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swtbound07
02-08-2006, 03:27 PM
i was looking at some old games i have on tape (football season, please start again) and one player kept catching my eyes....so my sleeper is

OG Cody Douglas, Sr. Tennessee..anybody else got any pet projects?

rmartin65
02-08-2006, 03:31 PM
I like Digger Anderson. He's my main project.

dcarey20
02-08-2006, 03:43 PM
gerrick mcphearson, CB maryland

looks like a 5th rounder right now, he was a good but not great player at maryland. what is amazing about this guy is that he runs a 4.21 40 yard dash.
i cant believe he is so under the radar when he is quite possibly the fastest player in the draft. he is a pretty raw player, but he has a bunch of potential.

another big sleeper is

anthony mix, WR/TE, auburn

6'5" 248 lbs. he is an amazing athlete. runs about a 4.55 40 yard dash. great late 7th rounder. Could go undrafted, but with his athletic ability, someone will take a shot on him.

remember these 2 guys

AustinJB
02-08-2006, 03:57 PM
WR Jeremy Bloom

Sub-4.3 speed, Freshman All-American in 2002 for Colorado. Excelled as a young receiver and punt returner. Jerome Mathis-type speed, but w/ better football quickness.

IMO, the only reason why he is not a top receiver in this draft is b/c he has been out of football for two years. NCAA denied him eligibility b/c he is also an Olympic skier and is a favorite to win the gold. Great heart and work ethic; is already a professional athlete so he has dedication, etc.

He'll run at the combine so he may gain interest between now and the draft....but if he's there in the 7th, I'd love to take him and give him a chance to improve and eventually compete for our #2 receiver; could immediately take over for Pburnt as our punt returner IMO.

Hardcore Texan
02-08-2006, 04:03 PM
WR Jeremy Bloom

Sub-4.3 speed, Freshman All-American in 2002 for Colorado. Excelled as a young receiver and punt returner. Jerome Mathis-type speed, but w/ better football quickness.

IMO, the only reason why he is not a top receiver in this draft is b/c he has been out of football for two years. NCAA denied him eligibility b/c he is also an Olympic skier and is a favorite to win the gold. Great heart and work ethic; is already a professional athlete so he has dedication, etc.

He'll run at the combine so he may gain interest between now and the draft....but if he's there in the 7th, I'd love to take him and give him a chance to improve and eventually compete for our #2 receiver; could immediately take over for Pburnt as our punt returner IMO.

Yeah, I have heard of this guy, I think he will get noticed more, they already did a segment on ESPN about him. I think he would be a great late pick too. Like you said, has alot of heart.

BlueThunder
02-08-2006, 04:04 PM
FS Jamal Fudge Clemsen underclassman Enters the draft raw with great instinks and might be one of the most gifted FSs in the draft A wiry Clayton Homes type loves to mix it up in the run and pass but still needs work reading plays..If he was to stay in school next year, he has the talent to be one of the top Safetys in the draft.

LT Willie Hall Middle Tennessee State Flying under most radars but not mine.Going against the like of Merriman,Ware,Pollok and many other hes faced in the tough east he only gave up 0 sacks,,,Thats right!!Ratios 6.6 318 5.16/40 with good technic,long arms and fast enough feet to play at the next level...

infantrycak
02-08-2006, 04:05 PM
Wow, 4 responses and already 2 guys with sub-4.3 speed--seems like they are growing on trees. Nevermind that there are only a few guys ever who have actually clocked that at the NFL combine and none has come close to a 4.21. Pre-draft hype is so amusing.

rmartin65
02-08-2006, 04:10 PM
Yea, 4.3 is really hard to do. Bloom might have it, I've never heard of the other guy.

Hardcore Texan
02-08-2006, 04:12 PM
Yeah I should have put in my first post about Jeremy Bloom that I don't think he is anywhere as fast as sub 4.3 speed in the forty, I think I heard he is around 4.5 maybe 4.4

TexansCanes
02-08-2006, 04:23 PM
yeah i know they say sub 4.3 but don't expect that at the combine. he is very fast and expect no more than 4.45 from him though and that still might be a little high. the guy is fast, if you saw the piece on him you could see it. of course it all depends on how much training he was been doing for football.

