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C Madd
03-02-2006, 07:16 PM
A.J. Vaynerchuck of JetsTV.com reports that the New York Jets have struck a deal to ship defensive end John Abraham to the Broncos in exchange for a first-round pick.

We're in the process of trying to confirm the report.

The Broncos hold the 22nd and 29th picks in round one. Vaynerchuk believes that the 29th pick is being sent to New York.

Our guess is that the Jets might then try to dangle the two first-round picks in an effort to jump up even higher in the draft, possibly as high as the No. 1 overall spot on the board. The Texans could be tempted to make a deal, since it would enable them to snag a guy like tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson at No. 4, giving them another first-rounder later in the day.
I know this is all speculation, and the trade hasn't even been confirmed yet, but I was just wondering what some of you think about having two first round picks, most likely #4 and #29, and what you think we could do with these picks. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Houston add some defense whether it be linebacker or defensive end. I'd just like to hear what some of you think.

rmartin65
03-02-2006, 07:21 PM
That would be tight. Dbrick/Mario/Davis and another guy.

texman8
03-02-2006, 07:49 PM
For our#1 and #66, we should ask for #4 , #29,#36 and 2007 3rd round from Jets.
2006 Draft:
1. Leinert .Jets
2. Vince Young...Saints
3. D'Brickashaw ...Titans
4. Bush or Williams,DE Texans
29.Lewis, TE Texans
33.Mangold C Texans
36.Moss WR or Hodge or Jackson LB Texans
65.Zemantis CB Texans

YoungTexanFan
03-02-2006, 07:49 PM
D'brick/Mario/Davis and Simpson/Hali/Mangold/Winston

Then, we would pick 2 picks later at#33. :redtowel:

outofhnd
03-02-2006, 07:56 PM
Man what is with Denver and Defensive lineman they just keep bringing those guys in...

Trap_Star
03-02-2006, 08:00 PM
For our#1 and #66, we should ask for #4 , #29,#36 and 2007 3rd round from Jets.
2006 Draft:
1. Leinert .Jets
2. Vince Young...Saints
3. D'Brickashaw ...Titans 4. Bush or Williams,DE Texans
29.Lewis, TE Texans
33.Mangold C Texans
36.Moss WR or Hodge or Jackson LB Texans
65.Zemantis CB Texans

There's NO WAY tenn passes on one of the usc guys!!!:brickwall

YoungTexanFan
03-02-2006, 08:03 PM
There's NO WAY tenn passes on one of the usc guys!!!:brickwall

Why not? Brad Hopkins is Older than Moses and his play has declined. They are more likely to take D'brick than Bush. You might want to re-evaluate the their needs before you make such a bold statement.

Trap_Star
03-02-2006, 08:03 PM
I know this is all speculation, and the trade hasn't even been confirmed yet, but I was just wondering what some of you think about having two first round picks, most likely #4 and #29, and what you think we could do with these picks. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Houston add some defense whether it be linebacker or defensive end. I'd just like to hear what some of you think.


If that were to happen we could pick up D'Brick at #4 and possibly Manny lawson at #29. :drool:

Trap_Star
03-02-2006, 08:06 PM
Why not? Brad Hopkins is Older than Moses and his play has declined. They are more likely to take D'brick than Bush. You might want to re-evaluate the their needs before you make such a bold statement.

They might cut travis Henry and im not sure if they already cut billy volek today. they need a qb to take over after mcnair.

texman8
03-02-2006, 08:07 PM
Man what is with Denver and Defensive lineman they just keep bringing those guys in...
Man,after what Pittsburgh's pass rush did on Denver's OL; they should upgrade their OL.

Dr. Toro
03-02-2006, 08:08 PM
There are rumors that Sean Peyton loves Cutler. Agreed, Chow would love Bush and Tennessee doesn't "need" a QB (Volek under contract 'til 2007).

That could put VY or D'Brick in our lap at #4. That becomes a very tough call, with immense pressure to take VY. I prefer the #4 and #29 pick to #4 and Abraham.

outofhnd
03-02-2006, 08:09 PM
What does pittsburgh's pass rush have to do with Denver picking up DL?

Last year all 4 of the browns lineman, this year, John Abraham

texman8
03-02-2006, 08:10 PM
They might cut travis Henry and im not sure if they already cut billy volek today. they need a qb to take over after mcnair.

