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Joe Texan
02-17-2006, 11:42 AM
It was announced last night that P-burnt is going to be a Texan again. Am I wrong or did the Raiders celebrate when we dove into the the big black hole and came out with one of the worst corners in football to replace one of the best corners? I talked with 610 radio and asked what position he would play?
I suggested Fire Starter as he is the master at getting Burnt. Somebody try to convince me he is actually worth a jock strap in trade please.

For those of you less educated I am talking bout Phillip Bucannon AKA Showtime AKA No Time

Doom Capers
02-17-2006, 11:49 AM
Maybe he will get a spark and start playing up to his potential. Hopefully Robinson knocks some sense into him in the offseason. The guy has a lot of potential, it just seems like he is lazy on the field.

Big B Texan Fan
02-17-2006, 11:58 AM
It was announced last night that P-burnt is going to be a Texan again. Am I wrong or did the Raiders celebrate when we dove into the the big black hole and came out with one of the worst corners in football to replace one of the best corners? I talked with 610 radio and asked what position he would play?
I suggested Fire Starter as he is the master at getting Burnt. Somebody try to convince me he is actually worth a jock strap in trade please.

For those of you less educated I am talking bout Phillip Bucannon AKA Showtime AKA No Time
He gets one more free pass due to him being AJ's best friend and all. I'm not saying that is the real reason, just that I see AJ going to bat for him and saying things like :"give 'em one more chance" and "he's better than that" and etc......

Besides Joe, what's the difference. We seem to be in the business of keeping or acquiring poor talent (T. Couch??). We're turning into the Rd 1 Flameouts Refuge of Drafts Past.

Maybe if we're lucky while Casserly is sleeping he will get a visit from Vince Lombardi (the Ghost of Drafts/Trades Past), then a visit from Hank Stram (the Ghost of Drafts/Trades Present), and then a visit from himself in the future in the year 2010 (the Ghost of Drafts/Trades Future).

Ibar_Harry
02-17-2006, 12:07 PM
I believe he is another victum of the ineptness of the previous coaching staff and the schemes they were employing. Even DROB didn't look that good last year. The Raiders coaching staff was not exactly the best in the world either. This is a different year and I think everyone is going to be surprised and I would not write off any player based on the previous coaching staff and the positions they placed the players in. They played schemes and called plays that were dommed to failure. Relax and let the new coaching staff show you what the game is really all about.

wags
02-17-2006, 12:10 PM
I believe he is another victum of the ineptness of the previous coaching staff and the schemes they were employing. Even DROB didn't look that good last year. The Raiders coaching staff was not exactly the best in the world either. This is a different year and I think everyone is going to be surprised and I would not write off any player based on the previous coaching staff and the positions they placed the players in. They played schemes and called plays that were dommed to failure. Relax and let the new coaching staff show you what the game is really all about.

Can you teach tackling this late in someone's career? The guy is a flat out pathetic tackler and I have no confidence in him.

BigBull17
02-17-2006, 12:13 PM
I agree with him getting 1 more year, however we still need to pick up another CB as a safty net. His cap number is really small and with a new staff and mentality he could be good.

Ibar_Harry
02-17-2006, 12:16 PM
Can you teach tackling this late in someone's career? The guy is a flat out pathetic tackler and I have no confidence in him.

As a matter of fact, yes tackling can be taught, but speed can not. Hands can not be taught, but you can help people to learn how to do a better job of caching the ball. PBUC has a lot of physicall assets that have never been utilized. I think he could possibly be one of the real surprises next year. As I have stated, I don't believe anyone has a true idea of how bad the previous coaching staff was. Relax and let it happen.

ledzeppelin229
02-17-2006, 12:18 PM
As a matter of fact, yes tackling can be taught, but speed can not. Hands can not be taught, but you can help people to learn how to do a better job of caching the ball. PBUC has a lot of physicall assets that have never been utilized. I think he could possibly be one of the real surprises next year. As I have stated, I don't believe anyone has a true idea of how bad the previous coaching staff was. Relax and let it happen.

Fundamental tackling can be taught, but usually once a pansy always a pansy. He's going to have to change that for himself, not with coaching.

Ibar_Harry
02-17-2006, 12:22 PM
Fundamental tackling can be taught, but usually once a pansy always a pansy. He's going to have to change that for himself, not with coaching.

Tackling is also a result of enthusiasm for the game. Who was enthusiastic last year. I will say, not even DROB. Wait and see what happens. Like I said, don't write anyone off, particularly when they obviously have above average physical skills.

dat_boy_yec
02-17-2006, 12:22 PM
Can you teach tackling this late in someone's career? The guy is a flat out pathetic tackler and I have no confidence in him.

I would have agreed with you early on in the season when he let someone walk into the endzone without touching him. Now I am not so sure, I saw him deliver a crazy tackle one time that left me with my mouth open. True the technique was horrible he threw his body at him like a missile and didn't wrap up or anything but the fact that he made that tackle impressed me. Learning tackling techniques and hanging out with D-rob will have a positive influence on him I'm sure, but the guy shouldn't be written off just yet.

Vinny
02-17-2006, 12:29 PM
He has a small salary. No surprise he is coming back.

Honoring Earl 34
02-17-2006, 12:29 PM
I think its more of having the mentality of a loser . I'm not sure a pansy could have made it to the NFL .

A losers point of view would be why tackle him their going to score anyway . That looked like PBuch and thats more disturbing than being a pansy .

Bubbajwp
02-17-2006, 12:31 PM
After reading all the posts in this thread it made me think of putting buchanon at WR. I dont know how good his hands are but I do know he is good with the ball in his hands. Im sure most of you would say that its a bad idea and your probably right but why not give him a chance in training camp and see what he can do.

HJam72
02-17-2006, 12:37 PM
When you consider his salary and his physical potential, keeping him is the right thing to do. He could easily still be a bust, but it's worth taking another look at.

Texans Horror
02-17-2006, 12:42 PM
He has a small salary. No surprise he is coming back.

Agreed. There is little risk to keeping P-buc. And if he doesn't look good in pre-season, there's nothing that says we have to play him. But I think like most of the team, he will look a lot better under new coaching.

Frills
02-17-2006, 12:44 PM
#21 didn't tackle worth a damn...but he was one of the best corners in his prime..

PBuc can't tackle (lack of stones), can't cover (lack of smarts)

We turn him into a wedge buster on kickoffs. He doesn't hit there, he doesn't play at all.

Big B Texan Fan
02-17-2006, 12:48 PM
Isn't he from the same draft class as Carr.
Oh yeah, we're giving those guys a free pass.

Frills
02-17-2006, 12:53 PM
Isn't he from the same draft class as Carr.
Oh yeah, we're giving those guys a free pass.

this has nothing to do with Carr

you're obsession has made you ignorant to the Texans...there are 52 other players dressed on gameday that don't play QB

infantrycak
02-17-2006, 12:57 PM
Fundamental tackling can be taught, but usually once a pansy always a pansy. He's going to have to change that for himself, not with coaching.

Often true. But, after getting demoted last year his tackling dramatically improved--I didn't say became great or even solid, but it was a lot better (granted he had a long way to go). Then he got injured. The guy is dirt cheap and is absolutely someone to watch to see what the new staff can do with.

infantrycak
02-17-2006, 12:59 PM
Isn't he from the same draft class as Carr.
Oh yeah, we're giving those guys a free pass.

How about you stop trolling trying to interject a cruddy Carr coment into every discussion? Everyone on the MB is well aware of your dislike for him and you are free to keep expressing it in topical threads but this kind of thing is useless and juvenile.

aj.
02-17-2006, 01:00 PM
Isn't he from the same draft class as Carr.
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Yeah, he was like 5th overall that year.

The only advantage to having him is that he's cheap (in the last year of his rookie deal @ 800k base) and that it's his contract year -- meaning, if he wants to keep on bling'n it he needs to start bring'n it...

Big B Texan Fan
02-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Yeah, he was like 5th overall that year.

The only advantage to having him is that he's cheap (in the last year of his rookie deal @ 800k base) and that it's his contract year -- meaning, if he wants to keep on bling'n it he needs to start bring'n it...
Agreed, sort of

wags
02-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Yeah, he was like 5th overall that year.

The only advantage to having him is that he's cheap (in the last year of his rookie deal @ 800k base) and that it's his contract year -- meaning, if he wants to keep on bling'n it he needs to start bring'n it...

Jammer was 5th, Pbuc 17th overall. Not that it matters.

aj.
02-17-2006, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I just went back and double checked that after I wrote it. Not sure why I had 5th in my head for him. Oh well...

keyfro
02-17-2006, 01:06 PM
hey it doesn't matter...at this point faggins is getting paid more than him so who cares if he stays...he has one more chance to prove something to us...and i wouldn't be surprised if casserly drafted another corner on day one...i'm hoping for cedric griffin...atleast we know he'll tackle

aj.
02-17-2006, 01:12 PM
Just a hunch but I bet we don't draft a CB until Day 2. Aside from the first pick debate, you could probably develop a pretty good case for why the Texans should take OL, TE, LB, DE, and WR all ahead of CB. Free agency should tell us more about what direction the draft will take.

aj.
02-17-2006, 01:14 PM
Well I think he can be good but like Hoke saud he picked up a lot of bad habbits in Oakland. I think it is all in his head and worries about too much while he is out there.
Just Play, dont think "too" much.

You could say that about every player on that defense. That was the biggest knock on the Fangio system going all the way back to Indy, i.e., it required too much thinking/interpreting before reacting.

ledzeppelin229
02-17-2006, 01:15 PM
Despite my tackling comment, I don't have any objection to keeping him around here. Like everyone has said he's cheap and with a more aggressive gameplan there should be less pressure on the CBs. Also if we're coming out of a cover 2 shell much of the time, he might be able to play less conservative himself and go after the ball a little more.

aj.
02-17-2006, 01:17 PM
... with a more aggressive gameplan there should be less pressure on the CBs. ..

It could turn out to be just the opposite. Certain pressure schemes leave the corners hanging badly at times. Smith was already quoted as saying we're going to give up some big plays but we're going to make a lot of big plays too.. (or something to that effect).

TexanAddict
02-17-2006, 03:18 PM
He has a small salary. No surprise he is coming back.

Totally agree. With what little he costs there is no point in releasing him now in the last year of his contract when he can be cut loose for free next year. He gets one last shot to prove himself.

TreWardTxn
02-17-2006, 05:24 PM
I believe he is another victum of the ineptness of the previous coaching staff and the schemes they were employing. Even DROB didn't look that good last year. The Raiders coaching staff was not exactly the best in the world either. This is a different year and I think everyone is going to be surprised and I would not write off any player based on the previous coaching staff and the positions they placed the players in. They played schemes and called plays that were dommed to failure. Relax and let the new coaching staff show you what the game is really all about.

Come on dude, PBuc didn't do anything with the Texans last year that he hadn't done since coming into the league, oh, except actually having one of his coverage gambles payoff and making a positive play. That was his whole MO before he ever put on a Texans jersey. Not having the desire (balls) to hit people is personal problem. I know we were bad last year, but you can't blame the staff for everything.

bckey
02-17-2006, 06:06 PM
He has a small salary. No surprise he is coming back.


Exactly what I was thinking. His salary is like $800,000 or something this year and our dc said we are going to be running the cover 2 defense. Pburnt should do better in a cover 2.

Big B Texan Fan
02-17-2006, 06:09 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. His salary is like $800,000 or something this year and our dc said we are going to be running the cover 2 defense. Pburnt should do better in a cover 2.
Just curious, what makes you think he'll do better in a cover 2?

Tayton
02-17-2006, 06:13 PM
He is cheap to keep but I pray he does not start or it will be a long season. Someone mentioned that they watched tape and the other QBs looked right at him from the snap and threw his way. I saw it all season at the game. Explain to me why we think that Hoke is such a good coach. Outside of DRob and Glenn our Corners and Safeties have pretty much stunk since day one.

YoungTexanFan
02-17-2006, 07:15 PM
He is cheap to keep but I pray he does not start or it will be a long season. Someone mentioned that they watched tape and the other QBs looked right at him from the snap and threw his way. I saw it all season at the game. Explain to me why we think that Hoke is such a good coach. Outside of DRob and Glenn our Corners and Safeties have pretty much stunk since day one.


I also have never been a fan of Hoke. He had some naturally gifted CB's who were very sucessfull their first year or two. Everyone else who was average, got worse as the years progressed.

Keldar
02-17-2006, 11:42 PM
Someone said it earlier in the thread.....put him in at WR. Let him play a slot type who can be an outlet (seeing as we have no TE). If he is so prime time, give him the stinking ball. If nothing else he won't have to sissy slap tackle as a DB.

SESupergenius
02-18-2006, 12:07 AM
ok ok, I know that I said in previous posts that all players deserver a clean slate, what I meant to say was the everyone deserves a clean slate...except Phillip Buchanon. People, Buchanon was the worst LCB in the league last year. He's not going to magically change over night. You can't teach a player the ole', it just comes naturally for him.

And I really differ on the take that CB is not ranked up there as an iimportance like TE, OL etc.... We lost our starting CB and our nickel CB and replaced that with a promotion of a dime back to starting CB. Dunta is good, but he is not at this point on the same level at tier 1 CB's. We need one, especially if we are going to be more aggressive.

Waltman
02-18-2006, 12:45 AM
Someone said it earlier in the thread.....put him in at WR. Let him play a slot type who can be an outlet (seeing as we have no TE). If he is so prime time, give him the stinking ball. If nothing else he won't have to sissy slap tackle as a DB.

That is too funny. I can't say I agree with the receiver deal, but for sure P.B. looked to me like he was afraid of contact. It could've been because of his injury he had though. He was also caught out of position in pass coverage often as if he lost some quick reaction to the ball. If we keep him, oh well cause if he start acting up again I'm pretty sure it won't take as long as it did last year for him to lose PT.:goodbad:

HJam72
02-18-2006, 08:15 AM
This isn't supposed to be here. It should be down there.

