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houstonhurricane
02-03-2006, 08:18 AM
Machine,

Can you post updates on Casserly's discussion...? Thanks in advance.

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:21 AM
Nothing of note so far......

They have 2 strategies in free agency .....

1) If a new CBA is put in place (higher cap, more money for the players, Texans will tend to be more active)

2) If a new CBA is not in place (lower cap, less money for players, Texans will tend to be less active)

Sportsfan
02-03-2006, 08:24 AM
Anyone catch Casserly on 610 this morning?
Did he say anything of value or just his usual stock babble?

BREAZE
02-03-2006, 08:27 AM
I missed his Charlie Bown's teacher impersonation again?

Kaiser Toro
02-03-2006, 08:30 AM
Nothing of note so far......

They have 2 strategies in free agency .....

1) If a new CBA is put in place (higher cap, more money for the players, Texans will tend to be more active)

2) If a new CBA is not in place (lower cap, less money for players, Texans will tend to be less active)

I have my own thoughts, but would be interested to see his explanation on both. Did you catch any details or was it just a high level view?

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:32 AM
I have my own thoughts, but would be interested to see his explanation on both. Did you catch any details or was it just a high level view?


says that talks have begun among the coaches about what positions to target but he can't talk about specific players until March

cadahnic
02-03-2006, 08:32 AM
KT I think we are having the same thought on this issue, but right now it seems he is talking SB and was a high level view. I like the idea that he is letting the coaches do their work and hopefully we build a team with Kubiak's identitiy.

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:37 AM
Lance asked about the lack of identities for the Texans offense and defense in recent years ...

CC says that Kubiak could answer better but the Texans offense will most likely resemble Denver's offense ..

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:38 AM
2nd segment is over ... no new info .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:48 AM
asked about sigining Terrell Owens and drafting VY and David Thomas in the 2nd round and spreading the field ... caller said we'd average 35 points a game ...

CC can't talk about Owens but said they're interested in acquiring a pass receiving TE ....

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:50 AM
asked about Carr having to learn a new system and slowing his progress ...

CC says no, he has offseason to learn it, Carr's smart, learning curve will be faster with him than with a new player

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:55 AM
caller comparing Carr to Boller .... 1st round picks, lack of toughness, lack of leadership, compared VY to Carr, says VY has more talent, (it's a backdoor DRAFT VY call) ...

CC says Carr threw for 500+ yards against Michigan State is his last college game, says that defense was as good as USC's defense, says both are talented but the decision will focus on the Texan's need

chuckm
02-03-2006, 08:57 AM
end of 3rd segment ....

Big B Texan Fan
02-03-2006, 09:02 AM
There he goes again:
You can have Carr and Bush or Young and X. Is the writing on the wall and DD is a goner already.

I hate it when he says that. Why doesn't he just say it. "Hey guys, were drafting Bush so no need in offering us a trade scenario, we're good". Geez, I'm glad this is his last show on 610. Every time I hear his voice it reminds me how he has bungled 15 2nd and 3rd round pix and all he has to show for it is Pitts.

chuckm
02-03-2006, 09:03 AM
says he's thinks Pittsburgh will win SB based on talent but Polamalu's ankle could be a factor

chuckm
02-03-2006, 09:05 AM
that's it .... 4th segment was all SB talk ...

Sportsfan
02-03-2006, 09:54 AM
thanks for the play-by-play chuck.

Jack Bauer
02-03-2006, 10:03 AM
There he goes again:
You can have Carr and Bush or Young and X. Is the writing on the wall and DD is a goner already.

I hate it when he says that. Why doesn't he just say it. "Hey guys, were drafting Bush so no need in offering us a trade scenario, we're good". Geez, I'm glad this is his last show on 610. Every time I hear his voice it reminds me how he has bungled 15 2nd and 3rd round pix and all he has to show for it is Pitts.

He doesn't say what you recommended because you don't know what is going on in the background with other teams. There is still a possibility we trade the pick.

Again, I blame Capers and company for most of the 2nd and third round blunders. By the way, I am not unhappy with Gaffney and Peek. They will show this year they are GOOD NFL players.

