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BigWig
02-07-2006, 10:28 AM
I know there are really too many articels but this guy reminds me of our own AJ in this atricle, enjoy!
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/02/7bohls.html

Jack Bauer
02-07-2006, 10:41 AM
This is all I had to read to see this was nothing more than an AUSTIN paper pimping their own player:

Young has more leadership skills in his pinkie than pretty-boy Carr does in his made-for-GQ body.

I am glad Warren Moon agrees with me on the subject, BTW.

Edit: just adding I am referring to the paper's location and not where the poster (Big Wig) lives.

Fighting Blue Hen
02-07-2006, 10:41 AM
Big Wig, you are from Austin, that article is from Austin, and that article is a Pro VY article. I think that is enough to get you banned on this board.

I think you have to be an Aggie to have an "unbiased" opinion over here.

Htown34s
02-07-2006, 10:45 AM
I love this:

"Young has more leadership skills in his pinkie than pretty-boy Carr does in his made-for-GQ body. Young has the rarest of play-making skills, something like what the Steelers used.

During the week leading up to the Super Bowl, I took every opportunity to pick folks' brains about Vince's future, and I can absolutely tell you this: The Vince Young Fan Club grows by the day, maybe the hour."

BigWig
02-07-2006, 10:48 AM
Big Wig, you are from Austin, that article is from Austin, and that article is a Pro VY article. I think that is enough to get you banned on this board.

I think you have to be an Aggie to have an "unbiased" opinion over here.
I never went to college, I really dont even watch college football much, I live in Austin because its a gr8 place to live, when to Bellaire HS in Htown,please have mercy on me, oh please dont ban me, he he !
Besides Vinny and I want to different high schools together!

bigTEXan8
02-07-2006, 10:52 AM
Is this guy Justice's little brother?

Big B Texan Fan
02-07-2006, 10:58 AM
This is all I had to read to see this was nothing more than an AUSTIN paper pimping their own player:



I am glad Warren Moon agrees with me on the subject, BTW.

Edit: just adding I am referring to the paper's location and not where the poster (Big Wig) lives.
You and Moon can take your opinions to Canada and fight terrorism. J/K

Moon has no playoff wins and said that Young isn't the answer.
Ward, Randel El, and Staubach have rings and they say Young is the answer.
Hmmmm.
OK Jack, you're right, and just because it's an Austin paper means it has no credibility too. Jeez, they ought to just close up shop. What were they thinkin'. Kinda contradictory don't ya think, you're glad that Moon likes your opinion probably because you were a Moon fan but shame on an Austin writer to pump the pub on the local icon. The irony.

Fighting Blue Hen
02-07-2006, 11:03 AM
Maybe Moon is just envious of Carr because he is a family guy and can probably be around his wife without choking her.

Lucky
02-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Every time Ben Roethlisberger threw awry and he and Matt Hasselbeck scrambled, the thought kept popping into my head that Young might have had a Rose Bowl moment had he been in Detroit on Sunday.

Actually, he was in Detroit, sitting with his agent Major Adams in Ford Field. Vince had to be itching to put the pads on Sunday.

The two Super Bowl quarterbacks completed just 35 of 70 passes with three interceptions and just one touchdown.

Is Bohls implying that Young would have played better than Roethlisberger or Hasselbeck? I guess that Rose Bowl hangover lasts over a month.

Here's what HOFer Warren Moon thinks the Texans should do:

Moon, however, advises Houston not to draft Young.

"If you're the Texans and want to start all over again, you take him," he said. "I don't think they're that far away. If they can get their offensive line together, and they have a pretty productive running back in Dominick Davis, I think you stay with what you have and come forward."

BTW, Staubach never said in the article that the Texans should take Young.

Htown34s
02-07-2006, 11:30 AM
This is all I had to read to see this was nothing more than an AUSTIN paper pimping their own player

I'm sure all the quotes in the paper were made up too since it is from the Austin paper. Pure fabrication.

disclaimer: I too, live in Austin. Must be the only reason why I like VY then.