HJam72
02-18-2006, 08:16 AM
We could give him shock treatment and have him play QB for a while. :rolleyes:

"If you don't hit somebody, I'm gonna make you play quarterback!!!"

threetoedpete
02-18-2006, 03:46 PM
Often true. But, after getting demoted last year his tackling dramatically improved--I didn't say became great or even solid, but it was a lot better (granted he had a long way to go). Then he got injured. The guy is dirt cheap and is absolutely someone to watch to see what the new staff can do with.

The play with p-burnt in the hole with the Steelerrs Willie Parker was justabout the worst defensive play I've ever seen by a player on any level. TBS, if the cap hit is small and it makes AJ happy, what the heck. We've got enough drift wood on this team already. One more piece ain't gonna hurt much more.

bigTEXan8
02-18-2006, 03:58 PM
I say that P-Buch comes back with a vengence this year. Hey, I can hope. I say that P-Buch is rejuvinated by the new coaches, he realizes that he won't last in the NFL if he doesn't step it up and play at the calibur at which he is expected. Besides all that, P-Buch is more of a man-to-man DB, not zone. Capers and Co. never did a good job to playing towards players strengths, always playing away from them.

nunusguy
02-18-2006, 05:47 PM
The only advantage to having him is that he's cheap (in the last year of his rookie deal @ 800k base) and that it's his contract year -- meaning, if he wants to keep on bling'n it he needs to start bring'n it...
He's cheap to keep around now with what is a modest cap hit for the upcoming season, but wow - that 2 & 3 we gave up last year were killers !
But now that we got him, lets hope, just hope, that's there is something to redeem. Dang, we got a ton invested in that guy !

stevo3883
02-18-2006, 06:28 PM
P-Buch is more of a man-to-man DB, not zone. .


thats like saying a Geo Prizm is more of a race car than an off-road vehicle.

CoachJim
02-18-2006, 07:37 PM
IMO, alot of our DB troubles came from the obvious: Zero pass-rush. I'm all for puttin him at reciever IN TC & lettin DRob & the other DBs tee off on him over the middle. Just kinda sit back & let him catch the ball, then lay the wood to him ala Eagles vs our R&S on MNF some years ago. (I KNOW some of you old Oiler fans remember that game) That'll either make or break him seein how the other half lives. After he got benched last year I think he kinda caught another gear when he finally came back to the lineup & he's cheap ... maybe ya CAN teach an old dog new tricks (or just teach him not to lay one on the turf).

bigTEXan8
02-18-2006, 07:54 PM
thats like saying a Geo Prizm is more of a race car than an off-road vehicle.

Hahaha...no but I'm serious. When you look at most of P-Buch's INTs, they came off of man-to-man coverage. Of course, the D was getting pressure on the QB too, which didn't hurt P-Buch's chances at getting those INTs. Look, he didn't play good this year either, but no one else played that good. Everybody's boy, D-Rob, didn't have that great of a year. Most INTs are achieved due to pressure on the QB. Someone care to tell me how many sacks we got this year?

stevo3883
02-18-2006, 07:58 PM
Hahaha...no but I'm serious. When you look at most of P-Buch's INTs, they came off of man-to-man coverage. Of course, the D was getting pressure on the QB too, which didn't hurt P-Buch's chances at getting those INTs. Look, he didn't play good this year either, but no one else played that good. Everybody's boy, D-Rob, didn't have that great of a year. Most INTs are achieved due to pressure on the QB. Someone care to tell me how many sacks we got this year?


being a corner isnt all about ints. the only reason buchanon is semi-interesting is his supposed "big play ability". hes pretty much useless in every other facet of the game, and when he's useless in the big play portion too, hes just plain useless and has no reason to be earning a salary.

im sorry, but all of you that say hes cheap, thats 850,000 we could spend on a player that actually will contribute to the team.

Bubbajwp
02-18-2006, 08:56 PM
He is worth 850,000 just to return punts.

stevo3883
02-18-2006, 09:02 PM
He is worth 850,000 just to return punts.


he didnt do anything as a punt returner either.

Bubbajwp
02-18-2006, 09:09 PM
he didnt do anything as a punt returner either.
He definetly had an off season returning punts. But who is better than him.

TMac48
02-18-2006, 09:16 PM
He definetly had an off season returning punts. But who is better than him.
...Jerome Mathis...?

Bubbajwp
02-18-2006, 09:17 PM
I was not impressed with his punt returning.

stevo3883
02-18-2006, 09:26 PM
He definetly had an off season returning punts. But who is better than him.


reggie bush

texan279
02-18-2006, 09:27 PM
being a corner isnt all about ints. the only reason buchanon is semi-interesting is his supposed "big play ability". hes pretty much useless in every other facet of the game, and when he's useless in the big play portion too, hes just plain useless and has no reason to be earning a salary.

im sorry, but all of you that say hes cheap, thats 850,000 we could spend on a player that actually will contribute to the team.

Buchanon's total cap hit for 06 will be 806,720. It's not all that much money to take a chance to see if he can turn it around this season and even if he doesn't he could still play nickel or dime back. Moran Norris, Bennie Joppru, and Tony Banks will all be a bigger hit to our cap in 06 than Buchanon, and when was the last time you even saw Norris on the field or saw Joppru at all? Either way, this is the last year of his contract so if he does stink it up we can cut him or just let him go with no cap implications.

texan279
02-18-2006, 09:28 PM
reggie bush

Are you telling me you would draft Reggie Bush #1 and pay him #1 money and then let him risk injury returning punts?

stevo3883
02-18-2006, 09:30 PM
Are you telling me you would draft Reggie Bush #1 and pay him #1 money and then let him risk injury returning punts?


yes, he returned punts all through college, and we would be taking him because of his versatility, not in spite of it.

we would use him every way we could.

Wolf
02-18-2006, 10:21 PM
IMO problem with P-buch and basically the whole secondary is
1) no pass rush
2) all of them didn't work as a unit.


What I understood with P-buch is he can play man on man ... he'll make spectacular interceptions and yet get burned too.. we seemed to play alot of zone (well atleast the times I noticed)

texan279
02-18-2006, 10:28 PM
IMO problem with P-buch and basically the whole secondary is
1) no pass rush
2) all of them didn't work as a unit.


What I understood with P-buch is he can play man on man ... he'll make spectacular interceptions and yet get burned too.. we seemed to play alot of zone (well atleast the times I noticed)

We played zone and also played the DB's 5-10 yards off the line of scrimmage most of the time (seemed to me anyway). Add that to the lack of pass rush we had for most of the season and we were just asking to get beat continuously with the deep ball, balls over the middle, and the balls thrown underneath. I have mentioned this before but had some here disagree with me about the zone coverage thing. I think this is one reason DRob didn't do as well last season as he did in his rookie season. Our defense was just so vanilla, boring, and ineffective last season.

texan279
02-18-2006, 10:56 PM
yes, he returned punts all through college, and we would be taking him because of his versatility, not in spite of it.

we would use him every way we could.

I understand Bush returned punts and was versatile in college, but this is the NFL. How many starting RB's, #1 WR's, or #1 overall draft picks (besides Steve Smith) do you see returning punts in the NFL today?

bigTEXan8
02-19-2006, 02:35 PM
Wolf and I are in agreement that P-Buch can be a good corner, but will get burned. He needs to be right up in the grill of the WR, and the front 7 need to get some pressure on that QB.

HJam72
02-19-2006, 02:40 PM
I'm starting to wonder what would happen if we just switched Bradford and P-Buck. Nevermind, I don't wanna see Bradford in a Texans uniform again.

TreWardTxn
02-19-2006, 02:49 PM
Wolf and I are in agreement that P-Buch can be a good corner, but will get burned. He needs to be right up in the grill of the WR, and the front 7 need to get some pressure on that QB.

He's not going to get in anybody's grill, becuase he isn't a physical player, Tim Dwight would out muscle him at the line. Yes, with a great pass rush and an all-star CB on his other side, he can be a decent corner, but you don't give up 2nd round picks to get decent players. When you want PBuc, you are saying, 'I want a corner that will get me a few big plays, but I understand he will get burned'; no matter what the Texans do, that is how he plays the game, and the only way he stays off the bench is if he makes a few of those big plays. He lived fat off of playing opposite C.Woodson since he's been in the league, and we saw as soon as Charles productivity dropped off, so did his, and as good as Dunta is, he's not at that elite CB level yet...

jerek
02-20-2006, 09:02 AM
I believe he is another victum of the ineptness of the previous coaching staff and the schemes they were employing. Even DROB didn't look that good last year. The Raiders coaching staff was not exactly the best in the world either. This is a different year and I think everyone is going to be surprised and I would not write off any player based on the previous coaching staff and the positions they placed the players in. They played schemes and called plays that were dommed to failure. Relax and let the new coaching staff show you what the game is really all about.

Agreed.

Vinny
02-20-2006, 09:09 AM
He lived fat off of playing opposite C.Woodson since he's been in the league, and we saw as soon as Charles productivity dropped off, so did his, and as good as Dunta is, he's not at that elite CB level yet...Playing CB doesn't work like that. If you are opposite an elite player you get all the plays your way...the player getting fat off the other one is the elite CB...because teams challenge the weak link much more than the stronger player. Good coaching won't make him less of a coward...I saw him pull up from some hits last year. He won't throw his body around like a football player needs to...him and Coleman both last year had issues with giving up their bodies.

Big B Texan Fan
02-20-2006, 09:15 AM
Agreed.
The coachong staff isn't always the problem if a player doesn't succeed.

Sometimes it's OK to blame a player for having a bad year/career or it's OK to blame a GM and the owner for not doing their homework before they bring in a player that has underperformed, especially for a 1st rd'r from Miami U with speed to burn.

rmartin65
02-20-2006, 09:32 AM
He is a great shutdown corner. The last D did not utilize his talents. He cant tackle at all and that was what he was asked to do.

Big B Texan Fan
02-20-2006, 09:36 AM
He is a great shutdown corner.
He WAS a great shutdown corner.......WAS, in college.

Joe Texan
02-20-2006, 03:17 PM
Nope yall have not convinced me of anything or showed me anyreason why this excuse of a cornerback should be on this team.

I am starting to plan his release party

Keldar
02-20-2006, 03:19 PM
Old coaching staff or not, if can't tackle, he should not play defense regardless of position or other skills. That's just as basic as breathing.

Bubbajwp
02-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Old coaching staff or not, if can't tackle, he should not play defense regardless of position or other skills. That's just as basic as breathing.
I agree for the most part but Deon Sanders couldnt tackle either and im pretty sure everybody would like to have had him on the Texans.

Keldar
02-20-2006, 05:21 PM
I reckon we could get away with having a Deon Sanders type corner, IF the other ten guys were good enough to make up for the lack of tackling by the one.

Unfortunately, in our case....thats not the case.

Bubbajwp
02-20-2006, 05:42 PM
Offcourse Pbuch is no Deon either.

stevo3883
02-20-2006, 06:12 PM
you know what im tired of yall talking down on PBuch
when the trade was made yall were so happy it was sad really now for one bad season you think he is the problem that is so wrong:brickwall

Dunta had a gray season to how come yall dont talk bad about him???:confused:


i hated it when it happened, and every minute since.


its not one bad season for buchanon, its a bad career. he got traded for a reason.

Bubbajwp
02-20-2006, 07:08 PM
you know what im tired of yall talking down on PBuch
when the trade was made yall were so happy it was sad really now for one bad season you think he is the problem that is so wrong:brickwall

Dunta had a gray season to how come yall dont talk bad about him???:confused:

Because he showed heart and gave 110% every play.

Joe Texan
02-20-2006, 07:32 PM
Dunta had a gray season to how come yall dont talk bad about him???

Because Dunta will knock you into next week if you look like you have the ball.

And I will talk how I want to about a two bit pimp wanna be who can't play defense for crap in the NFL.

Raider fans told me he showed up at his first practice in a limo wearing pajamas, If thats how he wants to act he needs to cut a CD.

Mr Shush
02-22-2006, 08:29 AM
I agree that Buchanon is worth the money (none of it guaranteed, remember - we can cut him at any time) just to return punts, but until he stops being quite such a horrific liability in the running game I don't want to see him near the field on defense in anything other than third and very long.

humbleone
02-22-2006, 09:45 AM
Playing CB doesn't work like that. If you are opposite an elite player you get all the plays your way...the player getting fat off the other one is the elite CB...because teams challenge the weak link much more than the stronger player. Good coaching won't make him less of a coward...I saw him pull up from some hits last year. He won't throw his body around like a football player needs to...him and Coleman both last year had issues with giving up their bodies.

Exactly right! And, since he is so the weaker link compared to DR, he is going to get hammered big time by opposing Offensive coordinators and QB's. How many times last year did we see balls thrown and completed for first downs on his side of the field because of "the cushion" he was giving the receiver.

Bottomline, he doesn't cover, hit or tackle and is a barely adequate nickel back and if it was not for Tony Hollings, he would be the worst personnel move IMO the Texans have made. I say, he gets this camp to get up into the receiver he is covering and run with him at least or cut him just on the general principle of not having gutless players anywhere on the team regardless of how fast they are.

We need football players, not track stars and yes that comment applies to Bradford as well.

Ibar_Harry
02-22-2006, 11:00 AM
Is it possible he was playing cussion as coached. Is it possible people were worried about the long play vs the short play. I understand your feelings, but people have to understand our players were doing in large part what they were told and had to do whether they liked it or not. I think this is becoming more evident from a number of the comments coming out of the new coaching staff after reveiw of the Texans films. Relax and see what happens. I have been preaching for a long time we may have had the honor of having one of the worst coaching staffs ever assembled in the NFL. Outwardly no, but inwardly they were. Again, nice guys, but they had no idea what they were doing and they were leaderless.

humbleone
02-22-2006, 12:06 PM
Is it possible he was playing cussion as coached. Is it possible people were worried about the long play vs the short play. I understand your feelings, but people have to understand our players were doing in large part what they were told and had to do whether they liked it or not. I think this is becoming more evident from a number of the comments coming out of the new coaching staff after reveiw of the Texans films. Relax and see what happens. I have been preaching for a long time we may have had the honor of having one of the worst coaching staffs ever assembled in the NFL. Outwardly no, but inwardly they were. Again, nice guys, but they had no idea what they were doing and they were leaderless.

Man I hope you are right...and I promise to appologize publicly on this MB to CC if the new staff can get PB to play up to the value we paid for him but IMO although "possible" it is very unlikely. The main data points that I will offer is the contrast between the way DR and even Faggins played coverage vs the way PB did under the same coaching.

BTW, I agree completely with you that the coaching was horrible so it is hard to say but I really have a bad feeling about what this guy "is willing" to do on a football field which is hard to effect with even good coaching.

El Tejano
02-22-2006, 01:25 PM
I think the 4-3 will do wonders for him. I still don't like him right now though.

stevo3883
02-22-2006, 05:03 PM
I think the 4-3 will do wonders for him. I still don't like him right now though.


he was in a 4-3 in oakland...


The main thing that irks me is this- we got pbuc because the coaches thought a change of scenery would bring out the talent he supposedly posseses.

He changed scenery, and had his worst season ever. Ok, experiment over, cut him.

Bubbajwp
02-22-2006, 05:08 PM
he was in a 4-3 in oakland...


The main thing that irks me is this- we got pbuc because the coaches thought a change of scenery would bring out the talent he supposedly posseses.

He changed scenery, and had his worst season ever. Ok, experiment over, cut him.
New Coaches new scenery new experiment.

HJam72
02-23-2006, 09:09 AM
Did he back off so much in Oakland? It seems like he didn't, but he did gamble and go inside for picks and get burned. Then he comes here and the coaches tell him to be safe, not take chances, and back up like 15 freaking yards. So, he did it and it's a stupid idea--kind of like telling your QB to throw all his passes in under 3 seconds.

I don't know about him or if what I just said is true, but I do know that that coaching staff really sucked. I mean really sucked. At what little he costs, I think he should get another chance under a different HC and he will.

FILO_girl
02-23-2006, 12:33 PM
Because Dunta will knock you into next week if you look like you have the ball.

And I will talk how I want to about a two bit pimp wanna be who can't play defense for crap in the NFL.

Raider fans told me he showed up at his first practice in a limo wearing pajamas, If thats how he wants to act he needs to cut a CD.

You can't use his flamboyant Cali behavior as an excuse now. He was disciplined as a Texan last year. His play was not up to snuff, either he is going to be this way or is a slow learner. I was pro-PB when we got him, hope that he doesn't disappoint us again. At 800K, I am in agreement with several here to keep him, maybe his niche will be discovered under new management. :redtowel:
We have to get something out of this investment.

Yo Joe, while you are planning your Pburnt party...are you going to sacrifice your 'Joetime" #31 customized jersey? :)

Joe Texan
03-03-2006, 05:13 PM
The Sacrifice is on the back burner at the moment as I can always remove his name and apply the name that fits. JoeTexan, I was all aboard his ship when he got here but he is like hmm well he is like a two bit pimp wannabe who caint play football wit da big boys.

Ibar_Harry
03-03-2006, 06:02 PM
Did he back off so much in Oakland? It seems like he didn't, but he did gamble and go inside for picks and get burned. Then he comes here and the coaches tell him to be safe, not take chances, and back up like 15 freaking yards. So, he did it and it's a stupid idea--kind of like telling your QB to throw all his passes in under 3 seconds.

I don't know about him or if what I just said is true, but I do know that that coaching staff really sucked. I mean really sucked. At what little he costs, I think he should get another chance under a different HC and he will.

Goes a long with what I have been saying for some time and that is you can not evaluate any of these players based on what they did with the previous coaching staff, because of the ineptness of that staff and having to do what you were told or else. There were a lot of players on our ball club in that boat. I have been preaching a wait and see approach. I think it is more than justified.

ghostlight
03-03-2006, 06:47 PM
Could he be played as a offensive player? He has the speed but can he catch the ball.

phantom17
03-03-2006, 06:47 PM
He gets one more free pass due to him being AJ's best friend and all. I'm not saying that is the real reason, just that I see AJ going to bat for him and saying things like :"give 'em one more chance" and "he's better than that" and etc......

Besides Joe, what's the difference. We seem to be in the business of keeping or acquiring poor talent (T. Couch??). We're turning into the Rd 1 Flameouts Refuge of Drafts Past.

Maybe if we're lucky while Casserly is sleeping he will get a visit from Vince Lombardi (the Ghost of Drafts/Trades Past), then a visit from Hank Stram (the Ghost of Drafts/Trades Present), and then a visit from himself in the future in the year 2010 (the Ghost of Drafts/Trades Future).


LOL! I wonder when he wakes up after the ghostly visitations, if he is wearing a silly lookin' night cap!:)

bATXle red
03-03-2006, 11:10 PM
no hat... just p-buc's pjs.

outofhnd
03-03-2006, 11:27 PM
I also add when he was playing off he looked like he was looking for safety help. Of Course Safeties werent to good last year either..

I think our coverages were too complex to even grasp. Chad Johnson of the Bengals said they had schemes that he had never seen before. Maybe simplify him to play bump and run and just put boxing gloves on his hands so he doesnt have the temptation to go for the INT.

cuppacoffee
03-04-2006, 09:32 AM
I believe he is another victum of the ineptness of the previous coaching staff and the schemes they were employing. Even DROB didn't look that good last year. The Raiders coaching staff was not exactly the best in the world either. This is a different year and I think everyone is going to be surprised and I would not write off any player based on the previous coaching staff and the positions they placed the players in. They played schemes and called plays that were dommed to failure. Relax and let the new coaching staff show you what the game is really all about.

Freudian slip? :D

:coffee:

profan
03-04-2006, 12:23 PM
Goes a long with what I have been saying for some time and that is you can not evaluate any of these players based on what they did with the previous coaching staff, because of the ineptness of that staff and having to do what you were told or else. There were a lot of players on our ball club in that boat. I have been preaching a wait and see approach. I think it is more than justified.
I agree with you comments on the past coaching staff, but if you watched any of the games you can see that pb does not like to hit people are be hit. If you don't like contact, you should not be playing in the nfl.

DenverBorn
03-04-2006, 01:53 PM
I think PBurnt should have been released immediately after the game in which he clearly dodged contact and turned to let the RB score. I've tried to erase the memory from my brain

It's time to stop this "good enough" attitude that pervades the Texans. The owner should accept nothing less than the best, and PBurnt does not meet that criteria. I think showing him the door mid season last year would have sent a message to the rest of the team

While I'm on that subject, I hope Kubiak sits Peek's butt every time he gets one of those dumb personal foul calls. Just don't put up with it. Send a message to everyone that we're not putting up with mediocre play and dumb-*** decisions.

profan
03-04-2006, 03:55 PM
[QUOTE=DenverBorn]I think PBurnt should have been released immediately after the game in which he clearly dodged contact and turned to let the RB score. I've tried to erase the memory from my brain

Yea, whenever i see or hear his name that play comes to mind. They say our coaches never really studied him before the trade. Well thats a bunch of bs, we scorched him the year before when we played oakland. My buddy from oakland was with me at that game and he and the rest of their fans had nothing good to say about him. We just blew it on that trade.

run-david-run
03-04-2006, 07:33 PM
He definetly had an off season returning punts. But who is better than him.
How many punts did he get to return? In case you guys didnt notice, we didnt force to many punts last year...something along the lines of worst defense in the NFL...

Napa Auto Parts
03-05-2006, 12:55 AM
Phillip should of been our team MVP he got us our first win:stirpot: remember cleveland

AustinJB
03-06-2006, 12:08 AM
Phillip should of been our team MVP he got us our first win:stirpot: remember cleveland

Sorry to say, but you're wrong on this one.

Kris Brown should be our MVP and HE is the one that one this game w/ four FGs. He managed to account for half of our wins this season AND get us the #1 pick AND get a raise...LOL.

Joe Texan
03-06-2006, 05:38 PM
Phillip should of been our team MVP he got us our first win remember cleveland

The only reason the two bit pimp wannabe got that interseption is cause the ball was way under thrown. Had the pass been good he would have been burned again.

BigBull17
03-07-2006, 12:16 PM
Buchanon's total cap hit for 06 will be 806,720. It's not all that much money to take a chance to see if he can turn it around this season and even if he doesn't he could still play nickel or dime back. Moran Norris, Bennie Joppru, and Tony Banks will all be a bigger hit to our cap in 06 than Buchanon, and when was the last time you even saw Norris on the field or saw Joppru at all? Either way, this is the last year of his contract so if he does stink it up we can cut him or just let him go with no cap implications.

Im not even convinced that Bennie Japupru is even a real person. He's like some figment of peoples imagination or a mythical creature, like and elf, a farie, or an eskimo.

stevo3883
03-07-2006, 01:05 PM
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1203/122203bigfoot.jpg

joppru training for next season