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The Preacher
02-04-2006, 09:55 AM
There seems to be some different opinions on which LT/DE would be best for the team so let's just see what the public thinks. Assuming both scenarios were possible would you rather see D'Brick/Manny Lawson as Texans or Mario Williams/Eric Winston.

YoungTexanFan
02-04-2006, 10:02 AM
Wow.

I went with D'brick and Lawson.

D'brick is far superior to Winston, and fits our blocking scheme better.
Lawson is more athletic than Mario, but is just not as big. Both will be studs. I am predicting now that Lawson gets more sacks if he plays DE than Mario. Lawson is still like 6'5 255 or so. Say he gains 8 lbs of muscle. He is now at 263, that is good for a DE. He is the weakside DE who gets to the QB.

hot pickle
02-04-2006, 11:37 AM
I want Mario Williams so bad, but i want d'brick to, i hope the texans pick one of those two guys, but im leaning towards Mario

Grid
02-04-2006, 11:51 AM
I went Williams/Winston. Winston fits our blocking scheme just as well as Dbrick does.

Williams is a 290 pound guy that moves like a 250 pound guy. He is exactly what we need at defensive end. He can block the run, or get to the QB.

Texans>Colts
02-04-2006, 11:54 AM
I picked Fegurson/Lawson. Fegurson is a great LT and the best out there as we all no. WInston also has some ankle problems with his injuries the past years. Then, you have Mario Williams, the best DE out there. Yes, u would rather take him than lawson buut i was thinking this guy could play LB 4 us. HJe has great speed, gets to the carrier in a heartbeat, and can tackle well. The only, thing we would need to work with him on his coverage at times.

YoungTexanFan
02-04-2006, 12:06 PM
I picked Fegurson/Lawson. Fegurson is a great LT and the best out there as we all no. WInston also has some ankle problems with his injuries the past years. Then, you have Mario Williams, the best DE out there. Yes, u would rather take him than lawson buut i was thinking this guy could play LB 4 us. HJe has great speed, gets to the carrier in a heartbeat, and can tackle well. The only, thing we would need to work with him on his coverage at times.

NO. I do not want another DE/OLB convert.

Lawson has the size to be a DE with 5-8 pounds of muscle gain. That is not asking a lot.

YoungTexanFan
02-04-2006, 12:07 PM
Winston fits our blocking scheme just as well as Dbrick does.


Winston does not really fit our scheme. He is not going to be as quick as we need. He would be a RT his first year or two.

Texans>Colts
02-04-2006, 12:13 PM
NO. I do not want another DE/OLB convert.

Lawson has the size to be a DE with 5-8 pounds of muscle gain. That is not asking a lot.

School: North Carolina State
Position: Defensive End
Class: 2006
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 220lbs
Birthday: 7/3/84
40 Time: 4.51 (estimated)

220lbs is a good size for a DE:confused: :hmmm: idonno: :(

Positives


- Despite playing defensive end at NC State, Mannyís shown he has more than enough athleticism to drop back to play linebacker. He may actually be on of the faster LB prospects in the country, which makes the fact that he played DE fairly astounding. Heís an excellent pass rusher, racking up 7 sacks and 12 tackles for loss last year, but is also very good in run support. Also, he has great size for an Outside Linebacker.

Weaknesses


- Hasnít played linebacker since his sophomore year, so thereís going to be a natural readjustment period. The first thing that the team that drafts him will have to work on is his coverage skills, because the speed of the game will have changed a great deal from his last LB duty. Plus, he had the benefit of playing across from possibly the best DE in the nation at NC State in Mario Williams, so his numbers may be a little inflated.

Overall Analysis


- The risk/reward value on Manny is one of the highest in the 2006 class. He could never meet his expectations due to the inability to return to the LB position at a high level, or he could turn out to be one of the most dangerous linebackers in the league. Mannyís ideal situation would probably be in a 3-4, which would having him standing up, but also allow the freedom to rush the passer very, very often.

texasguy346
02-04-2006, 12:15 PM
Winston does not really fit our scheme. He is not going to be as quick as we need. He would be a RT his first year or two.

It's likely that any OT we take will be a RT his first year or two. Kubiak might not be willing to put a rookie out there at LT right away. Pitts knows the system, and very well could be the best option at LT until the rookie develops.

