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keyfro
02-16-2006, 06:26 PM
as listed on the homepage...any thoughts?

ledzeppelin229
02-16-2006, 06:28 PM
He's a pretty athletic lineman I think, maybe he'll have a place in Kubiak's scheme. I hope so. He played C in college so maybe he'll get a shot there if he can't cut it as a starting G.

Vinny
02-16-2006, 06:29 PM
I thought Weary played well when he was in late in the year. He has a great attitude, is very flexible for a big man and may be a good fit in this offense since we are going to actually run the o-line LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED. *ahem*. Anyway...he has had poor handwork in the past but he's smart enough to take to better coaching. I'd like to see him get reps at Center and Guard both.

keyfro
02-16-2006, 06:38 PM
i aslo thought weary played much better this season than in the past...even better than the preseason game he played before the season kicked off...and with his weight around 306lbs i believe he is one of the closest lineman we have to the weight kubiak is used to...still needs to drop about 8-10lbs but still how good would it be for casserly if kubiak was able to turn his 3rd pick a few years ago into a regular starter...something that capers wasn't able to do

Grid
02-16-2006, 07:02 PM
glad we signed him again. Ive never been impressed with our Oline depth...but I wanna see what our new staff can do with them.

Runner
02-16-2006, 07:09 PM
I had heard that the new coaching staff liked Weary, which certainly contrasts to what Pendry and Company thought. That is why I asked MorKnolle why he put Weary ahead of Brown on this thread in post #69:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=276589#post276589

I didn't want to post it last week because I didn't want to say the source and people are getting testy about that lately.

I thought Brown had looked decent when he played. How does anyone think Weary and Brown compare?

I'm glad we are starting to get a trickle of hints to what the coaches are thinking. It is something to really discuss. I bet we get a few more contracts done in short order.

SESupergenius
02-16-2006, 07:30 PM
Like I said before, everyone should get a clean slate no matter what you thought of the player before. Carr gets one, no reason Weary should either, and everyone knows that I fired off on Weary for several years now.

Runner
02-16-2006, 07:31 PM
I thought Weary played well when he was in late in the year. He has a great attitude, is very flexible for a big man and may be a good fit in this offense since we are going to actually run the o-line LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED. *ahem*. Anyway...he has had poor handwork in the past but he's smart enough to take to better coaching. I'd like to see him get reps at Center and Guard both.

Do you have any theories to why he never saw much action before?

Runner
02-16-2006, 07:34 PM
Like I said before, everyone should get a clean slate no matter what you thought of the player before. Carr gets one, no reason Weary should either, and everyone knows that I fired off on Weary for several years now.

Yeah - Fred took a lot beatings on the board in the past. I don't recall him ever getting much playing time before the end of the past season. We really may get a chance to answer the talent vs. coaching issue next year.

Vinny
02-16-2006, 07:35 PM
Do you have any theories to why he never saw much action before?poor handwork/leverage. he got beat with simple quickness techniques over and over. He has the body and the measurables.

Runner
02-16-2006, 07:36 PM
poor handwork/leverage. he got beat with simple quickness techniques over and over. He has the body and the measurables.

Good. Coachable stuff.

Vinny
02-16-2006, 07:39 PM
Hopefully he is our still young but now veteran, versatile G/C combo back up in a blocking scheme that will be more about finesse and being an athlete than it is about plowing people or just trying to mash everybody with big lumbering guys.

Runner
02-16-2006, 07:59 PM
Hopefully he is our still young but now veteran, versatile G/C combo back up in a blocking scheme that will be more about finesse and being an athlete than it is about plowing people or just trying to mash everybody with big lumbering guys.

Hopefully at a good price. I'm kind of surprised one of our UFAs signed so soon though.

TexasJedi
02-16-2006, 08:42 PM
I thought Weary played well when he was in late in the year. He has a great attitude, is very flexible for a big man and may be a good fit in this offense since we are going to actually run the o-line LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED. *ahem*. Anyway...he has had poor handwork in the past but he's smart enough to take to better coaching. I'd like to see him get reps at Center and Guard both.
I agree. I think Weary could amount to something with some good coaching and a chance.

nunusguy
02-16-2006, 10:21 PM
Like I said before, everyone should get a clean slate no matter what you thought of the player before.
I for one am gonna very interested to see what the new coaching staff thinks
of Seth Wand, because I think a lot is unknown about his rapid ascent to the
starter at the top OL position, and just as rapidly falling out of favor with
the previous regime. I'm thinking he's a RFA this offseason, so we'll see if he gets any interest from other teams and what becomes of him under the new regime.

samomin
02-16-2006, 10:30 PM
I remember watching the fitness corner with Dan Riley a years or so ago on this website. Dan was working out Moran Norris and Fred Weary and Weary was huffing and puffing through his reps. The guy didn't seem strong enough compared to Norris. Now this is based on only one video, but I hope he has come a long way since then in his work ethic.

