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Big B Texan Fan
02-09-2006, 06:54 PM
I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Here's the link:
http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/2005ob.html

It seems as though Lendale was the feature back once again in a big game.
Lendale had 15 carries for 118 yrds and 2 td's. No rec. yrds.

Bush had only 6 carries for 79 yrds. 12.5 avg, why only 6 carries though.
Bush had only 2 rec for 31 yrds.
Bush did all the return work and had only 1 PR for 7 yrd and 2 KR for 36, an 18 yrd avg
Bush had no td's at all in this game.

Sure Bush won the Heisman a season later but his 500 yd + game against Fresno was the deciding factor in that, heck they lost to Nevada a week later.

Maybe since the game was out of hand is the reason he was underused or it was because he is uneffective in big games (garbage yrds). The OU defense stunk it up though but there were 3 defensive guys that were drafted by the NFL in the following draft, Tommy Harris in the 1st - Tedy Lehman in the 2nd - and Derick Strait in the 3rd.
This is about as close to a vision of what he'll be able to do against NFL talent as any, not to mention the UT game.

Jeez, when there is a big game with some NFL defensive talent or superior coaching on the other sideline this guy (bush) seems to be just an above avg player, nothing special. What's up with that. Anyone wanna google up his stats against ND this season.

So I ask the question again, why do we want this guy on the team with the #1 overalll selection? I've got my own smokescreen thoery but I've posted that enough, maybe I'll get another chance later on after a few qoutes come thru.

chuckm
02-09-2006, 06:55 PM
I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.


Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?

the-wiz
02-09-2006, 06:58 PM
I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Here's the link:
http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/2005ob.html

It seems as though Lendale was the feature back once again in a big game.
Lendale had 15 carries for 118 yrds and 2 td's. No rec. yrds.

Bush had only 6 carries for 79 yrds. 12.5 avg, why only 6 carries though.
Bush had only 2 rec for 31 yrds.
Bush did all the return work and had only 1 PR for 7 yrd and 2 KR for 36, an 18 yrd avg
Bush had no td's at all in this game.

Sure Bush won the Heisman a season later but his 500 yd + game against Fresno was the deciding factor in that, heck they lost to Nevada a week later.

Maybe since the game was out of hand is the reason he was underused or it was because he is uneffective in big games (garbage yrds). The OU defense stunk it up though but there were 3 defensive guys that were drafted by the NFL in the following draft, Tommy Harris in the 1st - Tedy Lehman in the 2nd - and Derick Strait in the 3rd.
This is about as close to a vision of what he'll be able to do against NFL talent as any, not to mention the UT game.

Jeez, when there is a big game with some NFL defensive talent or superior coaching on the other sideline this guy (bush) seems to be just an above avg player, nothing special. What's up with that. Anyone wanna google up his stats against ND this season.

So I ask the question again, why do we want this guy on the team with the #1 overalll selection? I've got my own smokescreen thoery but I've posted that enough, maybe I'll get another chance later on after a few qoutes come thru.


12.5 yards a carry is not above average. it's phenomenal. They scored 38 points in the first half. Of those 38 points, 21 were from passes completed from over 30 yards. If we should be comparing anything, it's that Leinart threw for 5 touchdowns and 330 yards in only 3 quarters of work. He didn't throw a pass in the 4th.

stevo3883
02-09-2006, 07:00 PM
Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?


perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY

AustinJB
02-09-2006, 07:01 PM
Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?

Sure. Just keep in mind that VY worked very hard during the offseason to improve his passing.

That is one of the things that made this season so impressive....the fact that he is a hard worker that is willing to improve upon his abilities.

chuckm
02-09-2006, 07:03 PM
Sure. Just keep in mind that VY worked very hard during the offseason to improve his passing.

That is one of the things that made this season so impressive....the fact that he is a hard worker that is willing to improve upon his abilities.


so they are fair game but with a caveat? ... :rolleyes: ... did Bush work hard between 2004 & 2005?

the-wiz
02-09-2006, 07:05 PM
Sure. Just keep in mind that VY worked very hard during the offseason to improve his passing.

That is one of the things that made this season so impressive....the fact that he is a hard worker that is willing to improve upon his abilities.

I've never known any college players that worked hard during the offseason. Maybe that was what A&M's problem was this year. Nothing but a bunch of slackers. :ok:

AustinJB
02-09-2006, 07:08 PM
so they are fair game but with a caveat? ... :rolleyes: ... did Bush work hard between 2004 & 2005?

I don't know....did Bush improve upon anything.:rolleyes:

Could have worked on running between the tackles to show that he is not only a speedy-type back.

That is what VY did. There were many criticizing his passing abilities after 2004, so he improved to get better prepared for the NFL. :superman:

Runner
02-09-2006, 07:10 PM
perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY

That was bashing?

AustinJB
02-09-2006, 07:14 PM
I've never known any college players that worked hard during the offseason. Maybe that was what A&M's problem was this year. Nothing but a bunch of slackers. :ok:

Is this sarcastic, or are you actually doubting that VY worked during the offseason?

It's a well-know fact (at least in Austin) that VY got together w/ his young receivers and worked on his passing and timing w/ them. This was all before the coaches were even allowed to work w/ the players. It may not be the norm, but that is just a testament of his dedication and work ethic.:ok:

Wordem
02-09-2006, 07:16 PM
LenDale is the better back. RB = Eric Metcalf

chuckm
02-09-2006, 07:17 PM
perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY


I, personally, have no desire to bash anyone much less VY .... I will point out hypocrisy when I see it ....

chuckm
02-09-2006, 07:17 PM
LenDale is the better back. RB = Eric Metcalf


mark it down ..

stevo3883
02-09-2006, 07:29 PM
I, personally, have no desire to bash anyone much less VY .... I will point out hypocrisy when I see it ....


there was no hypocrisy. he never even mentioned vince.

Grid
02-09-2006, 07:40 PM
Bush was used as a "situational" back in some games for USC.. heck..alot of them..if not all of them.

This is the biggest knock against him.. but really I dont think it matters all that much. You are drafting him based on what he did do when he touched the ball...and what he DID do was amazing.

His stats in the OU game are NOT "bad".. 12.5 yards per rushing attempt is amazing..and 15.5 per reception aint too shabby either.

I can understand questioning his worth as #1 overall, based on the fact that he wasnt the feature back. But what I cant stand is when people say that Lendale was the back that carried that team... that just isnt true. Lendale averaged 14 carries per game... Bush averaged 15.. they split carries, pure and simple.. and when Bush had the ball, you can see just how much better he did. If you think White is a good back, then Bush is a superstar.

Anyway.. put 10 more pounds on Bush (not an issue).. and give him 20 carries a game.. and I will bet you money that he earns his salary as the #1 pick. DD can be our Lendale.

Carr Bombed
02-09-2006, 08:00 PM
Bush was still a young player in 2004 and wasn't used as often as he was in 2005, its that simple. Plus when you analyze the game Lendale only had 15 carries and Bush had six, the Trojans weren't running the ball that day. If you remember that game the Trojans were underdogs and heard for two weeks how they wouldn't be able to stop OU's offense are be able to handle OU's defense (sound familar) so for most of the game they just threw 3 wr sets out and piled it on that day.

How about you go pull up Matt Lienart's numbers, because with the numbers he put up that day from the pocket, with your thinking maybe we should draft him.

Lucky
02-09-2006, 08:19 PM
Does this make VY's 2004 stats fair game?
Why wouldn't they be?

Vince's numbers vs OU in '04
Passing: 8-23 - 86 yards , 0 TDs, 0 Ints, 3 sacks, 46.6 passer rating
Rushing: 16 att 54 yards, 0 TDs
Final Score: OU 12, Team Vince zero

A thread bashing Bush's performance against OU in the '05 BCS championship game is really beyond belief. The more he's bashed, the better he looks.

Errant Hothy
02-09-2006, 08:46 PM
perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY

perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash Reggie Bush.

See it DOES go both eays
:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Kaiser Toro
02-09-2006, 08:51 PM
Reggie is great. Vince is great. But trading down is the trump of trumps for the Texans.

Big B Texan Fan
02-09-2006, 08:58 PM
The thread author (me) never brought up VY.

YodAa
02-09-2006, 09:03 PM
I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Here's the link:
http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/2005ob.html

It seems as though Lendale was the feature back once again in a big game.
Lendale had 15 carries for 118 yrds and 2 td's. No rec. yrds.

Bush had only 6 carries for 79 yrds. 12.5 avg, why only 6 carries though.
Bush had only 2 rec for 31 yrds.
Bush did all the return work and had only 1 PR for 7 yrd and 2 KR for 36, an 18 yrd avg
Bush had no td's at all in this game.

Sure Bush won the Heisman a season later but his 500 yd + game against Fresno was the deciding factor in that, heck they lost to Nevada a week later.

Maybe since the game was out of hand is the reason he was underused or it was because he is uneffective in big games (garbage yrds). The OU defense stunk it up though but there were 3 defensive guys that were drafted by the NFL in the following draft, Tommy Harris in the 1st - Tedy Lehman in the 2nd - and Derick Strait in the 3rd.
This is about as close to a vision of what he'll be able to do against NFL talent as any, not to mention the UT game.

Jeez, when there is a big game with some NFL defensive talent or superior coaching on the other sideline this guy (bush) seems to be just an above avg player, nothing special. What's up with that. Anyone wanna google up his stats against ND this season.

So I ask the question again, why do we want this guy on the team with the #1 overalll selection? I've got my own smokescreen thoery but I've posted that enough, maybe I'll get another chance later on after a few qoutes come thru.

Hmm maybe he was used so little since the Trojans had a Heisman QB that was expected to leave so they were giving that guy a proper fairwell while still getting a lot of production from very little tries with Bush, heck I see this as more of a plus than minus, 12.5 YPC holy crap! DD averages about 3.9

YoungnotBush
02-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Why wouldn't they be?

Vince's numbers vs OU in '04
Passing: 8-23 - 86 yards , 0 TDs, 0 Ints, 3 sacks, 46.6 passer rating
Rushing: 16 att 54 yards, 0 TDs
Final Score: OU 12, Team Vince zero

A thread bashing Bush's performance against OU in the '05 BCS championship game is really beyond belief. The more he's bashed, the better he looks.

That OU game was Vince's first start, here's a game Reggie played later that year:

Reggie Bush's stats against Cal 2004
rushes: 17-82 0 TDs 4.8 avg. rec: 1-4 0 TDs 86 total yds & 0 total tds

And one Vince played later:

Vince Young's stats 2004 Rose Bowl against Michigan

Rushing: 21-192 4 TDs 60 long 9.1 avg. Passing: 16 for 18 1 Int 1 TD


and don't forget He beat the unbeatable!!!!

I thought you always upgrade the position of QB, especially with the type of upgrade this would be, considering Domanick Davis is a great RB also. QB's win Super Bowls, plain and simple.

pskinny
02-09-2006, 09:22 PM
Reggie Bush's stats against Cal
rushes: 17-82 0 TDs 4.8 avg. rec: 1-4 0 TDs 86 total yds & 0 total tds


Vince Young's stats 2004 Rose Bowl against Michigan

Rushing: 21-192 4 TDs 60 long 9.1 avg. Passing: 16 for 18 1 Int 1 TD


and don't forget He beat the unbeatable!!!!

I thought you always upgrade the position of QB, especially with the type of upgrade this would be, considering Domanick Davis is a great RB also. QB's win Super Bowls, plain and simple.

I don't get it. What's the point of this comparison?

Domanick is a "great" RB?

YoungnotBush
02-09-2006, 09:27 PM
If people can start bringing up Vince Young first start, then I can bring up a game that was played alot later in the year, right?


DD is at least a very good RB and could be a great RB if he plays a full season. He does need some more rest, but not half his carries.

When is the last time a RB won the Super Bowl? Seattle had the best RB by far, they couldn't win the big game.

YoungnotBush
02-09-2006, 09:34 PM
Defenses stack up against the RB's and can make the QB beat them anytime they want. There is no defense for a Great QB, especially one with the uncanny running ability of Vince Young. A few lineman to boot, later in the draft and alot of defensive players, now we are talking. Not to mention we could trade Carr for alot, considering his upside. That could be all it takes to create a Super Bowl team, especially with pieces like DD and AJ.

QB's still win titles, just ask Matt Leinart.

pskinny
02-09-2006, 10:01 PM
When is the last time a RB won the Super Bowl? Seattle had the best RB by far, they couldn't win the big game.

