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Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 02:27 AM
Can be viewed for free at http://www.scoutsnotebook.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=151, but it is a paysite to join. Thanks.



Round 1

1. Houston- Reggie Bush, RB USC
2. New Orleans- Matt Leinart, QB USC
3. Tennessee- Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
4. NY Jets- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
5. Green Bay- Mario Williams, DE NC State
6. San Francisco- AJ Hawk, LB Ohio State
7. Oakland- Vince Young, QB Texas
8. Buffalo- Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
9. Detroit- Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona- Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
11. St.Louis- Tye Hill, CB Clemson
12. Cleveland- Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
13. Baltimore- Ernie Sims, OLB Florida State
14. Philadelphia- Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida State
15. Atlanta- Jimmy Williams, CB VaTech
16. Miami- Winston Justice, LT USC
17. Minnesota- DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
18. Dallas- Bobby Carpenter, OLB Ohio State
19. San Diego- Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
20. Kansas City- Chad Jackson, WR Florida
21. New England- D'Qwell Jackson, ILB Maryland
22. Denver(f/Was)- Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
23. Tampa Bay- Marcus McNeill, OT Auburn
24. Cincinnati- Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
25. NY Giants- Jason Allen, CB Tennessee
26. Chicago- Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
27. Carolina- Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
28. Jacksonville- Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
29. Denver- Claude Wroten, DT LSU
30. Indianapolis- LenDale White, RB USC
31. Seattle- Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
32. Pittsburgh- Manny Lawson, OLB NC State

Round 2

33. Houston- Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
34. New Orleans- DeMeco Ryans, OLB Alabama
35. NY Jets- Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida State
36. Green Bay- Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
37. Oakland- Darnell Bing, SS USC
38. San Francisco- Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
39. Tennessee- Eric Winston, OT Miami
40. Detroit- Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
41. Arizona- Jonathan McCargo, DT NC State
42. Buffalo- Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
43. Cleveland- Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
44. Baltimore- Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
45. Philadelphia- Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon
46. St.Louis- Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
47. Atlanta- Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
48. Minnesota- Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
49. Dallas- Anthony Smith, FS Syracuse
50. San Diego- Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
51. Miami- Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
52. New England- Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin
53. Washington- Max Jean-Gilles, OG Georgia
54. Kansas City- Charlie Whitehurst, QB Clemson
55. Cincinnati- Greg Blue, SS Georgia
56. NY Giants- Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
57. Chicago- Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
58. Carolina- Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
59. Tampa Bay- Rocky McIntosh, OLB Miami
60. Jacksonville- Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
61. Denver- Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
62. Indianapolis- Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma
63. Seattle- Joseph Addai, RB LSU
64. Pittsburgh- Brandon Marshall, WR UCF

Round 3

65. Houston- Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
66. Houston(f/NO)- Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU
67. Green Bay- Rob Sims, OG Ohio State
68. San Francisco- Dominique Byrd, TE USC
69. Oakland- Gabe Watson, DT Michigan
70. Buffalo(f/Ten)- Jonathan Lewis, DT VaTech
71. NY Jets- Kevin Boothe, OL Cornell
72. Arizona- Charles Gordon, CB Kansas
73. Buffalo- Travis Wilson, WR Oklahoma
74. Detroit- Abdul Hodge, MLB Iowa
75. New England(f/Bal)- Richard Marshall, CB Fresno State
76. Philadelphia- Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
77. St.Louis- Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
78. Cleveland- Kai Parham, ILB Virginia
79. Atlanta- Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
80. Dallas- Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
81. San Diego- DeMario Minter, CB Georgia
82. Miami- Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford
83. Minnesota- Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
84. Washington- Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan
85. Kansas City- Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
86. New England- Will Blackmon, WR Boston College
87. NY Giants- Jesse Mahelona, DT Tennessee
88. Chicago- Joel Klopftenstein, TE Colorado
89. Carolina- Mike Hass, WR Oregon State
90. Tampa Bay- Orien Harris, DT Miami
91. Cincinnati- Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
92. Jacksonville- David Pittman, CB Northwestern State
93. Denver- Pat Watkins, FS Florida State
94. Indianapolis- Devin Hester, ATH Miami
95. Seattle- Will Montgomery, OG VaTech
96. Pittsburgh- Jahmile Addae, FS WVU

D-ReK
03-03-2006, 02:37 AM
I really doubt Hali and Cromartie are available where you have them slated, but I'll take them...I'm not a fan of the Whitworth pick, as I don't believe he'll fit a zone scheme, but other than that, good picks...

