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HoustonFrog
02-06-2006, 07:54 AM
What a joke. We are hearing stuff about VY and Bush and money and then I hear that Joe Montana didn't show up for the MVP ceremony before the SB because he wasn't guaranteed enough money. What a joke.

powerfuldragon
02-06-2006, 09:36 AM
all i can say in his defense is that he is Joe Montana.

BigBull17
02-06-2006, 09:57 AM
Terry Bradshaw didnt show up either, whats his reason. And I think its sad that Montana wouldnt show for money, give me a break.

Kaiser Toro
02-06-2006, 10:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2321024

When the NFL unveiled its MVPs from the previous 39 Super Bowls, only three living members skipped the ceremony.

Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana and former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw decided to stay home, while former Dolphins MVP Jake Scott was traveling in Australia.

Montana, the league's only three-time Super Bowl MVP, turned down the invitation over money, Newsday and the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

Bradshaw, who told league officials that he wanted to be with his family, also took issue with the fees, the Chronicle reported. Bradshaw, through a representative, denied the Chronicle's report that there was a dispute over money.

Former MVPs were given $1,000 for incidental expenses while in Detroit, along with other amenities such as plane tickets, car rental and game tickets.

Sources told each paper that Montana asked for a guarantee of at least $100,000 in appearance money.

When the league balked at Montana's demands, the quarterback declined to be in

HoustonFrog
02-06-2006, 10:41 AM
That is what I heard Kaiser. The radio show did stick with the Bradshaw and family story. They said there might also be some bitterness towards the fans of Pittsburgh. The Montana thing..he is Montana..but look who all showed up..that is bush league.

Kaiser Toro
02-06-2006, 10:47 AM
I can see his side as it is his brand name and it commands a certain fee. However, it is the grand stage of football and he has wirtten a number of chapters in SB history. This could have been handled better by the league and Montana.

Double Barrel
02-06-2006, 11:19 AM
Joe Montana is a legend. The NFL needs his image more than he needs anything from football at this point. He has given what he had to give, and he knows the NFL is raking in hundreds of billions of dollars for the Superbowl. Giving out $1000 is chump change to these guys, and is indicative of the NFL being more representative of owners' financial interests more than anything.

I thought the MVP introductions was cheese to begin with, but I'm more for the football game itself than the overall event.

Texan Asylum
02-06-2006, 11:58 AM
Perhaps they found out that the game was rigged, as another thread would suggest, and didn't want anything to do with it. Three Lone Rangers in a whole league of sell-outs.:rolleyes:

nunusguy
02-06-2006, 12:32 PM
Montana proved again something I've known for a long time, he is not in the
same class with the likes of Elway, Marino, & Aikman.

Hervoyel
02-06-2006, 12:40 PM
Joe Montana needs nothing from the NFL at this point, I'll conceed that. He's apparently forgotten that without the NFL he would be "relatively speaking" nothing.

$100,000 to simply appear? Joe Montana is stupid if he thinks anyone would be asking him to appear had he not played in the NFL and been a Super Bowl MVP. It would have benefited him to go back and rub shoulders with those other great players and to have been seen on the Super Bowl broadcast.

I didn't know he was this stupid.

Blake
02-06-2006, 12:50 PM
To the NFL. Dont think you can have anyone you want come stand on the field, just because you want them to. Montana gets 100,000 for appearances. What do you want him to do? Appear... The NFL has the money, if they want him to appear for them.

And to those who think he owes the NFL anything, think again. Montana made just as much, if not more money for the NFL, than Montana made from the NFL. Its a 2 way street.

Hervoyel
02-06-2006, 12:58 PM
To the NFL. Dont think you can have anyone you want come stand on the field, just because you want them to. Montana gets 100,000 for appearances. What do you want him to do? Appear... The NFL has the money, if they want him to appear for them.

And to those who think he owes the NFL anything, think again. Montana made just as much, if not more money for the NFL, than Montana made from the NFL. Its a 2 way street.

There's a difference between the kind of appearance that Montana makes for $100,000 and being asked to stand up with 39 Super Bowl MVP's. One is a money making opportunity and the other is the reason why you can make that money.

