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dcarey20
02-11-2006, 07:38 PM
underrated:
Jerome Harrison, RB, Washington State: he is said to be a 5th rounder, mostly because of size, but he put up great numbers in the pac-10

Drew Olson, QB, UCLA: very productive in college as well, and he has good size at 6'3" 225

Dontrelle Moore, RB, New Mexico: he would be a 2nd-3rd rounder in any other draft in my opinion, but because of the good depth at RB, he looks like a 4th-6th

Dominique Byrd, TE, USC: he is a very athletic tight end, and he has been overlooked in this draft by his offensive teammates leinart, bush, and white. he is the #2 TE on my board behind Vernon Davis. he didnt have great stats because of all the weapons that USC has.

overrated:
Dwayne Slay, S, Texas Tech:i know this is everyone's favorite sleeper pick, and everyone want the texans to get him, but i think he is a tad bit overrated. dont get me wrong, he can hit, and he is still a good prospect with good potential, i just dont think he is as great as everyone thinks. i still like him, just a little too much hype.

Demeco Ryans, LB, Alabama: he was a great college player, but i just dont think he has the athletic ability to be great at the next level. he will still be a decent player, but not a dominant force. i dont believe he is worth of a first round pick.

LORK 88
02-11-2006, 10:47 PM
UNDERRATED
Taurean Henderson, RB, Texas Tech - reminds me alot of Brian Westbrook because of his shiftiness, quickness, and receiving ability. A lot of people question if he can fit in a traditional offense and I feel he cant. Struggles near the goaline, but is amazing in open field.

Stanley McClover, DE, Auburn - Ended the 2005 season with 13.5 TFLs, 8 sacks, 4 QB hurries, and 3 PBUs (lead Auburn in sacks and TFL). Has good size at 6'3" 260 and is an amazing pass rusher. He has a huge bag of tricks and finds any way possible to get to the QB. He also has the speed and agility to be an LB, but has the size of a DE. Many question his size, but he hits with a force and is good at getting low. The few questions people have about him are mainly his size, his inexperience (left a year early), and his ability against the run (but I feel that his 13.5 TFLs is a good inicator that he's better than expected).

Tim Day, TE, Oregon - Huge TE (6'4" 270) with LOTS of potential. A productive pass catcher who can line up in the slot. Has soft hands and is good working in the middle of the field. He's also a good blocker and does a good job locking his man up. He lacks intensity, but at TE, thats not a hmajor concern and is something that can be worked on. Has the talent, but needs to be developed.

Jason Avant, WR, Michigan - Very agressive WR who fights for every yard he can get. Has good size and decent speed, but runs great routes. Wont drop passes and is a hard worker. He wont be the gamebreaker for you, but he does what he's supposed to and then some.

mexican_texan
02-11-2006, 10:58 PM
UNDERRATED


Jason Avant, WR, Michigan - Very agressive WR who fights for every yard he can get. Has good size and decent speed, but runs great routes. Wont drop passes and is a hard worker. He wont be the gamebreaker for you, but he does what he's supposed to and then some.
A tad off topic, but I played with Michigan in NCAA 06. Avant was my favorite reciever. Anyway, if the texans drafted him, he would have a role similar to Armstrong.

LORK 88
02-11-2006, 11:19 PM
A tad off topic, but I played with Michigan in NCAA 06. Avant was my favorite reciever. Anyway, if the texans drafted him, he would have a role similar to Armstrong.

Agree on the similarity. Avant seems to be a lot more agressive however. I saw him in the Alamo Bowl this past year and he was fiery as hell. He blocked real well and pissed alot of DBs off. He isnt a deep threat (probably runs a solid 4.5), but is great working in the middle running intermediate routes.

another WR thats severly underrated is MIKE HASS. He has decent size but isnt a burner, aka theres nothing real special about him. However, he's a very smart player and allways finds a way to get open and past DBs. He'll slip at the combine because he isnt not a workout warrior, but he'll shine in live drills. I'd call him a combo of Drew Bennett (minus the size), and Brandon Stokely.

BlueThunder
02-12-2006, 04:01 AM
As the combine comes and goes the talent will surface.I like Tim Days size but his production is not what it needs to be.His blocking isn't that good and he will be a reach.It will take atleast 2 years to develope him and will see him at the combine..I would take Robert Royal in FA he has the numbers and could be a great signing at mid level blocking TE wink wink.Washingtons been developing him for me for a while.

BlueThunder
02-12-2006, 04:06 AM
As the combine comes and goes the talent will surface.I like Tim Days size but his production is not what it needs to be.His blocking isn't that good and he will be a reach.It will take atleast 2 years to develope him and will see him at the combine..I would take Robert Royal in FA he has the numbers and could be a great signing at mid level blocking TE wink wink.I'd still draft A top TE every team needs 2 and Royal fits that mold but add a little something.

