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Corrosion
02-01-2006, 10:39 AM
Looking at the top 10 rated QB's in the NFL , 7 of these QB's took their teams to the play-offs and two others posted 9-7 or better records (Chargers Drew Brees 10-6 and Chiefs Trent Green). The other in the top 10 was Marc Bulger who played in only 8 games and the only team w/ a top 10 rated passer to have a losing record (6-10)

The interesting thing here is the direct corelation between pass protection , quarterback effeciency and making the play-offs ...

..............................Rating..........Sack s
1) Peyton Manning.....104.1 ...........20
2) Carson Palmer........101.1 ............19
3) Ben Roethlisberger...98.6 ............23 (12 games)((9-3)
4) Matt Hasselbeck......98.2 ............24
5) Marc Bulger.............94.4.............26 (8 games)((2-6))
6) Tom Brady..............92.3 .............26
7) Jake Plummer..........90.2 ............22
8) Trent Green............90.1 ............32 (9-7 no play-offs)
9) Byron Leftwich........89.3 ............23 (11 games)((8-3))
10) Drew Brees............89.2 ............27 (10-6 no play-offs)

Is it any wonder two of these QB's are going to be playing in SuperBowl XL ?

Compare those to the Qb's who were sacked the most

.................................Rating........... Sacks.....Team Total.............Record

1) David Carr.................77.2...............68........ ..68......................2-14
2a) Daunte Culpepper......72.0...............31..........54.. .....................2-5
2b)Brad Johnson.............88.9...............23........5 4........................7-2
3) Brooks Bollinger (NYJ)..72.9...............32...........53......... .............1-6
4)Alex Smith..................40.8...............29...... .....48......................2-6

This shows the importance of pass protection to a teams overall success .

We know where the problem starts , now it MUST be fixxed ! :stirpot:

infantrycak
02-01-2006, 10:50 AM
Compare those to the Qb's who were sacked the most

You could add in:

Drew Bledsoe 49 sacks, 83.7 QB rating, 9-7
Kerry Collins 39 sacks (15 games), 77.3 QB rating, 4-11
Aaron Brooks 33 sacks (13 games), 70 QB rating, 3-10
Michael Vick 33 sacks (15 games), 73.1 QB rating, 8-7

Only 2 of the top 16 most sacked QB's had a rating over 90 and in both cases, just over--Trent Green 90.1 and Tom Brady 92.3.

Corrosion
02-01-2006, 10:52 AM
You could add in:

Drew Bledsoe 49 sacks, 83.7 QB rating, 9-7
Kerry Collins 39 sacks (15 games), 77.3 QB rating, 4-11
Aaron Brooks 33 sacks (13 games), 70 QB rating, 3-10
Michael Vick 33 sacks (15 games), 73.1 QB rating, 8-7


I got lazy .... point was already made :cool:

Sportsfan
02-01-2006, 10:59 AM
:deadhorse

cadahnic
02-01-2006, 11:03 AM
This also shows the growth of David Carr in his ability to maintain a relatively average rating eventhough he was on his back most of the time.

bigTEXan8
02-01-2006, 11:06 AM
:deadhorse

I second that, but it's nice to see the #'s.

infantrycak
02-01-2006, 11:10 AM
A little better way to look at it IMO is passing attempts per sack.

Top end guys:

Manning 26.6--104.1 rating
Palmer 26.7--101.1
Big Ben 11.6--98.6
Hasselbeck 18.7--98.2
Brady 20.3--92.3
Plummer 20.7--90.2

Averages 20.8 passing attempts per sack--97.5 QB rating. (Big Ben really stands out here as being pressured more and performing well under pressure.)

Top sacked guys:

Carr 6.2--77.2
Bledsoe 10.2--83.7
Collins 14.5--77.3
Brooks 13--70
Vick 11.7--73.1
Green 15.8--90.1

Averages 11.9 passing attempts per sack--78.6 QB rating.

There are certainly chicken and egg arguments to be made, but FWIW.

Double Barrel
02-01-2006, 11:18 AM
It's no surprise to see a direct correlation between passing attempts and sacks as they translate to success. One of the reasons I cut Carr a little slack is simply due to the fact that no QB can make plays on his butt or running from constant pressure. I'd honestly like to see what he's capable of behind consistent pass protection. It's the only way we can know for sure that he's got it or not.

Corrosion
02-01-2006, 11:23 AM
A little better way to look at it IMO is passing attempts per sack.

Top end guys:

Manning 26.6--104.1 rating
Palmer 26.7--101.1
Big Ben 11.6--98.6
Hasselbeck 18.7--98.2
Brady 20.3--92.3
Plummer 20.7--90.2

Averages 20.8 passing attempts per sack--97.5 QB rating. (Big Ben really stands out here as being pressured more and performing well under pressure.)

Top sacked guys:

Carr 6.2--77.2
Bledsoe 10.2--83.7
Collins 14.5--77.3
Brooks 13--70
Vick 11.7--73.1
Green 15.8--90.1

Averages 11.9 passing attempts per sack--78.6 QB rating.

There are certainly chicken and egg arguments to be made, but FWIW.


What sticks out here to me is the same as above .... Group A were all play-off QB's , Group B ..... none of them made the post season .

ANd I have to agree , Ben's QB rating looks all the more impressive when you figure sacks per attempt .

infantrycak
02-01-2006, 11:33 AM
ANd I have to agree , Ben's QB rating looks all the more impressive when you figure sacks per attempt .

