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jjcorvallis
02-26-2006, 10:05 PM
I am personally for drafting vince and trade David Carr.

But I don't think people wants to trade David Carr.

I just want to know why.

Vinny
02-26-2006, 10:06 PM
cap hit...if they were going to trade him they would not have gone with the 3 year re-up.

Bubbajwp
02-26-2006, 11:07 PM
I dont think we could get enough in return for carr to make it worth trading him.

Big B Texan Fan
02-26-2006, 11:20 PM
Well right now as it sits he worth a high 2nd rd'r from someone right now if were trading him for a draft pick. I'm pretty sure we could package him up with someone (Peek, Babin, TJ, Mathis, etc...) and get a low 1st rd'r too. If he has another dismal season then he won't be worth a 5th next year. JMO.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2006, 11:29 PM
Well right now as it sits he worth a high 2nd rd'r from someone right now if were trading him for a draft pick. I'm pretty sure we could package him up with someone (Peek, Babin, TJ, Mathis, etc...) and get a low 1st rd'r too. If he has another dismal season then he won't be worth a 5th next year. JMO.

So we give up our QB, and another young player who is supposed to lock down yet another position, AND we pay his cap hit...all so we can draft someone who isn't ready to start in the NFL for 2 years???

Yeah, that makes sense. :ok:

Napa Auto Parts
02-26-2006, 11:37 PM
the reason we dont trade carr is simple we wouldnt get anything in return for him we might get a second day pick if god blesses us but lets face it who wants a QB who has showed time and time again he cant play in this league hell if i was a gm for another team i wouldnt even consider having carr in my team with drew brees josh mccown and the posiblity of trading for matt chaub all of this better than carr so thats why we cant trade carr. let the negative rating began for the truth:stirpot:

Nighthawk
02-27-2006, 12:53 AM
the reason we dont trade carr is simple we wouldnt get anything in return for him we might get a second day pick if god blesses us but lets face it who wants a QB who has showed time and time again he cant play in this league hell if i was a gm for another team i wouldnt even consider having carr in my team with drew brees josh mccown and the posiblity of trading for matt chaub all of this better than carr so thats why we cant trade carr. let the negative rating began for the truth:stirpot:

I dunno. The Carr-boys here seem to think lots of other teams would be interested in Carr for a late 1st rounder / early 2nd rounder, maybe PLUS a player! I argued this before--since we're not going to win for a couple of years anyway, why not trade Carr and take Leinart/Cutler/Young to build into our QB for future (3rd year out)?

Never got a good answer.

J-Storm
02-27-2006, 05:51 AM
I dunno. The Carr-boys here seem to think lots of other teams would be interested in Carr for a late 1st rounder / early 2nd rounder, maybe PLUS a player! I argued this before--since we're not going to win for a couple of years anyway, why not trade Carr and take Leinart/Cutler/Young to build into our QB for future (3rd year out)?

Never got a good answer.

Because you dont necessarily have to spend big $$$ on a 1st or 2nd round QB and still take the time to groom him. Hopefully the FO has learnt this from the experiment with David, though an O-line would have helped him a LOT!

thunderkyss
02-27-2006, 07:12 AM
cap hit...if they were going to trade him they would not have gone with the 3 year re-up.

The 3 yr deal really makes it more likely that we would trade him......... in the second/third year, when Vince will be ready to play. If we were to sign him to the two year deal, we'd have to be thinking to trade this year, and start Vince this year........ that won't happen. If anything the management is probably thinking they should've sat Carr the first year..... Successfull first year starters are really a rarity over the history of the NFL........

Vinny
02-27-2006, 08:18 AM
The 3 yr deal really makes it more likely that we would trade him......... that's so much bs it's just dumb. No way teams set themselves up to hammer themselves with a nearly 10 mil cap hits a few months later. I see a boatload of dumb comments I don't say anything about floating around here (amazing really)...but jeez...some of this stuff is just stupid.

thunderkyss
02-27-2006, 08:25 AM
If they were to trade him this year, yes they would take a $8 million cap hit. That would be stupid to take the 3 year instead of the 2 year deal, if they meant to trade him this year.

But if they'd rather hang their hat on the VY nail, or even try for Brady Quinn next year, they take the three year deal. Next year, I think he'll only be a $4million hit, and the year after, only $2million........

Vinny
02-27-2006, 08:34 AM
That would be stupid to take the 3 year instead of the 2 year deal, if they meant to trade him this year. The 3 yr deal really makes it more likely that we would trade him.........

Oooooookkkkkayyy :ok:

texan279
02-27-2006, 08:39 AM
If they were to trade him this year, yes they would take a $8 million cap hit. That would be stupid to take the 3 year instead of the 2 year deal, if they meant to trade him this year.

But if they'd rather hang their hat on the VY nail, or even try for Brady Quinn next year, they take the three year deal. Next year, I think he'll only be a $4million hit, and the year after, only $2million........

I think if our front office had any doubt about keeping him we wouldn't have signed him to the extension. What would be stupid is to sign a guy to any kind of deal for that kind of money just to turn around and trade him and probably get no more than a 2nd round pick if that. If our front office was set on drafting any QB with the #1 pick, they would have let Carr walk.

jerek
02-27-2006, 09:10 AM
Read through a couple of days of post history, but essentially, we just re-signed Carr, we eat his entire bonus if we trade him, and he is essentially a four-year veteran of which his only certain skills are:

(a) Can take a hell of a lot of punishment.
(b) Has a big arm

The bottom line is that there are teams who would love to have him in terms of what we would be giving up for what we would get, it just doesn't pay off.

Regardless, Carr has as much upside as any one in the league and we have brought in a coach renown for bringing out the best in his QB. Additionally you are deluding yourself if you honestly believe our coaching and of course our offensive line has been anything more than abysmal, and so while Carr has not lived up to expectations to this point, it is reasonable to believe he can do better with a legitimate coach/supporting cast.

Simple enough?

Bubbajwp
02-27-2006, 09:15 AM
Read through a couple of days of post history, but essentially, we just re-signed Carr, we eat his entire bonus if we trade him, and he is essentially a four-year veteran of which his only certain skills are:

(a) Can take a hell of a lot of punishment.
(b) Has a big arm

The bottom line is that there are teams who would love to have him in terms of what we would be giving up for what we would get, it just doesn't pay off.

Regardless, Carr has as much upside as any one in the league and we have brought in a coach renown for bringing out the best in his QB. Additionally you are deluding yourself if you honestly believe our coaching and of course our offensive line has been anything more than abysmal, and so while Carr has not lived up to expectations to this point, it is reasonable to believe he can do better with a legitimate coach/supporting cast.

Simple enough?
:thumbup

thunderkyss
02-27-2006, 09:38 AM
I think if our front office had any doubt about keeping him we wouldn't have signed him to the extension. What would be stupid is to sign a guy to any kind of deal for that kind of money just to turn around and trade him and probably get no more than a 2nd round pick if that. If our front office was set on drafting any QB with the #1 pick, they would have let Carr walk.


Of course they haven't made up their minds yet..... Especially considering the extension was excersized before the first interview with any player. I think it's still up in the air, I have no idea what they will/will not do. I do know what I want them to do. I'm just saying the 3 year extension means nothing in regards to what they will do in the draft, especially when most everyone believes Vince will need 3 years to be ready.




synergy.

DRAMA
02-27-2006, 10:15 AM
People here need to stop hanging on every word McClain says...even his subliminal comments are against all common sense. He always speaks so matter of factly but is rarely right more than anybody else.

McClain can say that the cap hit doesn't matter at all but the fact is - it does! Carr's cap hit is TOO big for him to be traded this year. It's simply NOT going to happen no matter how bad McClain wants it to. He also says that we can pull a San Diego situation. Yeah, Brees is a FA - that worked out real well for them.

We won 2 games last year and a miracle play cost us 3 more. That's 5 games - we won 7 the year before. We'll be adding Free Agents, a weapon on offense (Bush, Brick) OR on defense (Mario W) and other skill players with our other picks PLUS, we'll be coached better than we have in our existence to date. We're not trading Carr and we're not that far off from coming together.