Heard they are going to restructure Henry. Titans could also take Jay Cutler if Vy is not there....He's a hometown boy (Vandy)

Trap_Star
03-02-2006, 08:12 PM
What does pittsburgh's pass rush have to do with Denver picking up DL?

Last year all 4 of the browns lineman, this year, John Abraham

he means that they should pay more attention to their O-line instead of bring different guys to their d-line every year.

Trap_Star
03-02-2006, 08:14 PM
Heard they are going to restructure Henry. Titans could also take Jay Cutler if Vy is not there....He's a hometown boy (Vandy)

Oh yeah! i forgot about cutler....

texman8
03-02-2006, 08:15 PM
What does pittsburgh's pass rush have to do with Denver picking up DL?

Last year all 4 of the browns lineman, this year, John Abraham
Huhh.........just making a point that Broncos couldn't protect their QB;that's why they couldn't handle Steelers. When you're that close to SB, you can afford to upgrade one position (Abraham for Pryce)

texman8
03-02-2006, 08:18 PM
Hey, battlered Is that your wife or G/F? She's nice to look at.

outofhnd
03-02-2006, 08:53 PM
sorry its off topic but the picture of your female counterpart plus your signature gave me the most horrific visual...

Trap_Star
03-02-2006, 08:56 PM
sorry its off topic but the picture of your female counterpart plus your signature gave me the most horrific visual...

:shocked :hide:

The Preacher
03-02-2006, 08:58 PM
There are rumors that Sean Peyton loves Cutler. Agreed, Chow would love Bush and Tennessee doesn't "need" a QB (Volek under contract 'til 2007).

That could put VY or D'Brick in our lap at #4. That becomes a very tough call, with immense pressure to take VY. I prefer the #4 and #29 pick to #4 and Abraham.

It would be something if last year repeated itself in that we moved down and had the chance to take the beloved VY ala DJ last year and naturally picked DF or MW which is the safe and prudent thing to do would be.

I'm sticking to my theory that Peyton is praising Cutler so we don't take them for another pick which in my opinion is what we should do. In the past if you want the franchise QB (with 2 national championships) you neeed the #1 overall pick and that's gonna cost you. N.O. wants Leinert and anything else they say is propaganda. Plus they have the RT Brown for the lefty QB.

outofhnd
03-02-2006, 09:01 PM
LOL:redtowel:
yeah i heard that saying a long time ago and thought it was funny

Just remember if you do propose to her and she takes some time to think about it.. That is NOT the time to heed the advice...

Im so tired of draft day speculation 60 days before the fact..

BuffSoldier
03-02-2006, 09:27 PM
What if we could go Ferguson @ 4 and Pope @ 29. That would be awesome, and if Pope is gone we could take Kiawanuka who I really dont like because of how bad D'Brock did him at the Senior Bowl, but Brick does everyone like that so I cant hold that against him.

cap1
03-02-2006, 09:55 PM
WIFE!:shocked LOL no we're not married
I'm only 20yrs old! well actually we're on break its kinda hard
me in Houston
her now at Baylor

Long distance relationships are hard. My wife and I went through that for years. If it is meant to be it will work out. Good luck to you.

bdiddy
03-02-2006, 10:42 PM
I mentioned something like this being rumored about a month ago, however, what I heard was we would get the #4, #29, and the Jets fourth rounder (Jets swap 4th round picks w/ the Broncos).

texman8
03-02-2006, 11:14 PM
I see.........maybe we should ask for their 3rd. (Jets) Then ,we could take two of our thirds and move into top 10 of second round.

Corrosion
03-02-2006, 11:29 PM
If that were true , I'd be looking to move up . After having your choice of D-Brick , Hawk or M.Williams at 4 finding a way to move back up for V.Davis or M.Huff would fix some holes ... Both are very versatile players.

Nighthawk
03-02-2006, 11:49 PM
There are rumors that Sean Peyton loves Cutler. Agreed, Chow would love Bush and Tennessee doesn't "need" a QB (Volek under contract 'til 2007).

That could put VY or D'Brick in our lap at #4. That becomes a very tough call, with immense pressure to take VY. I prefer the #4 and #29 pick to #4 and Abraham.

Is there any published suggestion ANYWHERE that the Jets would give us #4 and #29 for our #1?

Tha_Tinman
03-03-2006, 01:28 AM
If that were true , I'd be looking to move up . After having your choice of D-Brick , Hawk or M.Williams at 4 finding a way to move back up for V.Davis or M.Huff would fix some holes ... Both are very versatile players.