I'm still confused. What do you mean "when was the last time a RB won a Superbowl?" You have to be pretty good at all positions to win a Superbowl, or a national championship for that matter. I don't think this is about who is the better player, it's about what route does the Franchise want to take towards their future. Just admit, both are great players. We already have a QB the franchise has invested millions in. Kubiak gives Carr his full endorsement. What is McNair to do? He must trust his new coaches descision. That's what he hired him for. Bush is the man whether you like it or not.

Wait, this is a good thing. We are getting the most exciting RB to come out of college, since Ricky "Sticky Icky" Willaims. Now show a little enthusiasm. He's our new Texan. Welcome him.

Grid
02-09-2006, 10:07 PM
look at Ben Roethlisburger's stats and tell me if a hall of fame QB is necessary to win the superbowl :P.

Bottom line is good players are needed to win the big game... good players at RB..good players at QB.. good players on the oline, the dline, lb, cb, SS, TE, WR.. you just need good players. We dont have enough good players right now... no matter what we will be improving that aspect of our team by next season.

Good coaching is also necessary..hopefully we got that.



ANyway.. this thread started out as a look at Reggie Bush's stats in a championship game... and had nothing to do with VY.

MorKnolle
02-09-2006, 10:13 PM
Another point to add to the mix, Bush was (as someone mentioned here) a situational RB his first two seasons, but this year he became the featured RB, was a preseason top candidate for Heisman, and he ended up winning the Heisman, so to me that seems like he must have done a lot of work in there too to advance up the ladder like that.

LenDale White:
2003: 141 carries, 754 yards, 5.3 ypc, 13 TDs
2004: 203 carries, 1103 yards, 5.4 ypc, 15 TDs
2005: 197 carries, 1302 yards, 6.6 ypc, 24 TDs

Reggie Bush:
2003: 90 carries, 521 yards, 5.8 ypc, 3 TDs
2004: 143 carries, 908 yards, 6.4 ypc, 6 TDs
2005: 200 carries, 1740 yards, 8.7 ypc, 16 TDs

It looks to me like LenDale White's production stayed pretty constant throughout his career after coming in as a freshman and was expected to be the future RB for the team. Meanwhile, Bush dramatically increased his production each year. Bush and White came in together, White was the main RB for the first two years of their career, and Bush overtook him this year, that says to me that he did a lot of work during that time to increase his skills and get the starting nod over White. That's my :twocents: on this issue.

thunderkyss
02-09-2006, 10:13 PM
I don't care if RB ran for 2800 yards last season, recieved for 1000yards, and threw 4 touchdown passes.... it doesn't matter to me. Why??

because I know DD will run for 1000 yards in the NFl. I know J Wells will provide ample reliefe to rest DD, or sub for DD in the event the unthinkable happens again. I also expect to see more Morency..... maybe he can become a bigger part of the offense. So..... I've already got a.. Running game, that does what a running game is supposed to do.

Not only that, but I've got Gafney, Bradford, Armstrong, & Mathis. If I need another playmaker, it'll be easier for me to teach these guys how to catch the ball, than it would be to draft a 4th running back. Cheaper too. It'll also be easier to teach these guys how to catch, than it would be to teach Carr to be a leader.

Oh yeah, I think we've got a return man or two on Special Teams. I really don't want to use a 1st overall for a special teams guy.

YoungnotBush
02-09-2006, 10:18 PM
Both the Steelers and the Seahawks had great D's that why they got where they got. Big Ben made the the big play when needed. Willie Parker had a great run that was a back breaker, but when was Willie Parker drafted? When was Ben drafted?

Undrafted and top ten for Big Ben.

pskinny
02-09-2006, 10:21 PM
Not only that, but I've got Gafney, Bradford, Armstrong, & Mathis. If I need another playmaker, it'll be easier for me to teach these guys how to catch the ball, than it would be to draft a 4th running back. Cheaper too. It'll also be easier to teach these guys how to catch, than it would be to teach Carr to be a leader.

I agree, with that superstar list, if they can just learn to catch, the Texans will be SCARY.

:sarcasm:

Big B Texan Fan
02-09-2006, 10:22 PM
Where did the VY talk come from.

Get back on track.

Why do we want to draft Bush #1 ovrall when he can barely crack the line-up when it's a big game? Every game in the NFL is a big game. Is it to be believed that he'll have a freaky ypc but only 6-8 carries along with 2-3 catches for less than 40 yd and no td's. He won't be returning punts or kicks either so you can toss that out as well.

I find it funny at how guys that are of NFL talent make a name for themselves with their PR/KR abilities. They are usually going against 3rd and 4th stringers. Bush (heisman), Howard (heisman), Woodson (heisman). .

Anyways, you VY haters that get tired of us turning every thread into a bash carr/pimp VY fest are guilty of it in this thread. VY was not in the initial arguement.

**This is a VY free zone**

Just explain why a guy who is a scat back at best (my opinion based on what he has CONSISTANTLY done vs the tougher competition) in the NFL is worthy of our #1 overall pick.

YoungnotBush
02-09-2006, 10:23 PM
I agree, with that super star list, if they can just learn to catch, the Texans will be SCARY.

:sarcasm:


That is not including Andre, which he shouldn't have too.

YoungnotBush
02-09-2006, 10:50 PM
Look, if the Texans really want to build they will trade down and try and add defense and offensive line. If this team can really be considered strong at QB, than it can most definitely be considered strong at RB, even though in my opinion stronger at RB. That means that neither would be the best pick for building the team, especially when trade value for a pick couldn't be higher, nobody wanted it last year.

AustinJB
02-09-2006, 11:11 PM
Bush is the man whether you like it or not.

Wait, this is a good thing. We are getting the most exciting RB to come out of college, since Ricky "Sticky Icky" Willaims. Now show a little enthusiasm. He's our new Texan. Welcome him.

What?:confused:

Now I'mconfused. Is it April 29th already? Did I just miss us picking Bush w/ the #1 pick?:rolleyes:

Bush is not the man! He is not our new Texan! VY isn't either at this point. Nobody knows yet....whenever we pick one of them....then I'll welcome them.

tulexan
02-09-2006, 11:33 PM
I remember Bob Stoops saying last year that they were going to make sure that Reggie Bush did not beat them. They had a few defenders follow him wherever he went and USC exploited the attention on Bush and lit Oklahoma up with the other players.

If you watched that game, you would have seen that there were 2 or 3 runs where Bush was really close to breaking it for a touchdown but was tripped up in the secondary.

Frills
02-10-2006, 04:16 AM
VY knows the spread offense...the spread isn't used in the NFL.

Why want a QB who can only run an offense used at the collegiate level?

LikeABoss
02-10-2006, 05:50 AM
VY knows the spread offense...the spread isn't used in the NFL.

Why want a QB who can only run an offense used at the collegiate level?

Good point

People are so much of indenial that they tend to overlook the fact that the spread option is one of the primary reasons Vince put up those stats. Mack Brown tried to teach this kid how to play in a pro offense for two seasons, and Vince couldn't and wouldn't adapt to it.

When you have your head coach telling the media in the national championship game that his best player couldn't respond to his coaching, and that he just gave up on how to coach his best player, and simplified the offense for him just to win. If you are a NFL scout, you would be very concerned about whether Vince Young really responds well to coaching and can he acutally play in a pro offense.

I surely wouldn't expect the light to come on so quickly for Vince in the pros when the offenses are way more complicated than at the colliegiate level. Just look at Alex Smith for an example. He played in a similar offense at Utah, put up great stats, had a good combine and pro day, got drafted #1 by the 49ers, and played horribly when Mike Nolan finally decided to play him later in the season.

thunderkyss
02-10-2006, 07:02 AM
This is rich......... silly too.

So they used a dumbed down offense(kinda like the Texans, because Capers didn't feel Carr would know what to do with more than one Audible). And every coach in the NCAA knew after teh RoseBowl 2004, if you want to beat Texas, you've got to stop Vince Young.... They were ranked #2 all year long, you tellin me Carroll didn't think about this kid till a month before the RoseBowl?? Even if he didn't, how hard can it be to defend the spread offense if it is sooooooo simple?? why don't more college's use it if it's success in a bottle?? why don't NFL teams use it??

Who picked Texas to win the Rose Bowl?? Any of the experts?? Anyone in Vegas?? I don't think so.... Texas wasn't supposed to win that game. Going against the worse defense in the league(what were they 129th??) On paper, they were beat... even with UT's defense...... they weren't supposed to hang with the superstars of USC...... but guess what???

Errant Hothy
02-10-2006, 07:31 AM
I find it funny at how guys that are of NFL talent make a name for themselves with their PR/KR abilities. They are usually going against 3rd and 4th stringers. Bush (heisman), Howard (heisman), Woodson (heisman). . .

The differnce between Bush and the other two is that Bush averagednearly 9 yard a carry, mre then another RB in the last decase; and the other two were primarily DBs. Add to that with his 1700 rushing yards, on 200 carries; a number that is just hella scary when you think about whish breaks down to 8.5 ypc. Add that to the fact that he, and every other USC starter, rarely played for the full game; and then add his recieving yards. And what do you get? Easily the biggest "home run" threat to leave college in most of our lifetimes(probally us sub 30 somethings).

As an aside, whyen did a RB you CANNOT play a full season in thrNFL become a great RB? And when did a 1000 rushing yards become the platuea for a great NFL RB?

pskinny
02-10-2006, 08:37 AM
What?:confused:

Now I'mconfused. Is it April 29th already? Did I just miss us picking Bush w/ the #1 pick?:rolleyes:

Bush is not the man! He is not our new Texan! VY isn't either at this point. Nobody knows yet....whenever we pick one of them....then I'll welcome them.

Picking up Carr's option all but guarantees we are drafting Bush. Accept it.

Sorry AustinJB, but admitting you're in denial is the first step in becoming a recovering Vince-aholic.

Vinny
02-10-2006, 08:43 AM
That was bashing?No, but if the topic is about breaking down Bush's big games.....it would be nice to stay on topic. If you want to break down Young's big games we have an unlimited amount of new thread possibilities.

thunderkyss
02-10-2006, 08:48 AM
Picking up Carr's option all but guarantees we are drafting Bush. Accept it.

Sorry AustinJB, but admitting you're in denial is the first step in becoming a recovering Vince-aholic.

No, it gaurantees that Carr will be out there pumping up his stats for a couple of years, whil Kubes trains Vince.

If we sign Wells, forget about Bush.

pskinny
02-10-2006, 09:30 AM
No, it gaurantees that Carr will be out there pumping up his stats for a couple of years, whil Kubes trains Vick.

If we sign Wells, forget about Bush.

Vick? So we're drafting Marcus Vick? And resigning Jonathan Wells is going to dictate whether we draft Bush or not?

You're living in a fantasy land.....

jerek
02-10-2006, 09:42 AM
12.5 yards a carry is not above average. it's phenomenal. They scored 38 points in the first half. Of those 38 points, 21 were from passes completed from over 30 yards. If we should be comparing anything, it's that Leinart threw for 5 touchdowns and 330 yards in only 3 quarters of work. He didn't throw a pass in the 4th.

Why wouldn't they be?

Vince's numbers vs OU in '04

Passing: 8-23 - 86 yards , 0 TDs, 0 Ints, 3 sacks, 46.6 passer rating
Rushing: 16 att 54 yards, 0 TDs
Final Score: OU 12, Team Vince zero

A thread bashing Bush's performance against OU in the '05 BCS championship game is really beyond belief. The more he's bashed, the better he looks.


Ssh, you might screw up the whole "Vince Young is the unanimous best QB" theory.

Maddict5
02-10-2006, 09:47 AM
That was bashing?

it didnt have the words: Young,god in it so obviously it was:rolleyes:

jerek
02-10-2006, 09:49 AM
If people can start bringing up Vince Young first start, then I can bring up a game that was played alot later in the year, right?


DD is at least a very good RB and could be a great RB if he plays a full season. He does need some more rest, but not half his carries.

When is the last time a RB won the Super Bowl? Seattle had the best RB by far, they couldn't win the big game.

Oh, I don't know ... Jamal Lewis, Marshall Faulk, Emmitt Smith, Corey Dillon? Why not mention defenses while you are isolating pieces to the puzzle?

How about forgettables like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer?

El Tejano
02-10-2006, 10:11 AM
Okay here is my deal. First of all you should remember that Bush has been on a fully loaded team of talent. A while back he also had to deal with Mike Williams as a WR during that year against OU and he still did things when he got the ball.

He has been productive everytime he got the ball he just didn't get it alot. However it is what he did with the ball that made everything else so available.

But my gripe is this. If everyone is not wanting to get Bush because he didn't and probably wont get the ball the entire game, then doesn't that make more sense to draft Young? I mean as the QB he will touch the ball every play if not this year, the next.

Frills
02-10-2006, 10:40 AM
The issue that VY supporters ignore is that he was horrible in a pro style offense...Mack dumbed it down to a spread offense and he flourished.


FYI: THE SPREAD IS NOT RUN BY ANY NFL TEAMS

BeReal
02-10-2006, 10:53 AM
I can't believe some of the rationale people use against RB. You guys are definitely reaching and the sad part is you can't even see it.

No you don't need a great rb or qb to win the superbowl, but it helps. Pointing to this years Superbowl DOESN'T help your agument.

I don't mean to be so blunt, but when people use faulty logic to prove a point or make their case, it's almost impossible to have an intelligent debate. RB and VY had a phenomenal college careers, plain and simple. The Texans need an immediate impact on offense, and RB gives us that. I would be willing to trade down, but in a case like this you have to get something back that is worth MORE than the #1 pick. I just don't see that happening.

AustinJB
02-10-2006, 02:46 PM
The issue that VY supporters ignore is that he was horrible in a pro style offense...Mack dumbed it down to a spread offense and he flourished.

FYI: THE SPREAD IS NOT RUN BY ANY NFL TEAMS

VY supporters do ignore this. Do you want to know why? B/c most people w/ decent football IQ understand the reasons behind it. Let me try to explain it to you in simple terms.:rolleyes:

First of all, very few college teams run a true pro-style offense. This never seems to be a major issue for NFL teams. Why? B/c that is what the combine, workouts, and interviews are for....to determine if your potential QB is smart enough to LEARN an NFL offense. Is it easier to project what a QB can do if they have been running a pro-style offense in college? Sure, but reality is...that is usually not the case.

Secondly, I believe most would agree that QB is one of the most difficult positions to learn and master...right? VY played in a pro-style offense for only a few games during his redshirt freshman yr (b/c he split time w/ Mock) and about 5 games into his sophomore yr. It stands to reason that the guy was going through growing pains as a young QB just learning a new system.

And Mack didn't have to "dumb it down" for VY; he simply put in an offense that took advantage of his QB's abilities. When you have someone at the QB position who has his athleticism and speed, you take advantage of that. It would be stupid not to. That would be like forcing Bush to ONLY run between the tackles and not let him get the ball in open space....or ONLY throwing screen passes and tosses to Lendale White instead of utilizing his power and straight-ahead running style. Give me a break!

That doesn't mean that VY can not throw; IMO he proved that this past year (and has a chance to shine at the combine for the naysayers.) The offense that Kubes is installing would be a perfect fit for VY. Hand the ball off, play-action pass, bootleg out w/ the option to either pass or run depending on what the coverage does. This type of offense would also allow VY to utilize his abilities. While he can pass when the situation dictates it, you're not limiting him to ONLY be a pocket passer....you're allowing him to use his athleticism.

Since Shanahan and Kubiak run this type of offense that takes advantage of a QB's mobility, does it mean that they "dumbed it down" for Elway, Plummer, and now Carr or VY....NO!

FYI: GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE YOU BLINDLY REPEAT WHAT OTHER VY BASHERS ARE SAYING....:ok:

YoungnotBush
02-10-2006, 10:35 PM
Oh, I don't know ... Jamal Lewis, Marshall Faulk, Emmitt Smith, Corey Dillon? Why not mention defenses while you are isolating pieces to the puzzle?

How about forgettables like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer?


This guy thinks that Corey Dillon won the Super Bowl. Enough said.

Marshall didn't win it either, Kurt Warner was going crazy that year and all through the playoffs.

Jamal lewis didn't win it, that D did.

Emmitt Smith is the best one out of that group, course he had Troy Aikman to go along with Micheal Irvin and the best offensive line in the history of football.

Unless you see the Texans trading for the whole Kansas City offensive line anytime soon, then Reggie or DD isn't going to win any Super Bowls. Or the Texans for that matter.

No matter who they draft, Vince or Bush or trade down, they have to seriously address the line this offseason.

Vince just has the ability to make a good offensive line look great.

tulexan
02-10-2006, 11:42 PM
Marshall Faulk and Corey Dillon both had very big parts in their respective teams Super Bowl runs. I would bet that neither team would have made it to the Super Bowl without both players.

YoungnotBush
02-10-2006, 11:55 PM
Corey Dillon wasn't even there for the first Super Bowl or the Second. He came aboard for the 3rd in four years. Tom Brady and that D is why they had a dynasty, which could still be continuing if they win this year.

tulexan
02-10-2006, 11:59 PM
I realize that he wasn't around for the first two Super Bowls, but the fact still remains that he was a major factor on that team last year and they won several games because of his consistent running game.

YoungnotBush
02-11-2006, 12:26 AM
Since 1985, there has been 11 times a QB has won the Super Bowl MVP, while only 3 RB's.

Bye the way there was 2 MVP WR's.

The last RB was the Broncos horse TD, who had John Elway, also a Super Bowl MVP.



One point though no one seems to be talking about is that a QB's career is much longer. You can have a QB for 10 - 15 yrs easy. RB's don't usually last near as long and don't have as many productive seasons.

MorKnolle
02-11-2006, 12:28 AM
This guy thinks that Corey Dillon won the Super Bowl. Enough said.

Marshall didn't win it either, Kurt Warner was going crazy that year and all through the playoffs.

Jamal lewis didn't win it, that D did.

Emmitt Smith is the best one out of that group, course he had Troy Aikman to go along with Micheal Irvin and the best offensive line in the history of football.

Unless you see the Texans trading for the whole Kansas City offensive line anytime soon, then Reggie or DD isn't going to win any Super Bowls. Or the Texans for that matter.

No matter who they draft, Vince or Bush or trade down, they have to seriously address the line this offseason.

Vince just has the ability to make a good offensive line look great.

Vince would have the exact same problems behind the OLine that we've had as Carr did.

YoungnotBush
02-11-2006, 12:31 AM
I realize that he wasn't around for the first two Super Bowls, but the fact still remains that he was a major factor on that team last year and they won several games because of his consistent running game.

So you can live with winning several games.


VY can win every game, b/c he controls the ball, the tempo, the offense and defines the team.

VY is a Texas legend and the best when it comes to leadership. Show me some examples of David Carr's leadership.

YoungnotBush
02-11-2006, 12:45 AM
Vince would have the exact same problems behind the OLine that we've had as Carr did.

Can you imagine VY rolling out on a play-action bootleg?

Have you ever seen the Atlanta Falcons and the Offense that they run. They always have one of the top rushing offenses and control the clock and leave it up to Vick to win the game in the end.

Vince is a better QB than Vick and a much better decision maker. He also is a pass first QB, which most people just don't realize about him. If you notice he gets most of his rushing yards at the end of games. Why? Let me tell you. He gets more yards in the last drives, because that is when the Defense is really tightening up their coverages, especially with all the blitzing at the end of games. He just kills the blitz. And he'll kill with the pass also, example OSU in the horshoe.

When was the last time David Carr just killed the blitz?

tulexan
02-11-2006, 01:13 AM
Who cares if Vince is a Texas legend? Hometown has nothing to do with NFL success. Vince being a Texas legend is about as relevant as Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart being a California legend.

michaelm
02-11-2006, 03:40 AM
Where did the VY talk come from.

Get back on track.

Anyways, you VY haters that get tired of us turning every thread into a bash carr/pimp VY fest are guilty of it in this thread. VY was not in the initial arguement.

**This is a VY free zone**


So you, a noted VY supporter, get to post stats that you claim detract from Bush's attractiveness as a draft pick, but refuse to allow people to use the same criteria to evaluate the candidate that you so unabashedly support?
If that, in itself, doesn't indicate a weakness in your candidate's credintials, I don't know what does...
If your guy is so infallable, who cares what yard stick people use to measure him? Why would you want to exculde your hero from this discussion?
You say that this thread is not about him, but come on... any thread about VY is a thread about RB and any thread about RB is about VY.
If we were in the school yard, I would call you a word that rhymes with wussy, but had a freakin P in it...

michaelm
02-11-2006, 03:47 AM
And Mack didn't have to "dumb it down" for VY; he simply put in an offense that took advantage of his QB's abilities.

There it is... plain as day. "Took advantage of his QB's abilities..."
even his coach knew that he needed to impliment a system that wasn't a pure pass first system. He didn't have a QB who's abilities included running a pro style offense, so he changed his system to take advantage of his QB's abilities...
you said it yourself, don't you see that?
If he is such a great passer, why didn't Mack change his system to take advantage of that?

run-david-run
02-11-2006, 10:24 AM
That OU game was Vince's first start, here's a game Reggie played later that year:

Reggie Bush's stats against Cal 2004
rushes: 17-82 0 TDs 4.8 avg. rec: 1-4 0 TDs 86 total yds & 0 total tds

And one Vince played later:

Vince Young's stats 2004 Rose Bowl against Michigan

Rushing: 21-192 4 TDs 60 long 9.1 avg. Passing: 16 for 18 1 Int 1 TD


and don't forget He beat the unbeatable!!!!

I thought you always upgrade the position of QB, especially with the type of upgrade this would be, considering Domanick Davis is a great RB also. QB's win Super Bowls, plain and simple.
Trent Dilffer or Dan Marino? Who would you take...thats what I thought....

run-david-run
02-11-2006, 10:28 AM
Where did the VY talk come from.

Get back on track.

Why do we want to draft Bush #1 ovrall when he can barely crack the line-up when it's a big game? Every game in the NFL is a big game. Is it to be believed that he'll have a freaky ypc but only 6-8 carries along with 2-3 catches for less than 40 yd and no td's. He won't be returning punts or kicks either so you can toss that out as well.

I find it funny at how guys that are of NFL talent make a name for themselves with their PR/KR abilities. They are usually going against 3rd and 4th stringers. Bush (heisman), Howard (heisman), Woodson (heisman). .

Anyways, you VY haters that get tired of us turning every thread into a bash carr/pimp VY fest are guilty of it in this thread. VY was not in the initial arguement.

**This is a VY free zone**

Just explain why a guy who is a scat back at best (my opinion based on what he has CONSISTANTLY done vs the tougher competition) in the NFL is worthy of our #1 overall pick.
Acctually, every game in college is a bigger game then everygame then the NFL. If you lose one game in the NCCA, you are out of the national chamipionship picture, its a season long playoff...

texplayer2
02-12-2006, 01:06 AM
I was wondering this earlier and decided to investigate.
Bushs' #'s in the National Championship against OU were even more unimpressive than his against UT.

Here's the link:
http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/2005ob.html

It seems as though Lendale was the feature back once again in a big game.
Lendale had 15 carries for 118 yrds and 2 td's. No rec. yrds.

Bush had only 6 carries for 79 yrds. 12.5 avg, why only 6 carries though.
Bush had only 2 rec for 31 yrds.
Bush did all the return work and had only 1 PR for 7 yrd and 2 KR for 36, an 18 yrd avg
Bush had no td's at all in this game.

Sure Bush won the Heisman a season later but his 500 yd + game against Fresno was the deciding factor in that, heck they lost to Nevada a week later.

Maybe since the game was out of hand is the reason he was underused or it was because he is uneffective in big games (garbage yrds). The OU defense stunk it up though but there were 3 defensive guys that were drafted by the NFL in the following draft, Tommy Harris in the 1st - Tedy Lehman in the 2nd - and Derick Strait in the 3rd.
This is about as close to a vision of what he'll be able to do against NFL talent as any, not to mention the UT game.

Jeez, when there is a big game with some NFL defensive talent or superior coaching on the other sideline this guy (bush) seems to be just an above avg player, nothing special. What's up with that. Anyone wanna google up his stats against ND this season.

So I ask the question again, why do we want this guy on the team with the #1 overalll selection? I've got my own smokescreen thoery but I've posted that enough, maybe I'll get another chance later on after a few qoutes come thru.

I would not have wanted the Texans to draft Bush last year. He was good but, in my mind was not that much better than White. From the first game this year to the end he showed massive improvements in his game.White was complaining after the first game of the season, because they were giving the ball to Bush. By the end of this season I see Bush as way above White in potential and performance. Stats don't tell you the story.

AustinJB
02-12-2006, 05:08 PM
There it is... plain as day. "Took advantage of his QB's abilities..."
even his coach knew that he needed to impliment a system that wasn't a pure pass first system. He didn't have a QB who's abilities included running a pro style offense, so he changed his system to take advantage of his QB's abilities...
you said it yourself, don't you see that?
If he is such a great passer, why didn't Mack change his system to take advantage of that?

Just b/c you have a QB that is an excellent runner, doesn't mean that he can't pass too. Your logic is ridiculous....he CAN pass, but if you don't take advantage of his incredible athletic ability, you aren't utilizing him to his fullest potential.

You seemed to take one quote from my post and twisted it to make your point. Read all of it....you didn't comment on the part where I said:

Since Shanahan and Kubiak run this type of offense that takes advantage of a QB's mobility, does it mean that they "dumbed it down" for Elway, Plummer, and now Carr or VY....NO!

Big B Texan Fan
02-12-2006, 07:51 PM
Bushs' stats in college big games are suspect at best. OU lst season, ND this year, and UT in this years National Championship.....?????

Stats don't say it all but they say alot.

LikeABoss
02-12-2006, 09:09 PM
Bushs' stats in college big games are suspect at best. OU lst season, ND this year, and UT in this years National Championship.....?????


Reggie Bush

15 carries 160 yards 10.7 ypc 3 TD's longest run 45 yards

LenDale White

10 carries 26 yards 2.6 ypc 1 TD longest run 8 yards

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=252880087

I don't know where you get your information from, but you are clearly misinformed.

YoungnotBush
02-12-2006, 09:49 PM
Who cares if Vince is a Texas legend? Hometown has nothing to do with NFL success. Vince being a Texas legend is about as relevant as Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart being a California legend.

Except the team is in Texas. Who cares if we make Californians mad. What if Reggie gets booed his first game. What if he turns out to just be a 3rd down back and a special teams guy. He may be really good at those things, but is that really worth the amount of money. Especially when RB has been the only thing we have drafted good and in much later rounds.

YoungnotBush
02-12-2006, 09:55 PM
Trent Dilffer or Dan Marino? Who would you take...thats what I thought....

Dan Marino, if I was drafting. Trent Dilfer if I had a solid offensive line and a great Defense and solid running game and I was picking up a veteran off the free agency market.

YoungnotBush
02-12-2006, 09:58 PM
Bottom line is does everyone think that David Carr can win a game down the stretch every weekend and be able to string together 4 wins in the playoffs. Yes or No?

Big B Texan Fan
02-12-2006, 11:02 PM
Reggie Bush

15 carries 160 yards 10.7 ypc 3 TD's longest run 45 yards

LenDale White

10 carries 26 yards 2.6 ypc 1 TD longest run 8 yards

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=252880087

I don't know where you get your information from, but you are clearly misinformed.
Right you are but I have mentioned in these mb's that (in the ND game) when it was 4th and 9 and he wasn't the option and when they had the ball down on the goal line he wasn't even the option on 3rd or 4th down. They lose that game and the season is shot. Why? Just a mere oversight like Walter Payton in the Super Bowl or is it consistant with the way he's able to be used. I tend to think the latter, 4th and 1 in the UT game ring a bell, and I don't want to hear any crap about how Pete made a bad call, Lendale earned his spot in that moment of the game and Bush earned his spot on the sidelines in that momentof the game.

LikeABoss
02-12-2006, 11:21 PM
Right you are but I have mentioned in these mb's that (in the ND game) when it was 4th and 9 and he wasn't the option and when they had the ball down on the goal line he wasn't even the option on 3rd or 4th down. They lose that game and the season is shot. Why? Just a mere oversight like Walter Payton in the Super Bowl or is it consistant with the way he's able to be used. I tend to think the latter, 4th and 1 in the UT game ring a bell, and I don't want to hear any crap about how Pete made a bad call, Lendale earned his spot in that moment of the game and Bush earned his spot on the sidelines in that momentof the game.

You claimed something was a fact and I proved you wrong. You can live in your little delusional world about Reggie Bush all you want, but i'm definately not about to sit up here and waste my time arguing against someone's biased, jaded opinion.

Big B Texan Fan
02-13-2006, 07:58 AM
You claimed something was a fact and I proved you wrong. You can live in your little delusional world about Reggie Bush all you want, but i'm definately not about to sit up here and waste my time arguing against someone's biased, jaded opinion.
You did prove me wrong about something I claimed as fact (2 out of 3 ain't bad though, you should be proud though, wanna clarify the OU and UT national champioship games, kinda like Barry Bonds and his absense in playoff games). And as far as my "Delusional "World", I'm not the one with an RB avatar.

Bottom line is, you know and I know, Bush isn't gonna be an impact back/hybrid back in the NFL when it comes to scoring in the redzone. He'll get a million yrds all betwen the 20's but when it really matters (in the red zone or on 4th and short) he won't be an option, doesn't sit well on the stomachs of most of us Texans fans. Imagine we don't get in the endzone and Reggie is on te bench or only used as a decoy, all the fans are gonna boo horribly, or even worse, we give him the ball and he can't get in.....all that money.....the skipping of Vince or Leinert for that matter.

thunderkyss
02-13-2006, 09:42 AM
Bottom line is, you know and I know, Bush isn't gonna be an impact back/hybrid back in the NFL when it comes to scoring in the redzone.


The thing about Reggie, from what I've seen, and according to all the hype I've heard, You can't just stick him on a team, and expect him to be an instant impact.

Everybody that wants him on our team, wants to run a 2 back Pro style offense.. even though we've never ran split backs, and to the best of my knowledge, neither has Denver. They want to split him out in the slot...... I can't remember the last time the Texans, or Denver done that. They want to make RB our #2 reciever.... I don't know when that has ever been successful...

Reggie needs to go to ST Louis... or Detroit, or Kansas City.. I can see Dick Vermiels eyes watering over Bush.... but he's gone. Will Herm do any of that with his Running Backs?? has he ever?? then he's probably got the best problem any NFL coach has right now, concerning Running Backs........ Holmes?? or Johnson??

I just don't think he fits what we want to be doing on offense.

MorKnolle
02-13-2006, 10:20 AM
The thing about Reggie, from what I've seen, and according to all the hype I've heard, You can't just stick him on a team, and expect him to be an instant impact.

Everybody that wants him on our team, wants to run a 2 back Pro style offense.. even though we've never ran split backs, and to the best of my knowledge, neither has Denver. They want to split him out in the slot...... I can't remember the last time the Texans, or Denver done that. They want to make RB our #2 reciever.... I don't know when that has ever been successful...

Reggie needs to go to ST Louis... or Detroit, or Kansas City.. I can see Dick Vermiels eyes watering over Bush.... but he's gone. Will Herm do any of that with his Running Backs?? has he ever?? then he's probably got the best problem any NFL coach has right now, concerning Running Backs........ Holmes?? or Johnson??

I just don't think he fits what we want to be doing on offense.

What precisely are we wanting to do on offense? I, among most other people on this board, have been dying to know what our offense will look like and what we plan to do with it, so enlighten us on what the offense will be like since Bush doesn't fit it.

tulexan
02-13-2006, 10:25 AM
The thing about Reggie, from what I've seen, and according to all the hype I've heard, You can't just stick him on a team, and expect him to be an instant impact.

Everybody that wants him on our team, wants to run a 2 back Pro style offense.. even though we've never ran split backs, and to the best of my knowledge, neither has Denver. They want to split him out in the slot...... I can't remember the last time the Texans, or Denver done that. They want to make RB our #2 reciever.... I don't know when that has ever been successful...

Reggie needs to go to ST Louis... or Detroit, or Kansas City.. I can see Dick Vermiels eyes watering over Bush.... but he's gone. Will Herm do any of that with his Running Backs?? has he ever?? then he's probably got the best problem any NFL coach has right now, concerning Running Backs........ Holmes?? or Johnson??

I just don't think he fits what we want to be doing on offense.

Bush isn't a typical RB. If he was, he wouldn't be projected to be the #1 pick. What makes him so valuable and why scouts are salivating over him is the very notion that he can be split out wide and be an effective WR.

thunderkyss
02-13-2006, 10:43 AM
What precisely are we wanting to do on offense? I, among most other people on this board, have been dying to know what our offense will look like and what we plan to do with it, so enlighten us on what the offense will be like since Bush doesn't fit it.

I really imagine we'll be very much like Denver. If more people compared Reggie to Clinton, then I'd be more willing to accept the trade down, or Bush camp. But right now, I can't see it.

I expect detroit to be like the SuperBowl Rams.

jerek
02-13-2006, 10:46 AM
I really imagine we'll be very much like Denver. If more people compared Reggie to Clinton, then I'd be more willing to accept the trade down, or Bush camp. But right now, I can't see it.

I expect detroit to be like the SuperBowl Rams.

Hm, a lot like Tatum Bell/Mike Anderson?

Yeesh, do you watch football?

thunderkyss
02-13-2006, 10:51 AM
Hm, a lot like Tatum Bell/Mike Anderson?

Yeesh, do you watch football?


have you ever seen Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson in split in the backfield?? Ever see either of them split out as wide reciever??

Are you sure you read everything I wrote??

If more people compared Reggie Bush to Clinton Portis, I'd be all for drafting him, if I can't trade the pick. But since he is more of a Marshall Faulk, (who has done little pre/post Warner) I'll pass. I'd rather use the pick on my future quarterback.

Hervoyel
02-13-2006, 10:52 AM
perfect example of how a certain group of people can do nothing but bash VY

Just as the original post in this thread demonstrates that a certain group of people can do nothing but try and find a reason why Reggie Bush cannot possibly be considered a good use of the first overall selection when Vince "The sun shines out of my backside" Young is available.

We're all just going to have to face the fact that 90% of all posts between now and the draft come with either a Bush or a Young agenda. It's entirely fair game to answer one with the other.

Johnny Utah
02-13-2006, 10:54 AM
Bottom line is, you know and I know, Bush isn't gonna be an impact back/hybrid back in the NFL when it comes to scoring in the redzone. He'll get a million yrds all betwen the 20's but when it really matters (in the red zone or on 4th and short) he won't be an option, doesn't sit well on the stomachs of most of us Texans fans. Imagine we don't get in the endzone and Reggie is on te bench or only used as a decoy, all the fans are gonna boo horribly, or even worse, we give him the ball and he can't get in.....all that money.....the skipping of Vince or Leinert for that matter.

I remember back when Detroit fans used to mercilessly boo Barry Sanders because of his inability to convert 3rd and shorts, and for his red zone inaffectiveness. Who cares about the 60+ TD runs when he constantly got stopped for negative yardage.

Hervoyel
02-13-2006, 10:58 AM
The thread author (me) never brought up VY.

Based on the subject matter and your signature I think you didn't need to bring up VY to make your point.

"Kubiak is no mechanic!
Trade in the Carr and go with a Young-er model!"

MorKnolle
02-13-2006, 11:38 AM
I really imagine we'll be very much like Denver. If more people compared Reggie to Clinton, then I'd be more willing to accept the trade down, or Bush camp. But right now, I can't see it.

I expect detroit to be like the SuperBowl Rams.

My main point of that was none of us know for sure what Kubiak is going to want to do with the offense, so if he feels the best thing for our offense and team is Reggie Bush then so be it. If he thinks trading down and addressing OL, defense, and TE and not QB or RB is the best thing, so be it. If he thinks drafting Vince is the best thing, so be it, but I really don't see him coming to that conclusion at all.

MorKnolle
02-13-2006, 11:39 AM
Just as the original post in this thread demonstrates that a certain group of people can do nothing but try and find a reason why Reggie Bush cannot possibly be considered a good use of the first overall selection when Vince "The sun shines out of my backside" Young is available.

We're all just going to have to face the fact that 90% of all posts between now and the draft come with either a Bush or a Young agenda. It's entirely fair game to answer one with the other.

I love that nickname for him, I might add it to my sig if you have no objection to me doing so.

tulexan
02-13-2006, 11:49 AM
have you ever seen Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson in split in the backfield?? Ever see either of them split out as wide reciever??

Are you sure you read everything I wrote??

If more people compared Reggie Bush to Clinton Portis, I'd be all for drafting him, if I can't trade the pick. But since he is more of a Marshall Faulk, (who has done little pre/post Warner) I'll pass. I'd rather use the pick on my future quarterback.


Marshall Faulk hasn't done anything since Warner left because he is at the end of his career and is getting old. And he did win offensive player of the year on the Colts (No Warner), went to the pro bowl, and won pro bowl MVP. He has been plagued with injuries in the recent history and the team has moved more to Steven Jackson than Marshall Faulk. Just like Priest has had a lot of injuries recently and the team has moved to Larry Johnson.

Big B Texan Fan
02-13-2006, 12:00 PM
Based on the subject matter and your signature I think you didn't need to bring up VY to make your point.

"Kubiak is no mechanic!
Trade in the Carr and go with a Young-er model!"
Oh yea, oops. The secret is out, I'm a VY lover, a Carr hater, a burnt orange Kool-Aide drinker, a burnt orange glasses wearer, a Carr salesman, etc....

Actually all the stuff about burnt orange is false, I cheer for the horns but I also cheer for all the other teams in Texas too, even Baylor and U of H.