Take away the NFL and what is Joe Montana? He's a former college QB who's trying to make a living in whatever line of work he decided to go into. Playing in the NFL gave him the opportunity to command $100,000 for an appearance. I don't think he owes them anything, I think he was stupid not to use the opportunity to reinforce his place among those legends. Doing things like that keep a former player in the lime light and allow him to charge $100,000 (for instance) to appear for far longer than he might if he didn't do them.

You're nuts if you think Joe Montana by himself made as much money, if not more for the NFL. Take him out of the equation and someone else has their day in the sun. You could remove Montana, or Aikman, or Marino and someone else would instantly assume their place, be the hero, and make the money.

HoustonFrog
02-06-2006, 01:01 PM
To the NFL. Dont think you can have anyone you want come stand on the field, just because you want them to. Montana gets 100,000 for appearances. What do you want him to do? Appear... The NFL has the money, if they want him to appear for them.

And to those who think he owes the NFL anything, think again. Montana made just as much, if not more money for the NFL, than Montana made from the NFL. Its a 2 way street.

You are forgetting something. The NFL was incredible and doing fine before Montana. It isn't like he MADE the league. The league made him and gave him the forum to show his brilliance. Considering that everyone from Bart Starr to Staubach, to Brady thought $1000, first class flight and hotel was enough to walk out and show their appreciation shows what kind of guy he is. What a joke.

nunusguy
02-06-2006, 01:05 PM
I didn't know he was this stupid.
No kidding. And Montana I'm thinking had a rather modest background, like
almost all of those guys. He seems to be such a simple, basic, down to earth sort of person when interviewed on TV. And you know, I mean its the SB. I think his action is something else besides stupid. Its also arrogant.

Kaiser Toro
02-06-2006, 01:22 PM
Guys put away the gas cans. I have run events before - international basketball tournaments, draft camp for a defunct Basketball League, etc and this was just bad planning, organization and communication. These rarely go off well from a television viewpoint and either puts the participants in a awkward light or it puts the no shows in a negative spotlight.

Before anyone lays blame, and I am not sure why we need to as there were no betting propositions that I was aware of, we need to know when the invites went out, were the terms communicated and what was a palatable attrition rate for the segment to go on. Moreover, if an invite was declined how would it be messaged. This is where the NFL failed, in my opinion.

disaacks3
02-06-2006, 01:27 PM
Sources told each paper that Montana asked for a guarantee of at least $100,000 in appearance money. Wow....just, wow...

I can understand the Joe Montana's of the world not thinking that 1K in spending money wasn't enough to break them out of their "normal" SuperBowl schedule. It should have been worth more than $1,000 per-player to the league for their appearances. I understand the two-way-street aspect, but 1-K-PER is a bit on the Cheapskate side for the $$$-making machine that is the NFL. To put this in perspective for many of us, think about somebody offering you $50 plus flight, hotel to break whatever engagements or parties you might have had planned to show up at an office party for your former employer. That's what it is for most of these guys.

...however...

Turning around and asking for 100K is just being greedy though. I can see these guys and I mean ALL of them) asking for maybe 5-10K each, since most have wives / kids. etc. and might want to show them a good time in Detroit. Asking for an increase of 2 orders of magnitude is just begging someone to stroke your ego though. I'm glad the NFL declined to oblige.

If the report is true, it's sad to see childhood idols like Montana show the 'unfortunate' side of too much success.

gwallaia
02-06-2006, 01:30 PM
Many years ago Joe Montana tried to sue the Addidas shoe company for naming a pair of their running shoes "Montana" Addidas also has running shoes with the name "Orgeon" and "Atlanta" After Addidas explained that the shoes were named after the "state" of "Montana", Joe's lawyers suggested he withdraw the lawsuit.

Porky
02-06-2006, 01:56 PM
Joe Montana was one of my football hero's in the 80's. I loved watching SF play football. They were my second team to root for after the Oilers of course. I always thought he was a class guy on and off the field. This has totally changed my opinion of him. He is a first class jerk, and I have lost all respect for him. I'll turn off the tv if I ever see him on it. As far as I am concerned, he is dead, or might as well be.

Double Barrel
02-06-2006, 03:17 PM
Dan Patrick just said on his show that Montana could not make the Superbowl appearance because he's watching one of his kids play a college basketball game. He told DP last Friday that he missed too much of his kids' life growing up, and he always makes them the priority after he retired.