Htown34s
02-07-2006, 11:31 AM
Maybe Moon is just envious of Carr because he is a family guy and can probably be around his wife without choking her.

That must be it. Young isn't married, so he can't be a NFL star because he has no wife to beat.

Vinny
02-07-2006, 11:37 AM
Big Wig, you are from Austin, that article is from Austin, and that article is a Pro VY article. I think that is enough to get you banned on this board.

I think you have to be an Aggie to have an "unbiased" opinion over here.I never went to college, I really dont even watch college football much, I live in Austin because its a gr8 place to live, when to Bellaire HS in Htown,please have mercy on me, oh please dont ban me, he he !
Besides Vinny and I want to different high schools together!I've actually met the fabled BigWig...too nice a guy to ban if you aXe me. I've met Htown34s (steve) in this thread too...what a group of guys!

Khari
02-07-2006, 11:40 AM
Big Wig, you are from Austin, that article is from Austin, and that article is a Pro VY article. I think that is enough to get you banned on this board.

I think you have to be an Aggie to have an "unbiased" opinion over here.

We are banning non-aggies now? Dang it why didn't ya'll tell me..... :challenge

Coach C.
02-07-2006, 11:49 AM
If we did the board would be a lot better. Just kidding just because you did not go to the greatest school on earth other than MIT and Stanford we Aggs wont hate on you.

Jack Bauer
02-07-2006, 12:01 PM
You and Moon can take your opinions to Canada and fight terrorism. J/K

Moon has no playoff wins and said that Young isn't the answer.
Ward, Randel El, and Staubach have rings and they say Young is the answer.
Hmmmm.
OK Jack, you're right, and just because it's an Austin paper means it has no credibility too. Jeez, they ought to just close up shop. What were they thinkin'. Kinda contradictory don't ya think, you're glad that Moon likes your opinion probably because you were a Moon fan but shame on an Austin writer to pump the pub on the local icon. The irony.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with an Austin paper pimping their own player. I just prefer more objectivity. I think Moon is objective. What does he have to gain by saying that the Texans should stick with Carr? He doesn't say Carr is the better QB, he is saying that for the future of the Texans the best thing is to keep Carr and draft another position with the pick.

Jack Bauer
02-07-2006, 12:03 PM
BTW, Staubach never said in the article that the Texans should take Young.

Thanks. I scanned the article over and over looking for that. I thought I was losing it :wacko: for a minute!

Jack Bauer
02-07-2006, 12:07 PM
Maybe Moon is just envious of Carr because he is a family guy and can probably be around his wife without choking her.

Someone reading your sarcastic comment would think Moon is an advocate of drafting Young, which he is not.

thunderkyss
02-07-2006, 12:22 PM
I didn't say there was anything wrong with an Austin paper pimping their own player. I just prefer more objectivity. I think Moon is objective. What does he have to gain by saying that the Texans should stick with Carr? He doesn't say Carr is the better QB, he is saying that for the future of the Texans the best thing is to keep Carr and draft another position with the pick.


Warren Moons records....... are those still in Houston, or did they go to Tenessee??

hines Ward, Randle el, Stawbock..... they all said Vince was the answer, that he's going to be great in the NFL...... that doesn't necessarily mean that the Texans should draft him.

I like how he gave props to DD also, and said stick with what you got, and move forward. Hopefully that doesn't mean take Reggie. I'd much rather teach a reciever to catch, than draft Bush with the #1 overall.

MorKnolle
02-07-2006, 12:28 PM
Warren Moons records....... are those still in Houston, or did they go to Tenessee??

hines Ward, Randle el, Stawbock..... they all said Vince was the answer, that he's going to be great in the NFL...... that doesn't necessarily mean that the Texans should draft him.

I like how he gave props to DD also, and said stick with what you got, and move forward. Hopefully that doesn't mean take Reggie. I'd much rather teach a reciever to catch, than draft Bush with the #1 overall.

I'm sure they headed out of town with the franchise formerly known as the Oilers.

Htown34s
02-07-2006, 01:01 PM
I think Moon is objective. What does he have to gain by saying that the Texans should stick with Carr?