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 02:45 AM
I really doubt Hali and Cromartie are available where you have them slated, but I'll take them...I'm not a fan of the Whitworth pick, as I don't believe he'll fit a zone scheme, but other than that, good picks...

Cromartie has barely played a season of football since he was in High School. Could he be a 2nd round pick? Sure. Will he be? Certainly not definite.

Between myself and the Penn State fan I run our site with we both agreed Tamba is a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect. Strong at the POA, plays under control and has a variety of ways to get to the QB, but lacks ideal speed or athleticism. Watch him and you can easily see his lack of COD ability. Nearly needs to come to complete stops when changing direction. This is from watching at least 20 games of Hali on my own over the years. We'll see his times at his ProDay coming up soon. If they're what I expect them to be, it's likely he could be around for the Texans.

Whitworth looked very good this season, then terrible at the Shrine Game and then great at the combine. Very confusing. If you can find me a Tackle you think would be better for Kubiak's system in the 3rd round I'll give you two cookies.:) While I agree he isn't ideal, not alot of guys in that range. He ran well and showed good mobility in position drills in Indy.

D-ReK
03-03-2006, 04:03 AM
Cromartie has barely played a season of football since he was in High School. Could he be a 2nd round pick? Sure. Will he be? Certainly not definite.

Between myself and the Penn State fan I run our site with we both agreed Tamba is a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect. Strong at the POA, plays under control and has a variety of ways to get to the QB, but lacks ideal speed or athleticism. Watch him and you can easily see his lack of COD ability. Nearly needs to come to complete stops when changing direction. This is from watching at least 20 games of Hali on my own over the years. We'll see his times at his ProDay coming up soon. If they're what I expect them to be, it's likely he could be around for the Texans.

Whitworth looked very good this season, then terrible at the Shrine Game and then great at the combine. Very confusing. If you can find me a Tackle you think would be better for Kubiak's system in the 3rd round I'll give you two cookies.:) While I agree he isn't ideal, not alot of guys in that range. He ran well and showed good mobility in position drills in Indy.

It is true that Cromartie doesn't have a lot of starting experience and is coming off of a major injury, but he has an amazing size/speed ratio (6-2, 4.41), and he's very good in coverage...It's hard for me to believe that a guy like Stanford Routt is worth an early 2nd, but Cromartie isn't...

As for Hali, I honestly doubt he'll be a 12 sack per year guy, but he is the best LE in the draft (depending on your views owhere Super Mario will play in the NFL)...I could see a team like Denver, Philly, Atlanta, or KC investing a first in Hali...If he's there at 33, I'm all for taking him, providing there isn't a superior OL on the board there...

Whitworth is probably the best fit for a zone scheme out of the OTs you have going in the 3rd, but that doesn't mean he's a good fit...It simply means that he is better than the alternative...If we were going to go OL here, I'd throw a vote in for Setterstrom then hope for Eslinger in the 4th...Our interior OL is of more concern to me than our tackles are...

Maddict5
03-03-2006, 06:27 AM
i like a good few of the picks but theres a few other that dont make much sense to me- philly taking another DT- i think they'll go WR in the first
KC will def. go CB especially after yesterday
Why is cedric griffin rated so high and isee the bears taking lewis or pope(and cromartie is a sure-fire first rounder to me- ran a 4.39 at the combine 6'2, showed he was nearly over his injury, showed he was able to cover well before his injury)

nunusguy
03-03-2006, 06:56 AM
I dunno.......but I'm thinking this was like the most accurate mock of them
all last year in being the predictor of the first round picks on Draft Day ? So
if they say the Penn State DE is still on the Board in the second round, I'm
hopeful that's the reality in this Aprils Draft. Of course, maybe they know something about his downside that the rest of us don't ?

thunderkyss
03-03-2006, 07:06 AM
I wonder.......... it's not only this mock, but mock's from all the most watched mocks, the more credible mocks have us taking a RB in the first round.... then in the second something like this mock(a DE) and not addressing the OLine till the third or later rounds........

Is this "We need to address this OLine" thing a figment of our imagination?? Is it just something we "talk" about on message boards or what??

YoungTexanFan
03-03-2006, 07:47 AM
I'm very interested in how you have Ko Simpson falling that far and us not taking him. I was just wondering out of curiosity. Do you believe other DB's passed him up or team needs have changed? Thats quite a drop actually for him, but I wouldn't complain if he fell to #33. I just want to know your reasoning please.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 09:19 AM
i like a good few of the picks but theres a few other that dont make much sense to me- philly taking another DT- i think they'll go WR in the first
KC will def. go CB especially after yesterday
Why is cedric griffin rated so high and isee the bears taking lewis or pope(and cromartie is a sure-fire first rounder to me- ran a 4.39 at the combine 6'2, showed he was nearly over his injury, showed he was able to cover well before his injury)

Ah yes, Philadelphia taking another DT. Thank you for bringing my team up so I can have some fun...:)

Hollis Thomas is a goner in Philadelphia. First, he hasn't had a sack since 2000. That's a bad sign in a 1gap scheme. Two, I happen to know his family personally. He's wanted out for some time now.

Paul Grasmanis will very likely be cut as well.

That leaves Mike Patterson, Darwin Walker who has underacheived for years since signing an extension and a rotational backup in Sam Rayburn.

Philly will certainly look DT very, very early. You have to understand Andy Reid and Tom Heckert's draft philosophy. Core positions. QB, DL, OL, DB. They value those guys over any other at all costs.

I'd say it's more then likely they'll go DL in the 1st round.

They could go after Santonio Holmes to play X receiver, but from all I've heard from our sources they'll look to address the position in free agency.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 09:21 AM
I wonder.......... it's not only this mock, but mock's from all the most watched mocks, the more credible mocks have us taking a RB in the first round.... then in the second something like this mock(a DE) and not addressing the OLine till the third or later rounds........

Is this "We need to address this OLine" thing a figment of our imagination?? Is it just something we "talk" about on message boards or what??

A little bit of both probably. My top picks for you guys at that spot were Eric Winston, Ko Simpson, Darryl Tapp and Tamba Hali.

We went BPA and gave Houston Hali. I could see an OT as well obviously, but I wouldn't take a lesser rated player just because my team needed it.

I wouldn't pass on Reggie Bush, BUT if Houston could trade down and still land Ferguson it would obviously be a great selection.

I have D'Brickashaw as my 2nd rated player in the draft actually.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 09:26 AM
I'm very interested in how you have Ko Simpson falling that far and us not taking him. I was just wondering out of curiosity. Do you believe other DB's passed him up or team needs have changed? Thats quite a drop actually for him, but I wouldn't complain if he fell to #33. I just want to know your reasoning please.

I go back and forth on Ko Simpson. Personally, I wouldn't take him over guys like Donte Whitner and Daniel Bullocks, however as I see Bullocks as a SS in most schemes he wouldn't fit into the equation here.

One thing to keep in mind is that Safety is NOT the most sought after position in the draft. Guys like Gibril Wilson, Adrian Wilson and Madieu Williams are some of the best young Safeties in the NFL and were not 1st round picks.

Brian Dawkins is the best FS in the NFL in my opinion and was a very late 2nd rounder. Rodney Harrison was a 5th rounder.

I could see Ko going higher, but that's where we have him as of now. Again, we focus on drafting BPA rather then by need.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 09:29 AM
I dunno.......but I'm thinking this was like the most accurate mock of them
all last year in being the predictor of the first round picks on Draft Day ? So
if they say the Penn State DE is still on the Board in the second round, I'm
hopeful that's the reality in this Aprils Draft. Of course, maybe they know something about his downside that the rest of us don't ?

Thanks for the kind words.:)

I love Tamba Hali. Great kid. Tough kid. Great motor. Hell of a football player. The concern with Tamba comes back to his athleticism as I mentioned. He's a guy we spent alot of extra time watching for an Eagle's target in the 1st round and came away with concerns on his COD, speed and burst.

Think he'll be a productive player, but there are concerns.

As we get closer to the draft I'll have a better idea.

As always, I'll obviously post our final mock right before the draft. We're usually pretty accurate.

Errant Hothy
03-03-2006, 09:30 AM
I'm good with Reggie in the first, and am all over Cromatrie in the third. Its the 2nd round and second third I have issues with.

