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pittbull
02-11-2006, 06:18 PM
With Ray Lewis being upset and wanting out of Baltimore, what could be a better decision for the Texans, than to bring in Ray Lewis, and head a defense that has been , well let's say....................S-O-F-T!!!! With the Texans switching to a 4-3 defense, and Lewis preferring that style, he would be a perfect addition to a team that needs to add passion, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Most teams don't like to trade within the division, but with houston not posing that much of a threat to the NFL who knows! Kubiak will bring in a great team atmosphere, the offense will add Bush and a free agent lineman, and the defense will switch to what they're better suited for anyway. How to bring in Lewis.........Trade Dominic Davis and second round pick, get Lewis and a born leader and renewed passion in Houston.....Baltimore wants a running back and with Davis being injury prone, let him go to Baltimore.........think about it!:stirpot:

Sportsfan
02-11-2006, 06:34 PM
Hmmm, thats a tough one. Wasn't he out for the '05 season? I'd love to have him, just not sure about his injuries and how much longer he'll last, he's been in the league 10 yrs. Plus, giving up DD, nah, i'll pass.

pittbull
02-11-2006, 06:43 PM
Ray Lewis is a 8 yr vet, from the "U" I might add, and I'll take his injuries over DD. With Bush most likely coming to Houston, why not add muscle and passion in the middle of the defense. He may not want to come to a team rebuilding, but we need to add some form of passion to the defensive side of the ball. Every FA keeps saying how Houston is an attractive team to go to, and we seem to get some, let's try adding a true top player that will place attitude in the locker room. Robinson, Smith, Peek, and Lewis......whoa! Nice attitude to me!:stirpot:

edo783
02-11-2006, 07:11 PM
Probably not. He would be BIG $$$$ and he is at the end of his career. Sure would put some junkyard dog into the defense though.

Hookem Horns
02-11-2006, 07:13 PM
Baltimore isn't in our division so the not wanting to trade within the division doesn't apply here, unless you meant conference.

007
02-11-2006, 07:35 PM
He would help a bad defense in more ways than just the plays he makes on the field. He will bring a kick butt attitude that would not accept mediocrity and half effort.

As far as giving up DD for him, it would be great, but the blackbirds would never go for that deal, and other than David Carr, who has some trade stock, the Texans don't have a whole lot they can give for him, and besides, I truly doubt the blackbirds are as dumb as the Texans, and would never give him up for David Carr, even if they needed a QB.

Concerning Reggie Bush, if you think he will replace DD as an every down back, you missing the boat. Reggie was not even an every down back at SC and certainly was not in there when they needed the critical 1 foot in the RB. Reggie was a great college back and has great instincts in the open field, but IMO will end up being more of a receiver, than a back.

For all of you who think RB is a God, just remember the picture of RB being shadowed, step for step, on a go route by a UT freshman linebacker. Reggie is not as fast as he seemed against the slow footed pac 10 defenses. Remember, the pros are loaded with linebackers that are as fast as that UT linbacker.

The Texans are *****s if they fall for the ESPN hype and waste the #1 pick on Reggie Bush. If they don't take VY, who has tremendously more longterm upside as a pro and is a local hero to boot, then they need to trade the pick and pick up depth.

Go Texans!
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Double Barrel
02-11-2006, 08:04 PM
While Ray Lewis has been one of the great defensive players of all time, I have to wonder at this point what you're getting. Are you buying the reputation? Or will he be as hungry as he was several yeas ago? If it's all about the jack, no way will we win that bidding war. And at this point in his career, with a ring in his pocket, he might be looking to get whatever he can before it ends.

I don't blame him, but he'll be too rich for our blood.

Nighthawk
02-11-2006, 08:07 PM
Ray Lewis would be a killer addition to our corpse.

Tale Gator
02-11-2006, 08:21 PM
Ray Lewis would bring some vet leadership (along with a SB ring) to our team -- if we could get him I think it would be a solid move.

Sportsfan
02-11-2006, 09:17 PM
Ray Lewis is a 8 yr vet

Wrong. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3831

Wolf
02-11-2006, 09:19 PM
I'd rather have Ed Reed out of Baltimore :heh:

Overalls
02-11-2006, 10:45 PM
I don't even want that murderer coming into our stadium for a tour.

Hookem Horns
02-11-2006, 10:53 PM
I don't even want that murderer coming into our stadium for a tour.

We signing OJ?

TexanSam
02-11-2006, 10:59 PM
I don't even want that murderer coming into our stadium for a tour.

I would much rather have Ray Lewis than Terrell Owens. Lewis hasn't been known to break up a locker room. And wasn't he charged not guilty of murder?

mexican_texan
02-11-2006, 11:01 PM
I would much rather have Ray Lewis than Terrell Owens. Lewis hasn't been known to break up a locker room. And wasn't he charged not guilty of murder?
yes, but an accusation is as good as a fact to some people.

Iceman
02-12-2006, 07:34 AM
I don't even want that murderer coming into our stadium for a tour.


I'd like to see him come to Houston just to chase some of the New Orleans folks back home.:redtowel:

rmartin65
02-12-2006, 07:55 AM
He was a heck of a player. If he still has it, then heck yea its a good deal.

bigTEXan8
02-12-2006, 09:26 AM
I can't say that I wouldn't mind having Ray Ray here, but how much is it going to cost the Texans? His leadership would be a great asset, and he'd be a driving force for the rest of the D. I dunno, it would be interesting.

run-david-run
02-12-2006, 09:30 AM
He was defensive player of the year two years ago, yet now a lot of poeple have claimed he has lost it. If he approaches this with a chip on his shoulder, determined to prove people wrong, he could still be one of the top 10 defensive players in the league. If not, we will still get a great leader who would still improve our D. However, I think the #33 would be enough tp get Ray Ray without throwing in DD. Baltimore is going to be rebuilding and they will want all the new talnet they can have, getting rid of and aging and injured Lewis, if he truly wants out of Baltimore, this could work out for everyone.

PapaL
02-12-2006, 09:50 AM
Ray Lewis would bring some vet leadership (along with a SB ring) to our team -- if we could get him I think it would be a solid move.

Isnt that the same thing we said about Jamie Sharper?

Samer
02-12-2006, 12:13 PM
He would be too expensive to keep, we cna use the money and fix a couple positions instead of just 1

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-12-2006, 01:42 PM
I'd rather sign the guy who filled in for him this season, Bart Scott.

Tale Gator
02-12-2006, 02:24 PM
Isnt that the same thing we said about Jamie Sharper?

Should we give up on all players of Sharper's ilk because he didn't work out as planned here in Houston?

PapaL
02-12-2006, 03:02 PM
Should we give up on all players of Sharper's ilk because he didn't work out as planned here in Houston?

If by same ilk you mean players who are either on the decline and about to start declining and their large salaries, the YES. Stay away from them.

Koolbrz
02-12-2006, 03:37 PM
He would help a bad defense in more ways than just the plays he makes on the field. He will bring a kick butt attitude that would not accept mediocrity and half effort.

As far as giving up DD for him, it would be great, but the blackbirds would never go for that deal, and other than David Carr, who has some trade stock, the Texans don't have a whole lot they can give for him, and besides, I truly doubt the blackbirds are as dumb as the Texans, and would never give him up for David Carr, even if they needed a QB.

Concerning Reggie Bush, if you think he will replace DD as an every down back, you missing the boat. Reggie was not even an every down back at SC and certainly was not in there when they needed the critical 1 foot in the RB. Reggie was a great college back and has great instincts in the open field, but IMO will end up being more of a receiver, than a back.

For all of you who think RB is a God, just remember the picture of RB being shadowed, step for step, on a go route by a UT freshman linebacker. Reggie is not as fast as he seemed against the slow footed pac 10 defenses. Remember, the pros are loaded with linebackers that are as fast as that UT linbacker.

The Texans are *****s if they fall for the ESPN hype and waste the #1 pick on Reggie Bush. If they don't take VY, who has tremendously more longterm upside as a pro and is a local hero to boot, then they need to trade the pick and pick up depth.

Go Texans!
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If i'm not mistaken, Bush was not on the field On 4th and 1 because of a coaching decision. Not because he is not good enough. VY was awesome against the 39th ranked defense in the nation. Bush had a combined 170+ yds. and a TD against the 2nd ranked defense in the nation with limited playing time. I don't see how you get that he is not going to be a great player in the NFL. Anyways, Lewis would be a good add. to the Texans. He would bring some attitude to a not so good defense along with some leadership. Something i feel they lost when they let Sharper, Foreman, and Glenn get away. Defense seemed to play much better with them in the lineup.

jmerog
02-12-2006, 03:45 PM
Ray Lewis would be a killer addition to our corpse.
nice pun.was it intentional?

Texans Horror
02-12-2006, 04:08 PM
Should we give up on all players of Sharper's ilk because he didn't work out as planned here in Houston?

And once we got rid of Sharper after the 2004 season, our defense did a superb job without the veteran leadership last year. You can talk stats all you want, but Sharper impacted the team in more than one way, and the Texans definitely suffered this past season for not having veteran leadership. I think bringing in a Kyle Vanden Bosch/Ray Lewis would be a great idea from the standpoint of leadership, which the D lacked.

However, I think last season was a great learning experience for our young group (i.e., having played for the Texans less than 2 years), and I think that many of our defensive players will perform much better this year because of it.

AustinJB
02-12-2006, 04:35 PM
Isnt that the same thing we said about Jamie Sharper?

Jamie Sharper was great for our defense. His leadership was the what we missed the most in the 2005 season.

Anyone that would not want Ray Lewis....I don't understand. While I wouldn't want to necessarily make him the highest paid LB in the league, he would certainly be worth aquiring (given that we determine he isn't too injury prone.) I would not give up DD either. I think picks, etc. would be enough to get him.

While it may be a little risky to get Lewis (b/c of age/injuries) it wouldn't be any riskier than PBurnt (and at least we know what Lewis is capable of if healthy.) Lewis would mean more to the team than Wong, Greenwood, Peek, and Orr combined....Can anyone honestly disagree w/ that?:twocents:

GoBlue
02-12-2006, 04:47 PM
I'd definitely take Lewis- but only for a short term deal like 2-3 yrs with a team option to extend if he stays healthy. I don't think LB's last a long as mnay other positions of the field so buyer beware. That said I would trade DD and a pick for him- that would require us to get Bush though. A bit of a gamble but if it passes Kubiak's whiff test I'm fine with it.

TexanBacker93
02-12-2006, 04:53 PM
I think the biggest problem is with all the money tied up in a few players that aren't already earning the money with stellar play (Walker, Wade, Payne, Smith, McKinney, Greenwood), I don't think the Texans can be a huge factor in free agency. Trading Davis/Carr isn't going to be a great option because of the accelerated cap hit they would take.

ensign_lee
02-12-2006, 05:50 PM
So with this proposed trade, exactly WHEN are we going to address the offensive line?

If we trade DD and our second rounder, we pretty much HAVE to take Bush 1st overall, so no D'Brick for us, and no OT pickup in the second, because the Ravens now have our pick.

That's my problem with this proposed trade.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-12-2006, 06:08 PM
The most the Ravens will get for Ray Lewis is a 2nd round pick. He is an aging veteran that has been prone to injury the past 2 seasons and has recurring shoulder problems.

big homey
02-12-2006, 06:09 PM
So with this proposed trade, exactly WHEN are we going to address the offensive line?

If we trade DD and our second rounder, we pretty much HAVE to take Bush 1st overall, so no D'Brick for us, and no OT pickup in the second, because the Ravens now have our pick.

That's my problem with this proposed trade.
I doubt we would give up much more than a 3rd or 4th with DD to get Ray. DD has a lot of upside and has way more value around the league than we give him. Also, if Lewis really wants out of Baltimore, then the Ravens might lower their demands to get rid of him. Maybe.

Mathis13
02-12-2006, 07:19 PM
Ray Lewis would be a nice addition but he isn't an every down LB and thats probaly the kind of money he'll be asking for. We should use the money to work on our bigger needs like OL :redtowel:

zeplin
02-12-2006, 08:07 PM
He would help a bad defense in more ways than just the plays he makes on the field. He will bring a kick butt attitude that would not accept mediocrity and half effort.

As far as giving up DD for him, it would be great, but the blackbirds would never go for that deal, and other than David Carr, who has some trade stock, the Texans don't have a whole lot they can give for him, and besides, I truly doubt the blackbirds are as dumb as the Texans, and would never give him up for David Carr, even if they needed a QB.

Concerning Reggie Bush, if you think he will replace DD as an every down back, you missing the boat. Reggie was not even an every down back at SC and certainly was not in there when they needed the critical 1 foot in the RB. Reggie was a great college back and has great instincts in the open field, but IMO will end up being more of a receiver, than a back.

For all of you who think RB is a God, just remember the picture of RB being shadowed, step for step, on a go route by a UT freshman linebacker. Reggie is not as fast as he seemed against the slow footed pac 10 defenses. Remember, the pros are loaded with linebackers that are as fast as that UT linbacker.

The Texans are *****s if they fall for the ESPN hype and waste the #1 pick on Reggie Bush. If they don't take VY, who has tremendously more longterm upside as a pro and is a local hero to boot, then they need to trade the pick and pick up depth.

Go Texans!
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I was reading along going yea good point . I was leaning his direction and I got down to the bottom of his post and I realized that he was a yet another although well disguised Vince Young Groupie.
VY is not going to be a Texan you guys need to get over it! Lets get back to the Ray Lewis issue. He would be a great pick up.:homer:

Kaiser Toro
02-13-2006, 08:42 AM
Link of article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11306760/

10 year vet coming off an injury makes me worried. I love his play and his attitude over his career, but I do not want the Texans to overpay for what was.

HoustonFrog
02-13-2006, 08:45 AM
Link of article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11306760/

10 year vet coming off an injury makes me worried. I love his play and his attitude over his career, but I do not want the Texans to overpay for what was.

They were talking about this on 610 this morning. He is still really good but not great. I love the attitude he would bring. I just don't think, after the other screw-ups, that they will trade a 2nd rounder for the guy. They already want a #1, which no one will give and a #2 is something we need to get some younger studs in here.

jerek
02-13-2006, 08:48 AM
Link of article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11306760/

10 year vet coming off an injury makes me worried. I love his play and his attitude over his career, but I do not want the Texans to overpay for what was.

I think Ray Ray will cost a little too much, but if he wanted to be here and was willing to be paid what we could give him, then by all means, sign him the minute he steps off the plane.

His defensive abilities/leadership/tutelage of the younger players is about as well documented as it gets. He would add a lot of fire to this D and be able to mold our younger linebackers. Like KT, I am worried he may cost more than we have or are willing to pay, but I would love to see Ray in Texans blue.

Bullpen Drew
02-13-2006, 08:48 AM
The murder rate would go up!

Kaiser Toro
02-13-2006, 08:52 AM
The murder rate would go up!

That is pure speculation. Right now Cheney is more dangerous than Lewis.

infantrycak
02-13-2006, 08:58 AM
Link of article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11306760/

10 year vet coming off an injury makes me worried. I love his play and his attitude over his career, but I do not want the Texans to overpay for what was.

Talk about cap hitters. If Baltimore trades Lewis, they are going to take about a $10 mil dead cap hit. Even without the burden of his signing bonus, a team trading to get Lewis will owe him $5.5, $6.5 and $6.5 mil for the final three years of his existing contract. Hmmm, one year of Lewis re-proving himself and then two of us talking about his cap hit and lost step--I'll pass.

Kaiser Toro
02-13-2006, 09:01 AM
Talk about cap hitters. If Baltimore trades Lewis, they are going to take about a $10 mil dead cap hit. Even without the burden of his signing bonus, a team trading to get Lewis will owe him $5.5, $6.5 and $6.5 mil for the final three years of his existing contract. Hmmm, one year of Lewis re-proving himself and then two of us talking about his cap hit and lost step--I'll pass.

Thanks for looking into it. I trust the Texans will pass.

Long-Spurs-Texan
02-13-2006, 09:41 AM
What about LeVar Arrington?

MorKnolle
02-13-2006, 10:46 AM
Talk about cap hitters. If Baltimore trades Lewis, they are going to take about a $10 mil dead cap hit. Even without the burden of his signing bonus, a team trading to get Lewis will owe him $5.5, $6.5 and $6.5 mil for the final three years of his existing contract. Hmmm, one year of Lewis re-proving himself and then two of us talking about his cap hit and lost step--I'll pass.

I'll wait for Lewis to retire then offer him $500k per year to be our LBs coach. As for LaVar Arrington, he's in a similar cap situation with Washington and I think we missed our shot at him this past year. Washington said they would have accepted a 4th round pick for Arrington and some kind of deal to pay cash back to make up for some of their cap hit, but we didn't make an offer for him (I would have given up our 4th for Arrington). He still has pretty high base salaries for the remainder of his contract that whatever team he plays for will have to pay, but I think Washington will keep him after he showed the last half of the season that he'll at least play within the system, even though he wasn't extremely productive, but I think they'll still hang onto him.

ojthecat
02-13-2006, 12:01 PM
HELLO!!!

Ray Lewis will not be coming to the Texans.

End of story.

SBTexans08
02-13-2006, 12:53 PM
He was defensive player of the year two years ago, yet now a lot of poeple have claimed he has lost it. If he approaches this with a chip on his shoulder, determined to prove people wrong, he could still be one of the top 10 defensive players in the league. If not, we will still get a great leader who would still improve our D. However, I think the #33 would be enough tp get Ray Ray without throwing in DD. Baltimore is going to be rebuilding and they will want all the new talnet they can have, getting rid of and aging and injured Lewis, if he truly wants out of Baltimore, this could work out for everyone.
Comeback Player of The Year, anyone??? :woot2

Sportsfan
02-13-2006, 01:17 PM
HELLO!!!

Ray Lewis will not be coming to the Texans.

End of story.




Agreed

infantrycak
02-13-2006, 06:25 PM
Niether will Vince :stirpot:

Please stay on the topic of the thread so not every thread turns into a Carr/VY debate. Thanks.

jaayteetx
02-13-2006, 06:31 PM
amen!

Tale Gator
02-13-2006, 08:14 PM
It's hard to believe Ray Ray has been playing for 10 years now --- it just seems like yesterday when he was a youngster slashing his way into the NFL.

NEROtheZERO
02-13-2006, 09:47 PM
HELLO!!!

Ray Lewis will not be coming to the Texans.

End of story.
Well, ****, I am convinced.

Texas
02-14-2006, 02:28 PM
I dont see it happening but ray lewis is a good player and if we can pick him up that would be a great addition.

El Tejano
02-14-2006, 02:30 PM
Well this team needs a leader somewhere. That is true leadership right there. Even if we got this dude for only a year it would be a great help to us. However, I don't see him coming from one losing team to another.

whiskeyrbl
02-14-2006, 02:34 PM
If we try to get a LB i agree stay away from Ray,lets try for Julian Peterson(SF),Akin Ayodele(JAX),or Wil Witherspoon(CAR)

kingdee09
02-16-2006, 07:42 PM
no i disagree with this ray lewis is a good player i would like to have him but man its to much money cap room penalties are very risky. if it was someone like Brian Urlacher man id take him in a heart beat. it would be to much of a hassle we could use the money to rebuild the team