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Errant Hothy
02-13-2006, 10:22 PM
from www.kffl.com

NCAA | Young may skip throwing at the NFL Combine
Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:27:19 -0800

Chip Brown, of the Dallas Morning News, reports Texas QB Vince Young may not throw at the NFL Combine, according to agent Major Adams. Adams, who stated last month that Young would throw for teams at the NFL combine beginning next week, now says Young may not throw and instead may only interview with teams. When asked why it might not be a good thing for Young to throw at the combine, Adams replied, "Unfamiliar surroundings, unfamiliar receivers." The NFL combine in Indianapolis begins Feb. 22. Young said during a public appearance on Saturday at The Galleria in Houston that he plans to interview with teams and "probably throw a little bit."

This just keeps getting more and more muddeled.

Coach C.
02-13-2006, 10:25 PM
It should be expected though right. I mean he is considered a top 10 pick and most of the time they do not workout at the combine. So Vince will throw at the UT pro day were Sneed and his other receivers can make him look better. Smart move on his part.

Errant Hothy
02-13-2006, 10:28 PM
I agree with you Coach C. I'm just curious to hear what those who were signing his prasies for saying he would throw at the combine will say now.

And before I get labeled a hater, I think is the right/smart move on VY's part; and Bush shouldn't run the 40 at the combine either.

Big B Texan Fan
02-14-2006, 01:22 AM
I'm sure neither of them will do any type of workout although it'd be a breath of fresh air if they did something, anything.

BlueThunder
02-14-2006, 02:20 AM
Vince don't have to throw.I'm satisfied with his arm.Ive seen him throw a 60 yarder and hit his receiver in stride to many times to not know.I'm not talking Leinart and his receivers having slow down or speed up and fight for the ball.You just keep thinking Vince can't thow the football.I want the team that wants Vince to have him.Leinart throws good within 20 yards and has a strong arm but hes inconsistant.I hardly ever see Vince throw a bad pass in a game when he gets focused.If I was a coach and got Vince i'd start him day one.

HeartofHouston
02-14-2006, 03:06 AM
Okay personally i think that its a good move but on the other hand i think it shows what type of mind frame he is in at the same time..

I mean people are saying well its a good move to not throw at the combine because its not his UT recievers that he used to.. guess what??

When he gets to the NFL Sweed and Taylor wont be on his team and there he has a 1 and 32 shot of having his favorite target his TE from UT to throw to.. So he will be throwing to people he is not used to so he needs to get himself acclimated to throwing to a Drew Bennett or a Joe Horn because that's who he's most likely going to be throwing to when he hits the NFL..

This is just another example of people babying Vince Young.. first Mack Brown now this whole not throwing at the combine.. Thats my personal opinion so go ahead flame on..

Tale Gator
02-14-2006, 06:27 AM
Bush and Young really shouldn't be expected to do anything at the combine other than interview (like they haven't already done that anyway).

MorKnolle
02-14-2006, 09:39 AM
Vince don't have to throw.I'm satisfied with his arm.Ive seen him throw a 60 yarder and hit his receiver in stride to many times to not know.I'm not talking Leinart and his receivers having slow down or speed up and fight for the ball.You just keep thinking Vince can't thow the football.I want the team that wants Vince to have him.Leinart throws good within 20 yards and has a strong arm but hes inconsistant.I hardly ever see Vince throw a bad pass in a game when he gets focused.If I was a coach and got Vince i'd start him day one.

Leinart has far superior accuracy and touch on his passes than Vince. Leinart's arm isn't overly strong but neither is Vince's, and Vince rarely hit a WR in stride on deep balls, they generally looked more like Michael Vick's desperate heave to Fitzgerald in the Pro-Bowl, and like Fitzgerald, UT's WRs went up and made plays on it more often than not.

Okay personally i think that its a good move but on the other hand i think it shows what type of mind frame he is in at the same time..

I mean people are saying well its a good move to not throw at the combine because its not his UT recievers that he used to.. guess what??

When he gets to the NFL Sweed and Taylor wont be on his team and there he has a 1 and 32 shot of having his favorite target his TE from UT to throw to.. So he will be throwing to people he is not used to so he needs to get himself acclimated to throwing to a Drew Bennett or a Joe Horn because that's who he's most likely going to be throwing to when he hits the NFL..

