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AlbinoRat
02-22-2006, 04:04 PM
Say we get Reggie Bush. Does anyone know of any offenses that use two half backs in the backfield. That could take pressure off of carr and open up the passing game, with davis and bush both capable of catching passes and getting yardage.

tulexan
02-22-2006, 05:25 PM
I don't know official names for the schemes, but I know I've seen two back offenses in the NFL.

kastofsna
02-22-2006, 05:37 PM
worked for ronnie brown and cadillac williams at auburn, but didn't work for brown/ricky williams in miami and cadillac/michael pittman in tampa bay

AlbinoRat
02-22-2006, 07:51 PM
I'm talking about having them both in the backfield. At Auburn, Brown normally lined up at wide receiver or somewhere away from Cadallac.

hot pickle
02-22-2006, 09:13 PM
worked for ronnie brown and cadillac williams at auburn, but didn't work for brown/ricky williams in miami and cadillac/michael pittman in tampa bay


I'm gonna have to disagree with you with the ronnie/ricky thing

ronnie-907 yrds
williams-743 yrds
total: 1650 yrds

that's not a bad running game if you ask me

and pittman and williams combined for 1614

so i wouldn't go so far to say they didn't work, and it was brown and williams are both rookies so those numbers would get better next season

Eyeguy
02-22-2006, 10:09 PM
D. Davis at RB and R. Bush and A.J. @ WR on 2nd down will be difficult to defense.

CITY CAT
02-22-2006, 10:23 PM
I know Seattle runs the splitbacks formation a lot, not the same thing though. When Kubiak was in Denver though he used many different RBs, so having Bush and Davis get thier oppurtunities really shouldn't be a problem.

thetexanator
02-22-2006, 11:19 PM
theres already a team that runs the two back offence, ATLANTA. hahahhahaaahaha

tulexan
02-22-2006, 11:25 PM
yeah duckett and dunn

awtysst
02-22-2006, 11:53 PM
Well typically in a two back system you have a big strong powerback and a smaller nimble speed back. See the SuperBowl champion Steelers. Bettis as the brusing powerback and Willie as the speedy nimbler back. It is much harder to run when you have two small backs, or 2 brusing powerbacks.

thetexanator
02-22-2006, 11:55 PM
yeah duckett and dunn
no my man, vick and dunn

Napa Auto Parts
02-23-2006, 12:37 AM
D. Davis at RB and R. Bush and A.J. @ WR on 2nd down will be difficult to defense.


Not really this is the NFL it might work a couple of times but that is it. if its possible to shut down Harrison and wayne and edge and with a great QB at that. imagine our package with a mediocre QB:stirpot:

TXurias
02-23-2006, 12:54 AM
What about in DD and Bush in the backfield in a shotgun formation. Dre and Gaffney at WR with Dominque Byrd at TE.

mancunian
02-23-2006, 01:02 AM
Say we get Reggie Bush. Does anyone know of any offenses that use two half backs in the backfield. That could take pressure off of carr and open up the passing game, with davis and bush both capable of catching passes and getting yardage.

A lot of teams have two RB offenses - but its not very often they have them on the field at the same time.

I still see a need for Moran Norris to be in as a blocker if run play is called as I dont think blocking is the strength of either Bush or DD.


The problem you then have is if both on the field then the opposing defence will automatically set up to defend a pass.

One of the other posts mentioned the Seahawks split backs formation, typically they keep in the FB Mack Strong and use Mo Morris instead of Alexander in passing situations.

TXurias
02-23-2006, 01:09 AM
If u r in a Shotgun formation you can still run draws, sweeps and maybe a few direct snaps to either Bush or DD. But in the I or offset formations u definetly need FB in there..

College Texan
02-23-2006, 01:38 AM
We could run a wishbone offense

Texans Horror
02-23-2006, 07:21 AM
I could see us running the two-back system (two RBs on the field at the same time) if we drafted Lendale White. As far as Williams/Brown, my understanding was that they were not lining up on the field at the same time. They were switching out between plays.

Where it gets cool for the Texans is that DD is already a receiving RB. Adding another receiving RB gives Carr another target. The big question is: will they block?

cap1
02-23-2006, 07:29 AM
Say we get Reggie Bush. Does anyone know of any offenses that use two half backs in the backfield. That could take pressure off of carr and open up the passing game, with davis and bush both capable of catching passes and getting yardage.

Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson.


It worked in Tecmo Bowl. That running game was unstoppable:superman:

TreWardTxn
02-23-2006, 08:58 AM
The closest we'll ever have to both DD and RB being on the field at the same time would be if Bush proves he can play the slot in a singleback offense. All other running formations require a FB that can lead a tailback through the hole...

kastofsna
02-23-2006, 09:52 AM
I'm gonna have to disagree with you with the ronnie/ricky thing

ronnie-907 yrds
williams-743 yrds
total: 1650 yrds

that's not a bad running game if you ask me

and pittman and williams combined for 1614

so i wouldn't go so far to say they didn't work, and it was brown and williams are both rookies so those numbers would get better next season
we're talking about both backs being on the field at the SAME TIME. obviously splitting carries they did fine

hot pickle
02-23-2006, 11:16 AM
ok my bad yall

Mathis13
02-23-2006, 10:08 PM
u could run like a I-form or Pro-form... you could use DD as a FB to run like a fake to him and then toss it to to Reggie... Just my idea

Xman
02-24-2006, 11:22 AM
Figure each team averages about 60 plays a game.
So, figure pulling him in short yardage and after long gains, he gets about 47 plays a game. I break that down:
16 rushes
15 play action/screens - looking at about 5 dumpoffs per game
16 times in motion to the slot (or lining up in the slot) - throw 6 times, give 10 carries to DD (who also gets about 5 carries when Bush is on the sideline)

I think he creates all kinds of mismatches. When he moves into the slot, a LB can't cover him (or he will get burned), so teams will have to adjust out of their normal D to compensate by leaving a 3rd CB in the game at all times, which in turn opens up the running game.

I think he averages 80 plus rushing, 8 catches and 90 yards a game receiving.

Lineup: I would primarily go with 2 sets: a pro style with DD and Bush together or an I style with Bush behind a FB: either of these would work with a TE, a WR and a 2nd WR (sometimes a 2nd TE if we draft one that can catch - c'mon Pope at #33).
I would mix in 3 WR sets occasionally if we get the talent at WR to make it work.

Pro style with DD and Bush together: Half of the time, I would put Bush and/or DD in motion to the slot.

I style with Bush behind a FB (we have a good FB so use him): I like this for running and passing downs (because the FB can run or pass block) because Bush is such a threat either way - a MLB/S can't cover him which means they will need a person on each side of the defense keying on him (or they will be forced to zone which AJ should exploit).

I would really push for a TE at #33 to make sure we have another threat on the field that can also block.

CITY CAT
02-24-2006, 04:25 PM
Let's not forget that Kubiak likes to use about 3-4 different RBs. So to all the DD fans, Davis will still be a vital part to this offense.

texan279
02-24-2006, 07:25 PM
Say we get Reggie Bush. Does anyone know of any offenses that use two half backs in the backfield. That could take pressure off of carr and open up the passing game, with davis and bush both capable of catching passes and getting yardage.

Denver uses 2 or 3 RB's...