TexanAddict
02-03-2006, 10:16 AM
There he goes again:
You can have Carr and Bush or Young and X. Is the writing on the wall and DD is a goner already.

I actually think if he said they would focus on need, this is in essence saying we will not draft Young because it doesn't fall in that category, but it is also not an acknowledgment that we intend to draft Bush because that position is not a pressing need either. If anything the need positions for this team fall along the O-line and Defensive side of the ball, which would fit a trade down scenario.
:hmmm:

The Preacher
02-03-2006, 10:20 AM
[ Every time I hear his voice it reminds me how he has bungled 15 2nd and 3rd round pix and all he has to show for it is Pitts.[/QUOTE]

The truth speaks for itself he simply hasn't done a good job. This is where teams are built and because of this it's really hard to believe he is still employed. You can't call it bad luck when things go bad this consistently. Sometimes it happens to people who know their stuff but how long before you cut bait?

tulexan
02-03-2006, 10:21 AM
I think that a playmaker is a need of the Texans.

MorKnolle
02-03-2006, 10:50 AM
caller comparing Carr to Boller .... 1st round picks, lack of toughness, lack of leadership, compared VY to Carr, says VY has more talent, (it's a backdoor DRAFT VY call) ...

CC says Carr threw for 500+ yards against Michigan State is his last college game, says that defense was as good as USC's defense, says both are talented but the decision will focus on the Texan's need

I didn't catch this part of the show, but I heard the caller said Vince right now is already a top 10 QB in the NFL and better than guys like Roethlisberger and that he somehow has a better arm than Carr, and Casserly said something to the effect of "well everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it's wrong/crazy"

MorKnolle
02-03-2006, 10:56 AM
Every time I hear his voice it reminds me how he has bungled 15 2nd and 3rd round pix and all he has to show for it is Pitts.
The truth speaks for itself he simply hasn't done a good job. This is where teams are built and because of this it's really hard to believe he is still employed. You can't call it bad luck when things go bad this consistently. Sometimes it happens to people who know their stuff but how long before you cut bait?

I have heard from a couple people I know within the organization that Casserly actually has very little say in who they draft, and that the last four years it was basically dictated by Capers' staff, thus many of the bad picks came from recommendations by the position coaches that are now unemployed or by the coordinators that are similarly unemployed.

Aside from that, I did catch a lot of the earlier part of the show, he said they are indeed transitioning to a 4-3 defense, but whether that completely happens this year given their personnel is yet to be determined, they might run a hybrid 3-4, 4-3 mix, which would be fine with me if they do it properly. We'll definitely still have the DLinemen to play a 3-4, so I would be interested to see if they can come up with some kind of system that switches back and forth between the two to give opposing offenses varying looks, and if one system works particularly well against a certain team then they will run primarily that system against them. That could work out to be nice if they can run it properly.
Casserly also said right now the coaches are focusing on completing the rest of the coaching staff and then going over tape on our guys to evaluate the talent that we currently have to see what positions they think we need help at, and the scouts/Cass are working over scouting tapes of possible free agents and the coaches will start getting in on that in a week or so when they have a better idea of what positions they're looking for, and after another week or two they'll start looking more heavily at the whole draft.

bigTEXan8
02-03-2006, 11:37 AM
I have heard from a couple people I know within the organization that Casserly actually has very little say in who they draft, and that the last four years it was basically dictated by Capers' staff, thus many of the bad picks came from recommendations by the position coaches that are now unemployed or by the coordinators that are similarly unemployed.


That's quite interesting, provided it's true. I'm not knocking your source, just being cautious before I judge Cass. I jumped to conclusions earlier about Cass, but then I realized how little I actually knew about him and his working's within the organization. I hope, for Cass' sake, that your sources are right.

chuckm
02-03-2006, 11:45 AM
That's quite interesting, provided it's true. I'm not knocking your source, just being cautious before I judge Cass. I jumped to conclusions earlier about Cass, but then I realized how little I actually knew about him and his working's within the organization. I hope, for Cass' sake, that your sources are right.


I heard the same thing but I have no "real" source ... I think I heard it on 610 so take that it for what it's worth ... they were discussing Babin I believe ....