His composure must come from the sedate life he leads working out and studying game film...or

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/firstbenpicture.jpg

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/fifthbenpicture.jpg

Jack Bauer
02-01-2006, 11:35 AM
Based on that pic above, I would say that Big Ben could get ticketed for PI and should be cut from the Steelers ASAP! :jk: (referencing the posts on K. Shanahan)

Kaiser Toro
02-01-2006, 11:50 AM
I was in Pittsburgh for the Steelers/Bears game and Ben came into the restaurant that many of the Steelers frequent after home games. He was with his boys and were about to sit down when he saw Bettis roll up in his car. Ben was like the kid he is was begging Bettis to sit in with he and his friends.

The kid is loved in Pittsburgh as many young ladies had there Ben on (#7 jersey). This is the character that he is and apparently something that Steelers fans are endeared to.

Shanahan's arrest record and Ben's citizen citation here are two different things.

Jack Bauer
02-01-2006, 11:53 AM
Shanahan's arrest record and Ben's citizen citation here are two different things.

Note the :jk: next to my statement...

Kaiser Toro
02-01-2006, 11:54 AM
Note the :jk: next to my statement...

I did. Please believe me I am not after you, this ain't a 24 episode. :)

Jack Bauer
02-01-2006, 11:55 AM
I did. Please believe me I am not after you, this ain't a 24 episode. :)

lol:

michaelm
02-01-2006, 12:45 PM
Looking at the top 10 rated QB's in the NFL , 7 of these QB's took their teams to the play-offs and two others posted 9-7 or better records (Chargers Drew Brees 10-6 and Chiefs Trent Green). The other in the top 10 was Marc Bulger who played in only 8 games and the only team w/ a top 10 rated passer to have a losing record (6-10)

The interesting thing here is the direct corelation between pass protection , quarterback effeciency and making the play-offs ...

..............................Rating..........Sack s
1) Peyton Manning.....104.1 ...........20
2) Carson Palmer........101.1 ............19
3) Ben Roethlisberger...98.6 ............23 (12 games)((9-3)
4) Matt Hasselbeck......98.2 ............24
5) Marc Bulger.............94.4.............26 (8 games)((2-6))
6) Tom Brady..............92.3 .............26
7) Jake Plummer..........90.2 ............22
8) Trent Green............90.1 ............32 (9-7 no play-offs)
9) Byron Leftwich........89.3 ............23 (11 games)((8-3))
10) Drew Brees............89.2 ............27 (10-6 no play-offs)

Is it any wonder two of these QB's are going to be playing in SuperBowl XL ?

Compare those to the Qb's who were sacked the most

.................................Rating........... Sacks.....Team Total.............Record

1) David Carr.................77.2...............68........ ..68......................2-14
2a) Daunte Culpepper......72.0...............31..........54.. .....................2-5
2b)Brad Johnson.............88.9...............23........5 4........................7-2
3) Brooks Bollinger (NYJ)..72.9...............32...........53......... .............1-6
4)Alex Smith..................40.8...............29...... .....48......................2-6

This shows the importance of pass protection to a teams overall success .

We know where the problem starts , now it MUST be fixxed ! :stirpot:


I'm too lazy to do the numbers, but I'd like to see the correlation between these guys and their running games. It looks like almost all of the QBs in the first group have above average running games to support them, and many have running games that are the top ones in the league.

HoustonFrog
02-01-2006, 12:57 PM
I like how Bledsoe was conveniently left off the original most sacked list. He was the second most sacked QB and somehow, with that passer rating, had a pretty darn good year and got the team to 9-7. Its all how you deal with the pressure. But the stats are telling as to winning QBS. Ryan Leaf is big, strong, was surrounded by bad teams and all. Maybe he got a raw deal too and is really Joe Montana. Lets bring him back. :)

Corrosion
02-01-2006, 04:41 PM
I'm too lazy to do the numbers, but I'd like to see the correlation between these guys and their running games. It looks like almost all of the QBs in the first group have above average running games to support them, and many have running games that are the top ones in the league.


Here ya go .... Each TEAM's avg per carry

Group A ....
....Team............avg.......NFL rank
1) Colts.............3.7.......24th
2) Bengals ........4.2.......10th
3) Pittsburgh .....4.0.......12th
4) Seattle .........4.7........3rd
5) St.Louis ........4.0.......15th
6) New England ..3.4.......29th
7) Denver ..........4.7.......2nd
8) Kansas City ....4.6.......5th
9) Jacksonville ....3.9.......16th
10) San Deigo .....4.5.......6th

Group B ...
1) Texans ............4.2......11th
2) Minnesota........ 3.9......18th
3) NY Jets ............3.5.....28th
4) San Francisco .. 3.9.....17th
5) Dallas ..............3.6.....25th
6) Oakland............3.8.....23rd
7) Atlanta ............4.8......1st

I added in those teams infantrycak mentioned as well

The top group does have 3 of the top 5 rushing teams but they also have some avg and below avg rushing teams . The Colts being 24th was somewhat of a surprise to me .
Then you have the Top rushing team in the NFL in Group B ..... The rest of which are avg or below .


:deadhorse


Sportsfan Im sorry this thread wasnt interesting to you .... But I just couldnt make myself start another Reggie / Vince thread .... That would just be overkill . I was just pointing out the numbers and how they add up ....If you dont have anything to add .... dont bother to waste space .... I already use my scroll wheel enough as it is .