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michaelm
02-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Just a little info for those of you in the 'trade down and draft D'Brick' camp.
I'm not sure what it indicates, if anything, just thought it might provide something to discuss.

OTs taken in 1st Round since 1990 and drafting team:
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1990
Richmond Webb - MIA

1991
Charles McRae - T.B.
Antone Davis - PHI
Patt Harlow - N.E.
Stan Thomas - CHI

1992

Bob Whitfield - ATL
Ray Roberts - SEA
Leon Searcy - PIT
John Fina - BUF

1993
Willie Roaf - N.O.
Lincoln Kennedy - ATL
Brad Hopkins - HOU
Earnest Dye - Phoenix(ARZ)

1994
Bernard Williams - PHI
Aaron Taylor - GB
Todd Steussie - MIN

1995
Tony Boselli - JAC
Kory Stringer - MIN
Billy Milner - MIA
Blake Brockermeyer - CAR
Trezelle Jenkins - KC

1996
Johnathon Ogden - BAL
Willie Anderson - CIN
John Michels - GB
Jamain Stephens - PHI
Andre Johnson - WASH

1997
Orlando Pace - STL
Walter Jones - SEA
Tarik Glenn - IND
Ross Verba - GB

1998
Kyle Turley - NO
Tra Thomas - PHI
Victor Riley - KC

1999
John Tait - KC
Luke Petitgout - NYG
L.J. Shelton - PHO
Aaron Gibson - DET

2000
Chris Samuels - WASH
Stockar McDougal - DET
Chris McIntosh - SEA

2001
Leonard Davis - PHO
Kenyatta Walker - TB
Jeff Backus - DET

2002
Mike Williams - BUF
Bryant McKinney - MIN
Levi Jones - CIN
Matt Colombo - CHI

2003
Jordon Gross - CAR
George Foster - DEN
Kwame Harris - SF

2004
Robert Gallery - OAK
Shawn Andrews - PHI
Vernon Carey - MIA

2005
Jamaal Brown NO
Alex Barron - STL

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Please let me know if I've made any errors, I did this rather quickly

MorKnolle
02-08-2006, 12:53 PM
Another interesting site to add, I'm not sure how relevant it is to OTs, but here it is anways:
http://www.ourlads.com/DraftAverages.html

This site has the 1st round draft picks from the last six drafts, breaks it down by the number at each position, then their average, maximum, and minimum heights, weights, reported 40 times. Kind of interesting to see how this year's guys stack up against recent 1st rounders.

Peldon
02-08-2006, 02:51 PM
Interesting that only 4 teams have not drafted a tackle in round one during that time. CLE, NYJ, DAL, SD.

I am in the trade down camp but I also wonder how many RB's or even DE's you can make the same case for. Though those positions have less longevity than offensive line positions.

MorKnolle
02-08-2006, 02:53 PM
Interesting that only 4 teams have not drafted a tackle in round one during that time. CLE, NYJ, DAL, SD.

I am in the trade down camp but I also wonder how many RB's or even DE's you can make the same case for.

You forgot us, we haven't drafted a tackle in the 1st round, the Oilers did but not us.

Peldon
02-08-2006, 02:55 PM
You forgot us, we haven't drafted a tackle in the 1st round, the Oilers did but not us.

Quite right, I meant to say besides us.

awtysst
02-08-2006, 02:59 PM
What is also interesting is Denver has picked one. They used the 20th pick on Foster in 2003. He is their current RT.

thunderkyss
02-08-2006, 03:03 PM
Anyone care to shed a light on what this might mean??

MorKnolle
02-08-2006, 03:21 PM
Anyone care to shed a light on what this might mean??

I guess it shows that the majority of teams in the NFL take an OT in the 1st round of the draft once every career cycle (career cycle meaning about the average lifespan of a good NFL player and how long OTs will last until they need to look for a new one).

michaelm
02-08-2006, 03:30 PM
What is also interesting is Denver has picked one. They used the 20th pick on Foster in 2003. He is their current RT.


It's just as interesting to me that Matt Lepsis their starting LT was an undrafted free agent.

michaelm
02-08-2006, 03:33 PM
I guess it shows that the majority of teams in the NFL take an OT in the 1st round of the draft once every career cycle (career cycle meaning about the average lifespan of a good NFL player and how long OTs will last until they need to look for a new one).


I was hoping that someone with a little more knowledge than myself might be able to tell us which of these guys were busts, servicable starters or franchise type picks.
Well, for the most part we all pretty much know who turned out to be the franchise guys pretty much by definition.

MorKnolle
02-08-2006, 03:41 PM
I was hoping that someone with a little more knowledge than myself might be able to tell us which of these guys were busts, servicable starters or franchise type picks.
Well, for the most part we all pretty much know who turned out to be the franchise guys pretty much by definition.

I'm with you, I could point out some of the really good ones and some of the big busts, and most of the guys in the last 4-5 years, but my knowledge of OLinemen doesn't go back that far to properly grade all of these guys. Cadahnic would probably be able to give a better grade on the majority of them.

cadahnic
02-08-2006, 03:47 PM
90-92 I am no real help on but from then on I could give you a fair look I guess.

awtysst
02-08-2006, 03:52 PM
It's just as interesting to me that Matt Lepsis their starting LT was an undrafted free agent.

What I was trying to point out was that if you go and grab a first rounder, you have no idea what you are gonna get. Even someone as high as Robert Gallery(number 2) is a RT. But yes, it is telling that the Bronco LT is a undrafted FA. That might give you an idea of what Kubs might do.

It is very possible we stand and draft Young or trade down for D. We have seen the Denver Oline is typically not drafted in the first round and the denver system is about going forward, not dancing around. However, we also know that Kubes took an underachiever in Plumber, so perhaps he thinks he can do that with Carr. I think at this point Super Mario is a strong candidate for the Texans first pick.

cadahnic
02-08-2006, 04:00 PM
[QUOTE=michaelm]Just a little info for those of you in the 'trade down and draft D'Brick' camp.
I'm not sure what it indicates, if anything, just thought it might provide something to discuss.

OTs taken in 1st Round since 1990 and drafting team:
_____________________________

1990
Richmond Webb - MIA

1991
Charles McRae - T.B.
Antone Davis - PHI
Patt Harlow - N.E.
Stan Thomas - CHI

1992

Bob Whitfield - ATL
Ray Roberts - SEA
Leon Searcy - PIT
John Fina - BUF

1993
Willie Roaf - N.O.- great LT likely a future HOF
Lincoln Kennedy - ATL- ended his career with the Raiders was a very good LT
Brad Hopkins - HOU- played for a number of years and is very serviceable
Earnest Dye - Phoenix(ARZ)- dont know anything about him

1994
Bernard Williams - PHI- serviceable, but nothing special
Aaron Taylor - GB- same as above
Todd Steussie - MIN- above average guy who has played some G also

1995
Tony Boselli - JAC- great player, career cut short by injury
Kory Stringer - MIN- died in practice, but was a good player
Billy Milner - MIA- serviceable at best
Blake Brockermeyer - CAR- played a couple of positions also serviceable
Trezelle Jenkins - KC- see above

1996
Johnathon Ogden - BAL- future HOF
Willie Anderson - CIN- solid player seen a couple of pro-bowls
John Michels - GB- dont know him
Jamain Stephens - PHI- dont know him
Andre Johnson - WASH- dont know him

1997
Orlando Pace - STL- future HOF
Walter Jones - SEA- best LT in the league
Tarik Glenn - IND- big time LT protecting best QB in the league
Ross Verba - GB- a jackass that is a pretty good player, sitting at home now though

1998
Kyle Turley - NO- solid RT, saw a probowl or two injury cut his career short
Tra Thomas - PHI- solid, and has seen some probowls
Victor Riley - KC- do I really need to say anything about this guy

1999
John Tait - KC- very solid player seen some probowls
Luke Petitgout - NYG- solid anchor on the NYG line
L.J. Shelton - PHO- traded to the browns is above average
Aaron Gibson - DET- serviceable

2000
Chris Samuels - WASH- good young LT
Stockar McDougal - DET- above average
Chris McIntosh - SEA- Ok, but a definate underachiever

2001
Leonard Davis - PHO- not really a T more of a RG
Kenyatta Walker - TB- big time underachiever
Jeff Backus - DET- solid LT/RT who may hit FA

2002
Mike Williams - BUF- solid but definately underachieving
Bryant McKinney - MIN- see above
Levi Jones - CIN- has become an pretty big time LT
Matt Colombo - CHI- slightly above average

2003
Jordon Gross - CAR- abover average RT that could play LT in a pinch
George Foster - DEN- above average RT
Kwame Harris - SF- underachiever

2004
Robert Gallery - OAK- future big time T is already the anchor on Oak line
Shawn Andrews - PHI- plays more G than T could change next year
Vernon Carey - MIA- plays alot of G also

2005
Jamaal Brown NO- started at RT and proved to be a solid pick
Alex Barron - STL- got the starting job was one of the most penalized OLs in the league.

Hope that helps man.

PapaL
02-08-2006, 04:07 PM
So it seems like everything else in the draft, there is no sure thing. Hit or miss. After a quick look, seems like a lot of these guys end up being RTs.

samomin
02-08-2006, 04:07 PM
Wow the 1997 class was something. Thanks for the info.

michaelm
02-08-2006, 04:23 PM
Speaking of classes that were something, take a look at the class of 1996.
I am not a draft guru; far from it, but there are some pretty good players pretty consistently through the first two rounds and even in the 7th you had Jay Riemersma.
Not too shabby.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1996