TEXANFAN23435
02-03-2006, 01:24 PM
Seriously, how many posters think we honestly need the #1 pick??? We could really stock up on draft picks if CC and company played their cards right. With Cutlers arrival on the scene as a hot commodity this truely couldn't have played out better than if you dreamed it. It seems this draft is now 4 deep at the can't miss draft pick: 1-RB; 2-ML; 3-VY; 4-JC.

If we market that #1 pick, serious bidders will step up. I'm going to throw some scenerios out there:

1. Would the NYJ truely be interested in moving up to secure the QB they want or do they live with the option that VY or JC will be acceptable at the #4 pick?
A. I think the NYJ are a viable trade partner because we are moving the pick and ML, who they really want will be gone by the 4th pick. If this were to happen, I think we can get the #4 pick, R3 and R5 this year plus next years R1 and R5 for our #1 and R4 picks this year.
If we swap with the NYJ, I think we can move out of the #4 and still get the players we need to fix this team. VY or JC would be the QB available at the #4 pick. Would Det.(#9 pick) view either as worthy enough to move up and get. Same would go for Ariz. at #10? A move with either team would get us a 4 for 1 in picks. This years #1 and next years #1 in my book and whatever 2 picks go with that move.

2. Could GB (#5 pick), SF (#7 pick) desire RB so much that they're willing to payup to get him. This swap would have to be a 5 for 1. we get 3 picks this year and 2 next year. I think there is a strong possibilty come draft day. If we choose to drop ourselves to the #5 or 7 pick the players we desire should still be available on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball.

3. Oak. (#6 pick) could also be a player in the RB sweepstakes but they wouldn't need him as bad as others, therefore the offer would be weak.

4. If Det (#9 pick) or Ariz. (#10) who are both desperately looking into getting a QB were to swap for our #1 pick it would cost dearly. I think both teams only make this move to secure ML. The question would be, do we get what we need at the #9 or 10 spot? If either team comes inquiring before draft day, I start talking to Arizona. They got what I really want. Would we be willing to move back to #10 if they're willing to include WR-Anquan Boldin, their #10 pick and a R3 this year plus their R2 pick next year. Would Ariz. move on this to secure ML? Would our team be better with AJ and AB as bookend WR's? or if the Lions make the move, would they part ways with WR Roy Williams in order to reunite Mike Williams and ML? Could we live with RW and AJ as bookend receivers. I know this trade would be much more difficult now that the other 2 WR's look shakey. Maybe, we could sweeten the pot by throwing Bradford in the deal.

Just some scenerios, anyone else have any ideas? This is not a draft VY or RB post. I think everyone associated with the Texans has made it clear by now, that they're sticking with Carr. Behind the scenes, I think there is a big debate going on about RB and whether he truely makes the difference in this team or is trading down for picks / player and picks make the best sense.

Double Barrel
02-03-2006, 01:38 PM
I heard the same thing but I have no "real" source ... I think I heard it on 610 so take that it for what it's worth ... they were discussing Babin I believe ....

I've heard this idea - Casserly being a pushover to his HC's choices - for awhile. That reputation came from his Redskins days.

I don't have any "inside" sources, either...just the usual talking heads like McClain, Pallilo, etc., and even ESPN analysts.

It could be pure speculation, but sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire.

tulexan
02-03-2006, 01:45 PM
I don't think that Jay Cutler is considered a can't miss pick.

First of all, there is no such thing as a can't miss pick, but if there were, then the Big 3 (Bush, Leinart, Young) are the real can't miss picks with D'Brick in a class by himself below them. After that, you have the rest of the draft.

TEXANFAN23435
02-03-2006, 02:10 PM
I agree but it just seems everyone has gone nuts about this guy after the Senior Bowl workouts. Mel Kiper mentioned on ESPN Radio that Cutler may have moved ahead of VY over this past weeks workouts. It's crazy, I know but for teams really needing a QB this has to be good news. If his combine grades out like his Senior Bowl practices he will easily move into the top 4 or 5 picks. DR/CC and crew really need to manage this draft.