AustinJB
02-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Yeah I should have put in my first post about Jeremy Bloom that I don't think he is anywhere as fast as sub 4.3 speed in the forty, I think I heard he is around 4.5 maybe 4.4

Whether on a football field or a ski run, Bloom had no trouble standing out once he began competing. Speed was his trademark. He has run the 40-yard dash in 4.25 seconds, and he displayed a blazing brand of ski speed in coming from behind to win the U.S. Olympic trials in December.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/torino/freestyle/2006-01-31-jeremy-bloom-portrait_x.htm

After the Olympics Bloom, who was a standout wide receiver and punt returner at the University of Colorado, plans to work out for NFL scouts. He hopes that his blazing speed (4.3 seconds in the 40-yard dash), strength and skills will get him drafted come April. ?It's about a dream of mine,? says Bloom. ?I'm all about challenges.?

http://www.olympic-usa.org/11485_43369.htm

There are several other articles that claim that Bloom is this fast....I guess we'll see. He'll run at the combine:ok:

MorKnolle
02-08-2006, 04:55 PM
gerrick mcphearson, CB maryland

looks like a 5th rounder right now, he was a good but not great player at maryland. what is amazing about this guy is that he runs a 4.21 40 yard dash.
i cant believe he is so under the radar when he is quite possibly the fastest player in the draft. he is a pretty raw player, but he has a bunch of potential.

another big sleeper is

anthony mix, WR/TE, auburn

6'5" 248 lbs. he is an amazing athlete. runs about a 4.55 40 yard dash. great late 7th rounder. Could go undrafted, but with his athletic ability, someone will take a shot on him.

remember these 2 guys

I doubt Mix lasts to the 7th, he could possibly play WR but has the size to be a smaller TE too, and good athleticism, so I think someone will definitely look at him before the 7th, probably by the end of the 4th IMO.

I also seriously doubt McPhearson actually runs a 4.21, that's getting down to challenging Darrell Green as the fastest NFL player ever. I've heard he claims that he was timed at that, but being timed once in your career under uncertain conditions and by your college coach doesn't hold a lot of weight, we'll see what he does at the combine and see if he can prove it there and make a name for himself.

Cody Douglas looks pretty nice too, could be a good late round addition for that interior OLineman that I'm hoping we get to back Wiegert up for a year and then take over his spot in 2007.

I have heard of Bloom too, and he seems like an interesting prospect later in the round, I'm not sure I want to add him to the Texans since he seems mainly suited to be a return man and we already have Mathis for that.

I'm not sure how much of a sleeper he is, but T.J. Williams the TE from N.C. State has impressed me lately. He is supposed to be 6'3" 260 lbs., has allegedly run a 40 in 4.48 before, and he can bench press over 500 lbs. I'm not sure how great his hands will be in the NFL, but they look pretty good and he looks to have the strength to be a good blocker and nice size and athleticisim to go with it. Those seem like a nice combo of skills if they are true measurements.
Dnaieal Manning from Abilen Christian (TX) is another sleeper that hasn't gotten much recognition, but is fairly high on a lot of the "professional" draft boards done by people that have the time to study all these extra guys. He is from a D-2 school, but he is a CB that is supposed to be 5'11", 205 lbs. that can run a 4.32 40 and bench over 400 lbs. and around 20 reps in the bench press test, not bad strength for a CB and he has nice speed and size, assuming all those measurements are genuinely accruate.

Apoch
02-08-2006, 07:47 PM
WR Jeremy Bloom

Sub-4.3 speed, Freshman All-American in 2002 for Colorado. Excelled as a young receiver and punt returner. Jerome Mathis-type speed, but w/ better football quickness.

IMO, the only reason why he is not a top receiver in this draft is b/c he has been out of football for two years. NCAA denied him eligibility b/c he is also an Olympic skier and is a favorite to win the gold. Great heart and work ethic; is already a professional athlete so he has dedication, etc.

He'll run at the combine so he may gain interest between now and the draft....but if he's there in the 7th, I'd love to take him and give him a chance to improve and eventually compete for our #2 receiver; could immediately take over for Pburnt as our punt returner IMO.

Yeah Jeremy Bloom is a very good sleeper prospect. A very fast, all-round great athlete who has a lot of upside. He has also been working with Ed McCaffrey to get ready for the pump to the pros. I don't know how many of you guys have followed Ed McCaffrey, but he is one of the hardest working, sell-your-body-for-the-game type people you will ever see. He would wear junior high shoulder pads and cut slits in the toes of his 1 size too small shoes in order to make himself faster and lighter. He and Rod Smith were only the second pair of receivers ever to both have 100 catches in a season.

Also, a guy I have been very openly high on for a while is Brando Twito out of Pittsburg State. He is a very big TE right now; 6'5" 278lb. His athleticism is tremendous, and even as a pure TE he has a good shot at the NFL. The better option, however, is to convert him to OT much like Matt Lepsis did. It would take him two years to fully make the switch well, but just like Lepsis it could be well worth it. In the meantime he would be a great goalline contributor as a second tackle who doubles as a pass catching threat. He looks like a 6-7th rounder right now, and I think he would be a great guy to go for with our 7th round pick.

YoungTexanFan
02-08-2006, 08:19 PM
Roderkius Wright - stuff floating around this board about him

Nick Reid - KU jayhawk baby!!

The DE from Cal Poly

BlueThunder
02-08-2006, 08:48 PM
Randell "Frilight" William runs a 4.02/40 but couldn't catch a pass in games.Fridays he set highlight film and inheared the the nickname.I think its possible the number are correct because noone on the Cowboys was faster and at the time we had Galloway and Rocket and they couldn't touch him.I have a lot of respect for Jerome Mathis because he got on the computer clock.With his eye poping numbers I know he's going to be great.

Dr. Toro
02-08-2006, 08:55 PM
RE Bloom:
I know nobody here holds Kiper in the highest esteem, but in his chat today he said he saw Bloom going between the 3rd and 4th rounds. I expected 5th at the earliest, he's probably to risky/pricey for us to draft him before the 6th. Although, if anybody is worth a gamble it's him.

Texian
02-08-2006, 09:44 PM
Here are a couple of my longshot interest:

RD. 6 - Quincy Butler, TCU, CB, 6'1"
http://gofrogs.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/butler_quincy00.html

RD. 7 - Chris Kuper, North Dakota, OG, 6'3", 303
http://www.fightingsioux.com/sports/football/bio.asp?PLAYER_ID=3494

http://www.shrinegame.com/pdf/East-West_Shrine_Bios_West_Squad-1-17-06.pdf

stevo3883
02-08-2006, 10:34 PM
reggie real deal mcneal

at FS

BlueThunder
02-08-2006, 11:08 PM
Vince Young:redtowel:

bdiddy
02-08-2006, 11:28 PM
Greg Eslinger - Center - Minnesota

He will probably be a 4th or 5th rounder and will be our starting center next year. He is small by NFL standards (290 lbs), but fits the zone blocking scheme that is also run by the Golden Gophers. He, Colledge, and Bush would be a hell of a start to improving the offense.

Hardcore Texan
02-09-2006, 12:48 PM
Whether on a football field or a ski run, Bloom had no trouble standing out once he began competing. Speed was his trademark. He has run the 40-yard dash in 4.25 seconds, and he displayed a blazing brand of ski speed in coming from behind to win the U.S. Olympic trials in December.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/torino/freestyle/2006-01-31-jeremy-bloom-portrait_x.htm

After the Olympics Bloom, who was a standout wide receiver and punt returner at the University of Colorado, plans to work out for NFL scouts. He hopes that his blazing speed (4.3 seconds in the 40-yard dash), strength and skills will get him drafted come April. ?It's about a dream of mine,? says Bloom. ?I'm all about challenges.?

http://www.olympic-usa.org/11485_43369.htm

There are several other articles that claim that Bloom is this fast....I guess we'll see. He'll run at the combine:ok:


That is why I said "I Think" because I don't know for sure, I hope you are right though, I like the kid

dcarey20
02-09-2006, 02:42 PM
Wow, 4 responses and already 2 guys with sub-4.3 speed--seems like they are growing on trees. Nevermind that there are only a few guys ever who have actually clocked that at the NFL combine and none has come close to a 4.21. Pre-draft hype is so amusing.

i guess this is just pre-draft hype too:

for the mcphearson 40 yard dash, read this

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/060105nextlevel.html

it says it under 2006 prospects updates

also this:

http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcphearson_gerrick00.html

^^it says at the bottom of the first part how he broke the maryland 40 yard dash record

MorKnolle
02-09-2006, 03:13 PM
i guess this is just pre-draft hype too:

for the mcphearson 40 yard dash, read this

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/060105nextlevel.html

it says it under 2006 prospects updates

also this:

http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcphearson_gerrick00.html

^^it says at the bottom of the first part how he broke the maryland 40 yard dash record

That first article mentions that many of these guys run on track surface, and to translate to NFL speed on grass they add .08 to .12 seconds to their time, any idea if McPhearson ran on grass or a track, and therefore if he really ran a 4.21 or if that should be a 4.29-4.33. Either way that is still really fast, and if he has really run a 4.21 I doubt he'll reach that at the combine, as that is his fastest time he's ever been recorded at and frequently guys don't match that there, but it is interesting to see that it is apparently a well-documented fact that he was/is that fast.

