

Vinny
08-16-2004, 05:50 PM
We only play the Cowboys twice a decade in the regular season under the current scheduling format.

WWJD
08-16-2004, 05:52 PM
I don't know much about the Bucs so I can't comment on their front office other than they won a SB so they did something right somewhere. I think Gruden is the right coach for them. He's a very good coach.

powda
08-16-2004, 10:04 PM
parcells is a great motivator. he is not an x's and o's coach. i think he gets a lot of undo attention and is far overated.

i dont see the "boys" making the playoffs this year...and if they do they'll be 1 and out again.

thegr8fan
08-16-2004, 10:33 PM
We only play the Cowboys twice a decade in the regular season under the current scheduling format uh....wrong. We played them in 2002, we will play them again in 2006, and again in 2010. Or every 4 years. However a decade is 10 years and we will play them 3 times in the first 10 years. :rolleyes:

sorry V, but you are right so often I have to point out the wrongs occasionally. :popcorn:

Livid13
08-16-2004, 11:04 PM
I heard some talking head last season, mention that Parcell's had never won a Super Bowl without Belicheck, as a defensive coach and/or coordinator on his staff. Jump BALL!

Vinny
08-16-2004, 11:13 PM
uh....wrong. We played them in 2002, we will play them again in 2006, and again in 2010. Or every 4 years. However a decade is 10 years and we will play them 3 times in the first 10 years. :rolleyes:

sorry V, but you are right so often I have to point out the wrongs occasionally. :popcorn:I wish that were true, but I'm glad to be amongst men who can pick me up when I fall down. With the scheduling format there is a chance to play them more often if the rotation of the 'first or last place' teams rule kicks in, but once every half decade is the rule of thumb as to playing the 'boys. ;)

BornOrange
08-17-2004, 08:52 PM
With the current scheduling format, the AFC teams only play NFC teams once every four years. The two games each year based on ranking come against teams from your own conference, from the two divisions you don't play that season. This year, the Texans play all the teams in the West division, so they will only play the teams from the East and the North that had the same finish in their division that the Texans did.

BornOrange
08-17-2004, 08:56 PM
Help me to understand why things would heat up after the second year! Some interesting situations have transpired that doesn't reflect on coaching ability. Last year was a good one, when only a few people, including many Cowboys fans, believed it possible to win more than five or six games. Save any easy schedule excuses, because there was still some great coaching to take what we had and work it into a positive situation. Only firing I can recall after a good year of coaching happened to Bum Phillips.
Things will heat up after the second year because the Cowboys are supposed to be progressing toward a Super Bowl. Last year they made the playoffs. If they don't make the playoffs this year, that will be a step backwards. Many Cowboys fans, who are the most fairweather fans in football, will be upset if the Cowboys don't make the playoffs. The tension of a losing season could also cause some friction between Jones and Parcells. Neither one of those guys has ever handled friction with much style and grace.

thegr8fan
08-19-2004, 08:35 AM
I wish that were true, but I'm glad to be amongst men who can pick me up when I fall down. With the scheduling format there is a chance to play them more often if the rotation of the 'first or last place' teams rule kicks in, but once every half decade is the rule of thumb as to playing the 'boys. uh wrong again. For the correct answer check BornOrange reply right under yours.

and your still wrong on the decade thing. Playing in 2002, 2006, and 2010 means we play them THREE times in the first decade.

your slipping slightly Bored God. :hehe:

Back on topic though, I don't see Parcells going anywhere for a couple of years. He cemented himself in position with a playoff spot last season, something the Cowboys haven't seen in quite a number of years.

course that is pure speculation that him and Jerrah don't step on each other's toes too much, and we all know how a 'stepping on the toes' turns into a 'STOMPING on the toes" with both those guys in a short amount of time.

WWJD
08-19-2004, 10:41 AM
I think if Parcells does leave before his contract is up and the odds are he will because that's his pattern, that it will be his choice.

Nobody talks him up more than Jerry Jones. He's absolutely a Parcells guy.

BornOrange
08-19-2004, 04:50 PM
I think if Parcells does leave before his contract is up and the odds are he will because that's his pattern, that it will be his choice.

Nobody talks him up more than Jerry Jones. He's absolutely a Parcells guy.
Yeah, and Jerry really talked up Jimmy for a while until their egos became entangled. I don't think Jerry's ego has diminished any, and if there is one coach with as much an ego as Jimmy Johnson, it would be Bill Parcells.

WWJD
08-19-2004, 05:03 PM
I've read various articles about the soap opera that was "Jimmy vs Jerry" and actually Jerry realized that he let a really good coach get away due to ego.

I don't particularly like Jerry much but I do believe he is a smart businessman. I think he's poor at judging football talent but I do think behind the scenes he's very, very smart. I think he learned a lesson with Jimmy. And I've heard both say that they have patched up their friendship which actually went back to their college days.

I can't see Jerry screwing up with Bill. I think Bill will leave on his own and not because of Jerry. I also think Coach Parcells is being honest when he says he's enjoying working with Jerry.

And eventually Jerry has plans to hand the team over to his son but that may end up like the Redskins deal; I don't know. Remember that owner died and his family couldn't afford to keep the team. Jack Kent Cooke I think was his name. Maybe it's different in Texas with the estate taxes and all. I don't know how that works.

BornOrange
08-19-2004, 05:10 PM
I also think Coach Parcells is being honest when he says he's enjoying working with Jerry.

Parcells is honest when his lips aren't moving.

For references ask the Jets, Patriots, and Buccaneers about Parcells and his level of honesty.

WWJD
08-19-2004, 05:24 PM
He has quit jobs. He has put people out. Made some enemies of owners and I guess players and certainly some fans.

But he's one coach that many players like to play for and want to play for. So who knows? Lots of people don't like Jimmy Johnson either but to others he's a wonderful person.

I've always liked the guy even though I realize he's burned bridges.

Same with Deion. I know alot of people here don't like him and that's fine but I've always liked the guy back even when he was a Falcon.

But certainly I can see why some people don't like Coach Parcells. I understand that completely.

TheOgre
08-19-2004, 05:48 PM
Only firing I can recall after a good year of coaching happened to Bum Phillips.

Depends on what you consider a good year of coaching. Tony Dungy took the Buccaneers to the playoffs his last year. In fact, he was the one that turned around the image of the team.

worgl
08-19-2004, 06:57 PM
and your still wrong on the decade thing. Playing in 2002, 2006, and 2010 means we play them THREE times in the first decade.


I would like to add that we might not play the Cowboys in 2010. The current scheduling rotation was voted on and approved by the owners through 2009. They voted to go through one 8-year cycle of each team playing each opposing conference team once home and once away.

Because the current rotation system is only guaranteed through 2009, we will play the Cowboys in 2010 only if the owners vote to extend the current rotation system or if another system is implemented that would include the Cowboys as an opponent in 2010.

BornOrange
08-19-2004, 08:05 PM
I think the only way the current scheduling system gets changed is if there is expansion. This system makes so much sense, is simple to figure out, and is equitable. Under this system, you don't have scheduling anomalies like Dallas not visiting Green Bay after the Ice Bowl (1967 season) until sometime in the late 90's.