No Question, I'm all for drafting Vince! Honestly, I'm losing hope ...but if we're talking about drafting NEED ...AND you're gonna keep Carr ...then you absolutely have to draft Vernon Davis. Bottom line ...you can trade the 1st pick ...get something good back and STILL pick him up.

As far as linemen ...you can pick up a quality guy later. Vernon Davis is the smart, immediate impact pick. We don't really NEED a RB either.

Tha_Tinman
03-03-2006, 02:43 AM
no wonder you want to draft VY
u don't even wanna draft a lineman till the later rounds of course that will give you reason to hate Carr next season cause our line will still be played by sub par players.
We won't know how good Carr's gonna be until we get a capable line, and if it turns out that Carr is a flop then, at least we end up w/ a good line

Drafting VY--> He will get injured playing the way he does and thats why NFL teams like pocket passers because they're true qb's a scrambling qb will have a harder time playing the pocket and will want to scramble=more mistakes/chances of injury(high risk/reward player)

make no mistake he's a great player but a new QB is a the bottom of the texans mind.
if we get a TE like you want and VY in the first two rounds we will be labeled as an underacheiving team great players VY, (TE), AJohnson, DomDavis, and no production cause our line is sux again and again Carr will take the blame

Give him a chance!

Your argument, although well intended, is full of holes! Contrary to POPULAR belief ...our O-Line is NOT really that bad. They are some good guys ...and hell THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS. Let's get serious!

Pitts has started every game for the past 4 years
Brown has a solid background out of Florida State
McKinney is one of the more durable guys in the LEAGUE for YEARS
Weary ...I dunno ...I mean ...I just don't know
Weigart is a BIG STRONG guy and has some great stats

I honestly believe that collectively they take a lot of the heat that should have gone to the coaching staff ...AND David Carr.

As far as your "pocket passer theory". Even the best in the league (Peyton Manning) get shook when you get good pressure on em (Pittsburgh Steelers proved that).
On the contrary, look at Big Ben ...a Big Mobile quarterback (have you seen this guy scramble and make guys miss?) He's been incredible ...and he made an IMMEDIATE impact at the QB position. You take Big Ben ...slim him down a lil bit ...multiply his speed by 5 ...and you've got yourself a VINCE YOUNG!

So, there you have it ...I base my formula for success for Vince and The Texans ...on a system similar to that of The Steelers ...and I happen to believe it will work.

D-ReK
03-03-2006, 04:11 AM
Pitts has started every game for the past 4 years--Pitts is our only good lineman...If we ever settled on a position for him, he could develop into a really good player
Brown has a solid background out of Florida State--ask someone like Jason White how much college success and pedigree has to do with NFL success
McKinney is one of the more durable guys in the LEAGUE for YEARS--Where did you get this from? Along with being a revolving door and possibly our worst starter, he seems to always have nagging injuries
Weary ...I dunno ...I mean ...I just don't know--never really got a chance under Capers...I'm willing to give him a chance, but I doubt he ever amounts to anything
Weigart is a BIG STRONG guy and has some great stats--who is always injured, is aging, and is not agile enough to play guard in a zone scheme...In a perfect world, I could see him starting at RT for us next year, though...

Your argument, although well intended, is also full of holes...See the bolded portions...If anyone thinks that we have a salvagable OL at this point in time, they are sadly mistaken...We need a huge infusion of talent in this area or 2006 will mimic 2005...

YoungTexanFan
03-03-2006, 08:01 AM
Your argument, although well intended, is full of holes! Contrary to POPULAR belief ...our O-Line is NOT really that bad. They are some good guys ...and hell THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS. Let's get serious!

Pitts has started every game for the past 4 years
Brown has a solid background out of Florida State
McKinney is one of the more durable guys in the LEAGUE for YEARS
Weary ...I dunno ...I mean ...I just don't know
Weigart is a BIG STRONG guy and has some great stats

I honestly believe that collectively they take a lot of the heat that should have gone to the coaching staff ...AND David Carr.

As far as your "pocket passer theory". Even the best in the league (Peyton Manning) get shook when you get good pressure on em (Pittsburgh Steelers proved that).
On the contrary, look at Big Ben ...a Big Mobile quarterback (have you seen this guy scramble and make guys miss?) He's been incredible ...and he made an IMMEDIATE impact at the QB position. You take Big Ben ...slim him down a lil bit ...multiply his speed by 5 ...and you've got yourself a VINCE YOUNG!