We're keeping Carr and drafting someone in the top 4 and it most likely is NOT Young even though McClain swears it will be. We're not rebuilding and we're not reloading - we're kinda in the RE-MATRIX type area where we're not sure what's real and what's not....

What is real is that cap hit and we're NOT trading Carr, and as McClain said about Tennessee taking Young (Even though they have 3 QB's and NO real LT and Brick will be there :ok: "You can take that that to the bank!"

edo783
02-27-2006, 09:16 PM
All this "We can Trade Carr and draft VY" is nothing but a bunch of Tsip BS where they keep clicking those Ruby slippers, hoping for the miracle that isn't coming. The kid has question marks regarding his mental ability, arm strength, coachability, ability to read defenses, the type of offense he played in etc., and this is suposed to equal the number one pick in a very good draft class when he isn't even the highest rated player at his position, much less in the draft. It make ZERO sense to do that IMO. Is he athleticaly talented.......HECK yes, but he is a VERY high risk pick with a possible high reward. That ISN'T the type of player you pick #1, that is the classic profile of a DEVELOPMENT pick and one I would do later, but NOT as the number one.

tulexan
02-27-2006, 09:24 PM
I think most of the hype is dying down. People are realizing that Young isn't the best QB in the draft (might not even be the second best) and that the Texans will most likely draft Reggie Bush. Even McClain and Justice are acting less militant and more rational. On Richard's blog he was discussing whether the Texans should pick up T.O. and conceded to the idea of Bush on the team and didn't even bring up Vince. Then today on PTI he said that the Texans are going to pick Bush and that they aren't going to trade no matter what Casserly is saying now.

Tha_Tinman
03-01-2006, 01:59 AM
But the Texans are just adding fuel on to the fire by releasing a QB AND a RB. They absolutely HAVE to replace both of those guys right?

Now we have 2 QB's and 2 RB's ...options ...you can draft both positions with the 1st and 2nd round picks ...and get quality ...or pick up Tim Couch (how did he do in his tryout anyway?) or Josh McCown (who I really like).

Who knows what these guys are gonna do now. If we're going to keep Carr though ...I'm liking the idea of shocking the world ...by trading the pick ...picking up some value ...and drafting Vernon Davis at TE.

thunderkyss
03-01-2006, 08:49 AM
McClain can say that the cap hit doesn't matter at all but the fact is - it does! Carr's cap hit is TOO big for him to be traded this year. It's simply NOT going to happen no matter how bad McClain wants it to. He also says that we can pull a San Diego situation. Yeah, Brees is a FA - that worked out real well for them.
If we do draft Vince(if......) there is no reason to trade Carr this year. Kubiak said he was going to give Carr every opportunity to become succesfull in this league...... So he'll be our starter in 2006.... we don't know what will happen to him after that, but he'll definitely be great trade bait(lower Cap hit, if there is a cap) provided he performs somewhere between where you think he will, and where I think he will.
The Brees thing...... San Diego was pretty much forced into that situation when Rivers held out.... Brees was playing well, and it doesn't/didn't make sense to take him out of the game. I think he went to the ProBowl that year, and San Diego wanted to capitalize on his performance. They Franchised him, meaning if another team wanted him, it would cost them 2 future first round picks..... No-body bit..... & personally, I wouldn't have either. A guy plays well after knowing his job is in jepordy.... I want my guy to play well, because he has pride in himself, and his team. But the thing is, they had two fairly good seasons, instead of what may have been two fair seasons... possibly loosing seasons..

We won 2 games last year and a miracle play cost us 3 more. That's 5 games - we won 7 the year before. We'll be adding Free Agents, a weapon on offense (Bush, Brick) OR on defense (Mario W) and other skill players with our other picks PLUS, we'll be coached better than we have in our existence to date. We're not trading Carr and we're not that far off from coming together.

That sounds good....... your optomism about Carr is higher than mine.. I think we might get a very good year out of Carr for 2006, he knows he has to play well...... but 2007, it'll be back to the excuses.... I personally don't know what drives Carr, but I don't think winning is high on his priority list.

We're keeping Carr and drafting someone in the top 4 and it most likely is NOT Young even though McClain swears it will be. We're not rebuilding and we're not reloading - we're kinda in the RE-MATRIX type area where we're not sure what's real and what's not....
So you're saying we are in some imaginary world, where nothing is as it seems?? Good is bad, bad is good...


What is real is that cap hit and we're NOT trading Carr, and as McClain said about Tennessee taking Young (Even though they have 3 QB's and NO real LT and Brick will be there :ok: "You can take that that to the bank!"

YOung will take two to three years to be ready?? David Carr has a 3 year extension?? seems like a perfect fit to me.....

chuckm
03-01-2006, 08:52 AM
YOung will take two to three years to be ready?? David Carr has a 3 year extension?? seems like a perfect fit to me.....


An NFL team has a limited amount of resources but they want to win football games anyway. Should they ....


a) pay a QB millions for years to sit and learn?
b) pay a RB millions for years to score touchdowns
c) can't tell

thunderkyss
03-01-2006, 09:20 AM
An NFL team has a limited amount of resources but they want to win football games anyway. Should they ....


a) pay a QB millions for years to sit and learn?
b) pay a RB millions for years to score touchdowns
c) can't tell


Limited resources yes, but teams should always have an eye on the future. The Carr supporters think David will be who they think he can be.... I think it really depends on who Kubiak thinks he can be. No one really knows much about David, except that he can take a beating. I'm more than 100% sure, that Gary's evaluation of Carr is far from over.

If Kubiak is thinking Carr is the next Aikman, Peyton, Marino, or something along those lines, I can see a "no reason to draft a QB" attitude. But if he is thinking David can be as good as Jake Plummer, Matt Haselback, or Drew Bledsoe, I'd much rather he either draft the QB of his choice this year. Vince is my choice, he may go with Lienart/Cutler, I don't know. But we hopefully won't be in this position next year, and I'd much rather get a guy you want, as opposed to getting the best that drops to you.

texan279
03-01-2006, 09:44 AM
Limited resources yes, but teams should always have an eye on the future. The Carr supporters think David will be who they think he can be.... I think it really depends on who Kubiak thinks he can be. No one really knows much about David, except that he can take a beating. I'm more than 100% sure, that Gary's evaluation of Carr is far from over.

If Kubiak is thinking Carr is the next Aikman, Peyton, Marino, or something along those lines, I can see a "no reason to draft a QB" attitude. But if he is thinking David can be as good as Jake Plummer, Matt Haselback, or Drew Bledsoe, I'd much rather he either draft the QB of his choice this year. Vince is my choice, he may go with Lienart/Cutler, I don't know. But we hopefully won't be in this position next year, and I'd much rather get a guy you want, as opposed to getting the best that drops to you.


Plummer finished the season with a QB rating of 90.2, went to the AFC championship game, and was voted to the Pro Bowl. Hasselbeck finished the season with a 98.2 QB rating, went to the Super Bowl, and was voted the starting QB in the Pro Bowl for the NFC. I don't think anyone would complain if Carr accomplished any of that.

thunderkyss
03-01-2006, 10:13 AM
Plummer finished the season with a QB rating of 90.2, went to the AFC championship game, and was voted to the Pro Bowl. Hasselbeck finished the season with a 98.2 QB rating, went to the Super Bowl, and was voted the starting QB in the Pro Bowl for the NFC. I don't think anyone would complain if Carr accomplished any of that.

I wouldn't complain.

But if that is the best he can be..... not saying that he will get there. If I were Kubiak, and I'm looking at Carr, and I'm thinking, "if we do this with him, do that with him, and get him to do some of these, then maybe....... maybe I can get him to perform like Plummer.. etc...."

I'm buying some insurance, that's all I'm saying. Hopefully David will be worth more in two years...... Vince won't be worth any less..... well, you won't get two firsts, but you'll still get good value for him.