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Dr. Toro
02-18-2006, 03:05 AM
Reports out of Detroit, have Rod Marinelli calling Joey Harrington "A great young talent." Martz is saying they are assuming he is the guy that was drafted with the great arm and accuracy.

So for a guy with very similar career stats to David Carr, does it come as a huge surprise he's getting touted by his new coaching staff? Is Carr that much better? The numbers don't bear it out. Maybe Kubiak, et al. aren't that convinced about Carr, given Marinelli's thoughts about a proven loser and draft disappointment.

As an outsider, I laugh at the thought at Harrington being "great"... however, there aren't many outsiders that laughed at the praise heaped upon David Carr. With respect to Detroit, it seems to be nothing but politics... and it wasn't quite the encomium received by Carr. The question lingers, is it politics in Houston too?

mexican_texan
02-18-2006, 03:42 AM
I believe that they are talking about his bocce ball skills. Polo? Piano? Surely it can't be football.:)

Jack Bauer
02-18-2006, 08:31 AM
Martz is saying they are assuming he is the guy that was drafted with the great arm and accuracy.

Well, if Martz said he had a great arm, then it is politics. He does NOT have a great arm and he was NOT the most accurate at Oregon. He completed less than 60% of his passes his senior year. A QB, while in college couldn't complete 60% of his passes, accurate? NO.

I couldn't believe it when everyone kept listing Harrington at the top of the class of the 2002 draft. I think it had more to do with the hype surrounding his outstanding bowl game performance in his last collegiate game. Hmmmm.....that sounds familiar.

Long-Spurs-Texan
02-18-2006, 08:52 AM
What do you expect Martz (or Kubiak) to say? It's no different than selling a used car. Nobody tells people it's a hunk of crap. The problem is our Car (r) never has really run well, and has a bunch of highway miles. These coaches don't want to devalue an investment, or shake their QB's confidence. In Harringtons case, he can only go up IMO.

thunderkyss
02-18-2006, 09:03 AM
Joey Harrington was one of the few players that caught my eye, his senior season. I actually wanted Houston to draft him as their first QB. My brothe-n-law said,"no, they won't draft him..... there's this guy from Fresno state that might get 4000 yards this season, he's even better than Joey"

I'm not too big on college football, so I took his word. If he's better than Joey, then allright.

If Joey Harrington was here, then alot of the Carr :homer: would be harrington :homer:

So many people here believe it is wrong for us to go after the flash every year in a row. Our Coach get's fired, and his ineptitude is proven. Since Detroit finished better than we did, their a better team, or if Joey didn't get sacked 76 times, he has much better protection.

If Carr deserves another shot, so does Harrington.

Jack Bauer
02-18-2006, 09:09 AM
What do you expect Martz...to say?

Huh? Harrington isn't even the true starter on the team. He wasn't number one on the depth chart until the last game of the season. Why would the new regime feel the need to hype "their guy"????

This is a different situation that the one in Houston.

thunderkyss
02-18-2006, 09:13 AM
This is a different situation that the one in Houston.


:homer:

Double Barrel
02-18-2006, 10:40 AM
It's a huge year for both Carr and Harrington. Neither have lived up to the potential they had coming out of college. New coaching staffs should shed some light if they've struggled because of bad systems or because they are just mediocre talents. Only time will tell.

Jack Bauer
02-18-2006, 11:11 AM
Not really. Both Carr and Harrington have been dissapointments and get a new shot under a new coach. Garcia isn't going to be the starter. New coaches come in and these things happen in the NFL and it happens all the time if you have been a fan long enough.

Ask around the league and Carr still has potential and Harrington is a bust. This is the answer you will get. The statements coming out of Detroit are MUCH more political than those in Houston.

F-minus67
02-18-2006, 11:16 AM
Harrington hasn't been able to get it done with 3 1st round wide recievers and an RB who was a pro bowl alternate as a rookie. While Carr has had the worst o line in the history of the NFL, a pretty average surrounding cast and done about the same.

cap1
02-18-2006, 11:20 AM
NCAP,
Welcome to the board. I was going to post the same thing like Vinny was saying, but he beat me to it. Harrington and Carr both will turn it around this year.

Jack Bauer
02-18-2006, 11:43 AM
I doubt anyone here is talking to any coaches and if that is what you believe in your head...fine. That's just so silly to make such statements about things that have no foundation in reality.

I didn't say anyone here was speaking to coaches around the league. This is what I believe. I didn't know opinions weren't allowed. Most of the statements on this board have no foundation in reality except in that person's own mind.

Dr. Toro
02-18-2006, 12:10 PM
It's a huge year for both Carr and Harrington. Neither have lived up to the potential they had coming out of college. New coaching staffs should shed some light if they've struggled because of bad systems or because they are just mediocre talents. Only time will tell.

What you are saying is true, but isn't this what we heard coming into year 4. It wasn't always a foregone conclusion that Carr was getting the gaudy extension, and Harrington looked to be heading out of town. My perception was that for both these guys Year 4 was crucial.

ArlingtonTexan
02-18-2006, 01:14 PM
What you are saying is true, but isn't this what we heard coming into year 4. It wasn't always a foregone conclusion that Carr was getting the gaudy extension, and Harrington looked to be heading out of town. My perception was that for both these guys Year 4 was crucial.

IMO, the thing that helped both of these guys is that there are not enough quality QBs to go around. Here generally are your choices: draft another QB who is going to take two or three years before you have a clue if he is good, get a veteran that you know is mediocore, or hope that the new coaches are able to flip a switch and get them going.

Houston is going option three and at the moment it looks like Detriot is doing the same.

Lucky
02-18-2006, 01:52 PM
...Maybe Kubiak, et al. aren't that convinced about Carr, given Marinelli's thoughts about a proven loser and draft disappointment.
So because you think the Lions new coaches must be insincere in their statements regarding Harrington, Kubiak may well be deceiving the public with his remarks pertaining to Carr. Am I getting this right?

Another post that should be placed in the "no foundation in reality" category.

Dr. Toro
02-18-2006, 02:06 PM
So because you think the Lions new coaches must be insincere in their statements regarding Harrington, Kubiak may well be deceiving the public with his remarks pertaining to Carr. Am I getting this right?

Another post that should be placed in the "no foundation in reality" category.

The situations are pretty similar, at least on the surface. I'm not saying Kubes is insincere necessarily, just that what a new coach publicly says about a young underperforming incumbent QB might not be the end of the story.

ArlingtonTexan
02-18-2006, 08:40 PM
Orlovsky is a sleeper there...I hope. :spy:
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That reminds me, I might eventually have a couple of ideas to throw at you.

Napa Auto Parts
02-18-2006, 08:47 PM
Joey Harrington has been as much as a bust as david carr so far but ithink Joey has a better chance for succes now that he has mike martz if anyone can make him look like a QB it will be martz look and Bulger And Warner. and besides joey has more talent around him offensively speaking.

thunderkyss
02-18-2006, 09:09 PM
Not really. Both Carr and Harrington have been dissapointments and get a new shot under a new coach. Garcia isn't going to be the starter. New coaches come in and these things happen in the NFL and it happens all the time if you have been a fan long enough.

Garcia is a joke... Mariuchi, Policy, and Garcia.......... those three & Bill Walsh. That's what really tore SanFran apart. T.O. was scapegoat. SF was falling apart before T.O. started acting up, and they continued crumbling after he left.

The same thing is about to happen in Philly. Andy Reid has to establish himself as the head honcho, and McNabb is going to reject...... more than likely, the Eagles organization will side with McNabb, and Reid will be looking for a new job next January.

This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I just wanted to get this off my chest. T.O. is not an angel.... he runs off at the mouth, and he's got no class. But I hate how peopl blame the SF fiasco, and the Philly thing on him. Mainly, I think, because that is the way the media presents it. T.O. was always crass.. that star thing in Dallas........ but the 49ers were willing to deal with it, even to the point of getting rid of Rice, who still had three good years left.

Huge
02-19-2006, 12:04 AM
Oh boy, here we go (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=9957&highlight=settle) again.

I will say this though, after this past season, I have given up hope on Harrington. Carr is hanging by a string.

mexican_texan
02-19-2006, 01:58 AM
Orlovsky is a sleeper there...I hope. :spy:

Detroit's fans have a freakier ride than ours do though...but we are in the same boat.
We're both treading over rocky waters, but we can't compare to the Lions. They lose. They just do. The better the team, the closer the loss. At least we have good excuses. They had none in the 90's.

kastofsna
02-19-2006, 01:53 PM
Rogers has like 9 NFL starts....RW has been one hamstring pull after another and hasn't produced like AJ has to date. Jones hasn't been near the back Dom Davis has. The Lions have line problems themselves.
rogers is a bigger bust than harrington so far, roy williams has been inconsistent, mike williams was a rookie who at times looked good, but most of the time looked like a rookie, and kevin jones is also inconsistent. marcus pollard didn't turn out good, and the o-line is pretty awful. harrington will have a good year with martz, although the receivers are going to have to step it up. i think rogers will be out of the league in a year or two, so i wouldn't rely on him

thunderkyss
02-19-2006, 03:41 PM
We're both treading over rocky waters, but we can't compare to the Lions. They lose. They just do. The better the team, the closer the loss. At least we have good excuses. They had none in the 90's.


I think we need to get over this "we have an excuse" stuff, and start playing some football. Nothing against you, or your post. Our excuses have run out, it's time we are taken seriously, and play football.

Ihategeeks
02-20-2006, 12:28 PM
Niether Martz or Marinelli have seen Harrington take a single snap
Martz only could reference him coming out of college.
the new HC didn't even talk to Harrington for weeks after being hired.
The team has asked Joey to take a pay cut.

Oh, and he's terrible. And 4 quality QB's could hit the open market this offseason.
If Martz thinks highly of Joey (not politcal sweet talk) after mini camps, then I'm worried.

Really worried. Harrington can't throw accurate passing in the area of safeties. Lions could be looking at 30 int season with Joey.