This is just another example of people babying Vince Young.. first Mack Brown now this whole not throwing at the combine.. Thats my personal opinion so go ahead flame on..

I don't know how much of it is babying Vince, most of the top players don't do many of the drills at the combine. I would prefer to see everyone do all the drills so you can compare guys all running/throwing/whatever on the same surface, under the same conditions, with the same people watching/timing. However, I do understand with some guys how running/throwing can only hurt their draft stock and why they wouldn't want to do it. The top QBs would rather throw to their guys who are more used to catching their balls and who have good timing with the QB, sure it would be nice to see them throw against strangers since when they first get to the NFL they will be starting from scratch with whatever WRs they have on their new team. However, in the NFL they will get to practice with their guys and will hopefully develop a rhythm with them, and since they are trying to improve their draft stock I can see why they would prefer to just work out at their own school under familiar environment, especially when it's someone like Vince, Leinart, or Reggie and they know every team will come to their pro day anyways. For some lesser-known players the combine is their main opportunity to showcase themselves and improve their draft stock, some guys don't have anything to really gain by it so they will opt out of working out there.

TheOgre
02-14-2006, 09:48 AM
I think this is a smart move. I don't think he should have participated in that other activity last week either. The lasting impression that Young wants for everyone is the National Championship Game.

LBC_Justin
02-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Vince don't have to throw.I'm satisfied with his arm.Ive seen him throw a 60 yarder and hit his receiver in stride to many times to not know.I'm not talking Leinart and his receivers having slow down or speed up and fight for the ball.You just keep thinking Vince can't thow the football.I want the team that wants Vince to have him.Leinart throws good within 20 yards and has a strong arm but hes inconsistant.I hardly ever see Vince throw a bad pass in a game when he gets focused.If I was a coach and got Vince i'd start him day one.Um i think you have Leinart and Vince mixed up.

Leinart is the one who is known as "Mr. Consistant" and has thrown plenty of long balls. But neither has great arm strength but both can get the job done.
(You sure your a Texans fan or a Vince Young fan?)

Anyways back on topic.

When you are a top 1, 2 or 3 pick you usually have one place to go, and that is down. So the smart play is to rest on your college accomplishments. VY will rest on that amazing Rose Bowl performance and let scouts look at that if they want to see how he plays. Which is a VERY smart move. I expect Bush and Leinart will the exact same thing, as they should.

MorKnolle
02-14-2006, 09:57 AM
I think this is a smart move. I don't think he should have participated in that other activity last week either. The lasting impression that Young wants for everyone is the National Championship Game.

I would tend to agree with you here. He should definitely work out at his pro day though, maybe run the 40 to prove how fast he is and definitely do other QB drills and passing drills to prove (or attempt to prove) to his doubters that he can make the NFL throws and solidify his top 3 pick.

TheOgre
02-14-2006, 10:42 AM
Agreed. He should do Pro Day drills. Since it is on his own campus in his own elements, he can script what he wants to do instead of having it scripted for him.

Htown34s
02-14-2006, 10:44 AM
It would be a mistake, IMO, to not throw. Maybe he is planning on throwing at his pro day at UT only based on the "unfamiliar" comment.

It looks like the Texans will pass on him, so VY needs to show he can throw since that is the biggest citicism against him. Maybe they believe he won't last past the Titans or Jets no matter what.

Frills
02-14-2006, 10:45 AM
Mabye all the All star game commentating, and public appearances have him not in the best shape to throw and he needs some more time.

thunderkyss
02-14-2006, 11:09 AM
Leinart has far superior accuracy and touch on his passes than Vince. Leinart's arm isn't overly strong but neither is Vince's, and Vince rarely hit a WR in stride on deep balls, they generally looked more like Michael Vick's desperate heave to Fitzgerald in the Pro-Bowl, and like Fitzgerald, UT's WRs went up and made plays on it more often than not.



Wow...... BlueThunder tells you what he's seen, and you bring up Lienart. Wow.

Vince did the All-Star thing last week, and it turned out Okay. I don't remember every detail, but I think he got beat out in one area...... I'm sure his agent got on him about the numerous ways that hurt his "stock" If he doesn't throw at the Combine, I'm sure that would be the reason.