CajunTexan
02-16-2006, 10:36 PM
nice rebuttal.....here is mine in a language you may be able to understand

maybe is you being think you can and start to more time spending creating cogent sentences.

and please leave the apologist rhetoric to others..you will be doing yourself and your cause a favor

Where is a moderator when you need one?

infantrycak
02-16-2006, 10:38 PM
Where is a moderator when you need one?

We tend to only delete direct insults and name-calling and try to let people define themselves with their behavior. The above post would be a good example of letting Honeymoon define himself.

bdiddy
02-16-2006, 10:39 PM
Weary was resigned to build depth and eventually replace Weigart at right gaurd.

The lineup will look like this next year:

Pitts - McKinney - Eslinger (Draft) - Weigart - Wand

The Texans are likely to draft a LT prospect with the second round pick (likely Colledge - who could see action). However, I envision them gritting their teeth an living with McKinney's contract for one more year w/ Colledge ridng the bench. Eventually, Colledge will be moved to tackle and Pitts will either switch to RT or move in at LG. If all goes as planned, Weary will replace Weigart in 1-3 years.

Eslinger will likely be available in the 3rd or 4th round. He is an undersized center (290lbs), who played in a very good zone blocking scheme at Minnesota. He is an ideal center candidat that, while not nearly at the level of a FA like LeCharles Bentley, will become a very good Tom Nalen-esque player.

keyfro
02-16-2006, 10:42 PM
and i have to believe that weary is more of a center than a guard mold of lineman...i would like to see him and hodgdon going into training camp competiting for the starting center job along with mckinney and one of them win it out right...not by a slight decision but out right

michaelm
02-17-2006, 12:07 AM
omgooses, we signed Fred Weary?!?!?! Finally, our offensive line problems are now a thing of history. Start making reservations for the Super Bowl and lets just go ahead and anoint Casserley as Executive of the Year.

maybe, if we hurry, we can lock up average skill positions players for top dollar money. oh wait we already did that with Davis and Carr. I guess this year it will be to franchise tag Joppru or Babin. We can always use the transition tag on Bradford.

Oh joy, another offseason of hope and promise, courtesy of Cass and Co.

-- whats the difference between a inept moron that sells insurance and Casserley? --
-- One sells insurance. --


This is a sarcastic load of crap...

michaelm
02-17-2006, 12:07 AM
hey weary is a good lineman

and honey moon something i really dont care

the offseason hasnt even started for us so stop being a smart a$s you say is a bad move but you dont about coaching

if he was resigned is because kubiak thinks he is good enough for this team

This is an unintelligent line of babble...

michaelm
02-17-2006, 12:08 AM
nice rebuttal.....here is mine in a language you may be able to understand

maybe is you being think you can and start to more time spending creating cogent sentences.

and please leave the apologist rhetoric to others..you will be doing yourself and your cause a favor


This is pretty funny...
Nice comeback from your previous post! :)



p.s.
I meant these three post to be somewhat of a single post.
I used three seperate posts for comedic reasons.
Call it artistic license...

Of course, none of this applies if you don't think my posts were funny...


Out

LikeABoss
02-17-2006, 12:21 AM
This thread is pretty hilarious.

keyfro
02-17-2006, 01:30 AM
maybe instead of having a trash talk session we should stay on topic and with the thread...with weary signed is there any other back-ups from last season that you see the texans resigning and having any influence on the upcoming draft?

HardKnockTexan
02-17-2006, 01:42 AM
I have a soft spot in my heart for all past and future Texans so I'm glad to see that Weary re-signed with us. He hasnt had much oportunity on Sunday's to show what he can do but hopefully playing under Kubiak and Sherman will help him realize his potential.

michaelm
02-17-2006, 02:50 AM
maybe instead of having a trash talk session we should stay on topic and with the thread...with weary signed is there any other back-ups from last season that you see the texans resigning and having any influence on the upcoming draft?


Yeah, you're right. I just got caught up having a little fun myself.
My apologies.
Carry on.

mancunian
02-17-2006, 03:06 AM
as listed on the homepage...any thoughts?

Reasonable lineman, he's a good a shot as anyone else of making those final cuts in September. Lets see how he goes through training camp.