MorKnolle
02-12-2006, 10:13 AM
I'll throw one out there on the underrated side:
T.J. Williams, TE, N.C. State - I've mentioned him in a couple other posts and he's my emerging dark horse TE that I think will end up being a beast. He has pretty good size (only 6'2" but weighed 261 at Senior Bowl), good strength (supposed to bench press 500+ lbs.) and good speed (supposed to run a 4.48 40), and he had pretty good hands at the Senior Bowl. I don't know a whole lot about his blocking skills but with that strength he should be a great blocker at TE, even if it requires a little teaching.

Coach C.
02-12-2006, 10:22 AM
Like alot of the guys mentioned. Definately a fan of T.J. Williams. I am gonna post an overated guy.

A.J. Hawk- No doubt the guy can play and he will do well in the NFL, but the comparisons to some of the beastly LBs like Arrington and Urlacher have this guys stock way above his potential. I think he is gonna have a great NFL career, but he will never be one of those size, speed, strength freaks.

bdiddy
02-12-2006, 10:53 AM
Overrated:

Vince Young: He is not an immediate savior and should not be protrayed as one. VY will be a quality NFL player, but I am a little tired of everyone already getting the yellow jacket ready in Canton.

Reggie Bush: He too will be a good NFL player, but not as John McClain early proclaimed pre-Rose Bowl, "one of the best players in the history of the NFL draft."

Underrated:

Greg Enslinger - Minnesota center who Kiper now has as going on the second day. He is undersized (290) for most schemes, not Kubiak's, and played in the zone blocking scheme in college. This guy could step in on his first day and start at center. We could get him in the 4th round, this would be a hell of a lot cheaper then McKinney or Bentley.

Mario Williams: This only applies in Houston because everywhere else around the country people realize this guy is a freak.

big homey
02-12-2006, 11:03 AM
Overrated:

Vince Young: He is not an immediate savior and should not be protrayed as one. VY will be a quality NFL player, but I am a little tired of everyone already getting the yellow jacket ready in Canton.

Reggie Bush: He too will be a good NFL player, but not as John McClain early proclaimed pre-Rose Bowl, "one of the best players in the history of the NFL draft."
PLEASE don't turn this into another Bush vs. Young thread, we have too many of those. In fact, I motion that Bush and Young be kept from this thread entirely.

bdiddy
02-12-2006, 11:05 AM
Agreed!

Sorry, I am a Homer :homer:

nunusguy
02-12-2006, 11:16 AM
A.J. Hawk- No doubt the guy can play and he will do well in the NFL, but the comparisons to some of the beastly LBs like Arrington and Urlacher have this guys stock way above his potential. I think he is gonna have a great NFL career, but he will never be one of those size, speed, strength freaks.
And at the same time, I'm seeing in different places that Chad Greenway from Iowa, another OLB like Hawk, is moving up in the ratings because he may very well be more athletic and faster than Hawk and could ultimately be off
the Board before A.J. on Draft day in April.

run-david-run
02-12-2006, 01:04 PM
Underrated- Aaron Harris, MLB UT. Anchored one of the best college defenses, solid tackler. Not well know because of the other players on his team, but should be a solid 4th round pick-up, depending on his combine numbers.

Coach C.
02-12-2006, 01:17 PM
Nun Greenway is starting to show some of that freak type potential, which could move him into the top 10. On some mocks I have seen him go as high as San Fran at 7. It should be an interesting combine with these two guys competing. Just like Run-david-run I am gonna throw in an underrated.

Rocky McIntosh- 3rd-4th round pick, has not had alot of exposure, but played on one of the best defenses in the nation. He translates to the NFL well and his size and athleticism has many comparing him to a poor man's Vilma. He is my pick for the 4th.

YoungTexanFan
02-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Nun Greenway is starting to show some of that freak type potential, which could move him into the top 10. On some mocks I have seen him go as high as San Fran at 7. It should be an interesting combine with these two guys competing. Just like Run-david-run I am gonna throw in an underrated.

Rocky McIntosh- 3rd-4th round pick, has not had alot of exposure, but played on one of the best defenses in the nation. He translates to the NFL well and his size and athleticism has many comparing him to a poor man's Vilma. He is my pick for the 4th.

I agree on McIntosh. He is very athleticly gifted.

I will throw out another MLB sleeper: Nick Reid, 6th-7th rounder. Stud MLB on an average team. Excells at run stuffing, and holds his own everywhere else. He is all of the field and loves to hit and make plays.

uteric3232
02-12-2006, 02:08 PM
Underrated- Aaron Harris, MLB UT. Anchored one of the best college defenses, solid tackler. Not well know because of the other players on his team, but should be a solid 4th round pick-up, depending on his combine numbers.