Personally, I like his confidence to go out and do the All Start challenge. I'd like for him to go out and work out in the combine, he still might... I understand that generally he can only hurt himself, but if I'm an NFL type who can & will be making personell decisions, I definitely wouldn't grade anything at the combine, or Senior day with any weight comparable to the work he's done in real games, with real opponents, real fans, real national attention. But that's me.

Errant Hothy
02-14-2006, 11:42 AM
Wow...... BlueThunder tells you what he's seen, and you bring up Lienart. Wow.

Vince did the All-Star thing last week, and it turned out Okay. I don't remember every detail, but I think he got beat out in one area...... I'm sure his agent got on him about the numerous ways that hurt his "stock" If he doesn't throw at the Combine, I'm sure that would be the reason.

Personally, I like his confidence to go out and do the All Start challenge. I'd like for him to go out and work out in the combine, he still might... I understand that generally he can only hurt himself, but if I'm an NFL type who can & will be making personell decisions, I definitely wouldn't grade anything at the combine, or Senior day with any weight comparable to the work he's done in real games, with real opponents, real fans, real national attention. But that's me.

If his agent was so worried about hurting VY's tock then he should NOT have compete with a bunch of day 2 QBs, and not blowing them out of the water. I also cannot believe that VY competed in a celibiry basketball game during the Super Bowl.

Of all teh guys being debated for a top picks VY will probaly have the weakest workout. That's not a knock, just that his game does not translate to teh numbers generated at the combine and other owrkouts. He should be able to taylor his Pro Day workout to showcase what he does best.

I'm still woried about the advice he is receiving from his management team, and I hope his agent knows that during this time of teh year teams are looking for reasons not to draft people.

Didn't Sporting News last mock have VY going tenth?

powerfuldragon
02-14-2006, 11:46 AM
I think vince young should throw at the combine. We need to see how he operates in unfamiliar surroundings. we know that he could throw to the UT recievers, but what about to other randoms. i think the fact that he's not throwing shows us his lack of confidence in his own throwing abilities.

kastofsna
02-14-2006, 11:50 AM
Okay personally i think that its a good move but on the other hand i think it shows what type of mind frame he is in at the same time..

I mean people are saying well its a good move to not throw at the combine because its not his UT recievers that he used to.. guess what??

When he gets to the NFL Sweed and Taylor wont be on his team and there he has a 1 and 32 shot of having his favorite target his TE from UT to throw to.. So he will be throwing to people he is not used to so he needs to get himself acclimated to throwing to a Drew Bennett or a Joe Horn because that's who he's most likely going to be throwing to when he hits the NFL..

This is just another example of people babying Vince Young.. first Mack Brown now this whole not throwing at the combine.. Thats my personal opinion so go ahead flame on..
every top QB does this, it's nothing to do with vince young.

Haams
02-14-2006, 11:55 AM
we know that he could throw to the UT recievers, but what about to other randoms.

Can we have him throwing to Andre Johnson?

MorKnolle
02-14-2006, 11:55 AM
Wow...... BlueThunder tells you what he's seen, and you bring up Lienart. Wow.

Vince don't have to throw.I'm satisfied with his arm.Ive seen him throw a 60 yarder and hit his receiver in stride to many times to not know.I'm not talking Leinart and his receivers having slow down or speed up and fight for the ball.You just keep thinking Vince can't thow the football.I want the team that wants Vince to have him.Leinart throws good within 20 yards and has a strong arm but hes inconsistant.I hardly ever see Vince throw a bad pass in a game when he gets focused.If I was a coach and got Vince i'd start him day one.

He brought up Leinart first and said that Vince throws a better deep ball than Leinart, and I gave my opinion on it, not sure what the problem is here.

Can we have him throwing to Andre Johnson?

That will likely happen if Vince is invited in for a workout with the Texans, they will bring out their WRs to see how well they work together.

powerfuldragon
02-14-2006, 11:59 AM
Can we have him throwing to Andre Johnson?


If VY wants to be drafted by the texans that badly, he should call up the Texans recievers and just hang with them until they're pals.

Haams
02-14-2006, 12:02 PM
The only passing attack the Texans have demonstrated to me so far is lobbing the ball to Johnson or dumping it off to Davis. We know VY can do that, so at the worst we end up with the same passing game and the best running qb in the nfl. To me, 150 yards passing would be much more acceptable when it was combined with 80-90 yards of rushing instead of taking 10 sacks.

jgite
02-14-2006, 12:04 PM
I think vince young should throw at the combine. We need to see how he operates in unfamiliar surroundings. we know that he could throw to the UT recievers, but what about to other randoms. i think the fact that he's not throwing shows us his lack of confidence in his own throwing abilities.