Runner
02-17-2006, 06:51 AM
I for one am gonna very interested to see what the new coaching staff thinks
of Seth Wand, because I think a lot is unknown about his rapid ascent to the
starter at the top OL position, and just as rapidly falling out of favor with
the previous regime. I'm thinking he's a RFA this offseason, so we'll see if he gets any interest from other teams and what becomes of him under the new regime.


You and me both. I may get chased off of this board if he bombs! :dangit:

dat_boy_yec
02-17-2006, 11:34 AM
maybe instead of having a trash talk session we should stay on topic and with the thread...with weary signed is there any other back-ups from last season that you see the texans resigning and having any influence on the upcoming draft?

Wand, he's the next and last Texan FA lineman they sign. This will take pressure off them to draft a tackle early. I could see them picking one up in the 6th or 7th if they sign Wand. Brown is gone I don't think he will be re-signed.

Do you mean just on the line because if we're talking about other positions as well then I have other backups I see getting re-signed. Theres Rivers who I think has a lot of potential and utilized right can have a great yr. Peek awww man I feel his re-signing in the cards already. Knock him if you want, but Peek is a great asset to this team. I'm thinking they will probably sign sometime next week.

dat_boy_yec
02-17-2006, 11:35 AM
You and me both. I may get chased off of this board if he bombs! :dangit:

Haha, he's not gonna bomb. Believe that. (I know I do!!)

rafterticket
02-17-2006, 12:31 PM
nice rebuttal.....here is mine in a language you may be able to understand

maybe is you being think you can and start to more time spending creating cogent sentences.

and please leave the apologist rhetoric to others..you will be doing yourself and your cause a favor

Why don't you get out of here?

To everyone else, on the subject of this thread, I hope there's a ton of guys that were just not being pushed to their potential. Maybe this is an example - because, yeah, people were bashing Fred on this board, for sure.

whiskeyrbl
02-17-2006, 12:53 PM
poor handwork/leverage. he got beat with simple quickness techniques over and over. He has the body and the measurables.
Yeah but who didn't,i say give him a chance,maybe if we stop playing mucical chairs with our lineman and play them where they fit we may see a better product on the field.That along with a draft choice or 2 and a FA pickup that is.

HJam72
02-17-2006, 01:52 PM
i think don't guys you should be fun of each other be nice much

thread what's it funny about?

It does concern me that we are sort of celebrating the resigning(s) of our former O-linemen. :idonno:

Runner
02-17-2006, 02:10 PM
It does concern me that we are sort of celebrating the resigning(s) of our former O-linemen. :idonno:

I think we are "celebrating" (with fingers crossed) that a lot of our problem may have been coaching. Therefore, we might get better without having to spend the time to turnover 80% of our roster.

Of course, this is one signing and who knows, maybe we did have excellent coaching last year. :pigfly:

keyfro
02-17-2006, 02:16 PM
rivers might turn into a quality player but i still see us drafting another TE on the first day due to our extreme need of a every-down player at that position...bruener can't catch and rivers can't block...we need a mixture...someone like klopfenstein, pope, king, day, or bryd

milford brown i'm not sure about...in order to fit kubiak's scheme he would have to drop around 20-30lbs...that's a lot for some of these guys...pitts would have to drop around 20lbs...and wand would have to drop close to 30lbs...players like weary, mckinney, weigert, and hodgdon are already close only needing to drop around 10lbs...so it'll be interesting to see who get's dropped from the team and who they pick up as far as the o-line is concerned

as far as peek goes...he is one of our best defensive players...unfortunetly i don't see a spot where he simply fits...weakside DE would probably be the best but that's where they'll be putting babin...strongside backer is another i just wonder about his ability to cover...but i believe we have to offer him a tender of atleast 3rd round compensation just in case another team wants him

Vinny
02-17-2006, 02:16 PM
It does concern me that we are sort of celebrating the resigning(s) of our former O-linemen. :idonno:We are discussing our football team. Every single team in the NFL has players like Fred....this is where you discuss this kind of stuff.

HJam72
02-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Every single team in the NFL has players like Fred....

True. I don't have a problem with him as an individual player. He's OK, I suppose.

ledzeppelin229
02-17-2006, 02:20 PM
rivers might turn into a quality player but i still see us drafting another TE on the first day due to our extreme need of a every-down player at that position...bruener can't catch and rivers can't block...we need a mixture...someone like klopfenstein, pope, king, day, or bryd

milford brown i'm not sure about...in order to fit kubiak's scheme he would have to drop around 20-30lbs...that's a lot for some of these guys...pitts would have to drop around 20lbs...and wand would have to drop close to 30lbs...players like weary, mckinney, weigert, and hodgdon are already close only needing to drop around 10lbs...so it'll be interesting to see who get's dropped from the team and who they pick up as far as the o-line is concerned

as far as peek goes...he is one of our best defensive players...unfortunetly i don't see a spot where he simply fits...weakside DE would probably be the best but that's where they'll be putting babin...strongside backer is another i just wonder about his ability to cover...but i believe we have to offer him a tender of atleast 3rd round compensation just in case another team wants him


I don't think they're all going to have to drop weight. Maybe some of them will, but the bottom line is their athletic ability. As long as that's up to par the weight isn't really the issue.

Vinny
02-17-2006, 02:23 PM
yeah...no way Pitts drops 20 pounds. He is plenty quick enough...it's not like he's a big tub of goo.

http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/pitts/pitts_school090704a.jpg

Runner
02-17-2006, 02:23 PM
I don't think they're all going to have to drop weight. Maybe some of them will, but the bottom line is their athletic ability. As long as that's up to par the weight isn't really the issue.

Agreed. As long as you're quick and mobile enough, bulk is still a plus. I think.

HJam72
02-17-2006, 02:25 PM
Let's just keep looking at the bright side. We're a rare team with a whole group of O-linemen that are actually too big!

ArlingtonTexan
02-17-2006, 02:29 PM
We are discussing our football team. Every single team in the NFL has players like Fred....this is where you discuss this kind of stuff.

I will go even further, the major problem with the Texans is that the Fred Wearys of the world have not been either recognized, coached, or developed properly. Too many of the mid-round draft picks and 2nd/3rd tier FA that are "boring" have not been able contribute at expectations much less above them.

ledzeppelin229
02-17-2006, 02:31 PM
I will go even further, the major problem with the Texans is that the Fred Wearys of the world have not been either recognized, coached, or developed properly. Too many of the mid-round draft picks and 2nd/3rd tier FA that are "boring" have not been able contribute at expectations much less above them.

Umm come on man. Why whould you have scrubs like Fred Weary and Seth Wand playing when studs like Victor Riley are on the roster. I don't blame Dom for that one. :homer:

cap1
02-17-2006, 02:40 PM
Umm come on man. Why whould you have scrubs like Fred Weary and Seth Wand playing when studs like Victor Riley are on the roster. I don't blame Dom for that one. :homer:

You made me spit out my Drink with that comment:rofl:

bigTEXan8
02-17-2006, 02:52 PM
I'm starting to wonder how much we know about this team. OK...Texans resign Weary, who isn't the greatest, but obviously good enough to play in the NFL. They have Payne, Wade, Weigert and others locked up in long-term contracts. Am I the only one who doesn't see what's going on here.

Vinny
02-17-2006, 03:06 PM
I'm starting to wonder how much we know about this team. OK...Texans resign Weary, who isn't the greatest, but obviously good enough to play in the NFL. They have Payne, Wade, Weigert and others locked up in long-term contracts. Am I the only one who doesn't see what's going on here.It's still February.....and we are rebuilding...nobody knows what is up until after the FA and the draft.

DRAMA
02-17-2006, 03:45 PM
I agree. I think Weary could amount to something with some good coaching and a chance.

With that coaching staff we had, there's no telling what team we have at this very moment. Weary, if Kubes sees it this way, may be our starting Center. We really have no idea at all, is what I'm saying. I think finding out if we have some gems is going to be fairly exciting.

Milford
Glenn Earl
Shante
etc...

texan279
02-19-2006, 01:09 AM
from www.kffl.com

Texans | Contract update: F. Weary
Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:30:29 -0800

The two-year contract signed by OL Fred Weary with the Houston Texans included base salaries of $545,000 (2006) and $670,000 (2007).

dat_boy_yec
02-19-2006, 05:53 PM
I agree that some people are making this resigning as some sort of homecoming or great achievement. Basically it looks like we will have the same OL that you blame all of Carr's failures on. We may add a rookie, but how much is that gonna help. Bottom line is that we are staying the course with our personnel (cause they are Charlie's picks) and blaming all our problems on coaching (cause that is Capers job). This front office complacency and lack of reality is going to set us back more years than the horrible personnel decisions already have.

Last year everyone slammed me for my posts predicting doom and gloom. Everything I predicted came true. This year, the homers on this board are still oblivious to the huge problems we have on the Texans and make me out to be the bad guy. Dont shoot the messenger.

