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Carr Bombed
02-16-2006, 12:25 PM
Did anybody catch this segment on ESPN Radio. You can download and listen to it. (Juvenile Thoughts)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou

First of let me say Colin irritates the hell out of me, he verbally abuses his listeners at times, but the points he makes or some of the same points that have been debated over and over and over on this board so take it for what it is. Although I don't like him his stand is almost everybodies outside the state of Texas. I also find it very interesting how the two callers that agreed with him were HORN FANS!, and I thought I was the only Horn Fan that was critical of Young at the next level.

Hes also got a interview with Charlie and assumes hes taking Bush and goes on another rant and again brings up many views brought up on this board. (he goes a little overboard with the Bush garrantee to the HOF)
(same link)

HoustonFrog
02-16-2006, 12:58 PM
Did anybody catch this segment on ESPN Radio. You can download and listen to it. (Juvenile Thoughts)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou

First of let me say Colin irritates the hell out of me, he verbally abuses his listeners at times, but the points he makes or some of the same points that have been debated over and over and over on this board so take it for what it is. Although I don't like him his stand is almost everybodies outside the state of Texas. I also find it very interesting how the two callers that agreed with him were HORN FANS!, and I thought I was the only Horn Fan that was critical of Young at the next level.

Hes also got a interview with Charlie and assumes hes taking Bush and goes on another rant and again brings up many views brought up on this board. (he goes a little overboard with the Bush garrantee to the HOF)
(same link)

Can't listen to him. What a putz. Since when did sports stations start authorizing that all radio and TV guys must scream their opinions at people and when they are proven untrue you cry and hang up on people?It is the Stephen A. Smith school of broadcasting. I was listening to Colin one day and they were discussing Davis walking into the stands to protect his wife. Colin kept yelling about how "unmanly" it was and that he isn't a real man, etc. Listeners bombarded him with e-mail about what a moron he was but he wouldn't stop. When he got calls that logically explained a differing view he would get flustered and hang up on them, saying he didn't want to hear it. I haven't listened to him since. These guys with Napoleonic complexes are just annoying.

powerfuldragon
02-16-2006, 01:06 PM
cowherd is an !d!ot of the first order.

Carr Bombed
02-16-2006, 01:21 PM
Can't listen to him. What a putz. Since when did sports stations start authorizing that all radio and TV guys must scream their opinions at people and when they are proven untrue you cry and hang up on people?It is the Stephen A. Smith school of broadcasting. I was listening to Colin one day and they were discussing Davis walking into the stands to protect his wife. Colin kept yelling about how "unmanly" it was and that he isn't a real man, etc. Listeners bombarded him with e-mail about what an ***** he was but he wouldn't stop. When he got calls that logically explained a differing view he would get flustered and hang up on them, saying he didn't want to hear it. I haven't listened to him since. These guys with Napoleonic complexes are just annoying. That is the same exact opinion I have of him. I think he tries to be like the Shock Jock of sports radio and he doesn't want to except anyone's opinion, but his. I think he does it cause he thinks that will get him listeners. The only reason why I listen to the guy is because in the small Michigan town I got stationed at thats the only sports radio station they have and it comes on during my lunch break.

About a month and a half ago I think Colin was on a holiday vacation and they brought in a stand in for about a week and that guy was very refreshing, intelligent, and brought very good views. I wish I could remember his name.

Having said that I thought it was very interesting that the only Houston Fans that called in were UT fans and they agreed with him.

Bronco Texan
02-16-2006, 03:32 PM
I used to get pissed at collin. But then I realized he does this to get reactions out of people. You guys have to understand he dictates who he puts on the radio. You also have to give your rant to the call in guy before they put you on. So he knows what his callers are going to say. Know I listen to get a good laugh. I listen that day he talked about VY, and I loved it. It was so awesome to listen to him yell at the VY homers. It is pretty rediculous that there are people out there that want to waste the first pick in the draft on a player that the team doesn't need and isn't even the highest rated player. I'm with Collin VY is off my draftboard.