He got snubbed by the combine...he was not invited

LORK 88
02-12-2006, 02:09 PM
I'll throw one out there on the underrated side:
T.J. Williams, TE, N.C. State - I've mentioned him in a couple other posts and he's my emerging dark horse TE that I think will end up being a beast. He has pretty good size (only 6'2" but weighed 261 at Senior Bowl), good strength (supposed to bench press 500+ lbs.) and good speed (supposed to run a 4.48 40), and he had pretty good hands at the Senior Bowl. I don't know a whole lot about his blocking skills but with that strength he should be a great blocker at TE, even if it requires a little teaching.

He's a horrible blocker against the run and worse against the pass. The problem I have with this guy is he is extremely inconsistent which is not something we need. He's athletic, but compared to guys like Lewis and Davis, he's only average.

Coach C.
02-12-2006, 02:12 PM
I agree on McIntosh. He is very athleticly gifted.

I will throw out another MLB sleeper: Nick Reid, 6th-7th rounder. Stud MLB on an average team. Excells at run stuffing, and holds his own everywhere else. He is all of the field and loves to hit and make plays.

YTF where is Nick Reid from so I can watch the tape of the kid.

Jack Bauer
02-12-2006, 02:13 PM
YTF where is Nick Reid from so I can watch the tape of the kid.

I think he played for Kansas.

YoungTexanFan
02-12-2006, 02:36 PM
YTF where is Nick Reid from so I can watch the tape of the kid.

Nick Reid is a MLB from Kansas.

He has a lot of nice awards from last year and this year. He beat out the likes of DJ and others for some of those awards also.

kastofsna
02-12-2006, 03:50 PM
overrated:

vince young, QB, texas - should be drafted in the later rounds with all the other big project QBs. could be great, but not worthy of a top 3 pick.
haloti ngata, DT, oregon - great talent, but is too damn lazy. takes way too many plays off.
dwayne slay, S, texas tech - people want him because of one hit he's made. wow.

underrated:

mike hass, WR, oregon state - the next michael irvin. pure playmaker.
greg eslinger, C, minnesota - not sure why he's slipped on people's boards. he's great. size is an issue? no it's not.
ray edwards, DE, purdue - had an off year, but he's the kinda guy who will slip in the draft and have an explosive rookie season. happens every year.

Coach C.
02-12-2006, 03:56 PM
kastofsna- I think VY does warrant a high pick but I agree if not for the Rose Bowl hype he would not be a top 3 guy. Dwayne Slay is mostly considered a 4-7th round guy which is pretty accurate, because all he can do is make some tackles. Now as for your underated guys. Mike Haas I really like this kid, he reminds me of a cross between Ricky Proehl and Wayne Chrebet. The guy just makes catches, but I am not sure of the MI playmaker part, Eslinger is one guy who I did not know was slipping. Everyone that I talk to says he is a solid C and a solid late 2nd to 3rd round pick. I just think the jump of Nick Mangold may have gotten Eslinger off peoples lips. Ray Edwards I think the guy is solid, but he reminds me of a Chris Canty kind or guy. He will be a late round steal, and just be solid. He has a good bit of work to do at the next level though. I really like your picks though. Would have thought you would have put Bush in there also.

YoungTexanFan
02-12-2006, 10:08 PM
Overrated:
VY
Bush
Cutler
Vernon Davis (if he goes top 15)
Mangold
Bunkley
Michael Huff (if he goes top 15)
AJ Hawk
Daryn Colledge
Eric Winston (if he goes 1st round)
Winston Justice (if he goes top 20 - bust waiting to happen)



Underrated:
Mercedes Lewis
Omar Jacobs
Brodie Croyle
Lenord Pople
Manny Lawson (if drafted as a tweener)
Ray Edwards (my defensive sleeper - stud under radar)
Siorence Moss
Mike Hass
Ko Simpson
McIntosh
Kai Parnham
Greenway
Aaron Harris


This list is just off the top of my head. There is a way bigger one saved on the other computer somewhere.

Coach C.
02-13-2006, 09:19 AM
Like most of the list other than Eric Winston i would say he is underrated. That should change after the combine though.

kbourda
02-13-2006, 09:31 AM
Are you guys serious? VY overrated? Are you people really in flat out denial mode or what?

MorKnolle
02-13-2006, 10:12 AM
Are you guys serious? VY overrated? Are you people really in flat out denial mode or what?

I agree that Bush and Vince are both overrated by some people on this board (not the same people overrating both, as the people that overrate one tend to underrate the other). I also think VY is overrated by many people in the local media and many local fans, all you have to do is listen to 610 radio for a 30 minute segment where they accept calls to hear all the drastic overratings of Vince.

kbourda
02-13-2006, 02:26 PM
I agree that Bush and Vince are both overrated by some people on this board (not the same people overrating both, as the people that overrate one tend to underrate the other). I also think VY is overrated by many people in the local media and many local fans, all you have to do is listen to 610 radio for a 30 minute segment where they accept calls to hear all the drastic overratings of Vince.