So I guess take it for what it's worth.... idonno:

These guys aren't gods...they are men like you and I....the reason you shouldn't worship football players....they are just people....some good, some bad, some greedy, some smart, some dopey, some brilliant....just regular people like you and I. It's just that they had or have some physical skills.

I really don't care what Montana does on his spare time to be honest...He's just another guy to me.

Exactly the way I feel, too. Dude puts his pants legs on one at a time just like the rest of us. While I've enjoyed his entertainment value as a HoF QB, I don't put him on a pedestal.

Jack Bauer
02-06-2006, 03:22 PM
Montana proved again something I've known for a long time, he is not in the
same class with the likes of Elway, Marino, & Aikman.

I know you are not trying to say that Elway and Marino have more class than Montana? Montana is a great guy and Elway and Marino are jerks. The only person of the three to treat me as a human being was Montana. Stop grilling the guy when you have no idea what is going on other than what the media is reporting. In case you guys haven't learned, the media does not always communicate reliable information. Geez, it is ALWAYS: FIRE, READY, AIM on this MB, eh?

Texan Asylum
02-06-2006, 03:23 PM
I really don't care what Montana does on his spare time to be honest...He's just another guy to me.

Exactly the way I feel, too. Dude puts his pants legs on one at a time just like the rest of us. While I've enjoyed his entertainment value as a HoF QB, I don't put him on a pedestal.

My kids get all googlely eye'd when they see a celeb and I always tell them..."Those guys should be wanting to get OUR autographs. WE'RE the famous ones here." Kinda makes them feel good about themselves.:)

Boxscore
02-06-2006, 07:49 PM
Porky, This quote by you is kind of not right!

As far as I am concerned, he is dead, or might as well be.

In Joe's defense I still consider him a class act. The last time I heard him was a very humbling interview with 610 sports a few years ago. In the 610 interview, he was advocating people to be aware of High Blood Pressure, the silent killer. I still consider him one of my all time favorites. He is a native Pennsylvanian and we share the same birthday, 6-11-1956. So until it becomes official, I will believe it was a family thing, much like Terry Bradshaw's reason for not being in Detroit.

http://www.heartinfo.org/ms/news/522436/main.html

Double Barrel
02-07-2006, 11:02 AM
According to Joe Montana himself - on the "Quite Frankly" show with Steven A. Smith - this story is completely bogus.

Montana had a prior commitment to his son that he had advised the NFL well in advance. He felt his promise to his sons to watch their basketball games and then go home together to watch the Superbowl was more of a priority than making an appearance.

Basically, he chose to be a father over celebrity. I applaud him for it.

He also said this fish hack never contacted him or his agent to verify the story, and money had NOTHING to do with his absence. He said this writer has written bogus stories about him in the past, and they've always been proven wrong.

So who are you going to believe? A Hall of Fame, 3 time Superbowl MVP QB, and 4 time champion, that has been the epitome of class - or - some fish hack for the San Fran Chronicle?

Texan Asylum
02-07-2006, 11:10 AM
So who are you going to believe? A Hall of Fame, 3 time Superbowl MVP QB, and 4 time champion, that has been the epitome of class - or - some fish hack for the San Fran Chronicle?

Thanks DB for the post...knew there had to be another side of the story.

Porky
02-07-2006, 12:50 PM
According to Joe Montana himself - on the "Quite Frankly" show with Steven A. Smith - this story is completely bogus.

Montana had a prior commitment to his son that he had advised the NFL well in advance. He felt his promise to his sons to watch their basketball games and then go home together to watch the Superbowl was more of a priority than making an appearance.

Basically, he chose to be a father over celebrity. I applaud him for it.

He also said this fish hack never contacted him or his agent to verify the story, and money had NOTHING to do with his absence. He said this writer has written bogus stories about him in the past, and they've always been proven wrong.

So who are you going to believe? A Hall of Fame, 3 time Superbowl MVP QB, and 4 time champion, that has been the epitome of class - or - some fish hack for the San Fran Chronicle?

If this is true, then how come he was at Detriot attending SB parties all week long, into the weekend, and so forth. This has been confirmed. Is it possible this is nothing more than an attempt at image repair? Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of an athletes or agents mouth?

Txn_in_Oki
02-07-2006, 01:01 PM
If this is true, then how come he was at Detriot attending SB parties all week long, into the weekend, and so forth. This has been confirmed. Is it possible this is nothing more than an attempt at image repair? Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of an athletes or agents mouth?