1. Our OL isnt going to improve overnight with 'coaching' and that coupled along with Carr's inability to show pocket presence and Carr's inability to be effective in the pocket spell disaster.

2. Our offensive scheme does not have the personnel to run Kubiak's offense effectively. Our lineman are too big and we all saw how well they zone block. We would be better off drive blocking and using the skills/players we have to their best ability. You dont put players around a system, you put in a system that favors your existing players.....but of course that would be the smart thing to do and we all know that isnt how the Texans do things.

3. Our rewarding average players with huge $$ will continue to create locker room inequities and when its time for players that play well to get paid (Orr, Pitts, Wells, and Earl) we willnot have money to do it.

4. Fans will stop coming to games soon because the honeymoon is over. Their unwillingness to start over with a new QB and their willingness to continue operating under a high school QB in Carr will just continue the franchises decline.

5. Our inability to attract quality FA and quality coaches while also drafting as bad as any team in the league will make us the laughing stock. Expect Top5 draft picks for the next 2-3 years. At least we have some good QB prospects coming in future drafts...lord knows we need one

6. All the homers that are posting 'i heart carr' and 'weary is god' will use a little revisionist history and do the ole 'i told you so' bs that we always see.

Stop sugar coating the team. The team is in dire straits. They still have Casserley for crying out loud. If that is not the sign of a sick organization what is...

1. of course no changes will happen over night, however through the course of the offseason improvement is very attainable. I don't think we're aiming for a superbowl type line this yr. but for an adequate line that will give the Texans the opportunity to better access the personnel and move on from there. Carr's pocket presence is not all his fault true he bears some blame but damn who would want to be present in the pocket he occupied.
2. I guess you're simply referring to the line, but wasn't everyone complaining about how Hodgdon was an undersized center last yr. and weary isn't much bigger than him, Wand and Pitts, aren't exactly what I would call monsters either. It may be true we don't have identical linemen to Denver, but then again we may not run their exact same offense. KC runs a Variation of the zone-blocking and I think we can run a variation that may resemble the Denver scheme.
3. Luckily for us Orr and Wells can be re-signed cheaply this off season. I don't think they will cost us big bucks and by the time their contracts expire and we have to deal with them our salary cap situation may be at a much better situation. Pitts and Earl have the opportunity to show what they are worth this season. I don't know what will or won't happen, but you have to admit we do have maneuvering room.
4.The honey moon has been over. Also, fans come and go only the real ones stay through out. This season should was the worst, but fans still came because of their loyalty. I don't know the future but I don't think the franchise will crumble simply because of the QB.
5. The FA hasn't started or ended yet so I don't know what will happen there. However we did land quality coaching in Kubiak and Sherman. The others aren't spectacular, but should be better than what we had. Our history of drafting has been average, not abysmal. Our coaching has been abysmal and that has been dealt with. Hopefully this draft will be impressive and show us what we can expect from the future. If Capers and co. were still here I might agree with your assesment of future draft placement, however at this point I don't see us being in the top five again for a while. Top ten that's a big maybe but not the top 5.
6. Whatever.

The team is not in "dire straights." I for one ain't sugarcoating them. You gotta expect them to improve, otherwise why are you even a fan. We may not be a playoff team next yr. much less superbowl bound. However considering the offseason is still early I would not discount us being an average to above average team next yr. What do you expect the team to have done by now, FA hasn't started the draft is still a ways away and you're already saying we're going to fail. Sorry man, but you're reading way to into the future. Casserly ain't the greatest GM, but maybe just maybe with McNair and Kubiak here, the decisions won't be ****ed up.

ArlingtonTexan
02-19-2006, 05:55 PM
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5952&Submit=Go

look at fred weary stats

Nice, but adding to the Fred weary discussion

AustinJB
02-19-2006, 05:59 PM
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5952&Submit=Go

look at fred weary stats

I agree. While Weary didn't necessarily have a great rookie campaign, he wasnt' bad. And it is impressive that he has only given up 0.5 sacks in his last seven starts....it is ridiculous that he's only gotten seven starts in three seasons.

You have to wonder why he never saw the field...of course, I tend to think it is just one more example of our old coaching staff not putting the right players on the field.

keyfro
02-19-2006, 10:39 PM
something that i just thought of after looking at his stats...you wonder how this team would look like if after the 2002 season after we signed weigert if capers would have started mckinney at LG weary at C and weigert at RG how much different this team's stats might be...i think we all can agree that weary's potential is probably more at C than at G