Leinart is not throwing at the combine. I don't think Cutler is going as of now. I don't think you would say that they have a lack of confidence if they would rather perform at their respective Pro Days. Besides other opinions on this MB states that he throws jump balls to tall receivers. I thought the idea of a quarterback is to put the ball where the receiver can catch it. Thats where he threw most of his balls at. Sweed is 6'4", but Taylor is 5'11", Pittman 6'0", Cosby is 6'1", and the last two guys are former quarterbacks.

chuckm
02-14-2006, 12:08 PM
Anyone hear the C Cowherd show today? He had some strong opinions about VY not throwing at the combine....

Big B Texan Fan
02-14-2006, 12:14 PM
Anyone hear the C Cowherd show today? He had some strong opinions about VY not throwing at the combine....
I heard it, man he's passionate about his VY hatred.
Dan Patrick is saying the opposite right now as far as working out @ the combine is concerned

chuckm
02-14-2006, 12:20 PM
I heard it, man he's passionate about his VY hatred.
Dan Patrick is saying the opposite right now as far as working out @ the combine is concerned


yep just heard that .... makes sense not to throw, although that can certainly be criticized without it being labelled as "VY hatred" ....

powerfuldragon
02-14-2006, 12:36 PM
Leinart is not throwing at the combine. I don't think Cutler is going as of now. I don't think you would say that they have a lack of confidence if they would rather perform at their respective Pro Days. Besides other opinions on this MB states that he throws jump balls to tall receivers. I thought the idea of a quarterback is to put the ball where the receiver can catch it. Thats where he threw most of his balls at. Sweed is 6'4", but Taylor is 5'11", Pittman 6'0", Cosby is 6'1", and the last two guys are former quarterbacks.


But see, nobody's questioning leinart's and cutler's ability to throw. people are, however, questioning vince's ability to transition to the NFL style.

Big B Texan Fan
02-14-2006, 12:39 PM
yep just heard that .... makes sense not to throw, although that can certainly be criticized without it being labelled as "VY hatred" ....
Yeah, I guess you're right, he just won't let anyone get a word in edge wise.

Big B Texan Fan
02-14-2006, 12:41 PM
But see, nobody's questioning leinart's and cutler's ability to throw. people are, however, questioning vince's ability to transition to the NFL style.
I don't think it's so much as questioning, rather it's more like they're eagar to see since he wasn't scouted much/at all throughout the season, Leinert and Cutler were.

Lucky
02-14-2006, 12:53 PM
Young will accept some invitations to private workouts. There, he will work under those teams' QB coach and/or offensive coordinator's instruction and throw to unfamiliar WRs. Throw different routes. With different drops.

Not throwing at the combine is no big deal. But, doing a 180 on throwing at the combine makes Team Vince look amatuerish.

Almost Anybody
02-14-2006, 03:19 PM
He 's getting pasted on NFL Sirious Radio bigtime for this about-face of his.

I know 99.9999999999999999 percent of you have your minds made up on this VY/RB thing, but I'm one of those rare birds who still hasn't decided yet on which one we should choose, not that it matters.

But I would have liked to have seen an independant NFL scouting report and evaluation of Vince Young that is far removed fom this local McClain/Chronicle/Radio610 spin machine that is corrupting any chance of making an objective decision.

Nobody is questioning his running ability, but certain question were raised about his passing technique from NFL type sets. But instead of going out and demonstrating his passing skills before independant NFL scouts, he comes up with this "infamiliar conditions and unfamiliar receivers" excuse.

What are you hiding, Vince?

And I don't want to hear about "pro days" What's going to happen on your pro day? Have your representative come out later and say you did great? Yeah right!

Again Vince, what are you afraid of?

Vinny
02-14-2006, 03:22 PM
What are you hiding, Vince?

Why are we talking like the Combine and pro day has already happened?

Almost Anybody
02-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Why are we talking like the Combine and pro day has already happened?