This point makes more sense Jack. I think the Bohls was just trying to inject some humor with his observations on Carr. Bohls doesn't have many fans in Austin, so I don't see anything into his homer-ism.

I couldn't care less about Moon. His exploits while he was in Houston are well documented. I lost any respect for him years ago. Tennessee can have him.

jerek
02-07-2006, 01:17 PM
Hm, a Vince Young fan wants to write an article, follow with me as we deduce the logical conclusion here:

Does the author:

(a) Talk to and write about the opinions of those players and people who will support his position, injecting the one comment from Mr. Moon in order to appear "fair" and unbiased, or does he:
(b) Talk to and quote a broad spectrum of players and people who might say any number of unpredictable yet unfavorable things about his favorite draft prospect in the NFL, in an attempt to get a truly fair and unbiased sample (remember statistics?)

Hmmmmm ...

HMMMMMMMMM ...

Why is it that any time any one prints something in any paper, no matter how small, inconsequential, or dubious the source, that someone on this board slurps it all up word for word as if it represents the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Down with Warren Moon and his passing records and his off-field problems, but most especially down with him for indirectly speaking up for David Carr and against the Grand Champion. None of you had a problem with the guy when he was here and tearing up NFL defenses for years on end. Vince Won the Rose Bowl and is sure to Win Super Bowl After Super Bowl here, because hindsight regarding Moon and your now distaste for him is 20/20, but future premonition regarding Young's assured greatness is equally clear.

Htown34s
02-07-2006, 01:31 PM
Hmmmmm ...

HMMMMMMMMM ...

Jerek it seems that you are referencing me in your post. Maybe not, but I have a few things to point out.

The article was not written by "a Vince Young fan". Kirk Bohls is worse than any writter who works for The Chronic.

He was interviewing people who were at the Super Bowl this weekend. That was pretty much who he covered.

I thought the quotes were important for the VY Haters to hear since a lot of them think VY will be nothing more than a WR in the NFL, since that is what has become of some other running QB's. Two of them are in this article, both agreeing he will be a special QB.

It quotes a HOF'er and Super Bowl winning QB Roger Staubach, who says he is an accurate passer, also contrary to most every VY Hater on this board.

The article is titled "Vince Young's stock is Super high", which it is, all over America. Incredibly everywhere expect for Houston, where most of the VY Haters seem to live.

Another thing. I didn't like Moon after he kept beating his wife. It had nothing to do with his football skills.

ubecool454
02-07-2006, 01:54 PM
Maybe Moon is just envious of Carr because he is a family guy and can probably be around his wife without choking her.
read the article again...Moon wasn't bashing David Carr!:brickwall

Sejjr
02-07-2006, 02:30 PM
I just don't understand the "want to start all over" arguement. How much lower can a franchise get than 2-14? We are starting over already with a new coach and a new scheme. We owe David Carr absolutely nothing.

MorKnolle
02-07-2006, 03:06 PM
I just don't understand the "want to start all over" arguement. How much lower can a franchise get than 2-14? We are starting over already with a new coach and a new scheme. We owe David Carr absolutely nothing.

One bad year doesn't mean we should scrap everything we have and start all over. We're bringing in a new coaching system that should help out a lot, and we already have some young talent at QB, RB, WR, and a couple on defense. New coaching should also help those guys improve more than our previous coaches did and help them better fulfill their potential. If all of our primary players were 35 years old and we had a 2-14 season, then I would say it is time to start over and scrap most of our team, but that's not the case with us. The majority of our talent is young, we need to bring in more young talent, get our new offensive and defensive systems going to utilize that talent, maybe bring in a couple veteran leaders to help guide the young guys, and make wiser personnel decision. Unfortunately we have some bad contract situations with some older guys which tie up some money, but we have some solid pieces to build on if we cut away the dead wood and bring in some new talent from the draft and free agency.

Htown34s
02-07-2006, 03:16 PM
One bad year doesn't mean we should scrap everything we have and start all over.