So in essence, you can blame the media for over-covering the players. Look Young and Bush are great talents in their own rights. I don't think they need coupons from anyone (like them or not) to validate their exceptional play. The media coverage plays the biggest part in it though.

whiskeyrbl
02-13-2006, 02:48 PM
underrated:
RB:Jerious Norwood Miss. St. 6' 204 4.38/40,Good vision and instincts.Plays bigger than his size.Is quick to the corner,very quick with a burst,also runs up middle with power.Will break many tackles for x-tra yards.Good hands and durable.
RB:Cedric Humes Virg.Tech 6'1 233 4.58/40,Powerful,bruising runner.Good athlete hits hole fast with authority.Breaks alot of takles,is a load to bring down.Decent reciever,excellent blocker.
DE:Victor Adejanu 6'4 275 4.6/40,Excellent size and frame to get bigger.Speed and Quickness are outstanding,good range and pursues well.Has a great motor and wants to be the best.Tough and durable."Ton of upside,his best football is yet to come."

BlueThunder
02-13-2006, 06:31 PM
The most under rated player in the draft is Vince Young.He is going to ownnnnnnnn the Texans,I guarantee you!WRITE IT DOWN

kastofsna
02-13-2006, 07:53 PM
Mike Haas I really like this kid, he reminds me of a cross between Ricky Proehl and Wayne Chrebet.
that's because he's white. in reality he's nothing like either of them, especially chrebet. he lead the nation in YAC. he's not a possession receiver. he compares most to reggie wayne, although i think he'll be more special

kastofsna
02-13-2006, 07:55 PM
Are you guys serious? VY overrated? Are you people really in flat out denial mode or what?
considering he's being treated like a god or superman by many people, yes, he's overrated. not even the best QB in the draft

YoungTexanFan
02-13-2006, 08:34 PM
considering he's being treated like a god or superman by many people, yes, he's overrated. not even the best QB in the draft

Not even the second best.

Doesnt even have the higest ceiling.

(both those honors go to Omar Jacobs)

Youngstown Colt
02-13-2006, 08:36 PM
that's because he's white. in reality he's nothing like either of them, especially chrebet. he lead the nation in YAC. he's not a possession receiver. he compares most to reggie wayne, although i think he'll be more specialA very fine point.

Sometimes its hard to see a white WR and not compare him to anything but other white recievers. I can see him being a Deion Branch type player. Not really amazing athletes but are quick and shifty after catching the ball. Both have a nice set of hands as well. Altho their is a height difference.

MorKnolle
02-13-2006, 10:33 PM
The most under rated player in the draft is Vince Young.He is going to ownnnnnnnn the Texans,I guarantee you!WRITE IT DOWN

I thought you were starting to come around and then you post something like this, I hope you are messing around.

TexansCanes
02-15-2006, 01:15 AM
underrated:
antoino chromartie, cb fsu: tore up his knee and had to leave school early because of academics but this kid is going to be a pro bowler in a few years.

i agree with jerious norwood. i have seen this guy play and he is very good, but no one knows about him since he played for MSU.

how can you say A.J. is over rated? he has it all and should be able to do what arrington and urlacher have done in the league. i don't think you can question anything about his game he has the size, speed, and instincts to play very well in the nfl.

MorKnolle
02-15-2006, 09:31 AM
underrated:
antoino chromartie, cb fsu: tore up his knee and had to leave school early because of academics but this kid is going to be a pro bowler in a few years.

i agree with jerious norwood. i have seen this guy play and he is very good, but no one knows about him since he played for MSU.

how can you say A.J. is over rated? he has it all and should be able to do what arrington and urlacher have done in the league. i don't think you can question anything about his game he has the size, speed, and instincts to play very well in the nfl.

One key difference between Hawk and Arrington and Urlacher is their size/athleticism. Arrington is 6-3, 255 and Urlacher is 6-4, 258 while Hawk is more like 6-1, 240 according to NFLDraftCountdown.com and Urlacher and Arrington are both faster than Hawk is. Hawk is a very solid player and has very good intangibles, but he doesn't have that physical-freak type of body quite like Arrington and Urlacher to warrant a top 5-6 pick like some people have predicted. LBs don't usually go that high (Arrington was the last one to go above #9) and it generally takes that type of freakish body/athleticism to warrant that high of a pick, so some consider Hawk as overrated and I could see him slipping to around #10 or maybe even lower or going as high as #6. Arrington hasn't lived up to his expectations as a #2 pick either, while Urlacher has probably surpassed his expectations as the #9 pick.