I was commenting on Vince Young's stated intentions to not participate in the Combine, and I also gave my opinion on what I think of pro days.

infantrycak
02-14-2006, 03:33 PM
Lucky nailed this--if VY hadn't said he was going to throw at the combine to prove himself this would be a non-issue. Undoubtedly not his fault at all and simply the fault of his handlers--basically they are now confirming the prior criticism that they didn't know what they are doing. Somewhere, sometime VY will do everything except the 40 and we know he has more than enough speed for the NFL as a QB.

Almost Anybody
02-14-2006, 03:50 PM
Somewhere, sometime VY will do everything except the 40 and we know he has more than enough speed for the NFL as a QB.

Just so long as it's not at his "pro day".

Dr. Toro
02-14-2006, 04:06 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right, he just won't let anyone get a word in edge wise.

Labeling Cowherd a "hater" is accurate... a lot of guys don't love Vince, like Patrick, but Cowherd is ridiculous. "The Herd" there's nothing funnier than coining your own nicknames.

Huge
02-14-2006, 06:11 PM
He 's getting pasted on NFL Sirious Radio bigtime for this about-face of his.

I know 99.9999999999999999 percent of you have your minds made up on this VY/RB thing, but I'm one of those rare birds who still hasn't decided yet on which one we should choose, not that it matters.

But I would have liked to have seen an independant NFL scouting report and evaluation of Vince Young that is far removed fom this local McClain/Chronicle/Radio610 spin machine that is corrupting any chance of making an objective decision.

Nobody is questioning his running ability, but certain question were raised about his passing technique from NFL type sets. But instead of going out and demonstrating his passing skills before independant NFL scouts, he comes up with this "infamiliar conditions and unfamiliar receivers" excuse.

What are you hiding, Vince?

And I don't want to hear about "pro days" What's going to happen on your pro day? Have your representative come out later and say you did great? Yeah right!

Again Vince, what are you afraid of?
You do realize this has more to do with his agent getting a clue about the risk/reward of throwing at the Combine, don't you?

This wasn't Vince's decision just as it wasn't his decision when it came out that he would throw.

LBC_Justin
02-14-2006, 08:43 PM
He 's getting pasted on NFL Sirious Radio bigtime for this about-face of his.

I know 99.9999999999999999 percent of you have your minds made up on this VY/RB thing, but I'm one of those rare birds who still hasn't decided yet on which one we should choose, not that it matters.

But I would have liked to have seen an independant NFL scouting report and evaluation of Vince Young that is far removed fom this local McClain/Chronicle/Radio610 spin machine that is corrupting any chance of making an objective decision.

Nobody is questioning his running ability, but certain question were raised about his passing technique from NFL type sets. But instead of going out and demonstrating his passing skills before independant NFL scouts, he comes up with this "infamiliar conditions and unfamiliar receivers" excuse.

What are you hiding, Vince?

And I don't want to hear about "pro days" What's going to happen on your pro day? Have your representative come out later and say you did great? Yeah right!

Again Vince, what are you afraid of?

Yeah I listened to that on Sirius NFL Radio too. Very interesting.

They said he doesn't need to prove he can run but better throw at the combine because the memories of Rose Bowl are fading fast and he didn't throw any touchdown in that game. Talked about how throwing is pretty important for a QB. Talked about how EVERYONE has a great pro-day at their own school and how that doesn't really show anything. Basically said the "Question Marks" are going to keep him from going top 2, and that if he wants to move up he better prove to the scouts he can throw.

They were talking about the College Football All-Stars Challenge in which he went head-to-head against Drew Olson of UCLA in an accuracy contest and lost. They he went head-to-head against Brodie Croyle of Alabama in throwing distance and was beaten. I don't know a thing about this competiton just repeating what was said on the radio.

They also said the Texans would be crazy to take a QB.

anyways that is the best I could remember what was said. Hopefully I didn't butcher it too much.:)

GO TEXANS.

Almost Anybody
02-14-2006, 11:06 PM
Yeah I listened to that on Sirius NFL Radio too. Very interesting.

They said he doesn't need to prove he can run but better throw at the combine because the memories of Rose Bowl are fading fast and he didn't throw any touchdown in that game. Talked about how throwing is pretty important for a QB. Talked about how EVERYONE has a great pro-day at their own school and how that doesn't really show anything. Basically said the "Question Marks" are going to keep him from going top 2, and that if he wants to move up he better prove to the scouts he can throw.