Hiring a new coach with different philosophy on both sides of the ball is pretty much starting over. Not scraping any players of course (except for our OLBs), but starting over.

There is no guarantee that Carr can learn the new offense quicker than VY can learn the new offense. It could be argued that Carr may have a little more problem with learning anything new because he has taken so many sacks.
Of course Carr has seen more NFL defensive sets.

Bottom line is installing an entirely new offense is a perfect time to get a new QB.

BigWig
02-07-2006, 04:20 PM
Well that was fun, usually my threads dont get much action except when I posted aj's "voice of the fan.
Anyhoo there are gr8 points to both sides in the article and the fact that some of those players endorsed him is cool. We all know the brass is leaning to the bush or trade down scenario. If we get VY I will change my avatar for a year to have USC or something on it, wait that would be too painful. I'll come up with something!

txlonghorn14
02-07-2006, 11:29 PM
i love this article. maybe cause i'm biased, but it pretty much sums it up. if houston doesn't draft V. Young, they will be subjected to watching the titans go on a championship run for years to come. now, fans in houston wouldn't want that would they? PICK VINCE AND PUT HIM IN BATTLE RED. :redtowel:

Fighting Blue Hen
02-08-2006, 12:22 AM
Someone reading your sarcastic comment would think Moon is an advocate of drafting Young, which he is not.

read the article again...Moon wasn't bashing David Carr!:brickwall

Are both of you A&M grads?

My post was "Maybe Moon is just envious of Carr because he is a family guy and can probably be around his wife without choking her."

My post was obviously sarcastic, HOWEVER, I said Moon was ENVIOUS of Carr. How does having ENVY for someone come off as bashing or come off that he is advocating drafting Young?

Envy - a feeling of admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another.

To spell it out, Moon is obviously in favor of keeping Carr according to that article. Maybe that is because he is ENVIOUS or admires Carr because he is a family guy which is something that Moon would have liked to be but was not.

HOOK'EM
02-08-2006, 08:22 AM
Moon wants da Bush!:ok:

jerek
02-08-2006, 12:27 PM
Jerek it seems that you are referencing me in your post. Maybe not, but I have a few things to point out.

The article was not written by "a Vince Young fan". Kirk Bohls is worse than any writter who works for The Chronic.

He was interviewing people who were at the Super Bowl this weekend. That was pretty much who he covered.

I thought the quotes were important for the VY Haters to hear since a lot of them think VY will be nothing more than a WR in the NFL, since that is what has become of some other running QB's. Two of them are in this article, both agreeing he will be a special QB.

It quotes a HOF'er and Super Bowl winning QB Roger Staubach, who says he is an accurate passer, also contrary to most every VY Hater on this board.

The article is titled "Vince Young's stock is Super high", which it is, all over America. Incredibly everywhere expect for Houston, where most of the VY Haters seem to live.

Another thing. I didn't like Moon after he kept beating his wife. It had nothing to do with his football skills.

(a) Was not referencing you, not sure how you drew that connection?

(b) Vince will be a good NFL QB. He has quite enough skill at QB coming off of a Rose Bowl championship win that there is no way some ***** GM will try to turn him into a WR.

(c) Every writer has an agenda. Every single writer. You kid yourself if you believe he did not write that article to state his support for Vince Young. His article included what, five quotes? So what, he managed to only grab five people who had something to say about Vince? Connect the dots here.

(d) If anything, the opposite is true regarding your assertion of Vince's "everywhere" stock. Only in Houston is he widely touted by so many as the one-man savior of the Texans franchise. If your position is simply that he will be a good NFL QB, then I agree with you. However, many people are touting him to the point of utter hyperbole, and much of that all right here in Houston. Outside of Houston, there is a strong majority amongst analysts/NFL personnel that the Texans should/are going with Bush or possibly the tradedown, because, now here this: there is still a lot of support for David Carr as our quarterback.

(e) As for Moon beating his wife, you are right, that is garbage. And no, I don't respect him for it either. But people are directly emphasizing that his football opinion is invalidated because he "beat his wife." Not true. A guy can be a supreme jackass and still know what he is talking about.