So, there you have it ...I base my formula for success for Vince and The Texans ...on a system similar to that of The Steelers ...and I happen to believe it will work.


This post made me laugh.

I'll start with your linemen thoughts.

Pitts has started every game for the past 4 years Pitts has been the only consistent starter on the leagues worst line. He has proven nothing more than he can protect a 3 step drop 80% of the time. That is all.

Brown has a solid background out of Florida State Brown is nothing more than a career back up. He is slow, has bad technique, and just isn't very good. THIS MAN IS STARTING FOR US NOW!!!

McKinney is one of the more durable guys in the LEAGUE for YEARS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! He not only has been our most inconsistent guys, he is always having little injuries that effect him. He has been playing out of position because we have NO ONE else!! Even at LG, he is average at best and he is on the wrong side of the hill right now.

Weary ...I dunno ...I mean ...I just don't know Do you realize that he would be a 3rd stringer on most teams? THIS MAN IS STARTING FOR US NOW!!! We have THE two worst starting OG's in the league and yet you list them like you are proud of them. Like nothing can penatrate the middle of our line. :brickwall

Weigart is a BIG STRONG guy and has some great stats Weigart might be our best linemen, but he is ALWAYS hurt and has been a consistant underachiever. He's not great, but he is right at the league average. His stats aren't great, they are average.



Your perception on some of these guys needed some adjustment. You needed a dose of reality to some of that.

Now, I won't go much into the pocket passer and running QB stuff because I have to go soon, but if we look at guys like Michael Vick and Donaven McNabb, they take more sacks than they should because they are moving outside of their protected area. Most LB's can chase down a QB. Granted vick is an exception, but a good contain defense can hold him and has before.

I guess its only fitting that you think Big Ben is a "mobile" QB after this post. :rolleyes:

El Tejano
03-03-2006, 08:46 AM
There are rumors that Sean Peyton loves Cutler. Agreed, Chow would love Bush and Tennessee doesn't "need" a QB (Volek under contract 'til 2007).

That could put VY or D'Brick in our lap at #4. That becomes a very tough call, with immense pressure to take VY. I prefer the #4 and #29 pick to #4 and Abraham.

Oh but it's just want you want if you're the Texans FO. It's a chance to give the fans what they want, and even select the offensive lineman we need in a one shot deal. The only decision after that is do you trade Carr for more stuff or do you keep him and make him earn the starting job.

Tha_Tinman
03-03-2006, 09:18 AM
This post made me laugh.

I'll start with your linemen thoughts.

Pitts has started every game for the past 4 years Pitts has been the only consistent starter on the leagues worst line. He has proven nothing more than he can protect a 3 step drop 80% of the time. That is all.

Brown has a solid background out of Florida State Brown is nothing more than a career back up. He is slow, has bad technique, and just isn't very good. THIS MAN IS STARTING FOR US NOW!!!

McKinney is one of the more durable guys in the LEAGUE for YEARS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! He not only has been our most inconsistent guys, he is always having little injuries that effect him. He has been playing out of position because we have NO ONE else!! Even at LG, he is average at best and he is on the wrong side of the hill right now.

Weary ...I dunno ...I mean ...I just don't know Do you realize that he would be a 3rd stringer on most teams? THIS MAN IS STARTING FOR US NOW!!! We have THE two worst starting OG's in the league and yet you list them like you are proud of them. Like nothing can penatrate the middle of our line. :brickwall

Weigart is a BIG STRONG guy and has some great stats Weigart might be our best linemen, but he is ALWAYS hurt and has been a consistant underachiever. He's not great, but he is right at the league average. His stats aren't great, they are average.



Your perception on some of these guys needed some adjustment. You needed a dose of reality to some of that.

Now, I won't go much into the pocket passer and running QB stuff because I have to go soon, but if we look at guys like Michael Vick and Donaven McNabb, they take more sacks than they should because they are moving outside of their protected area. Most LB's can chase down a QB. Granted vick is an exception, but a good contain defense can hold him and has before.

I guess its only fitting that you think Big Ben is a "mobile" QB after this post. :rolleyes:


I'm admittedly no expert on O-Line. But if what you say is true? Then D'Brick can't help! You've got to admit that David Carr has a LOT to do with a lot of those sacks he took.

And you guys are being way too hard on McKinney. He's missed all of 4 games since coming into the league in 1998! He STARTED every other game. Two of those missed games came in 1999 when he had to have emergency appendectomy surgery! Give the guy a break
And YES ...Big Ben is a mobile QB ...have you seen this guy play? I didn't say he was a speed demon ...but the guy can move and create and he has excellent downfield vision. I think Vince is in that mold ...just faster.

bckey
03-03-2006, 09:28 AM
I know this is all speculation, and the trade hasn't even been confirmed yet, but I was just wondering what some of you think about having two first round picks, most likely #4 and #29, and what you think we could do with these picks. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Houston add some defense whether it be linebacker or defensive end. I'd just like to hear what some of you think.

Most likely the Texans could get pick #34 just by moving back 1 spot to New Orleans and still get whoever they want besides Leinert and even trade back again. I like it better than moving back to #4.

Corrosion
03-03-2006, 09:41 AM
I'm admittedly no expert on O-Line. But if what you say is true? Then D'Brick can't help! You've got to admit that David Carr has a LOT to do with a lot of those sacks he took.

And you guys are being way too hard on McKinney. He's missed all of 4 games since coming into the league in 1998! He STARTED every other game. Two of those missed games came in 1999 when he had to have emergency appendectomy surgery! Give the guy a break
And YES ...Big Ben is a mobile QB ...have you seen this guy play? I didn't say he was a speed demon ...but the guy can move and create and he has excellent downfield vision. I think Vince is in that mold ...just faster.


About McKinney .... I like the guy , think he's a genuine good guy . But I dont like him as the Starting Center for the Texans . His weaknesses there are easy to see . He gets Man-handled at the point of attack on a regular basis . I prefer to see McKinney at his natural position of Guard where his weaknesses can be masked . When D.Hodgdon was playing center and McKinney at guard the O-line looked much better overall......Moving McKinney to LG upgrades two positions . Milford Brown wouldnt start anywhere else in the NFL.(Brown is a UFA and should not be resigned)

On to the subject of Vince Young ..... I'd love to see the guy play for his hometown team . I think he's a tremendous talent and a winner plain and simple .
BUT .... I dont think the Texans can afford to draft him in the first round period . They have far too many other holes on the team to spend their first rounder on a non need position that would likely cost them $9m per year to sit on the bench. There are several impact players at the top of the draft that would immediately step in and help the team.:twocents:

El Tejano
03-03-2006, 11:45 AM
The way I see it is this. You get the #4 pick and #29 pick. From a FO view you now can tell your fans you are taking the best player available at #4. This takes you out of the pressure of drafting VY over Bush or whatever. If Bush is taken by Tenn, you draft Young at #4. If Young falls in your lap, you it was destiny and now you got the man everbody wants. And with the 29th pick in any of those scenarios you can draft a good lineman, leaving your second round pick for a defensive guy or the TE we need that will still be there.

If Young and Bush go before #4 that means that Cutler or Leinhart will be available to you and those are both two very coveted QBs, so you still have the opportunity to trade that pick to any listners or get your Mario Williams to take care of a DE need and still get your good OL at #29.

That leaves you with all kinds of options that you basically still have now but it removes contreversy and it allows you to fill more needs still.

However, taking all that into consideration it makes you realize that maybe the New York Jets will stay right where they are now.

Tha_Tinman
03-03-2006, 02:27 PM
About McKinney .... I like the guy , think he's a genuine good guy . But I dont like him as the Starting Center for the Texans . His weaknesses there are easy to see . He gets Man-handled at the point of attack on a regular basis . I prefer to see McKinney at his natural position of Guard where his weaknesses can be masked . When D.Hodgdon was playing center and McKinney at guard the O-line looked much better overall......Moving McKinney to LG upgrades two positions . Milford Brown wouldnt start anywhere else in the NFL.(Brown is a UFA and should not be resigned)

On to the subject of Vince Young ..... I'd love to see the guy play for his hometown team . I think he's a tremendous talent and a winner plain and simple .
BUT .... I dont think the Texans can afford to draft him in the first round period . They have far too many other holes on the team to spend their first rounder on a non need position that would likely cost them $9m per year to sit on the bench. There are several impact players at the top of the draft that would immediately step in and help the team.:twocents:



So, looking beyond this draft, and even beyond this upcoming season ...How long do you see David Carr being a fit for the Texans. In your opinion ...is he a career Texan?

I don't think so. Now, for the good of the team, I could suffer through another David Carr led season ...but next draft ...I'm gonna be right back on the QB bandwagon. And, if that be true ...then its worth grabbing Vince and paying him the $9 mil to sit.

El Tejano
03-03-2006, 02:37 PM
I agree with you Tinman but what if we trade with the Jets? I think it is a good move because this makes us take best player available.

Tha_Tinman
03-03-2006, 02:52 PM
I agree with you Tinman but what if we trade with the Jets? I think it is a good move because this makes us take best player available.

If we did that, I'd wanna take Vernon Davis. He's ready to suit up right now ...you can just draw the play up in the dirt and damn the playbook!

Corrosion
03-03-2006, 03:03 PM
So, looking beyond this draft, and even beyond this upcoming season ...How long do you see David Carr being a fit for the Texans. In your opinion ...is he a career Texan?

I don't think so. Now, for the good of the team, I could suffer through another David Carr led season ...but next draft ...I'm gonna be right back on the QB bandwagon. And, if that be true ...then its worth grabbing Vince and paying him the $9 mil to sit.


I think the answer to that question is entirely up to David Carr .... How much he improves next season will go a long way twards answering it.
If his ceiling is being a Trent Dilfer type QB ...so be it as long as the team is challenging / winning superbowls.

I'd love to see Vince a Texan I just dont see it happening . Mainly because he would likely sit for at least two seasons prior to being handed the reins . I think the front office and coaching staff are commited to winning sooner than that would allow.

If we did that, I'd wanna take Vernon Davis. He's ready to suit up right now ...you can just draw the play up in the dirt and damn the playbook!


I agree with that .... Vernon Davis is the one player on the offensive side of the ball that would make an IMMEDIATE IMPACT on this team.

edal
03-03-2006, 04:50 PM
Hey Guys, Jet fan from the Gang Green Board. The latest "rumour" is that Detroit is giving their #9 pick for Abraham and our 3RD. RD. pick. There is no way we would give a #4 and a #9 for the #1 but hopefully the #4 and a combination of picks in 2006 and or 2007 will give us the chance to get Leinart.

Corrosion
03-03-2006, 05:07 PM
Hey Guys, Jet fan from the Gang Green Board. The latest "rumour" is that Detroit is giving their #9 pick for Abraham and our 3RD. RD. pick. There is no way we would give a #4 and a #9 for the #1 but hopefully the #4 and a combination of picks in 2006 and or 2007 will give us the chance to get Leinart.


The relative value of those picks combined is pretty close to the value of the #1 .... I posted this elsewhere but Ill post it here as well .


Relative values .....#1. 3000 #4. 1800 #9. 1350 ... The 4 and 9 together equal 3150 . The Texans would probably need to add their fourth rounder to the mix to get a deal like that done .

Here's a link to a couple draft value chart's that are pretty reliable .

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

edal
03-03-2006, 05:14 PM
The relative value of those picks combined is pretty close to the value of the #1 .... I posted this elsewhere but Ill post it here as well .


Relative values .....#1. 3000 #4. 1800 #9. 1350 ... The 4 and 9 together equal 3150 . The Texans would probably need to add their fourth rounder to the mix to get a deal like that done .

Here's a link to a couple draft value chart's that are pretty reliable .

http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp
If it was'nt the fact that we are rebuilding too, that might be the case, but, we can sit at #4 and still get a top prospect QB. You cannot go by those #'s because each year is unique.

Corrosion
03-03-2006, 05:34 PM
If it was'nt the fact that we are rebuilding too, that might be the case, but, we can sit at #4 and still get a top prospect QB. You cannot go by those #'s because each year is unique.


Like I said , those values are relative . I think a lot depends upon how the Jets front office grades each of the top 3 QB's ..... If they have one graded far and away better than the others they may make a move like this .

Casserly has already said they would entertain offers but it will take a "GODFATHER" type deal to get it done ..... The 4 and 9 would qualify in my book. If the Jets want to move up they will have to pay a steep price ... Leinart will go to the Aints at two if the Texans pick at 1.

edal
03-03-2006, 05:38 PM
Like I said , those values are relative . I think a lot depends upon how the Jets front office grades each of the top 3 QB's ..... If they have one graded far and away better than the others they may make a move like this .

Casserly has already said they would entertain offers but it will take a "GODFATHER" type deal to get it done ..... The 4 and 9 would qualify in my book. If the Jets want to move up they will have to pay a steep price ... Leinart will go to the Aints at two if the Texans pick at 1.
Your Right , but, the Texans dont need a QB or a RB. They need a stud LT and a stud DE!