They were talking about the College Football All-Stars Challenge in which he went head-to-head against Drew Olson of UCLA in an accuracy contest and lost. They he went head-to-head against Brodie Croyle of Alabama in throwing distance and was beaten. I don't know a thing about this competiton just repeating what was said on the radio.

They also said the Texans would be crazy to take a QB.

anyways that is the best I could remember what was said. Hopefully I didn't butcher it too much.:)

GO TEXANS.

Isn't it interesting listening to the perspective of folks that are not part of this hometown/UT crowd, and propped up by the McClain/Chronicle/610 campaign spin.

Strictly a "football" decision? Yes, the Texans will make it, but the 'fans' don't want them to.

Nighthawk
02-15-2006, 12:16 AM
Isn't it interesting listening to the perspective of folks that are not part of this hometown/UT crowd, and propped up by the McClain/Chronicle/610 campaign spin.

Strictly a "football" decision? Yes, the Texans will make it, but the 'fans' don't want them to.

Yeah, these are really knowledgeable football people yammering on on Sirius Radio. Geeez. Get 1/2 a clue, pls.

TexansCanes
02-15-2006, 12:58 AM
He 's getting pasted on NFL Sirious Radio bigtime for this about-face of his.

I know 99.9999999999999999 percent of you have your minds made up on this VY/RB thing, but I'm one of those rare birds who still hasn't decided yet on which one we should choose, not that it matters.

But I would have liked to have seen an independant NFL scouting report and evaluation of Vince Young that is far removed fom this local McClain/Chronicle/Radio610 spin machine that is corrupting any chance of making an objective decision.

Nobody is questioning his running ability, but certain question were raised about his passing technique from NFL type sets. But instead of going out and demonstrating his passing skills before independant NFL scouts, he comes up with this "infamiliar conditions and unfamiliar receivers" excuse.

What are you hiding, Vince?

And I don't want to hear about "pro days" What's going to happen on your pro day? Have your representative come out later and say you did great? Yeah right!

Again Vince, what are you afraid of?

well if mcclain or a 610 really decided who we picked you might have a point. Vince not throwing at the combine really isn't a surprise and shouldn't be for anyone that follows the draft closely. of cousre it could be a bad decision becuase he is puting all his eggs in one basket have you.

kastofsna
02-15-2006, 09:59 AM
This guy wants to be the #1 Pick and will not throw or the thing he is good at run.
If he is a future Hall of Famer what does he have to hide?
all top picks do it. it's nothing new. people are making too big a deal of this

LBC_Justin
02-15-2006, 10:47 AM
Yeah, these are really knowledgeable football people yammering on on Sirius Radio. Geeez. Get 1/2 a clue, pls.Actually the guys on Sirius Radio are more "football people" than anyone on the Radio.

1. They are run by the "NFL Network" and "NFL.com" guys.

2. They talk football all day, everyday. They don't cover any other sport. They broadcast from every single football offseason event including the Senior Bowl, Combine, Training camps, all the little stuff that real football fans care about, etc.

3. They are all former players(Several Hall of Famers & Future Hall of Famers), General Mangagers, Coaches, Scouts etc. Good ones too. ummm Dan Reeves was one of their guys before he stepped down to take the Texans gig.

I understand you might not agree with the message but you can't really discredit the scource in this case. If there are any "really knowlegeable football people", it is them, Not Lance at 610 or John McClain at the chronicle. Those guys Radio guys who like to talk about rumors and have WAY too much invested in the local community.

Marcus
02-15-2006, 05:21 PM
Nighthawk, all you've done with your last post, was to reveal your refusal to be objective. Get rid of your local bias.

Cheroqui
02-15-2006, 06:04 PM
He may want to take a few snaps I would think. It can be touchy in his case on how people will look at it. I just hope his agent doesn't mess him up like Phillip Rivers agent did.

Nighthawk
02-15-2006, 06:21 PM
Actually the guys on Sirius Radio are more "football people" than anyone on the Radio.

1. They are run by the "NFL Network" and "NFL.com" guys.

2. They talk football all day, everyday. They don't cover any other sport. They broadcast from every single football offseason event including the Senior Bowl, Combine, Training camps, all the little stuff that real football fans care about, etc.

3. They are all former players(Several Hall of Famers & Future Hall of Famers), General Mangagers, Coaches, Scouts etc. Good ones too. ummm Dan Reeves was one of their guys before he stepped down to take the Texans gig.