For the 2nd rounder I'd take teh following before Hali:
DeMeco Ryans, OLB Alabama
Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida State
Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
Darnell Bing, SS USC
Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
Eric Winston, OT Miami
Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
Daniel Bullocks, S Nebraska
Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
Daryn Colledge, OT Boise State
Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
Rocky McIntosh, OLB Miami
Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma

As for the second third:

Dominique Byrd, TE USC
Gabe Watson, DT Michigan - would be a steal here
Abdul Hodge, MLB Iowa
Richard Marshall, CB Fresno State
Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
Kai Parham, ILB Virginia
Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
DeMario Minter, CB Georgia
Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
Joel Klopftenstein, TE Colorado
Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
David Pittman, CB Northwestern State
Pat Watkins, FS Florida State
Devin Hester, ATH Miami
Jahmile Addae, FS WVU

Lots of good value in the third round of this mock, so much that if it really breaks this way I'd like to see the Texans trade up for another pick in the third.

wags
03-03-2006, 09:31 AM
Greg Blue in the second, and ahead of Leonard Pope. Wow. I guess the Cincinatti GM is trying to get fired.

Vinny
03-03-2006, 10:09 AM
I like the picks. I'm still hoping we take Young and take this franchise in another direction offensively, but sans that I'd take this draft right now. Hali has a bit of a William Fuller feel to him. Not ideal sized, but a high motor, uses leverage well plays with great urgency, and explodes to the QB in space. He would instantly be our best pass rusher. The 3rd round is too good to be true.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 07:00 PM
Greg Blue in the second, and ahead of Leonard Pope. Wow. I guess the Cincinatti GM is trying to get fired.

So, you're under the thought process that the Bengals should pass up a SS to draft two TEs in a row with Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope?:rolleyes:

Bubbajwp
03-03-2006, 07:38 PM
So, you're under the thought process that the Bengals should pass up a SS to draft two TEs in a row with Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope?:rolleyes:
ouch.

beerlover
03-03-2006, 07:42 PM
Whitworth looked very good this season, then terrible at the Shrine Game and then great at the combine. Very confusing. If you can find me a Tackle you think would be better for Kubiak's system in the 3rd round I'll give you two cookies.:) While I agree he isn't ideal, not alot of guys in that range. He ran well and showed good mobility in position drills in Indy.

Like your Mock draft, well thought out @ addressing team needs. :thumbup

concerning Whitworth its a good selection, one I'm not going to agrue with. I will however add (since I've made my HoustonTexans Mock draft selection) Kevin Boothe to the discussion. I'm really impressed with his upside & intelligence and Boothe is ready to start @ LG now and in the future could be a starting RT for a good run zone blocking scheme. Its so hard to gauge how high his ceiling will be given the level of competition he faced but an intriquing prospect none the less. :)

big homey
03-03-2006, 08:01 PM
I've never heard anything about Jonathan McCargo, yet you have him in the second round. Did he really just escape everyone's sight?

travfrancis
03-03-2006, 09:14 PM
really good mock

i don't like the whitworth pick though, i don't think he fits the zone blocking scheme very well, eslinger would be a better pick there in my opinion.

phantom17
03-03-2006, 10:48 PM
i JUST TRUST Kubes & Co. to draft the best player available! Anyway nice mock!:)

wags
03-03-2006, 10:49 PM
So, you're under the thought process that the Bengals should pass up a SS to draft two TEs in a row with Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope?:rolleyes:

Nope. Here I'll make it crystal clear. Greg Blue is terrible and if anyone drafts him on the first day they haven't watched many Georgia games. The fact that you have him going ahead of Pope, regardless of what team, is crazy to me(someone who has watched many a Georgia game).

I don't think I left any wiggle room for misinterpretation this time.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 10:50 PM
I've never heard anything about Jonathan McCargo, yet you have him in the second round. Did he really just escape everyone's sight?

Two things...

First, if you haven't heard of him have you been listening? Not being mean, being serious. He's been talked about alot lately at the combine. Might have just missed it. Not many people are as sick and demented as I am with watching football all the time. Even drills are exciting to me.:yahoo:

Second, he is a bit overlooked by alot of people because he declared very, very late and is a Junior. He was also grossly overshadowed by Mario Williams and Manny Lawson for obvious reasons.

Mayock has him as a 1st rounder. That doesn't mean anything, but just citing another guy.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 10:55 PM
Nope. Here I'll make it crystal clear. Greg Blue is terrible and if anyone drafts him on the first day they haven't watched many Georgia games. The fact that you have him going ahead of Pope, regardless of what team, is crazy to me(someone who has watched many a Georgia game).

I don't think I left any wiggle room for misinterpretation this time.

Perhaps explaining what you mean the first time would have behoved you huh?