Corrosion
03-03-2006, 05:47 PM
Your Right , but, the Texans dont need a QB or a RB. They need a stud LT and a stud DE!


So what you are saying is you would settle for the third best QB in the draft in Cutler ? ..... Or not get a QB at all if the Texans take Young the Aints Leinart and the Titans Cutler ? All of which are possible , Thats probably worst case for the Jets .

eltoro
03-03-2006, 06:07 PM
Actually, taking Young is not possible and won't happen. I prefer to use our top pick on a player that will be on the field over the next two years. I think he is a great kid and hope he does well in Tenn./Oak.

The Jets are going to have to decide if their top-rated qb is worth giving up two first rounders and a third and/or fourth - this year. The pick is too valuable to settle on anything less than par value. Personally, I would not do it. They can grab Cutler/Young at #4 and still pick up a solid DL/OL/Skill player with the other first round pick...then handle another need in the early second round.

Corrosion
03-03-2006, 06:16 PM
Actually, taking Young is not possible and won't happen. I prefer to use our top pick on a player that will be on the field over the next two years. I think he is a great kid and hope he does well in Tenn./Oak.

The Jets are going to have to decide if their top-rated qb is worth giving up two first rounders and a third and/or fourth - this year. The pick is too valuable to settle on anything less than par value. Personally, I would not do it. They can grab Cutler/Young at #4 and still pick up a solid DL/OL/Skill player with the other first round pick...then handle another need in the early second round.


I dont think for a moment that the Texans will actually take Young , In the above post I was simply playing the part of GM and attempting to sell the trade of 4+9 for #1 .
That said , I wouldnt make the deal if I were the Jets but thats mainly because Im not sold on Leinart . He's a good QB and the most NFL ready of the three but he has durability issues and has probably reached his ceiling . add to that his bad wheel ....and I think he's too risky a pick.

edal
03-03-2006, 08:07 PM
So what you are saying is you would settle for the third best QB in the draft in Cutler ? ..... Or not get a QB at all if the Texans take Young the Aints Leinart and the Titans Cutler ? All of which are possible , Thats probably worst case for the Jets .
There is no way Bush will last till the #4 pick. So I feel the QB who would be there is Cutler. However, I dont know if the new head coach of the Jets, Mangini, would take Vince Young if he fell to the Jets. I never heard any "rumours" that he is interested in him. All I hear is Leinart and Cutler! I think that if the Michael Vick style was more successful, Vince Young would be that much more demanding. Not that he is'nt, but, I believe Mangini is looking for more of a pocket passer.

Mightymike
03-03-2006, 10:23 PM
if the jets traded john abraham to the broncos for #29
and jets gave us #4, #29, #36 for our #1 and 5th round.
mario williams #4, eric winston #29, mercedes lewis #33, abdul hodge #36, #65 alan zematis, jason allen our other 3rd rounder, and greg eslinger in the 4th
wouldn't this draft be awesome

AustinJB
03-04-2006, 03:28 AM
if the jets traded john abraham to the broncos for #29
and jets gave us #4, #29, #36 for our #1 and 5th round.
mario williams #4, eric winston #29, mercedes lewis #33, abdul hodge #36, #65 alan zematis, jason allen our other 3rd rounder, and greg eslinger in the 4th
wouldn't this draft be awesome

Yeah, I would be extremely happy w/ this scenario...I just don't know if the Jets would give up that much b/c they need a lot too. It would be great if they did though.:yahoo:

El Tejano
03-04-2006, 11:02 AM
Well it is a tough decision if they want to trade with us. If not, then you keep your #1 and draft who you want to. I think getting the #4 and #9 or #29 (whatever NY wants to offer) pick is intruiging to us because it makes the decision about Young or Bush easier for us. At #4 you can take best player available and pick for need with the second 1st rounder.

Bubbajwp
03-05-2006, 02:55 PM
This is the best case scenario right now IMO. Texans trade pick 1 and a second round pick from next year to jets for picks 4, 29, and 35

Pick 4 - Mario Williams
Pick 29 - Ko Simpson
Pick 33 - Nick Mangold
Pick 35 - Thomas Howard / Abdul Hodges / D'Qwell Jackson
Pick 65 - Anthony Fasano / Dominique Byrd
Pick 66 - Jonathan Joeseph / Demario Minter or OG Mark Setterstrom