I understand you might not agree with the message but you can't really discredit the scource in this case. If there are any "really knowlegeable football people", it is them, Not Lance at 610 or John McClain at the chronicle. Those guys Radio guys who like to talk about rumors and have WAY too much invested in the local community.

Hey, they're talking heads, they're like the loudmouth in the bar who wants to tell you what he knows about the game. Deliver me, please. I've seen what they do on the NFL network. Yeah, they're overweight and maybe they played somewhere once. They sure can gossip (formerly the province of older ladies).

Here's what they said:

They said he (VY) doesn't need to prove he can run but better throw at the combine because the memories of Rose Bowl are fading fast and he didn't throw any touchdown in that game. Talked about how throwing is pretty important for a QB. Talked about how EVERYONE has a great pro-day at their own school and how that doesn't really show anything. Basically said the "Question Marks" are going to keep him from going top 2, and that if he wants to move up he better prove to the scouts he can throw.

That look like gospel to you? I didn't think so. More like ****-chat and gossip and yammering from people who have nothing to say and too much time to say it in.

That said, Young has not done himself any favors with his representation, and the switchback on this deal will get him a lot of bad press among these talking heads. I have no idea what he will or won't do at the combine. I personally wish he would throw because I'd like to get a sense of how good or bad he is right now, and how far he has to go. What throws he can make and which ones he can't make or needs to work on. But I think you can get that from his pro day as well, so either way is fine with me.

Marcus
02-16-2006, 07:30 AM
They said he (VY) doesn't need to prove he can run but better throw at the combine because the memories of Rose Bowl are fading fast and he didn't throw any touchdown in that game. Talked about how throwing is pretty important for a QB. Talked about how EVERYONE has a great pro-day at their own school and how that doesn't really show anything. Basically said the "Question Marks" are going to keep him from going top 2, and that if he wants to move up he better prove to the scouts he can throw.


So tell me. When was the last time you heard of anyone NOT having a GREAT pro day? You're on the clock.

It's pretty well a given with everyone that Vince is going to be taken high in the draft, but he has stated in a very public campaign type manner, that he wants to be the 1st overall pick. I mean he wants to "cash in" on his opportunity, right?

The truth is, the Rose Bowl was Vince's mountain top. He has nowhere to go but down. His lame "unfamiliar conditions and unfamiliar receivers" excuse won't go well with some who have questions about certain parts of his game. Everyone at the combine will be participating with "unfamiliar conditions and unfamiliar receivers".

I know Vince is being steered by handlers, representatives, agents, and advisers out the ying yang.

What are they afraid of?

HoustonFrog
02-16-2006, 09:07 AM
Kiper was on 790 this morning..February 16th ..and said VY is actually smart for not throwing. He said it is the most overblown and rediculous argument ever against a guy and that the news must be slow. He said half the guys come in and get weighed and take the tests. VY knows his throwing motion is different and he will see 20 other guys who have a normal motion. that will not change. He is going to have his own interview and workout at Texas. Guys do it yearly. All of this is from Kiper. Non issue.

Lucky
02-16-2006, 09:13 AM
So tell me. When was the last time you heard of anyone NOT having a GREAT pro day? You're on the clock.
Ced Benson was so-so last year. Ditto Mike Williams. Kevin Jones dropped like at rock after his sub-par pro day in '04. Terrell Suggs may have lost a few spots in '03 after some pedestrian 40 times.

Runner
02-16-2006, 09:44 AM
Ced Benson was so-so last year. Ditto Mike Williams. Kevin Jones dropped like at rock after his sub-par pro day in '04. Terrell Suggs may have lost a few spots in '03 after some pedestrian 40 times.

Maurice Clarrett?

LBC_Justin
02-16-2006, 10:31 AM
Hey, they're talking heads, they're like the loudmouth in the bar who wants to tell you what he knows about the game. Deliver me, please. I've seen what they do on the NFL network. Yeah, they're overweight and maybe they played somewhere once. They sure can gossip (formerly the province of older ladies).

Here's what they said:

They said he (VY) doesn't need to prove he can run but better throw at the combine because the memories of Rose Bowl are fading fast and he didn't throw any touchdown in that game. Talked about how throwing is pretty important for a QB. Talked about how EVERYONE has a great pro-day at their own school and how that doesn't really show anything. Basically said the "Question Marks" are going to keep him from going top 2, and that if he wants to move up he better prove to the scouts he can throw.

