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Darporini
02-10-2006, 06:25 PM
Hello everyone. I'm new here. I just wanted to make an observation about our beloved Texans.

Looking back over the results and statistics of the season, this team lost six games by seven points or less. It seems to me, with one or two plays per game going the other way, the Texans could have finished the season at 8-8, instead of 2-14.

I guess my point in all of this is, despite the poor coaching job, injuries and overall poor play, there is definately enough talent on this team to be very competitive.

I strongly believe the Texans can turn it around next year given the new coaching staff, a smart and competent draft, and the switch to the 4-3.

TexanSam
02-10-2006, 06:35 PM
I don't think we were good enough for 8-8 this year. We could have finished 5-11 or 6-10 though. I could see us going 7-9 or 8-8 next year though. I think Carr will improve tremendously in his first year under Kubiak and Domanick Davis and Reggie Bush will be a two headed monster in the backfield. If we can give Carr some decent protection and get a quality TE and/or a 2nd WR, we might e even finish in the top half in offense. That still leaves the defense, but we can't get any worse than 32nd can we?

Wordem
02-10-2006, 07:02 PM
Yes. They won two games. They aren't doing squat for at least two years.

run-david-run
02-11-2006, 10:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I went through all of the games we could have won last season, and I was geniuenly surprised by how much better we could have been. However, we did get blown out A LOT. We have to be able to keep games like Seattle, KC, Pitt, Indy in the second half and Jags in the second half much closer. If we can find a way to win the close ones, something that has plagued this team for a long time, we shouldnt be drafting anywhere near number 1 anytime soon.

Vinny
02-11-2006, 10:13 AM
Worst offense in football....worst defense in football. Hmmm, we only have 31 teams to climb.

CaptainPatriot
02-11-2006, 10:20 AM
Put it this way . It can't get any worse. No way to go but up :redtowel:

Texas_Heat
02-11-2006, 10:32 AM
I think they will start to get it right and this team will be 8-8 next season :goodbad: but that's the same thing I said last year so most Likely the new coaching staff will be :stooges: and they will finish 2-14 again.:eek:

TexanBacker93
02-11-2006, 10:38 AM
That's always been Capers thing. Keep games close until the 2nd half and then hope for the best. It was tremendous in years one and two when they took teams to the final play (Colts and Titans), took the Super Bowl Champs to OT (Pats), beat the NFC's Super Bowl representative (Panthers), and won an ugly game on the road against this year's Super Bowl champ (Steelers). The problem with the hold it close until half card is if you get down big quickly it deflates the team and leads to a bad loss. Anyone remember the Bengals game in year 1? I know people can't forget the Browns game in year 3.

The Texans were caught up in a hard first 8 games. They played both Super Bowl participants and got beat handily in both. It could have been more competitive, but most teams lost to the Steelers and Seahawks this season so that's no crime. Losing on the road to the vastly improved Bengals wasn't hard to believe, but they did have a chance to win it. The Jags on the road was another that was lost in the 4th quarter. Jags and Texans could go either way no matter how good or bad one of the teams is doing. They had the Colts tied at half, but couldn't do anything with it in the second half. It's that hope for the best philosophy that didn't work. The loss to the Titans was tough, especially after sweeping them last season. Still, they are a rival and were ready for the game. The only fully inexcusable loss to me was to the Bills who aren't very good. A couple of bounces different in the Jags and Bengals game and they are looking at 3-5 at the halfway mark instead of 1-7. Their last 5 losses were games that winning teams pull out. The Chiefs and Colts were far and away better and even good teams lose to them. The Texans are up on the Jags at half, and lose. They are up on the Titans, Ravens, and Rams in the 4th quarter and lose. They are up against the 49ers early and then have a chance at the end and lose. These are the games that make a team 2-14. I'm convinced that if Kubiak coached last year against the same teams in the same situations the team finishes 9-7. Not in a playoff position, but 2 games better than the previous year. I don't think you can play the time of possession game against NFL offenses. How many times did we hear Capers mention that they won the T.O.P game and couldn't see why they didn't win the game? It's about putting points on the board and keeping your boot on the other team's throat so they can't come back and beat you.

The Texans season reminded me of the Chargers season in 2003. They came off an 8-8 season in 2002. They got rid of Seau and Harrison for younger, cheaper players. They went out that next year with improved expectations and stunk it up. They went 4-12 and ended up with the first pick in the draft. They used that leverage to get a QB, and this year's #1 from the Giants got them Shawn Merriman. The only mistake was getting a QB when it turned out they didn't need one. They went out in 2005 and went 12-4 and won the AFC West.

In summation, this team isn't far from being in the mix. Considering the line play was awful, the defense struggled mightily at times, AJ took turns being Bradford with his catching ability, DD was hurt (again), the team didn't turn the ball over until the Seahawk game, and they got rid of their defensive leaders. I don't think the Texans go 12-4, but I don't think 8-8 is out of the question.

Kaiser Toro
02-11-2006, 11:59 AM
I think we have some very good role players and no playmakers to be honest. I have never felt whether it was on defense or offense and we needed to make a play I knew I could count on one individual to make the play or be in the mix. Just a feel thing and not possible to quantify.

I feel we are a play maker away on the Oline and two playmakers away on defense to get there. We have some nice talented parts, but no one that can even come close to changing a half or dominating there counterpart on the other side of the ball.

This offseason is important, we need to take advantage of the Kubiak intoxication, while it lasts, in FA.

Bobo
02-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Hello everyone. I'm new here. I just wanted to make an observation about our beloved Texans.

Looking back over the results and statistics of the season, this team lost six games by seven points or less. It seems to me, with one or two plays per game going the other way, the Texans could have finished the season at 8-8, instead of 2-14.

And with one play in both the Cleveland and Arizona games, you'd be looking at an 0-16 team.

Bobo
02-11-2006, 10:43 PM
i think we will actually make it to the wild card

i know you think im stupid for saying that but i have a feeling with kubiak as head coach

Kubiak as HC is exactly why we WON'T make it to the wildcard -- or anywhere close.

Big B Texan Fan
02-11-2006, 10:49 PM
It'd be interesting to know how many of those "close games" we had were where we pulled to within a 6-8 points but they were garbage points at the end of games where the other team has in their back-ups? I'd say 2-3 of them if my memory serves me correctly.

Wharton
02-11-2006, 10:57 PM
Yep, we are that far off. As Bill Parcells always says, "you are your record". We are 2-14. The worst team in the NFL and nothing has changed that fact.

I like the move for Kubiak, I don't like the Carr extension. Unless we get some more talent, we are looking at a sub .500 team again.

Big78
02-11-2006, 11:15 PM
Worst offense in football....worst defense in football. Hmmm, we only have 31 teams to climb.

you mean like the 49ers, rams, cardinals, lions, bills, dolphins, titans, and BROWNS? if we and up behind most of these teams again i will be shocked and DEEPLY disturbed. Theres a wild card spot in '06 with the name "Texans" branded on it. :fans:

Big B Texan Fan
02-11-2006, 11:50 PM
Theres a wild card spot in '06 with the name "Texans" branded on it. :fans:
:pigfly:

stevo3883
02-11-2006, 11:52 PM
Is the sun REALLY that far away?

Big B Texan Fan
02-12-2006, 12:00 AM
Is the sun REALLY that far away?
Casserly, McNair, and Kubes will say no.

mexican_texan
02-12-2006, 12:50 AM
I'll tell you right now, the main thing the Texans FO have to work on is lines. The better the lines played, the better the team played. At times, the D-line looked elite. Other times, they looked atrocious. The o-line, on the other hand, was usually horrible and average at their best. I was thinking that I have not seen an offense fail when they have a good O-line. I have not seen a QB play badly behind a suitable O-line.

tulexan
02-12-2006, 01:04 AM
It'd be interesting to know how many of those "close games" we had were where we pulled to within a 6-8 points but they were garbage points at the end of games where the other team has in their back-ups? I'd say 2-3 of them if my memory serves me correctly.


Just off the top of my head

Rams-gave up 10 points in 32 seconds
Ravens-gave up game winning drive in last minute
Titans-gave up game winning drive in last minute, missed 30 yard game tying field goal
Niners-missed game winning field goal at the end of the game, threw game ending interception in overtime
Jags-bradford dropped game tying touchdown on fourth down at the end of the game
Bengals-"the fumble"

TexanBacker93
02-12-2006, 08:43 AM
It'd be interesting to know how many of those "close games" we had were where we pulled to within a 6-8 points but they were garbage points at the end of games where the other team has in their back-ups? I'd say 2-3 of them if my memory serves me correctly.


The Bengals was pretty close most of the game. It was ugly, but they were tied going into the 4th quarter.

The Texans led the Jaguars 14-7 in the early 4th and allowed Jacksonville to score 14 in the final quarter to their 0. As stated before, Bradford did drop the ball at the end. It would have been a 1st down, though. Still, it would have been at the 4 and they still had time to score.

The St. Louis game will never be forgotten. Texans led 24-3 at half, 24-10 at the start of the 4th. and 27-17 with under a minute to go.

The Ravens and the Texans traded scores most of the game. The Ravens led going into the 4th, but the Texans took the lead with just over a minute left. They then let Kyle Boller take them down the field for the game winner.

The Texans led the Titans 10-3 at half. They were tied going into the 4th. Kris Brown "missed" a chip shot to send the game to OT.

The Texans led the Jags at half and then took the lead again at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Vic Fangio's defense then let the Jags score 21 unanswered to end the game. The last TD was definitely a "garbage" score.

The Texans led the 49ers 10-0 through 1. They led were tied at 17 through 3. Missed the FG at the end of regulation. They lost the game in OT.


That's a quick recap of the 7 games that the Texans should have won. None of them had the Texans getting cheap points. Earlier I didn't count that second Jags game, but it was within reach. Still, as someone pointed out earlier, you are only as good as your record. The Texans lost 7 games because they couldn't close it out in the 4th quarter. That's coaching. That's coming out with a hesitant 2nd half playbook. No matter how poorly they played to start the season, if the Texans ended with 9 wins, which was possible, nobody would be calling this team the joke of the league.

Carr is the focal point of many people's disgust. Take out that Buffalo game and he had a passer rating of 84, I believe. He threw 14 TDs to 8 Ints. Not enough TDs, but that's play calling, drops, lack of blocking, and him not finding a receiver. 8 Ints is a very good number. With a playmaker on the defensive side of the ball to partner with Dunta, and a line upgrade, this team is closer to being 10-6 than 0-16. I still say 8-8 will be where they fall this season.

Wolf
02-12-2006, 08:49 AM
when yall put it this way.. we where close to .500 with all the close games (well within a play or two) ..wow and we had what? 31st ranked offense and 32nd ranked defense???

suprised me seeing the stats like like that in a list where I could see it as a whole.

AustinJB
02-12-2006, 03:54 PM
Could of, should of, would of......non of this matters. The fact is...we were a 2-14 team in 2005.

We lost several games in the last few seconds BECAUSE we had a 31st ranked offense and 32nd ranked defense. Many championship teams win in the last minutes...why? B/c they are good enough to do what it takes when the game is on the line. The same way bad teams have a chance to win but don't capitalize on those opportunities.

Bottom line is, we were 2-14 b/c we played at that level. It doesn't matter what "could have" happened. I DO expect significant improvement in our team, but we're not going to have a top 10 defense or top 10 offense this year IMO. It will take a little time to get to that level. No playoffs this year....6-10 record at best IMO.

Coach C.
02-12-2006, 04:16 PM
I dont want to speculate on the record till Camp starts and I can see the guys work. I think this team has the talent to be competitive this year, but it will depend on how well Carr and the rest of the team picks up the new defense and offense. I would love to see us go strong for the trenches this offseason and I think if that is done we will see a drastic improvement in the play of our team. I think we need two or three OLs and two DLs to really get the job done in the trenches. Richard Smith will have the LBs ready to go and Hoke will have the secondary in ball hawk mode instead of crazy Fangio-esque zones. I am pretty excited right now, but that could change with an owner squabbled CBA, bad FA acquisition, and poor draft. Here is to you Kube keep the excitement going.

Texans Horror
02-12-2006, 04:25 PM
I've had the same sentiments about last year's record. There were a lot of games that seemed like near misses, but I have to admit - the Texans sucked. That was some of the worst football I've ever seen.

The good news is that a lot of it was Pendry and Capers. I honestly believe that Kubiak is as good as you can look on record for being a coordinator transitioning to head coach. So having a new coach will really improve things.

That being said, there is a lot of offseason to go. Free Agency, Draft...too many questions to say what it will look like next year.

Also, a key aspect to next season, IMO, is that we will be playing the NFC East, not West. Instead of playing the likes of Arizona and San Fran, we will be playing Dallas and Philly. As difficult as last season's schedule was, I think it has gotten more difficult.

TexanBacker93
02-12-2006, 04:59 PM
I guess the thing I left out of my last post on the game by game scenarios is with a couple of plays they could also have been 0-16.

Browns - Buchanon makes the luckiest pass deflection in his career. It was right in front of me in the South End Zone and he misplayed it and mistimed his jump. He was lucky to get a hand on it. He misses it and the Brownies beat us in our house for the 2nd year in a row.

Cards - Were without their top 2 QBs and although the game wasn't close on the scoreboard it wasn't like the Texans really put them away.

edo783
02-12-2006, 06:37 PM
I was thinking that I have not seen an offense fail when they have a good O-line. I have not seen a QB play badly behind a suitable O-line.


Ding, Ding, Ding give that man a Kewpie Doll. We have a winner. :redtowel:

thunderkyss
02-12-2006, 07:52 PM
I dont want to speculate on the record till Camp starts and I can see the guys work. I think this team has the talent to be competitive this year, but it will depend on how well Carr and the rest of the team picks up the new defense and offense. I would love to see us go strong for the trenches this offseason and I think if that is done we will see a drastic improvement in the play of our team. I think we need two or three OLs and two DLs to really get the job done in the trenches. Richard Smith will have the LBs ready to go and Hoke will have the secondary in ball hawk mode instead of crazy Fangio-esque zones. I am pretty excited right now, but that could change with an owner squabbled CBA, bad FA acquisition, and poor draft. Here is to you Kube keep the excitement going.


Three offensive linemen....... more than half. Two Defensive linemen... half. New Coaches....... Head coach, Assistant Coach, Offensive Quality Coach, QB Coach, Defensive coordinator..... New Offensive system, New Defensive system... sssshhhheeeeewwwwwww........... I'm glad we aren't having to rebuild.


I wish I had the memory of TexanBacker93. All I remember is the let down, week after week. I also remember we were sooooo close. I don't like the move going to the 4-3.... I like the 3-4. I think there is a reason that it is harder to learn, I think there is a reason it is more difficult for offenses to grasp. Our players were saying they were finally getting it at the end of the season.....
On offense, I hope we have more in common with Denver than most people think. So that we are actually perfecting the O, and not learning a new system.

I personally think we have the rough tools to actually do something this year. But if we are rebuilding.......

Big B Texan Fan
02-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Just off the top of my head

Rams-gave up 10 points in 32 seconds
Ravens-gave up game winning drive in last minute
Titans-gave up game winning drive in last minute, missed 30 yard game tying field goal
Niners-missed game winning field goal at the end of the game, threw game ending interception in overtime
Jags-bradford dropped game tying touchdown on fourth down at the end of the game
Bengals-"the fumble"
Yeah but the fix was in for the Titans and Niners games and one would agree that it was in for the Rams game as well. At least that's what I believe. This FO was crapping their pants over Bush that they may have mailed a few in on purpose.

Wharton
02-12-2006, 10:24 PM
Casserly, McNair, and Kubes will say no.

Of coarse they would say no, they are trying to make money or keep thier jobs. Until we start winning on a consistant basis, we have a long way to go.

edo783
02-12-2006, 10:52 PM
Yeah but the fix was in for the Titans and Niners games and one would agree that it was in for the Rams game as well. At least that's what I believe. This FO was crapping their pants over Bush that they may have mailed a few in on purpose.

And the other shooter on the grassy knoll was a grey alien.:spy: