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powda
08-15-2004, 09:53 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/



SHIFTING THE DEFENSE: Capers also announced plans to work outside linebacker Kailee Wong at inside linebacker beginning this week.

The team saw a ferocious pass rush when Babin and linebacker Antwan Peek played at the same time Saturday night. Capers said the tandem are "relentless players."

Moving Wong to the inside is not permanent. The Texans have their top two tacklers – Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman – returning to the position.

Instead, Wong will be more of a contingency plan. The Texans put a league-high 17 players on injured reserve in 2003.

“You have to prepare for everything,” Capers said.

ok so this isnt "breaking news". but it is a continued affirmation of previous sentiment after having reviewed game film. its just a matter of time before wong replaces foreman i think...

BradK10
08-15-2004, 10:53 PM
Again I ask why does everyone assume Wong would replace Foreman? Personally I haven't seen anything from Wong that would reward him the ILB position over Foreman.

El Tejano
08-15-2004, 11:27 PM
I think this means we have 5 really bad a?s LBs and now we get to use one as a utility man. The LB play was awesome last night and it carried over into the secondary.

rittenhouserobz
08-16-2004, 07:19 AM
I love to here this good news. I am sure the depth at DL is going to help also. We need to know that we have a competant backup at all the LB positions. Having Wong learn all these roles is good. I would like to see Peek learn a little about the ILB spot just in case as well. Eventually we will have to replace our ILB's (retirement or FA).

keyfro
08-16-2004, 09:30 PM
texans website had this posted that wong was taking reps at the inside spot moving foreman back on the depth chart...i personally believe this is a great move and a telling sign that peek is ready for the starting role...what do ya'll think?

aj.
08-16-2004, 09:42 PM
I think they recognize Peek's explosiveness off the edge and they want to get him on the field as much as possible.

I think they are giving Kailee some reps inside just in case Foreman or Sharper go down with injury.

I think Kailee will still be the 1st and 2nd down guy at ROLB.

Some will read between the lines that Foreman could eventually become the odd man out but Wong and Sharper's contracts both expire at the end of '05 and I suspect that they would keep Sharper over Wong. I seriously doubt they will be able to keep both.

kbourda
08-16-2004, 10:04 PM
Well I think the writing might be on the wall for Wong. Eventhough he is a good player, I feel he may be out of place in the 3-4.

BradK10
08-16-2004, 10:18 PM
texans website had this posted that wong was taking reps at the inside spot moving foreman back on the depth chart...

Couldn't disagree more. Again, no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.

Vinny
08-16-2004, 10:33 PM
Couldn't disagree more. Again, no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.If you want a random opinion, I’ll give you one. Foreman is not as quick to diagnose a play and he doesn't play the run as well as Wong. We don't use Foreman much in an occasional blitz because he has poor pass-rushing skills. We could start blitzing more frequently out of the Buc if Wong started there. Wong is as good in coverage as Foreman is and can take on NFL Guards better than Foreman has the ability to when they come out to the second level to throw a block in space. Foreman is easily blocked when confronted with solid Guard play.

BradK10
08-16-2004, 10:38 PM
Okay, I'll take that, and assume you know what you're talking about.

I do think Foreman moves better than Wong laterally, which is what lots of teams look for in a ILB. I guess I've just seen Foreman make more plays on the field than Wong, that's why.

Vinny
08-16-2004, 10:41 PM
I could be wrong and I'm not afraid to be, so heck, the bottom line is we have a bit of depth finally. If we didn't, we wouldn't be talking about a possible switch. Most of the plays are set up so that the two MLB's in Caper's 3-4 make the bulk of the tackles. If you insert Wong I would bet the tackles don't increase but he would make more tackles of impact at or behind the line of scrimmage than Foreman is capable of.

RTP2110
08-16-2004, 10:45 PM
no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.

I think this is one of those situations that falls under the "The coaches know more than us fans, so let's trust thier judgement" catagory.

BradK10
08-16-2004, 10:56 PM
I think this is one of those situations that falls under the "The coaches know more than us fans, so let's trust thier judgement" catagory.

I'm not pretending to know more than the coaches, but it's silly with some of you who think because Wong takes some reps at ILB he's all of a sudden the new starter over Foreman. That's my gripe.

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
08-17-2004, 12:26 AM
I know that Peek will eventually take over ROLB spot by the middle of the season. There's no doubt about it but then comes the problem with the buc. Now I know from what I've seen in games and read in this thread that Wong is better in stopping the run and rushing the passer. Foreman has the edge in covering the receiver. But this is what creates the controversy. Surely both Wong and Foreman are NFL starting caliber LBs and they both feel that way, but when one one of these guys will fall in the depth chart I'm afraid that they will be very unhappy and will probably demand a trade.

What do you guys think about this?

Vinny
08-17-2004, 12:46 AM
Foreman is a borderline NFL starter imo (I'd probably rate at least 25 other starting MLB's over him). He would have a hard time starting at most of the other 31 NFL teams, so I'm not sure that would accomplish much (demanding trade). Right now Foreman is the likely starter at the Buc, and if he isn't he will be a first-rate reserve that would see the field in plenty of situations. Someone hinted at this earlier but we will probably see different LB packages driven by down and distance as well as individual match-ups this year. If Foreman or Wong is displaced, either guy will still see the field quite a bet I'm sure. Both guys are pros also, so I don't think they will whine too much about not starting even though they would obviously not desire that development. If we are going to be any good we really need to be this deep at our various position groups so this is really not such a bad thing.

D-ReK
08-17-2004, 01:39 AM
no one here has given one good reason to explain why Wong would be a better ILB than Foreman.

NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE THAT WONG WILL/WOULD BE A BETTER ILB THAN FOREMAN...FOREMAN HAS PUT UP SOME GOOD #'S AS FAR AS TACKLES ARE CONCERNED, BUT MOST OF HIS TACKLES ARE MADE 4-5 YARDS WITHIN THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE...WONG PROVIDES BETTER PRESSURE ON THE QB, HOWEVER, WITH THAT COMES OPPORTUNITIES TO STOP THE TAILBACK AT OR BEHIND THE OPPOSING L.O.S...AGAIN, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS "MOVE" WILL WORK OUT, BUT IT'S WORTH A TRY...

clandestin
08-17-2004, 01:47 AM
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eriadoc
08-17-2004, 10:37 AM
Wong doesn't want to play ILB, if I recall correctly. Turned down an offer from CLE to play ILB so he could play OLB for the Texans. I agree he offers great depth at the position, and I think the team is approaching it correctly, since I don't really see Wong being any better at ILB than Foreman.

BornOrange
08-17-2004, 10:53 AM
Capers said last night on 610 that they were giving Wong reps at ILB so he could step in for either Sharper or Foreman in case of injury. From what he said, they pretty much feel they have 5 quality LB's and that if one of them goes down they want the other 4 playing. He also hinted that Wong would see some action at ILB as a pass rusher, and I am assuming that Wong would be stepping in for Foreman in that case because Sharper is definitely a better pass rusher than Foreman.

Vinny
08-17-2004, 11:01 AM
Capers said last night on 610 that they were giving Wong reps at ILB so he could step in for either Sharper or Foreman in case of injury. From what he said, they pretty much feel they have 5 quality LB's and that if one of them goes down they want the other 4 playing. He also hinted that Wong would see some action at ILB as a pass rusher, and I am assuming that Wong would be stepping in for Foreman in that case because Sharper is definitely a better pass rusher than Foreman.The logical progression is that Wong likely starts on normal down and distance packages at ROLB, when it becomes more of a passing down Foreman will go out and Wong shifts inside and Peek comes in to man the edge. I read somewhere that the Colts will be moving Freeney from right to left this year to create a bit more opportunity for him and for teams to have more to scheme for, so this kind of shifting of our linebackers will likely be something akin to that.

infantrycak
08-17-2004, 11:15 AM
I read somewhere that the Colts will be moving Freeney from right to left this year to create a bit more opportunity for him and for teams to have more to scheme for, so this kind of shifting of our linebackers will likely be something akin to that.

Not a LB comment here, but that seems like a good thing for Wand--the best pass rushing DE in our division moving away from him to take on Wade.