I went with the Williams/Winston combo too. Mario Williams would be a great pickup for this defense. It would give us a playmaker at the DE position, and would force opposing coaches to gameplan around him. The difference in talent level between D'Brick & Winston is much less than in Williams & Lawson.

Texans>Colts
02-04-2006, 12:19 PM
Mario Williams

Position: Defensive End
School: North Carolina State

Status: Junior

Height: 6-7

Weight: 285

40-Yard Dash:


Positives:
A tall, quick pass rusher, Mario Williams has been a starter in Raleigh since his freshman year. He has outstanding speed and long arms to get around the offensive tackle. Williams has amazing athleticism and compares favorably to Julius Peppers, lengthy and fast. He has a quick first step and always seems to find the quarterback. Williams is durable and an NFL ready

Negatives:
Williams understands the game, but is still learning. He needs to improve his defense against the run and not simply focus on pass rushing. Williams sometimes plays too high because of his tall stature, but needs to drive low and get better leverage.

Overview:
Scouts have had their eye on this kid since breaking onto the college scene because of his pure athletic ability. He has natural instincts that help him improve with every game. Has great potential and is still learning some of the true nuances of the game, but would be able to make some waves immediately at the next level.

rmartin65
02-04-2006, 12:20 PM
I'll take the Brick and Lawson. Dbrick is a monster at LT and Lawson could get almost as good as Williams.

YoungTexanFan
02-04-2006, 12:21 PM
School: North Carolina State
Position: Defensive End
Class: 2006
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 220lbs
Birthday: 7/3/84
40 Time: 4.51 (estimated)

220lbs is a good size for a DE:confused: :hmmm: idonno: :(

Positives


- Despite playing defensive end at NC State, Mannyís shown he has more than enough athleticism to drop back to play linebacker. He may actually be on of the faster LB prospects in the country, which makes the fact that he played DE fairly astounding. Heís an excellent pass rusher, racking up 7 sacks and 12 tackles for loss last year, but is also very good in run support. Also, he has great size for an Outside Linebacker.

Weaknesses


- Hasnít played linebacker since his sophomore year, so thereís going to be a natural readjustment period. The first thing that the team that drafts him will have to work on is his coverage skills, because the speed of the game will have changed a great deal from his last LB duty. Plus, he had the benefit of playing across from possibly the best DE in the nation at NC State in Mario Williams, so his numbers may be a little inflated.

Overall Analysis


- The risk/reward value on Manny is one of the highest in the 2006 class. He could never meet his expectations due to the inability to return to the LB position at a high level, or he could turn out to be one of the most dangerous linebackers in the league. Mannyís ideal situation would probably be in a 3-4, which would having him standing up, but also allow the freedom to rush the passer very, very often.

I was under the impression that he was about 255. I am fairly confident that he is not 220. Safties and RB's weigh that much. I think there was a thread on here a few days ago regarding his weight. It showed his size/weight compared to the top DE's in the league. It also included peek and babin for fun.

Maybe a moderator will look it up??

Texans>Colts
02-04-2006, 12:21 PM
Eric Winston

Position: Offensive Tackle
School: Miami (FL)

Status: Senior

Height: 6-7

Weight: 310

40-Yard Dash: 5.10 (EST)


Positives:
Eric Winston possesses great size and the intelligence to play the offensive tackle position, either on the left or right side. He is an all around athlete with great agility for his tall stature. Winston has great speed and quick feet to keep up with the intense pressure from defenses at the next level.Sponsored Links

Negatives:
Winston tore his anterior cruciate ligament in the fourth game last season against Georgia Tech, but should be fully recovered. Lost a year of experience from the injury.

Overview:
Winston, who has already graduated, was a recruit at TE, but made the transition to offensive tackle before the 2003 season. He didnít play offensive tackle in high school or his freshman year, but he has made an amazing transition to the O-line.

Texans>Colts
02-04-2006, 12:23 PM
D'BrickShaw Fegurson

Position: Offensive Tackle
School: Virginia

Status: Senior

Height: 6-5

Weight: 295

40-Yard Dash: 4.85 (est)


Positives:
D'Brickashaw Ferguson is an absolutely incredible athlete for his position. His technique is strongly reminiscent of Walter Jones in that while he isn't a mauling tackle, his footwork and balance are so good that he keeps his man in front of him and keeps his opponent off balance with his long arms and large hands. Should be an almost unmatched pass-blocker after a few years in the NFL with his technique.

Negatives:
Ferguson is slightly undersized, and there are some concerns that his mobility may suffer if he gets much bigger. His current lack of size also lends concerns to his run-blocking ability at the professional level.

Overview:
Ferguson is one of the strongest, most solid tackles in the nation. He has started every game for the Cavaliers over the past three years, earning All-ACC honors in 2004 and several ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week honors over the last three years. He was talked about for months as being a potential first-round draft pick in the 2005 NFL draft, but Ferguson elected to stay with Virginia for his senior season.

Texans>Colts
02-04-2006, 12:23 PM
I was under the impression that he was about 255. I am fairly confident that he is not 220. Safties and RB's weigh that much. I think there was a thread on here a few days ago regarding his weight. It showed his size/weight compared to the top DE's in the league. It also included peek and babin for fun.

Maybe a moderator will look it up??

ok.

AustinJB
02-04-2006, 01:34 PM
I picked Mario/Winston.

I think Winston will be a RT for a year or two which will allow Pitts to stay at LT. Plus, I would rather have Super Mario than Lawson...although both will potentially be great.

TheOgre
02-04-2006, 01:42 PM
To be honest, I'd be excited to get either of these two combinations. The idea of potentially solving our 2 biggest needs (TE being the third issue, but one that can be remedied later in the draft) in one draft would be incredible.

The Preacher
02-04-2006, 04:44 PM
To be honest, I'd be excited to get either of these two combinations. The idea of potentially solving our 2 biggest needs (TE being the third issue, but one that can be remedied later in the draft) in one draft would be incredible.

I agree but if we end up with Winston and he isn't everything some folks thoughts while D'Brick flourished it would be quite frustrating. I guess I think Ferguson is a safer pick so I would have to lean that way but as long as a trade down occurred I would most likely be pleased. Finding your franchise LT seems a lot tougher than finding a great DE so brick/lawson is for me.

Mightymike
02-04-2006, 05:13 PM
Wow.

I went with D'brick and Lawson.

D'brick is far superior to Winston, and fits our blocking scheme better.
Lawson is more athletic than Mario, but is just not as big. Both will be studs. I am predicting now that Lawson gets more sacks if he plays DE than Mario. Lawson is still like 6'5 255 or so. Say he gains 8 lbs of muscle. He is now at 263, that is good for a DE. He is the weakside DE who gets to the QB.

babin's probably going to be weakside

TheOgre
02-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Finding your franchise LT seems a lot tougher than finding a great DE so brick/lawson is for me. Good point.

BuffSoldier
02-04-2006, 07:18 PM
It's likely that any OT we take will be a RT his first year or two. Kubiak might not be willing to put a rookie out there at LT right away. Pitts knows the system, and very well could be the best option at LT until the rookie develops.

I went with the Williams/Winston combo too. Mario Williams would be a great pickup for this defense. It would give us a playmaker at the DE position, and would force opposing coaches to gameplan around him. The difference in talent level between D'Brick & Winston is much less than in Williams & Lawson.

How does Pitts already know the new sytem that Kubiak uses. They all will be starting from scratch, and Ferguson would never be as good a RT as LT... hes just an amazing pass blocker. I picked Ferguson/Lawson because I think Lawson can hae just as many sacks in the NFL as Williams and if he adds a few pounds he can be just as goo stopping the run.. I think that they will have similar carrers I cant say that about Winston... I dont thik that he can hold a candle to Feruson in athleticism, something which cant be taught, he just isnt as good run blocking which, if we get Sherman, will be addressed and he will get stronger.

YoungTexanFan
02-04-2006, 11:16 PM
Lawson is more athletic than Mario. Lawson is 6'5 255ish. Mario is 6'7 280ish. Lawson is faster, and quicker. He is not the complete natural beast Mario is, but he is a tremendous athlete. He does long jump and other track events at NC state. He is a weight room freak.

D'brick is so much more athletic than Winston its not even funny. Winston is a RT prospect for a year or two. Fergueson could start at LT right way, with Pitts moving to RT. Fergueson is a more "sure thing" pick than Winston. He has proved himself for years. He has quick feet, long arms, and good ability to lock on.

but...I could very easily live with Mario/Winston, I would just prefer D'brick/Lawson.

MorKnolle
02-05-2006, 12:32 AM
This is an easy decision for me. I'd rather have Eric Winston than D'Brickashaw anyways. He is a much better run blocker, not as good of a pass blocker but he's comparable, he's still very athletic for an OT, he has a good mean streak which is always nice for OLinemen, and he's a very smart football player. To me D'Brick has great athletic skills but sometimes he seems to get confused fairly easily by defenses, while I think Winston picks up on things much better as he recognizes them sooner and adjusts to them better. Mario is obvioulsy a superior choice to Manny Lawson, so getting my top DE and top OL choice in the same combo is a no-brainer.

Coach C.
02-05-2006, 05:02 AM
Mork, this is a very easy decision. Let me see the best DE in the draft as of right now and the most complete OT prospect right now. I think people tend to forget that Winston was rated higher than Ferguson in 03. A knee injury halted Winston's rise, or he would have came out last year and been in the Top 10 likely to Detroit. Anyway YTF you suprised me with your picks, but hey your opinion right.

YoungTexanFan
02-05-2006, 07:59 AM
Mork, this is a very easy decision. Let me see the best DE in the draft as of right now and the most complete OT prospect right now. I think people tend to forget that Winston was rated higher than Ferguson in 03. A knee injury halted Winston's rise, or he would have came out last year and been in the Top 10 likely to Detroit. Anyway YTF you suprised me with your picks, but hey your opinion right.

Yea, I'm pretty big on D'brick as Winston still looks slow out of his stance, and looks weak with his initial hand punch. He does not appear to glide around laterly like a zone LT should. He does seal off very well, and can keep his man away. Fergueson just does all of that better. Mork, I know you love Winston, but he has a much higher chance for bust than fergueson just because of his major injury. Do I think he will recover and become above the league average? Yes.

I'm also pretty big on Lawson. I am extremely big on Mario. However, the best pass protection is more important to me than the equivelant pass rush. Mario is a beast. Lawson is more athleticly gifted who is going to be a top 10 sack guy in the league each year. Mario will do great also, probally getting his sacks too. I just think that the drop off between Mario and Lawson is not quite that extreme. It is there, but not as much as between Fergueson and Winston.

MorKnolle
02-05-2006, 10:23 AM
Lawson is more athletic than Mario. Lawson is 6'5 255ish. Mario is 6'7 280ish. Lawson is faster, and quicker. He is not the complete natural beast Mario is, but he is a tremendous athlete. He does long jump and other track events at NC state. He is a weight room freak.

D'brick is so much more athletic than Winston its not even funny. Winston is a RT prospect for a year or two. Fergueson could start at LT right way, with Pitts moving to RT. Fergueson is a more "sure thing" pick than Winston. He has proved himself for years. He has quick feet, long arms, and good ability to lock on.

but...I could very easily live with Mario/Winston, I would just prefer D'brick/Lawson.

FYI,
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=18046
Manny Lawson was weighed in at 6'5" 240 lbs. at the Senior Bowl two weeks ago. He should be able to gain some weight, but that is going to start taking away from his athleticism.

Corrosion
02-05-2006, 10:48 AM
Winston does not really fit our scheme. He is not going to be as quick as we need. He would be a RT his first year or two.


I have seen at least 50 references to "Our blocking scheme" since Kubiak was hired ... Im not so sure that the Texans will run a zone blocking scheme next season .....There has been no mention of it yet ..... According to houstontexans.com they dont even have an OL coach yet ...... Its somewhat difficult to assume that they will continue this blocking scheme at this point.:twocents:


I chose WIlliams/Winston .....

MorKnolle
02-05-2006, 10:52 AM
I have seen at least 50 references to "Our blocking scheme" since Kubiak was hired ... Im not so sure that the Texans will run a zone blocking scheme next season .....There has been no mention of it yet ..... According to houstontexans.com they dont even have an OL coach yet ...... Its somewhat difficult to assume that they will continue this blocking scheme at this point.:twocents:


I chose WIlliams/Winston .....

Zone blocking scheme is more of a decision for the head coach, and considering that Kubiak ran zone blocking for the last 11 years and Denver and they were the #1 offense in terms of total yards, rushing yards, and offensive TDs over that time period, I'm pretty sure we will keep running a zone blocking scheme.