The Preacher
02-03-2006, 02:34 PM
[QUOTE=MorKnolle]I have heard from a couple people I know within the organization that Casserly actually has very little say in who they draft, and that the last four years it was basically dictated by Capers' staff, thus many of the bad picks came from recommendations by the position coaches that are now unemployed or by the coordinators that are similarly unemployed.

I have no idea what goes on within the organization but I see it like this. If I had a stock broker who lost a fat % of my portfolio because he listened to his guys down in the research dept who had their MBA's but couldn't pick a winner for squat, I surely wouldn't let him continue to lose money for me for years on end while thinking, "this guy really is doing a horrible job but it's not his fault because he just listens to the recommendations of his research department. And anyway he has picked a couple of winners so I haven't lost all my money, just most of it. I guess I'll keep him." No, I would hold my broker ultimately responsible because he pulls the trigger and to keep him indefinitely to me seems foolish. Maybe he could do a better job with better researchers but do you leave the ultimate decision making to someone who struggles to decipher a good idea from a bad one?

MorKnolle
02-03-2006, 03:15 PM
I have no idea what goes on within the organization but I see it like this. If I had a stock broker who lost a fat % of my portfolio because he listened to his guys down in the research dept who had their MBA's but couldn't pick a winner for squat, I surely wouldn't let him continue to lose money for me for years on end while thinking, "this guy really is doing a horrible job but it's not his fault because he just listens to the recommendations of his research department. And anyway he has picked a couple of winners so I haven't lost all my money, just most of it. I guess I'll keep him." No, I would hold my broker ultimately responsible because he pulls the trigger and to keep him indefinitely to me seems foolish. Maybe he could do a better job with better researchers but do you leave the ultimate decision making to someone who struggles to decipher a good idea from a bad one?

You have an interesting point, but at the same time the Head Coach is the one who has to coach the players and get them to fit his system, so in the end it should largely be his choice who he wants to have drafted/signed/traded forin order to build the type of team that he is trying to coach. A GM is just in charge of overseeing the direction of the team, overseeing all the football operations aspect of the team, and being in charge of the scouting department/contract negotiations in order to bring the appropriate people in. The coaches should tell the GM/scouts what type of players they are wanting, the scouts/GM should go out and put together scouting tapes on guys they think fill the desired role, and then the coaches should look at those guys and decide who they want, the GM shouldn't override their decisions and go with his own picks and force the coach to live with it and work the guys into his system. My problem with Casserly has mainly been in contract negotiations as they have overpaid several players, the rest of the personnel decisions have mainly been from the coaches, and unfortunately I think Capers allowed his coordinators and position coaches to have too big of a say in what players they should get, who should play, and what plays to call. Several of his assistants and his coordinators seemed to be pretty incompetent, and all of those have lost their jobs and likely will not find new ones, so my main problem with Capers was giving too much control to his assistants, and my main problem with Casserly was paying some guys way too much money.

cadahnic
02-03-2006, 03:18 PM
Think of Bill Parcells quote, If they expect me to bake the cake, I might as well be able to pick the ingredients. Think he was with the Jets when he said this.

Big B Texan Fan
02-03-2006, 04:31 PM
Cutlers stock is way up but remember, Young, Leinert, Troy Smith and others were not there. So naturally he's the hot topic when there's not much to talk about as well as all the guys who want the credit when Cutler makes it big in the NFL. I like him but I still think he'll be the 3rd QB taken in the draft.

Trade scenario I like:
(I've mentioned this several times so sorry for those who have read it before)
Texans swap spots w/Titans so they can take Leinert #1 (Steinberg as agent who Bud Adams knows well and respects) and reunite Norm Chow with Leinert.
We get their #3 overall of course as well as their 2nd rd'r and next years 1st
or
We get their #3 overall of course as well as their 2nd rd'r and 3rd rd'r and 4th rd'r this year as well as their 2nd rd'r and 3rd rd'r next year.

Two different camps will be happy (The VY Camp and the Trade Down Camp). 2 out of 3 ain't bad. That is unless some of the trade camp wants to trade down to avoid VY.