Mistril48
08-17-2004, 06:48 PM
The logical progression is that Wong likely starts on normal down and distance packages at ROLB, when it becomes more of a passing down Foreman will go out and Wong shifts inside and Peek comes in to man the edge ...
I agree with you. I think the Texans want Wong on the field most downs and Peek on the field for passing downs. But I have a question about this rotation. Generally, teams go to nickel packages is passing situatons, meaning that you don't have a 3-4 up front. Does anyone know what the Texans base package is up front in nickel and what does this mean for playing time for Wong/Peeks/Foreman?

Vinny
08-17-2004, 06:56 PM
Not a LB comment here, but that seems like a good thing for Wand--the best pass rushing DE in our division moving away from him to take on Wade.I can't find a link but I'm sure I heard that DF will be moved around the line to create different rushing angles and mismatches. I would assume that he would stay right on top of Wand when he plays us.

Mistril48, I think we will have Peek and Babin drop down and convert to a 4-3 using Smith and Walker inside as Tackles. I'm not sure how much will carry over from last year but I bet we mix in more 4-3 looks in passing downs. In this potential 4-3 look we could possibly have Sharper Foreman and Wong behind them giving us a 5 linebacker front.

Someone who has been watching the practices may have a better clue on what we may be inclined to do in pure nickel and dime situations. I will be looking at our sets during the first quarter this weekend.

BornOrange
08-17-2004, 07:43 PM
On passing downs the NT will come out and the nickle back will come in. Instead of a 3-4-4 look the Texans will have more of a 4-2-5 look. The OLB's will be more like DE's and the DE's will be more like DT's. However, out of that look anyone can end up doing just about anything. The OLB's can drop back into pass coverage. The ILB's can blitz. Even the DE's turned DT (Walker and Smith) might occassionally drop back in a zone blitz scheme where they cover an area and someone else blitzes. Any of the DB's could also come blitzing.

The more flexible each individual member of the defense is, the more unpredictable the defense as a whole can be.

Mistril48
08-17-2004, 07:50 PM
On passing downs the NT will come out and the nickle back will come in. Instead of a 3-4-4 look the Texans will have more of a 4-2-5 look. The OLB's will be more like DE's and the DE's will be more like DT's...
To bring this full circle, in the 4-2-5 look, I guess we think they will use Wong and Sharper as the 2, with Babin, Walker, Smith and Peek up front.

BornOrange
08-17-2004, 07:59 PM
To bring this full circle, in the 4-2-5 look, I guess we think they will use Wong and Sharper as the 2, with Babin, Walker, Smith and Peek up front.
Exactly. And right now it looks like Faggins will be the nickle, joining Robinson, Glenn, Coleman, and Brown.

Mistril48
08-17-2004, 08:16 PM
Exactly. And right now it looks like Faggins will be the nickle, joining Robinson, Glenn, Coleman, and Brown.
I like the potential of that unit, compared to last year.

I addition, I believe the Texans are considering using McCree in nickel instead of Brown.

blockhead83
08-18-2004, 01:25 PM
I think McCree plays in the nickel because he is better in coverage than Brown.

BradK10
08-18-2004, 02:06 PM
Much better in coverage than Brown.

And when we are in the nickel, you'll most likely see us in the 3-3-5.

travfrancis
08-18-2004, 09:00 PM
wow is that really being considered?
starting brown in run situations then bringing in mcree in the nickel?
is that common at all in the NFL? i dont recall ever seeing safeties being swapped out like that before

Vinny
08-18-2004, 09:04 PM
Brown is not that good against the run so it wouldn't shock me too much.

travfrancis
08-18-2004, 09:32 PM
^ brown is not that good against the run? isnt that his strength, i mean he is a pretty balanced safety but i would of though more of a run supporter then a pass coverer

and if he wasnt that good against the run like you say then why wouldnt mcree be the starter since he is better in coverage? or am i wrong?

maybe i misunderstood you

id like to know this information though, because in madden i use the texans online and alter my lineup to the way they have it in real life as much as possible
like i put robinson at nickel and faggins at cb in the nickel package and so forth

Fiddy
08-18-2004, 09:35 PM
I think Vinny meant pass coverage....

Vinny
08-18-2004, 09:50 PM
yeah, I meant to type in pass. ;)