Greg is terrible? I guess NFL scouts, personnel and GMs all are missing something that you've seen given that he was invited to the Senior Bowl. If you want to incorporate hyperbole into football that's your bag. I'm certainly not going to call a kid terrible because he struggles in coverage. He's one of the most physical safeties to come out in years. Marvin Lewis uses his SS like a 4th LB. Coverage isn't the big point with him.

Was Thomas Davis a "terrible player" too? Better athlete then Greg, but same concerns with coverage. Was Michael Lewis a "terrible player" out of Colorado? How about Roy Williams? Just checking.

I have Greg Blue as a 3rd round player. I've spoken to people in the scouting community that have him anywhere from the 2nd to the 4th round.

Maybe they're all *****s. Who knows.

wags
03-03-2006, 11:21 PM
Perhaps explaining what you mean the first time would have behoved you huh?

Yes.

Greg is terrible? I guess NFL scouts, personnel and GMs all are missing something that you've seen given that he was invited to the Senior Bowl.

Fred Gibson was invited as well, now he's out of the league.

Was Thomas Davis a "terrible player" too?

Nope. Anyone who think Davis and Blue are close to the same football player is mistaken. They may have the same "concerns" but Davis is clearly the better player.

I am not trying to rip your whole mock I just have strong feelings toward Georgia players and I feel many people haven't actually seen these guys play.

Matt_Alkire
03-03-2006, 11:48 PM
wags,

I understand you weren't and my goal isn't go get into arguments over a mock draft. It's how you came off there while not explaining your point. I also absolutely hate hyperbole when talking about football players.

I've watched quite a bit of Georgia. Just to let you know as I get the feeling you may not know our process, I watch roughly 40-60 hours of tape a week along with our other writer. It's long and tedious, but I'm sick enough to love doing it.

I agree with you on Greg Blue in alot of respects. First of all, he's clearly not the athlete Thomas Davis is. That's more then obvious. While Greg is a huge hitter, I also don't think he's as physical as Davis was. Thomas was an absolute beast for UGA. My point is that players always have concerns. I can remember having a conversation with a very well known writer about Thomas Davis before the draft. Thought he was a 2nd day guy at best with his coverage problems. I thought he was absolutely insane and/or smoking copious amounts of ganga. Different people see different things.

When I look at Greg Blue I see a physical guy that has alot going for him. I also tend to think he may make a better WIL then Safety. Thomas Davis is a waste at Safety to me. Not because he can't do it, but because he just has the LB mentally. Hurt everyone and take no prisoners. I don't see Greg as quite like that, but he's certainly close in the hitter department. My main concern is that he really, really struggles in coverage. I could see some teams having Greg as a 2nd rounder and some having him as a 5th rounder. His value will most likely be all over the place. With the Bengals, Marvin Lewis has said over and over again that they need a SS to come in and be a presence against the run. They brought in Ifeanyi Ohalete who is known for poor coverage and physical run stopping for that very reason. He's only an average player though and a stopgap. Didn't work out very well. Greg Blue fits what THEY look for in a SS.

Again, we look at what the team may do, not what we like. If I'm running a team, Greg Blue isn't a 1st day SS prospect. That's me though and last I checked, I don't own one unfortunately.:crying:

Fred Gibson? C'mon. People are invited to the Senior Bowl because these teams think they're some of the best players in the country. That has nothing to do with where they're ultimately drafted alot of the time. Some kids get to the Senior Bowl and don't do well hence, the drop in draft status. You know these things, but I'm just making a point. Are we going to case by case basis the failures and success stories that were invited over the past 10 years here? LOL.

I'm not nearly as high on Leonard Pope as you are. With all schemes aside, I'd take Davis, Fasano and perhaps even Lewis over Pope. For all of his size I have alot of questions about his ability to create seperation.

I always remember the Auburn game of this year with Pope as a prime example to me of this concern. Auburn lines up in a Double Eagle Bear set with Antarrious Willliams lined up in press coverage on Pope at the LOS. Williams is physical with him across the field, runs stride for stride with him and then outjumps Pope to nearly intercept a Shockley pass. Antarrioius is 5'11", Leonard is 6'7". That's just one incident, but indicative of what I saw in Pope alot this year.

His blocking is very good in my opinion. Body catches a bit much for my tastes, but in his defense he had to adjusts to so many balls from Shockley that I can't fault him entirely for that. Still, doesn't look to have natural hands. Then again, neither does Terrell Owens. Timed well at the combine, but I don't see that speed on the field. Perhaps it's because he's playing in the best conference in college football.

Now, depending on the team I could see him going extremely high in the 2nd round.

Lastly, every year TEs slide. I remember wanting so badly for Jason Witten to fall to the Eagle's pick in 2003 even though we had been told by numberous sources they would definitely draft LJ Smith. Well, we did draft Smith and Witten didn't go until the 3rd round. There were ALOT of people who had Witten as high as the end of the 1st.

Last year in my mocks I had Aaron Rodgers going to the Packers at 24 for a month straight. People made fun of that for weeks. Then draft day came....

Basically, I agree that Pope is the BETTER PROSPECT, but that doesn't always mean alot at the draft.

Hopefully we're fully understand each other now bro.:)

Eyeguy
03-04-2006, 03:39 PM
If the Texans traded #1 to tenn. for #3, #39, #99, & 2007 3rd round. ( draft value chart = aprox. 3000pts. each)

Lets say for fun that tenn. and NO draft a QB

Using this mock draft,
HOW ABOUT THIS !!!!!!!!!!!

#3 Bush RB
#33 Hali DE
#39 Winston OT
#65 Cromartie CB
#66 Hodge LB

2 of first 3 day2 picks

and 2007 3rd rounder

texman8
03-04-2006, 08:23 PM
Not sure Titans would do this deal. But for fun, my picks would be:
1. Mario Williams DE
2a.Mangold C
2b. Donte Whinter CB
3a.Hodge MLB
3b. Koppenstein TE

Grid
03-04-2006, 10:09 PM
We have opportunities to get both Ko Simpson and Richard Marshall.. i dont see us passing on both of them.

Richard Marshall > Cromartie

YoungTexanFan
03-04-2006, 10:41 PM
We have opportunities to get both Ko Simpson and Richard Marshall.. i dont see us passing on both of them.

Richard Marshall > Cromartie

We shouldnt pass on Simpson.

I dont know about Marshall over Cromartie. I would take Cromartie just because of his potential and his size/speed ratio.

Matt_Alkire
03-04-2006, 10:59 PM
I can't comment on Richard Marshall intelligently enough to offer a solid opinion.

Sorry about that.

I really need to spend time watching him. Have to bust out some Bulldog tape.

Hottoddie
03-04-2006, 11:12 PM
I can't comment on Richard Marshall intelligently enough to offer a solid opinion.

Sorry about that.

I really need to spend time watching him. Have to bust out some Bulldog tape.

Ask & ye' shall receive.

http://www.draftshowcase.com/RichardMarshall.htm

Highlight Video

http://www.draftshowcase.com/RichardMarshall.wmv

Hehe, he even takes down Bush with a shoulder tackle.

sprtsfanatic
03-04-2006, 11:55 PM
Im no guru or anything, but wasnt everyone high on Winston the OT from Miami...now seeing as that is a huge glaring need for this team and him being available for the taking in the 2nd round would/should we pass on him?? I mean afterall da brick and marcus o'neil will both be off the boards by this time....just confusing to me...anyone care to shed some light??

texman8
03-04-2006, 11:57 PM
After his combine, Winston showed he is over his knee injury ; most likely will go in first round.

sprtsfanatic
03-05-2006, 12:00 AM
so how would he be available at the 39 spot and have us pass on him???:challenge

Matt_Alkire
03-05-2006, 01:30 AM
Ask & ye' shall receive.

http://www.draftshowcase.com/RichardMarshall.htm

Highlight Video

http://www.draftshowcase.com/RichardMarshall.wmv

Hehe, he even takes down Bush with a shoulder tackle.

Thanks man, but I need to watch him play in games, not highlights. I have 3 or 4 Fresno State games on DVD upstairs I'll check out. :)

Matt_Alkire
03-05-2006, 01:33 AM
After his combine, Winston showed he is over his knee injury ; most likely will go in first round.

I've heard scouts call him a 4th rounder so, I'm not sure I'd agree at all with you there.

Eric had a very, very rough Senior year. I'd disagree that he's back from his knee injury. Infact, if he is then I would be disappointed as his play was bad at times this year.

Eric is probably a high 2nd round pick. Saying he'll go in the 4th is just crazy to me, but there are a number of people who think that about him.

His sophomore year was awesome. That's where people will look when determining his upside. Again, I see him as a 2nd rounder. Could go higher, could go lower.

Hottoddie
03-05-2006, 02:36 AM
Thanks man, but I need to watch him play in games, not highlights. I have 3 or 4 Fresno State games on DVD upstairs I'll check out. :)

Let us know what you think.