infantrycak
02-09-2006, 04:05 PM
i guess this is just pre-draft hype too:

for the mcphearson 40 yard dash, read this

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/060105nextlevel.html

it says it under 2006 prospects updates

also this:

http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcphearson_gerrick00.html

^^it says at the bottom of the first part how he broke the maryland 40 yard dash record

Did you see anything in my post to suggest the guy wasn't actually fast?--no you did not. But c'mon--you have to filter stuff from schools and on draft sites thru past experience. It is amazing how guys like Roy Williams shrink from 6' 5" to 6' 2" from their freshman year to the combine. Every year there are tons of 4.3 RB's before the combine and zero to 2 after the combine. Every year there are a slew of 4.2 WR's but in 25 odd years of the NFL combine Deion Sanders ran the fastest at 4.25 and Mathis was 2nd fastest ever at 4.26-7. Sometimes there are reasons like Mork said such as track surfaces and sometimes it is just school hype and internet puffery.

dcarey20
02-09-2006, 05:34 PM
ok, i see what you guys are saying, either way,

a corner who runs a 4.29-4.33 is still a steal in the 5th round

Texian
02-09-2006, 05:37 PM
I don't think anybody that runs a 4.3 will be around in the 5th round. If memory serves me correctly those guys were gone by the 3rd round last year.

rmartin65
02-09-2006, 05:38 PM
I don't think anybody that runs a 4.3 will be around in the 5th round. If memory serves me correctly those guys were gone by the 3rd round last year.
Mathis is a 4th rounder.

dcarey20
02-09-2006, 05:48 PM
another big sleeper:

drouzon quillen, WR, UL-Monroe.

6'6" 215 lbs, runs a 4.5 40.

http://ulmathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/quillen_drouzon00.html

DominickDavisFan76
02-09-2006, 06:37 PM
after checking up on that CB, Gerrick Mcphearson, if he really runs a 4.21 with a bench of 345,42- inch vertical jump,and 515 pound squat. Hello Gary Kubiak I think we have found our #3 or even #2 CB.

DominickDavisFan76
02-09-2006, 08:04 PM
or possibly a Safety????

MorKnolle
02-09-2006, 09:49 PM
Did you see anything in my post to suggest the guy wasn't actually fast?--no you did not. But c'mon--you have to filter stuff from schools and on draft sites thru past experience. It is amazing how guys like Roy Williams shrink from 6' 5" to 6' 2" from their freshman year to the combine. Every year there are tons of 4.3 RB's before the combine and zero to 2 after the combine. Every year there are a slew of 4.2 WR's but in 25 odd years of the NFL combine Deion Sanders ran the fastest at 4.25 and Mathis was 2nd fastest ever at 4.26-7. Sometimes there are reasons like Mork said such as track surfaces and sometimes it is just school hype and internet puffery.

Another thing to add too, even if he was timed on regular grass, he could have easily run a 4.21 one time in his life, but that doesn't mean he can regularly do that. I could see Mathis on a really good day being timed at 4.21 one run. Also, these guys are timed by humans, and a human timer can easily be off by probably +- 0.05 seconds, which is why at the combine they have three guys time each run and average them out. 0.05 seconds might not matter all that much on the actual game field, but when you're talking about a race that lasts 4.2 seconds, that 0.05 can make a decent difference.

dcarey20
02-10-2006, 02:43 PM
another pretty good one is

derrick ross, RB, tarleton state

5'11" 240 lbs

runs a 4.6

came from a D2 school, but he reminds me alot of brandon jacobs

he could do what jacobs did, come to a team with a smaller back, be the short yardage/goalline back(eagles, steelers:to replace bettis, seahawks: if alexander is gone)

probably a 7th rounder

wags
02-10-2006, 02:52 PM
A late round safety that I like is Donnie McClesky from Cal. He was great every time I saw him, but I think he has a history of injuries. Also was not invited to the combine I believe. Might go undrafted but he's worth a look IMO.

dcarey20
02-11-2006, 07:04 PM
A late round safety that I like is Donnie McClesky from Cal. He was great every time I saw him, but I think he has a history of injuries. Also was not invited to the combine I believe. Might go undrafted but he's worth a look IMO.

i have heard of him, he looks like a good sleeper

Wolf
02-11-2006, 07:45 PM
http://d2football.com/board/lofiversion/index.php/t10192.html


talks about some Lone star conference players