Sudds
02-16-2006, 03:43 PM
Guys and Gals:

You may not like Herd, but the guy nailed this segment. Everything he stated was right on. Houston fans need to get over this Hometown hero thing...it makes us sound homerish and unintelligent.

VY had a great game vs. USC...but against a horrible, injury riddled defense. Hello, see the writing on the wall.

And why is he not throwing at the combine? This is the one area that people question. Is he nervous or cocky? This does not look good, especially since Leinart will throw up and down that filed with precision, as will Cutler. Where's VY....in Austin hiding out.

The Herd is correct and shares the same opinion as most of the country. Houston fans are very narrow minded...the rest of the US is a lot smarter than us, or so it appears.

Kaiser Toro
02-16-2006, 03:59 PM
Today's sports editorialist is akin to a bookie. Get enough people to argue both sides with conviction and reap the residual benefit.

HardKnockTexan
02-16-2006, 03:59 PM
[QUOTE=Sudds]

And why is he not throwing at the combine? This is the one area that people question. Is he nervous or cocky? This does not look good, especially since Leinart will throw up and down that filed with precision, as will Cutler. Where's VY....in Austin hiding out.[QUOTE]

Many players projected in the top of the draft dont go through the individual workouts at the combine. VY has nothing to gain by throwing the ball at the combine so why risk having his stock fall?

Kaiser Toro
02-16-2006, 04:03 PM
Guys and Gals:

You may not like Herd, but the guy nailed this segment. Everything he stated was right on. Houston fans need to get over this Hometown hero thing...it makes us sound homerish and unintelligent.

VY had a great game vs. USC...but against a horrible, injury riddled defense. Hello, see the writing on the wall.

And why is he not throwing at the combine? This is the one area that people question. Is he nervous or cocky? This does not look good, especially since Leinart will throw up and down that filed with precision, as will Cutler. Where's VY....in Austin hiding out.

The Herd is correct and shares the same opinion as most of the country. Houston fans are very narrow minded...the rest of the US is a lot smarter than us, or so it appears.

Then I guess you got nothing to worry about. Since VY is hurting himself with ever step he makes in this lead up to the draft, Carr being resigned and Herd having a thrid eye you should be extremely confident that we will not take VY. Why persist in this debate? Move on and join us in other dialogue.

LBC_Justin
02-16-2006, 04:24 PM
The guy is a total jackass but his opinion (although not delivered very tactfully) is pretty much what most people outside of Texas think.

stevo3883
02-16-2006, 04:35 PM
\(although not delivered very tactfully) is pretty much what most people outside of Texas think.


? people like michael wilbon and skip bayless arent in texas and they want VY to go #1.

HoustonFrog
02-16-2006, 04:36 PM
[QUOTE=Sudds]

And why is he not throwing at the combine? This is the one area that people question. Is he nervous or cocky? This does not look good, especially since Leinart will throw up and down that filed with precision, as will Cutler. Where's VY....in Austin hiding out.[QUOTE]

Many players projected in the top of the draft dont go through the individual workouts at the combine. VY has nothing to gain by throwing the ball at the combine so why risk having his stock fall?


Kiper was on 790 this morning..February 16th ..and said VY is actually smart for not throwing. He said it is the most overblown and rediculous argument ever against a guy and that the news must be slow. He said half the guys come in and get weighed and take the tests. VY knows his throwing motion is different and he will see 20 other guys who have a normal motion. that will not change. He is going to have his own interview and workout at Texas. Guys do it yearly. All of this is from Kiper. Non issue.

HoustonFrog
02-16-2006, 04:38 PM
i gotta agree with this Rome clone. --

Please don't insult Rome like that. At least he knows sports. Making fun of bad athletes and callers does not equate to screaming people down and not wanting any opinion that isn't yours. I'd call him a Bayless clone.:)

Dr. Toro
02-16-2006, 04:54 PM
Cowherd is dead wrong. He used the Indiana Pacers as an example to support his point... hahaha. These are the Pacers that passed on Larry Bird to draft a big man who was traded halfway through his first season.

Leinart isn't throwing. Cowherd uses the Roethlisberger example to illustrate his point... hahaha, he played in the MAC. And he has nothing to prove, so he didn't have to throw at the combine.

Cowherd is now saying he can't handle the pressure. Saying he didn't play that well against OSU (270 passing, 80 rushing). Uh, yeah he hasn't handled the pressure well. Nope, not in the biggest game of Texas football history, not at OSU, not at Oklahoma St. down big.

Now it's Vince Young's fault Texas beats teams by 50.

Unbelievable, the guys is so inaccurate. I want to take a moment to thank all you anti-Vince guys on this board for being more knowledgable and logical than this ESPN radio talking head.

El Tejano
02-16-2006, 04:59 PM
Has anyone ever thought about how David's throwing motion was just as bad? I don't think many of us argue over the fact his throwing motion sucks but rather that he just hasn't been able to read defenses for whatever reason.

LBC_Justin
02-16-2006, 05:04 PM
? people like michael wilbon and skip bayless arent in texas and they want VY to go #1.Almost all the EXPERTS and Scouts have Vince Young have the #2 or #3 Quarterback in this years draft.

I am not saying Vince isn't worth the #1 overall pick in the draft but if he is taken #1 it should not be by the Texans. The Texans should trade down and let someone else take him. But that will never happen as most people see him at the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft.

I honestly won't be surprised if he drops to 4th or 5th. D'Brick is looking very tempting and the NFL is a copycat league and this years Superbowl teams were both built around pocket passers/game managers, a good running game, solid defense and most noticable two GREAT offensive lines.

ps: Hook'em Horns!!!!

I hope Vince goes #1 to the NY Jets and has a long fruitful career and rakes in huge dollars in the NYC market. I hope we get D'Brick, and several other great picks including the Jets #1 pick next year....which is going to be a top 5 pick...maybe even #1 or #2....and we build are self a dynasty ala the cowboys, steelers, and 49ers did in the past with the draft.

Youngstown Colt
02-16-2006, 06:51 PM
Cowherd follows a simple pattern for every segment he does:

1) Find a contraversial stance that is for no reason other than to stir the pot.
2) He then warns that he will get calls from _______ fans saying (and now he uses the conan o brien nerd voice) saying "but Colin, you don't understand" he will then use the nerd voice and mock every valid point the people will call in to say.
3) Takes mostly calls that agree with him, and a few that don't
4) Mocks those who don't agree with him.
5) To make sure people know he's cool (when in reality he's one of the nerdiest radio hosts out there) he'll say things like "nah dawg, that's not how it works"

I heard his "Vince Young is afraid" segment, and it was a complete double standard. He says Leinert has nothing to prove because he playts in the Pac 10, but Vince has to prove he could do it because he plays in the Big XII?

It was as moronic as most of the segments he has on his show. He doesn't deserve Kornheisers old spot.

kingdee09
02-16-2006, 08:15 PM
no no no this guy hear is really pissed me off he's putting vince young down geez man. he straight clowns on VY all that stuff was unnessesary (how ever you spell) plus he was talking about houston like we're nothing but jokes. where just like any other city who would want a hometown hero.

we have an opinion so we gonna say it.......colin is woo man can i hit him in the nose if i see him in the street? jay cutler over vince? damn, he's going to hell lol. jay cutler is a good QB but even close enough to be as good as vince

TexanExile
02-16-2006, 08:47 PM
He's all hat and no cattle. Cowherd's aired down here in South Florida too, on a station that's about as powerful as the FM adapter for my iPod. I listen occasionally. I heard that VY segment too, and I heard an even more *****ic one about Bobby Knight this week. Youngstown, you're EXACTLY right about how he structures every single segment...

What struck me about the Knight segment was how every argument he used about Knight's recent interview meltdown was precisely the opposite of his sad excuses for Ron Artest's misconduct months ago. In the same way, he also took shots at VY for sitting out sections of the combine--something that marquee players do every single year.

Let me add that I'm not in favor of the Texans taking VY. (Won't break my heart if they DO, though!) That said, I don't think Cowherd's opinions are going to be confused with Chris Mortensen or Mel Kiper anytime soon. Uh, dawg.

wrestler4life
02-16-2006, 11:03 PM
Do you really think he is that bad???
I love his show. It is the only one I will listen to. I think that he has his bad opinions and/or stances, but he is a good host. Would Mel Kiper actually be such good friends with a guy who sucked.
I think that most of you are just so hurt that he put down your "god" VY that you immediately hate him and everything he stands for.
Maybe I am wrong or way out of line, but it is my opinion.
Take Bush or trade down. Period.

michaelm
02-17-2006, 12:18 AM
? people like michael wilbon and skip bayless arent in texas and they want VY to go #1.


Man, that sure sounds like a self-defeating argument to me...

stevo3883
02-17-2006, 12:20 AM
Man, that sure sounds like a self-defeating argument to me...


skip is an *****, not as bad a blowherd though.

and wilbon is a good sports guy.

and i wasnt saying they matter, just that people outside texas DO think vince should go #1.

michaelm
02-17-2006, 12:24 AM
skip is an *****, not as bad a blowherd though.

and wilbon is a good sports guy.

and i wasnt saying they matter, just that people outside texas DO think vince should go #1.

I get you.
I think your right in that we seem to need all of the outside, unbiased opinion we can get around here.
I try to stay objective, but considering the type of information we get bombarded with here locally, objectivity may be hard to come by.

TreWardTxn
02-17-2006, 01:10 AM
Man, that sure sounds like a self-defeating argument to me...

Ask Jimmy Johnson, who's widely respected as one of the greatest talent evaluators [I]ever[I] who he would rather have QB his team, and see if you come back with that same tone. In fact, when they discussed the #1 draft pick with JJ on Fox during NFL Sunday, he sounded dejected about the thought that the Texans would likely pass over Young in favor of Carr, and he isn't even connected to the team...

kbourda
02-17-2006, 01:47 AM
While I hardly think Cowherd's comments about VY would be considered the gospel to people outside of Texas, did any of you happen to catch the interview John and Lance had with Michael Thompson? You guys know, right? Morning show hosts on 610? Well, Michael Thompson a host for a sports radio station made some interesting comments about VY. He thought people in LA were overreacting to Bush having a breakout game against Fresno State. Boy, that's almost blasphemous to say that to Bush supporters here in Houston. But in LA? Of course they thought he was crazy, didn't know what he was talking about, et al. You guys know the routine (and you know who i'm refering to). Kinda what is done here on a regular basis when someone brings up a point about Vincent Young. And he also said before the Rose Bowl that USC would lose because of Vincent. So I guess the topics you hear on the radio can be as selective as you may want them to be. I hear people say terrible things about Vincent. I hear people say geat things about Vincent. Saying "only people in Texas want VY to be the #1 pick" is silly. Furthermore, you can say anything like this unless you personally go and ask each and every person outside of Texas who they would select for the #1 pick. *lol* I blows my mind the great lenghts that people to to discredit a great football player.

michaelm
02-17-2006, 02:47 AM
Ask Jimmy Johnson, who's widely respected as one of the greatest talent evaluators [I]ever[I] who he would rather have QB his team, and see if you come back with that same tone. In fact, when they discussed the #1 draft pick with JJ on Fox during NFL Sunday, he sounded dejected about the thought that the Texans would likely pass over Young in favor of Carr, and he isn't even connected to the team...


You missed the point of my post. It wasn't about VY and his worth in the draft. It was about the previous poster using Bayless and Wilbon as references.
You go back and look at my post again, and in the mean time, if I run into Jimmy Johnson, I'll ask him about VY. :) And I'll make sure he knows you respect his opinion, and hope that he is over his VY related dejection.
That's my tone, and I'm sticking to it...

LBC_Justin
02-17-2006, 10:44 AM
Ask Jimmy Johnson, who's widely respected as one of the greatest talent evaluators [I]ever[I] who he would rather have QB his team, and see if you come back with that same tone. In fact, when they discussed the #1 draft pick with JJ on Fox during NFL Sunday, he sounded dejected about the thought that the Texans would likely pass over Young in favor of Carr, and he isn't even connected to the team...The problem is this isn't a straight up choice between Carr and Young. I would probably take Young if given the choice straight up.

We are chosing between:
Bush & Carr or getting Vince Young
D'Brick, high 2nd rd pick, a good 1st rd pick next year, Carr or getting Vince Young
Super Mario, high 2nd rd pick, a good 1st rd pick next year & Carr or getting Vince Young

or even
Matt Leinart or getting Vince Young.

In most cases if you ask people outside of the state of Texas, they would choose the option that involves not getting Vince Young.

The reason is that
It is like love. When you look at a person you are in love with, you don't see their flaws. You see the person that has made you happy and has made your dreams come true. In many cases Vince Young has done this for the state of Texas.

The rest of the country doesn't see Vince that way. They see a draft with quite possible the most explosive running back since Marshal Faulk or Barry Sanders and a QB that has won TWO national championships and played for a Third, been running a pro Offense and has put up consistently good numbers for all three years he has played.

For the record, I am a Longhorn, I have followed Vince Young through out his college career and even saw him play LIVE at the RoseBowl. I love the guy, he has brought a lot of Joy into my life. But I don't think he would be the right pick given the current contract situations, coaches and player personnel the Texans have on this team.

I personally think we should trade down the #4 or #5 and load our team up with talent and sure up the D-line and O-line. Not sexy but I think it is what it will take to win.

TreWardTxn
02-17-2006, 11:27 AM
You missed the point of my post. It wasn't about VY and his worth in the draft. It was about the previous poster using Bayless and Wilbon as references.
You go back and look at my post again, and in the mean time, if I run into Jimmy Johnson, I'll ask him about VY. :) And I'll make sure he knows you respect his opinion, and hope that he is over his VY related dejection.
That's my tone, and I'm sticking to it...

I understood the point of your point exactly, which basically was Wilbon and Bayless were worthless sources as far as draft evaluation is concerned, and I was saying that there are other, uber-qualified individuals who also see VY's talent translating to the next level...

TheOgre
02-17-2006, 11:32 AM
I remember listening to him defend Notre Dame as a top 5 team as he left off Ohio State as one towards the end of the season. The Buckeye fans came out of the woodwork to argue with him. I didn't buy his arguments (or should I call them rants?) then, and I only laugh about it now. I'm just glad the Buckeyes got the last laugh.

Youngstown Colt
02-17-2006, 11:36 AM
I think that most of you are just so hurt that he put down your "god" VY that you immediately hate him and everything he stands for.I'm not a Houston fan, a Texas native, or a Longhorn fan, and I can see that his argument (like they always are) are completely off base. If Vince wasn't "afraid" on the biggest stage of his football career, he's not "afraid" now.

Matt Leinert has plenty of questions to answer about his throwing (remember his preseason elbow surgery?) This was not the same Matt Leinert as the one that torched Oklahoma. But because he is an admitted USC homer (and any west coast team for that reason) he chose to bash Vince for the same reason he praised Matt.

HoustonFrog
02-17-2006, 11:38 AM
Do you really think he is that bad???
I love his show. It is the only one I will listen to. I think that he has his bad opinions and/or stances, but he is a good host. Would Mel Kiper actually be such good friends with a guy who sucked.
I think that most of you are just so hurt that he put down your "god" VY that you immediately hate him and everything he stands for.
Maybe I am wrong or way out of line, but it is my opinion.
Take Bush or trade down. Period.

My opinion had nothing to do with VY. Cowherd is the little guy that got his tail kicked in high school. Now he is taking the Napoleonic Complex on the road and basically stirs the pot. I had listened to him some until the story of Davis going into the stands. Most of the things he says make no sense. I'd maybe give him an iota of credit if he actully let people contradict him but he hangs up on anyone with a valid point because he knows he looks like a moron. He is just a weasel, plain and simple.

TreWardTxn
02-17-2006, 11:40 AM
The problem is this isn't a straight up choice between Carr and Young. I would probably take Young if given the choice straight up.

We are chosing between:
Bush & Carr or getting Vince Young
D'Brick, high 2nd rd pick, a good 1st rd pick next year, Carr or getting Vince Young
Super Mario, high 2nd rd pick, a good 1st rd pick next year & Carr or getting Vince Young

or even
Matt Leinart or getting Vince Young.

In most cases if you ask people outside of the state of Texas, they would choose the option that involves not getting Vince Young.

The reason is that
It is like love. When you look at a person you are in love with, you don't see their flaws. You see the person that has made you happy and has made your dreams come true. In many cases Vince Young has done this for the state of Texas.

The rest of the country doesn't see Vince that way. They see a draft with quite possible the most explosive running back since Marshal Faulk or Barry Sanders and a QB that has won TWO national championships and played for a Third, been running a pro Offense and has put up consistently good numbers for all three years he has played.

For the record, I am a Longhorn, I have followed Vince Young through out his college career and even saw him play LIVE at the RoseBowl. I love the guy, he has brought a lot of Joy into my life. But I don't think he would be the right pick given the current contract situations, coaches and player personnel the Texans have on this team.

I personally think we should trade down the #4 or #5 and load our team up with talent and sure up the D-line and O-line. Not sexy but I think it is what it will take to win.

I respect your opinion, but I think the fact of the matter is that one of these guys is going to be the generational athlete that experts are projecting them to be. What makes VY and RB so special is that they package talents that have never before been seen, or not seen in quite some time. The trade down option might look less appealing if the Texans FO had proven to be less erratic with post 1st round picks in the past; we would trust their ability to find good talent out there without having a slew of picks. The Texans have plenty of good draft spots below #1 this year, and there will be plenty of other guys in the near future that can do what any of these guys can. Now I will say, if a team offers multiple number ones and twos to grab that top spot, then it might be worth entertaining...

Youngstown Colt
02-17-2006, 11:51 AM
http://imgsrv.espn920.com/image/DbGraphic/200403/43534.jpg

He truely has a face for radio. I heard him today say to a caller "sorry brah"

What a clown.

LBC_Justin
02-17-2006, 12:42 PM
I respect your opinion, but I think the fact of the matter is that one of these guys is going to be the generational athlete that experts are projecting them to be. What makes VY and RB so special is that they package talents that have never before been seen, or not seen in quite some time. The trade down option might look less appealing if the Texans FO had proven to be less erratic with post 1st round picks in the past; we would trust their ability to find good talent out there without having a slew of picks. The Texans have plenty of good draft spots below #1 this year, and there will be plenty of other guys in the near future that can do what any of these guys can. Now I will say, if a team offers multiple number ones and twos to grab that top spot, then it might be worth entertaining...I can't argue that the Texans have never really scored well in the draft in rounds 2 and 3.
We seem to do just fine with our 1st rounders and our 4th rounders.

I think if we did trade down it would be no lower than the #5 overall pick, a very early second rounder, and next years 1st rounder. (hopefully they would settle for no less than that.)

I agree with you I would be totally opposed to any trade that involved one high pick and lots of 3rd round or later type picks.

Joe Texan
02-17-2006, 12:48 PM
Collin Coward is a spineless wimp

michaelm
02-17-2006, 04:54 PM
I understood the point of your point exactly, which basically was Wilbon and Bayless were worthless sources as far as draft evaluation is concerned, and I was saying that there are other, uber-qualified individuals who also see VY's talent translating to the next level...

I get you, but I may not have been clear enough. Here's another try.

I am saying that the previous poster may have, in fact, had a good point(that I may or may not agree with) about VY, but the fact that he used weak references defeats his point and/or lessens the credibility of his argument.
His point is that there are some people outside of Texas think VY should go #1, but he used two dubious people as examples, so it lessened the effectiveness of his argument.

Those last two statements may be a bit redundant, but it seems like redundancy may serve a purpose at this juncture...

He would have been better off using a more 'uber-qualified' individual than the two he used.


*example*
Dom Capers thinks that Chester Pitts can be a decent LT in this league.

Ok, I think he can be a decent LT as well, but I would probably not use Capers to back me up on that opinion...