Even if then the Saints trade out of their #2 since Leinert is gone I still that the suitor to take that pick will be after Bush which leaves VY for us.

kevlar_h
02-03-2006, 11:35 PM
Would we be willing to move back to #10 if they're willing to include WR-Anquan Boldin, their #10 pick and a R3 this year plus their R2 pick next year. Would Ariz. move on this to secure ML? Would our team be better with AJ and AB as bookend WR's? or if the Lions make the move, would they part ways with WR Roy Williams in order to reunite Mike Williams and ML? Could we live with RW and AJ as bookend receivers. I know this trade would be much more difficult now that the other 2 WR's look shakey. Maybe, we could sweeten the pot by throwing Bradford in the deal.


Interesting thoughts Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald would all 3 be amazing compliments to AJ, but those scenarios are juge stretches. Those players are way too valuable to their teams. It won't happen.

I do agree with 1 thing you said in that scenario though, we should get rid of Bradford. Maybe we could trade him for a 1st class towel boy or something.

kevlar_h
02-03-2006, 11:48 PM
Texans swap spots w/Titans so they can take Leinert #1 (Steinberg as agent who Bud Adams knows well and respects) and reunite Norm Chow with Leinert.
We get their #3 overall of course as well as their 2nd rd'r and next years 1st
or
We get their #3 overall of course as well as their 2nd rd'r and 3rd rd'r and 4th rd'r this year as well as their 2nd rd'r and 3rd rd'r next year.

Wow....the #1 over all is worth all that? The Titans probably wouldn't give up anything to move up 2 spots. Bush should go #1 or #2 which will leave either Leinert or Young at #3. McNair is Young's mentor and Leinert is a Chow protege. They'll be pleased as punch with whichever one falls to them.

nunusguy
02-04-2006, 07:15 AM
David Thomas in the 2nd round
Whoever the Longhorn is who raised this subject, you just better hope your boy is drafted in the second day and does not end up an undrafted FA - you're smoking the good stuff if you think he's got a prayer of going in round 2.

Coach C.
02-04-2006, 08:31 AM
nunusguy if David Thomas runs a 4.4 40 and throws up 30+ in the bench at 260 then he has a shot. Since that is not about to happen he is likely going to be available in the 4th or 5th.

keyfro
02-04-2006, 10:27 AM
the thing with david thomas is he looks like he is more suited for the H-back role...similar to what chris cooley is for washington...he doesn't really have the size to be a full-time tight end in the league imo

PapaL
02-04-2006, 10:36 AM
Having a stickpile of picks is great and all, EXCEPT come time to sign them and having the funds to sign them. With all the issues with the NFLPA and a possible lockout/strike looming, getting one superstar this year is not a bad thing.
Think of this, there is no football for the 2007-2008 season, highly doubtful - but worse has happened. Now all those guys that were suppose to be drafted that year are now thrown into the next draft year (08-09). Making that year a very deep draft regardless of who is in it. You would have 2 years worth of talent in it.

travfrancis
02-04-2006, 12:40 PM
ah nunusguy, always there to put those pesky longhorns in their place huh?
its like you patrol these message boards with a big stick, poking your head in every thread looking for a longhorn player - related post to attack. a lot of anger in you.

TEXANFAN23435
02-04-2006, 05:31 PM
You know, David Thomas as an H-Back is not a bad idea. It's a dirty job but I wonder if he has the potential to make it shine like Winslow did in SD. Yes, I know Winslow was classified as a TE but he did do a lot of work as an H-Back. I'm a A&M fan but this kid really impressed me, great hands and no fear catching short and over the middle where the LB's roam. I would like to see him slip to the 3rd round where we have the extra pick. He would be worth it.

LoneStarState
02-04-2006, 11:25 PM
Having a stickpile of picks is great and all, EXCEPT come time to sign them and having the funds to sign them. With all the issues with the NFLPA and a possible lockout/strike looming, getting one superstar this year is not a bad thing.
I'm glad someone FINALLY mentioned this!!!

TEXANFAN23435
02-05-2006, 12:14 AM
It's called posturing, there will be no lockout!!! This money machine has out grown the humans trying to control it. Just way too much money to lose.