If he was there all week that doesn't mean he could be there Sunday. "Don't worry sonny, I'll fly back Saturday or Sunday and be there in time for your game."

Going to a party on Monday or Tuesday doesn't automatically lock you down for the rest of the week.

I bet VY could have been at the Super Bowl AND his son's party. :superman:

Texan Asylum
02-07-2006, 01:28 PM
I bet VY could have been at the Super Bowl AND his son's party. :)

I heard VY can talk a vegetarian into BBQing a hamster.

edo783
02-07-2006, 01:42 PM
If this is true, then how come he was at Detriot attending SB parties all week long, into the weekend, and so forth. This has been confirmed. Is it possible this is nothing more than an attempt at image repair? Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of an athletes or agents mouth?

He was there til Friday and left Friday afternoon. THAT was confirmed on ESPN radio. People would much rather trash someone than check the facts.

Hervoyel
02-07-2006, 01:42 PM
I bet VY could have been at the Super Bowl AND his son's party.

You don't have to bet he could, I can tell you right up front that I know he could and, despite the fact that a lot of people didn't notice it at the time he did

Vince Young was in fact the MVP of the Super Bowl MVP's event. It's just that nobody saw him because he'd travelled back in time from the future to do it and his body hadn't finished synchronizing with our time period yet. On a molecular level he was moving so fast that he was, for all practical purposes invisible to the human eye. Watching a recording of the Super Bowl in slow motion shows him clearly standing next to the other future Super Bowl MVP who came back in time with him, Drew Henson.

jerek
02-07-2006, 01:57 PM
If this is true, then how come he was at Detriot attending SB parties all week long, into the weekend, and so forth. This has been confirmed. Is it possible this is nothing more than an attempt at image repair? Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of an athletes or agents mouth?

Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of a newswriters/broadcasters mouth?

Holy ****, this isn't brain science. Do you know how easy it is to quote "multiple sources?" I just did it, and it took, if I am counting correctly, seventeen keystrokes.

If he was there all week that doesn't mean he could be there Sunday. "Don't worry sonny, I'll fly back Saturday or Sunday and be there in time for your game."

Going to a party on Monday or Tuesday doesn't automatically lock you down for the rest of the week.

I bet VY could have been at the Super Bowl AND his son's party. :superman:

And the light comes on.

According to Joe Montana himself - on the "Quite Frankly" show with Steven A. Smith - this story is completely bogus.

Montana had a prior commitment to his son that he had advised the NFL well in advance. He felt his promise to his sons to watch their basketball games and then go home together to watch the Superbowl was more of a priority than making an appearance.

Basically, he chose to be a father over celebrity. I applaud him for it.

He also said this fish hack never contacted him or his agent to verify the story, and money had NOTHING to do with his absence. He said this writer has written bogus stories about him in the past, and they've always been proven wrong.

So who are you going to believe? A Hall of Fame, 3 time Superbowl MVP QB, and 4 time champion, that has been the epitome of class - or - some fish hack for the San Fran Chronicle?

It's possible that Montana is a greedy lout, sure. But I would bet on Montana's respect for the game before I would bet on some truffle hunting newswriter reporting the facts over making a name for himself.

Jack Bauer
02-07-2006, 01:58 PM
If this is true, then how come he was at Detriot attending SB parties all week long, into the weekend, and so forth. This has been confirmed. Is it possible this is nothing more than an attempt at image repair? Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of an athletes or agents mouth?

The question is why do we always believe what the media reports?

If he attends an event on Friday, why does this automatically mean he was available Sunday?

Double Barrel
02-07-2006, 03:33 PM
If this is true, then how come he was at Detriot attending SB parties all week long, into the weekend, and so forth. This has been confirmed. Is it possible this is nothing more than an attempt at image repair? Why do we always automatically believe everything that comes out of an athletes or agents mouth?

He told Steven A. Smith that he'd been in Detroit all week long meeting sponsors and doing whatever the NFL asked of him. I did not find this information relevant, so I didn't mention it. He's not hiding anything.

I'm not taking anyone's "side", but reporting what came from the man's mouth.

BTW, where is the reporter? Why isn't he on EPSN defending his little story? Montana was open to interviews the next day. But the fish hack, like usual, slithers back under his rock after sniping without bullets.

Do you honestly think that a little five second wave at the audience was more important than attending both of his sons' basketball games? C'mon, man, that intro of past MVPs was pure cheese, and added absolutely nothing to the game itself.

I understand you fault people for putting their family before football, but geesh man, Joe Montana has paid his dues and put football before family his entire career. Can't you cut him a little slack for deciding to take this opportunity to be a dad?

BTW, Dan Patrick said today that he's checked with his NFL sources, and Montana told the League a long time ago that he couldn't make it. Money was NEVER an issue. Go figure.

Believe what you want to believe. Your perception is your reality.

edo783
02-07-2006, 05:42 PM
Bradshaw didn't show up either. He said it was because he works for FOX. The funny part about that was he said it while on a NBC talk show he was a guest of.

Yup, he also said he doesn't go to the SB. Doesn't like the crowds. One time when Bradshaw was on Lenno he said something about having some sort of fear of crowds that he is being treated for. Sound odd that a guy who played in front of thousands developed that phobia, but that kind of thing happens all the time. My brother in-law has it and it's not a pleasent thing.

Double Barrel
02-07-2006, 05:58 PM
I thought it was strange Bradshaw wasn't there, especially since the Steelers were in the Superbowl!. That, in itself, seems like it would be cause to attend outside of the MVP introductions.

I really wish the NFL would go back to focussing on the game, instead of the event. I know, fat chance and all that jazz. But the game certainly did not live up to the hype this year.

cuppacoffee
02-07-2006, 09:07 PM
Part of an article from a sportsblog. A Notre Dame scrapbook of sorts.

"The NFL has, for the most part, dismissed the needs of retired players. For a concrete example involving one of ND’s own, recall the situation of John Mazur. And Montana himself has experienced the NFL’s disinterest in the medical problems facing former players. Consider these excerpts from Dave Newhouse’s recent Oroville Mercury-Register article (worth reading in its entirety):
Today's heroes are tomorrow's infirmities. It's the nature of the beast, or beasts, 300-pound bodies striking with incredible force, very often after a running start. The most vulnerable target in sports is an unsuspecting, stationary quarterback who's about to be steamrolled from behind by a full-speed-ahead, licking-his-chops pass rusher.

At least a batter in baseball can see a beanball coming.

However, today's football players, as a rule, won't suffer nearly as greatly as their predecessors from 30 years ago. That's because the field of medicine has advanced, and so have salaries. This means current players are cared for much better any way you examine their working conditions.
and

The subject of whether retired players are taken care of properly in terms of their ailments raises as many doubts as assurances.

Joe Montana first became aware of NFL afterlife at a 49ers alumni function.

"I was watching some of the older guys go up three steps to get onto a platform," he said. "It was almost embarrassing that we can't do something about that."

Montana then discovered for himself how the NFL treats its retirees.

"You want to know how bad they are?" he said of the league. "I'll give you a perfect example. I've been getting my knee done, and my neck. I won a judgment against whoever it is — the 49ers or workman's comp — and the NFL sued me. They fought my case, and all I wanted was medical coverage.

"So I won medical coverage for life. I get a call from my doctor, because I'm working on my knee right now, that (the NFL) has been refusing my claims. They've decided they're not going to pay — after I won my case! I blame it as much on the players association as the teams. ... We have the worst medical coverage, the worst retirement plan of any of the major sports."
It appears that Montana has perfectly valid reasons for resisting the NFL’s overtures. However, even if such stories had not appeared in the media, Montana should not have to justify his decision to abstain from the ceremonies to the public at large. Certainly not to Notre Dame fans."

Wouldn't you be pizzed if your former employer refused a valid medical claim even after you won a judgement against them.

Read if for yourself if you are interested. (http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/)

Kaiser Toro
02-07-2006, 09:11 PM
After that I am very comfortable with the middle I took on this one. ;)

run-david-run
02-07-2006, 09:46 PM
Its kind of funny reading the reactions of people before the whole story comes out, then the tune changes...lol. I say Montana deserves some respect for his decison. I also agree that the SB should be about the SB. Cut the concert, the intorductions...make it a football game, just like every other game, that is puerly about the game (and some cheerleaders). I found it disturbing that the day after on the radio, they reported the score and the fancy catchline, something about the buss, then went on to talk about the commercials for about 10 minutes...sad...