That look like gospel to you? I didn't think so. More like ****-chat and gossip and yammering from people who have nothing to say and too much time to say it in.

That said, Young has not done himself any favors with his representation, and the switchback on this deal will get him a lot of bad press among these talking heads. I have no idea what he will or won't do at the combine. I personally wish he would throw because I'd like to get a sense of how good or bad he is right now, and how far he has to go. What throws he can make and which ones he can't make or needs to work on. But I think you can get that from his pro day as well, so either way is fine with me.That was my summary of their 10 minute conversation. Not a quote by any means.

I think it was a conversation between John Riggins (NFL Hall of Famer, Former Top 10 Draft pick, Superbowl MVP) and Pat Kirwin (Former NFL Coach, General Manager, NFL Scout, & Head of Personnel). I guess you could call them "Talking Heads" but they are far from....
Jim Rome, "John Granato, Lance Zierlein and the Morning Crew", or Jeremy Foster, or "Rich Lord, Marc Vandermeer & The Afternoon Drive Time Players." or "The Nightshift with Matt Jackson and Adam Wexler".

I LOVE VINCE YOUNG. He almost brought me to tears of Joy with his Rose Bowl performance. I think he is going to be a great player. But I am also able to seperate my emotions of being a "fan" of a player and be able to unbiasedly read evaluations/critisism on a players talent(for the record I don't know enough or watch enough film to TRUELY evaluate talent).

I don't know if it would be the best business decision for VY and I certainly don't blame him for not throwing, it was probably the right decision, but I personally would like to see him throw. Because I do have A LOT of doubts about his throwing ability. Obviously he is considered a top 10 draft pick so he can throw, but I am talking about how good of a thrower he is compared to the other NFL QB prospects. I already know he is hands down the best runner in the draft and maybe of alltime at his position. I have no problem with his funky throwing motion but as of right now I am not sure he can make all the throws and I think the amazing talent he had at Texas certainlty bailed him out of some of his mistakes and make him look like a little better passer than he actually is.

Frills
02-16-2006, 10:41 AM
WR's don't throw at the combine, this is nothing new

Lucky
02-16-2006, 01:01 PM
Maurice Clarrett?
I don't remember Clarett's pro day. Or where it was, since Ohio State banned him from the campus. But Maurice did bomb at the combine.

rmartin65
02-16-2006, 03:29 PM
The main knock on VY is his throwing. It makes no sense for him not to throw unless he is scared.

HoustonFrog
02-16-2006, 03:34 PM
The main knock on VY is his throwing. It makes no sense for him not to throw unless he is scared.

I'll repost..it was actually the smart thing to do and this is just another way for people to take cheap shots at him. Listen I don't want to draft him but do you people know how many people skip things at the combine and have their own workouts?

Kiper was on 790 this morning..February 16th ..and said VY is actually smart for not throwing. He said it is the most overblown and ridiculous argument ever against a guy and that the news must be slow. He said half the guys come in and get weighed and take the tests. VY knows his throwing motion is different and he will see 20 other guys who have a normal motion. that will not change. He is going to have his own interview and workout at Texas. Guys do it yearly. All of this is from Kiper. Non issue.

infantrycak
02-16-2006, 03:45 PM
I'll repost..it was actually the smart thing to do and this is just another way for people to take cheap shots at him.

It was the smart thing to do. While VY should not bear any criticism for not throwing his handlers should because they gaffed this thing by telling people he would throw at the combine to prove himself as a thrower. If they hadn't said that, not throwing would be a non-issue.

HoustonFrog
02-16-2006, 03:48 PM
It was the smart thing to do. While VY should not bear any criticism for not throwing his handlers should because they gaffed this thing by telling people he would throw at the combine to prove himself as a thrower. If they hadn't said that, not throwing would be a non-issue.

True. They misspoke. Having an interview on his home turf is the way to go.

Waltman
02-18-2006, 04:02 AM
It doesn't matter if he's scared or not. VY's doing what he think is the right thing for his career. I wouldn't want the Texans to draft him but I have nothing against him. I'm pretty sure if you were in his shoes you would do the same thing. Besides to me it's the game play that really matters.:cool:

HoustonFrog
02-22-2006, 01:28 PM
I read that Leinart isn't throwing either. Guess he is an ingrade too:rolleyes: