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Andevine
01-31-2006, 12:58 PM
We need Vincent Young he is a leader we need a leader, Carr has had his chance, we have Davis who can rush for 1000 yards we don't need Bush besides what do you people think an NFL defense is going to do to him ??? The Longhorn defense stopped him and their defense was the toughest USC faced all season we do not need bush....we will get lineman we don't need to trade our # 1 pick for one that would be stupid, passing on Young would be like passing up Michael Jordan, he is going to be a supertstar, and it disgust me to think once again the Texans are going to disappoint me with draft...last year we could have had Derrick Johnson but NO we are stupid and passed him up .....this was a HUGE mistake.....hopefully we don't make another one this year......

Spoda
01-31-2006, 01:04 PM
we also need vince because think about how sweet it would be when he cures cancer while throwing a 99 yd touchdown pass to himself without being touched in a texans uniform...while lowering ticket prices and fixing the traffic problem....man that's gonna be sweet

kastofsna
01-31-2006, 01:16 PM
texas a&m's defense stopped vince young. the 117th ranked defense in the country, in fact. and bush wasn't stopped by the longhorns. he had several huge plays and a TD. the fact that that performance is considering being "stopped" means the rest of his games must've been amazing

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 01:21 PM
We need Vincent Young he is a leader we need a leader, Carr has had his chance, we have Davis who can rush for 1000 yards we don't need Bush besides what do you people think an NFL defense is going to do to him ??? The Longhorn defense stopped him and their defense was the toughest USC faced all season we do not need bush....we will get lineman we don't need to trade our # 1 pick for one that would be stupid, passing on Young would be like passing up Michael Jordan, he is going to be a supertstar, and it disgust me to think once again the Texans are going to disappoint me with draft...last year we could have had Derrick Johnson but NO we are stupid and passed him up .....this was a HUGE mistake.....hopefully we don't make another one this year......

Lets see:

No puncuation...check
No capitalization...check
VY man crush...check
DJ reference...check
Preceived lack of college football knowledge...check
Inability to use the search function...check
Join date Jan. 2006...check
Post count of 1...check

Good, somebody who won't be here after April. Untill then...:brickwall

jaayteetx
01-31-2006, 01:21 PM
God I can't wait for the draft to come and go already! I am a longhorn fan, but all you VY supporters are making it hard for me to hope he has a good NFL career. No matter who we draft, unless he goes on to be the next coming of God himself, and VY has even a decent NFL career, we'll be hearing about it on these message boards forever! Also, all of you so-called "fans" that say if we don't draft VY your gone, we'll see ya! Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya! Make it that much easier for me to get tickets when I'm in town. For what it's worth, I'm in the win-win-win camp. I don't think we can go wrong here. Go Texans!:fans:

jerek
01-31-2006, 01:28 PM
Lets see:

No puncuation...check
No capitalization...check
VY man crush...check
DJ reference...check
Preceived lack of college football knowledge...check

Good, somebody who won't be here after April. Untill then...:brickwall

I second that motion.

thunderkyss
01-31-2006, 01:33 PM
God I can't wait for the draft to come and go already! I am a longhorn fan, but all you VY supporters are making it hard for me to hope he has a good NFL career. No matter who we draft, unless he goes on to be the next coming of God himself, and VY has even a decent NFL career, we'll be hearing about it on these message boards forever! Also, all of you so-called "fans" that say if we don't draft VY your gone, we'll see ya! Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya! Make it that much easier for me to get tickets when I'm in town. For what it's worth, I'm in the win-win-win camp. I don't think we can go wrong here. Go Texans!:fans:


Just out of curiosity........... do you make these same replies in the pro Bush threads??

cap1
01-31-2006, 01:36 PM
Lets see:

No puncuation...check
No capitalization...check
VY man crush...check
DJ reference...check
Preceived lack of college football knowledge...check
Inability to use the search function...check

Good, somebody who won't be here after April. Untill then...:brickwall

Hoth, great response. I don't even know why I keep opening up these threads like this.

Spoda
01-31-2006, 01:40 PM
i just open them to see what great feat vince has accomplished...i heard he was cloning himself so he could play LT for us

swtbound07
01-31-2006, 01:44 PM
Lets see:

No puncuation...check
No capitalization...check
VY man crush...check
DJ reference...check
Preceived lack of college football knowledge...check
Inability to use the search function...check

Good, somebody who won't be here after April. Untill then...:brickwall


you also forgot.....join date=january 2006....check.
post count=1 check.

and on a side note, vince young can still eat a rubix cube and poop it out solved

jerek
01-31-2006, 01:47 PM
Just out of curiosity........... do you make these same replies in the pro Bush threads??

Key difference being we are still seeing an average of three new draft Young threads per day, most of them similarly poorly written and offering just about nothing new or of substance to the reader but a pair of crossed eyes by the time he/she has finished traversing so many sentences without the presence of a single period.

I hated the BUSH IS DA MAN!! x 10 / day disease when it infested this board as well. It's just that now, we have rid ourselves of one just to be hit by another strain.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 01:50 PM
you also forgot.....join date=january 2006....check.
post count=1 check.

and on a side note, vince young can still eat a rubix cube and poop it out solved

Damnit, I knew I missed something.

Time to edit.

cap1
01-31-2006, 01:53 PM
Key difference being we are still seeing an average of three new draft Young threads per day, most of them similarly poorly written and offering just about nothing new or of substance to the reader but a pair of crossed eyes by the time he/she has finished traversing so many sentences without the presence of a single period.

I hated the BUSH IS DA MAN!! x 10 / day disease when it infested this board as well. It's just that now, we have rid ourselves of one just to be hit by another strain.

Could not have said it better myself.

We should make a betting pool for what the next new big thing or player will be on here.

eclem5
01-31-2006, 01:57 PM
Lets see:

No puncuation...check
No capitalization...check
VY man crush...check
DJ reference...check
Preceived lack of college football knowledge...check
Inability to use the search function...check
Join date Jan. 2006...check
Post count of 1...check

Good, somebody who won't be here after April. Untill then...:brickwall
You know you can post and talk for a hundred years and say things that do not make sense, i.e. (in example) Some QB's have been around forever and still suck others may come in a year or two and accomplish more.

Now I just proved a point with flawed logic but you did follow it?

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 02:09 PM
texas a&m's defense stopped vince young. the 117th ranked defense in the country, in fact. and bush wasn't stopped by the longhorns. he had several huge plays and a TD. the fact that that performance is considering being "stopped" means the rest of his games must've been amazing
__________________________________________________ _______________
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG
11/25 Texas W40-29 13 24 162 54.2 25
A&M
__________________________________________________ _______________


CAR YDS AVG TD LG
Vince Young
19 200 10.5 3 45
Reggie Bush
13 82 6.3 1 26

So I guess vince must be a monster compared to Bush. Stats are just that stats. You can not measure HEART. Vince has it and some don't.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 02:18 PM
You know you can post and talk for a hundred years and say things that do not make sense, i.e. (in example) Some QB's have been around forever and still suck others may come in a year or two and accomplish more.

Now I just proved a point with flawed logic but you did follow it?

Yes I did. My repsonse might seem a bit harsh, and I'll never discredit what anybody has to say. Wether it be thier first post of the 12546541 post; but when people join this board, and post poorly written (which are a ***** to read) and highly repetative posts I will bring to their attention; hoping to improve the community as a whole. The harshness comes from seeing the opening. post about a 100 or so times since the Rose Bowl

There are several posts that already state what the thread starter stated, he/she simply could have replied in one of them that he/she agrees. Which is how this place is supposed to work. The flood of "VY is teh best ever" threads HAS gotten old, espically those that don't offer anything new to the conversation.

You follow?

kastofsna
01-31-2006, 02:28 PM
__________________________________________________ _______________
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG
11/25 Texas W40-29 13 24 162 54.2 25
A&M
__________________________________________________ _______________


CAR YDS AVG TD LG
Vince Young
19 200 10.5 3 45
Reggie Bush
13 82 6.3 1 26

So I guess vince must be a monster compared to Bush. Stats are just that stats. You can not measure HEART. Vince has it and some don't.
young was horrible against a&m. you didn't watch the game? he was sulking on the sidelines during the game. that pretty much lost him the heisman. he got pressured, he made bad decisions, he did enough to lose the game. a blocked punt won the game for texas. what "heart" are you referring to? and what does that have to do with anything? that game is just a tremendous example of the true value of young, which is that they can still win even in his worst of games

nunusguy
01-31-2006, 02:37 PM
God I can't wait for the draft to come and go already! I am a longhorn fan, but all you VY supporters are making it hard for me to hope he has a good NFL career. No matter who we draft, unless he goes on to be the next coming of God himself, and VY has even a decent NFL career, we'll be hearing about it on these message boards forever! Also, all of you so-called "fans" that say if we don't draft VY your gone, we'll see ya! Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya! Make it that much easier for me to get tickets when I'm in town. For what it's worth, I'm in the win-win-win camp. I don't think we can go wrong here. Go Texans!:fans:
I was a VY fan and UT untill all of this started, but this crap about drafting Young or else has succeeded in totally alienating me on him and the Longhorns. I mean, I'm left with the impression if the the Texans don't
draft Young (and they aren't going to because the owner and new HC have
made both their desire and plans to keep Carr very clear ), all the Longhorn
faithful would do anything they could to somehow torpedo the Texans season.

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 02:40 PM
young was horrible against a&m. you didn't watch the game? he was sulking on the sidelines during the game. that pretty much lost him the heisman. he got pressured, he made bad decisions, he did enough to lose the game. a blocked punt won the game for texas. what "heart" are you referring to? and what does that have to do with anything? that game is just a tremendous example of the true value of young, which is that they can still win even in his worst of games

1.The Flu stopped Vince not A&M.

2. 40-29 one punt block?

3. You can not measure an athlete by one poor performance many great qb's have had a bad game.

4. lets be real if USC played in the SEC reggie bush would have a few bad games!

I guess the real question is who will be the better fit for this team because they have all lost confidence in D Carr.

jaayteetx
01-31-2006, 02:42 PM
Just out of curiosity........... do you make these same replies in the pro Bush threads??

See Jerek's reply, pretty muched sumed up what I was feeling. But I see what your saying. I would prefer to have Bush over Young. Or trade the pick for that matter. Just think it would help us win faster and I'm all for that.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 02:44 PM
1.The Flu stopped Vince not A&M.

Really maybe somebody should tell VY that

Q: Any truth to the rumors that Vince Young and a few of the offensive linemen had the flu last Friday?

Trey Crocker, San Antonio

BROWN: Young denied having the flu, as did the offensive linemen. They didnít want to make excuses. They said it was just a rough day.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/sports/ut/stories/120205dnspoutletter.2db1bd29.html

Because appernatly he didn't know he had the flu when they played the Aggies.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm?

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 02:47 PM
Really maybe somebody should tell VY that



http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/sports/ut/stories/120205dnspoutletter.2db1bd29.html

Because appernatly he didn't know he had the flu when they played the Aggies.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm?

Any good player would not admit to being sick! Thats cool bottom line even on his worse day they still scored 40. In my book that is a win. The final score was 40-29. BLOWOUT!

Texans>Colts
01-31-2006, 02:50 PM
1.The Flu stopped Vince not A&M.

2. 40-29 one punt block?

3. You can not measure an athlete by one poor performance many great qb's have had a bad game.

4. lets be real if USC played in the SEC reggie bush would have a few bad games!

I guess the real question is who will be the better fit for this team because they have all lost confidence in D Carr.

Like u said, u can't measure an athelte on 1 bad perfomrence. ur doing it with bush it seems like. Every good Running Back has a bad game. Right?

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 02:52 PM
Like u said, u can't measure an athelte on 1 bad perfomrence. ur doing it with bush it seems like. Every good Running Back has a bad game. Right?


No doubt. Really just a reply to dude saying that bush was not stopped. Hey my take is if you have three good backs in the camp with the denver broncos coaching staff taking over they are going to be great! We just need a better than Average qb behind center hince VY.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 02:53 PM
Any good player would not admit to being sick! Thats cool bottom line even on his worse day they still scored 40. In my book that is a win. The final score was 40-29. BLOWOUT!

So he lied to the press? Why can't you beleive the truth, he didn't ahve the flu. If he had a reporter would have found out and it would have been added to the legend of Vince. BUT HE DIDN"T, ans thats why he even said he didn't.

Yes it was a blowout, but not one caused by VY.

He was 13 of 24 for 162 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT. He rush 11 times for 19 yards, with one of those rushes being for 12 yards.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135107

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 02:55 PM
So he lied to the press? Why can't you beleive the truth, he didn't ahve the flu. If he had a reporter would have found out and it would have been added to the legend of Vince. BUT HE DIDN"T, ans thats why he even said he didn't.

Yes it was a blowout, but not one caused by VY.

He was 13 of 24 for 162 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT. He rush 11 times for 19 yards, with one of those rushes being for 12 yards.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135107


Those sound like good numbers to me. In that game he was on par with the King "David Carr"

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 02:56 PM
Like u said, u can't measure an athelte on 1 bad perfomrence. ur doing it with bush it seems like. Every good Running Back has a bad game. Right?

True, but how many people in Houston are screaming that if the Texans don't draft Bush they are 1) going to stop being a fan, 2) commit suicide?

I'll be happy with either, I'm just sick of having VY's greatness shoved down my thoat. He is a long way form being an NFL quality starter, but when it's all said and done he may be great. Just like Reggie may be great.

Huge
01-31-2006, 02:57 PM
texas a&m's defense stopped vince young. the 117th ranked defense in the country, in fact. and bush wasn't stopped by the longhorns. he had several huge plays and a TD. the fact that that performance is considering being "stopped" means the rest of his games must've been amazing
"Several huge plays"? Really? Like what?

There was the 26 yd TD run. And then the...well?

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Those sound like good numbers to me. In that game he was on par with the King "David Carr"

There decent for an average college QB, not one who is supposed to be teh greatest thing since Chuck Norris. Are they first pick in teh draft numbers? Against one of the worst pass D in college?

FYI you can use Reggie's numbers versus UCLA in the same manner, I think they had the 116th worst run D in the NCAA.

And yes he did have teh flu.:ok:

Huge
01-31-2006, 02:58 PM
BTW, I agree this thread offers nothing but another space filler.

Trade down.

D-ReK
01-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Any good player would not admit to being sick!

See Michael Jordan in the 1997 NBA Finals, when he played with the flu and had one of his best games ever...Yep, no good player ever admits to being sick :ok: ...

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 03:00 PM
See Michael Jordan in the 1997 NBA Finals, when he played with the flu and had one of his best games ever...Yep, no good player ever admits to being sick :ok: ...


There is only one Jordan.

kastofsna
01-31-2006, 03:11 PM
"Several huge plays"? Really? Like what?

There was the 26 yd TD run. And then the...well?
he had a good run on the 2nd drive of the game (after a texas muffed punt). then he had the screen from leinart which resulted in a horrific lateral attempt by bush. had some other good runs. he didn't get the ball that much, so considering what he did with the limited carries, and limited touches overall, he did good. especially since he averaged over 6 yards a carry.

and for those who think young had a good day against a&m by just looking at the stats......please. he had an awful day. you didn't watch the game apparently

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 03:18 PM
he had a good run on the 2nd drive of the game (after a texas muffed punt). then he had the screen from leinart which resulted in a horrific lateral attempt by bush. had some other good runs. he didn't get the ball that much, so considering what he did with the limited carries, and limited touches overall, he did good. especially since he averaged over 6 yards a carry.

and for those who think young had a good day against a&m by just looking at the stats......please. he had an awful day. you didn't watch the game apparently

Again yes he had a bad game but same result 40-29 stop him everyone else beats you. Thats what good teams do!

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 03:20 PM
Again yes he had a bad game but same result 40-29 stop him everyone else beats you. Thats what good teams do!

This is not a discussion of teh Teaxns should draft the UT team, but rather that they should draft VY. For this discussion the rest of what the UT roster did means nothing.

Face it you hav ea huge VY bias, and have proven unalbe to look at facts.

I'm done here, nothings going to change some people.

ps VY did NOT have teh FLU when he played A&M

jgite
01-31-2006, 03:26 PM
I'm a noob to this MB, but I have been cheering for the Texans since their inception and the Oilers before them. I generally a fan of Houston teams in every sport. My official stance on this draft is that we either draft Young or trade down. I wasn't excited about Carr and still not. The only game I watched of Fresno State was wehn they beat Colorado, but I was not impressed. Watching him the past four years I still don't see anything. We are not at the point as a team just to have a serviceable quarterback. Trent Difler won because he had arguably one of the best defenses in NFL history.
I wasn't excited about Bush either, because of the quality of Pac-10 defenses. He disappeared more times this year than Vince and he also was non-factor in the Orange Bowl in '05. Draft guru Mel Kiper says because of his ability that he could be a good compliment to DD, MORENCY, and a slot receiver. So basically we are drafting a change of pace back, and slot receiver with the #1 pick. We can take Reggie McNeal (if doesn't make it as a QB), Brad Smith, or Michael Robinson in the later rounds if we wanted that. Trade down and get D'Brick, Hawk or Williams.

THETRUTH
01-31-2006, 03:30 PM
This is not a discussion of teh Teaxns should draft the UT team, but rather that they should draft VY. For this discussion the rest of what the UT roster did means nothing.

Face it you hav ea huge VY bias, and have proven unalbe to look at facts.

I'm done here, nothings going to change some people.

ps VY did NOT have teh FLU when he played A&M


Bottom line is rather we draft VY or Bush the rest of the team must show up for either of them to be successful at the next level!!

Some people will never get it!!

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 03:34 PM
Bottom line is rather we draft VY or Bush the rest of the team must show up for either of them to be successful at the next level!!

Some people will never get it!!

Yeah, I don't get it. :brickwall

What's my avatar say?

PS and it's becoming rather fashionable.

kastofsna
01-31-2006, 03:39 PM
Again yes he had a bad game but same result 40-29 stop him everyone else beats you. Thats what good teams do!
texas a&m has the 117th ranked defense in the country. even BAD teams should be able to beat them. the fact that he struggled against them is a big sign. what his team did to rally to a victory is moot

LBC_Justin
01-31-2006, 07:27 PM
We need Vincent Young he is a leader we need a leader, Carr has had his chance, we have Davis who can rush for 1000 yards we don't need Bush besides what do you people think an NFL defense is going to do to him ??? The Longhorn defense stopped him and their defense was the toughest USC faced all season we do not need bush....we will get lineman we don't need to trade our # 1 pick for one that would be stupid, passing on Young would be like passing up Michael Jordan, he is going to be a supertstar, and it disgust me to think once again the Texans are going to disappoint me with draft...last year we could have had Derrick Johnson but NO we are stupid and passed him up .....this was a HUGE mistake.....hopefully we don't make another one this year......

This is a repost of a previous post I made. It is intended to ENLIGHTEN.

everyone keeps saying that Reggie Bush was shut down in the Rose Bowl. LOL no way. Yes his performance was way overshadowed by VY's but he still had a great game, maybe not great by Reggie Bush standards but still great none the less.

Let me put it into perspective.

In the RoseBowl, which was one of his worst games of the year.
He...
averaged 6.3 yard per carry, rushing for 82 yards.
averaged 15.8 yards per catch, receiving for 95 yards.
1 TD

If his stats for the RoseBowl game were exstrapulated into a full 16 game NFL Season.
Recieving: He would be the #2 Wide Reciever in the NFL in total yards and he would be the #5 Wide Reciever in Yards per catch.
Rushing: He would be #1 rusher in yards per carry and he would be the #10 rusher in the NFL in total rushing yards. (All this while only getting 1/2 the carries, because of Lendale.)
Scoring: He would be the #4 in the NFL for most Touchdowns scored by any position.
All purpose yards: He would be #1 in the NFL in All purpose yards.

I know the stats don't convert like that to the NFL but the point is many people think UT shut him down in the Rose Bowl. No they didn't. In fact if Lendale White converts a 4th and 2 or the USC defense makes one 4th down stop, people would view this whole game differently, as USC is the winner.

Keep in mind that the UT defense had a "Spy" on him to keep him from breaking big plays. He still managed to break a few big plays both as a reciever and as a runner.

Reggie Bush is the real deal and he proved it over and over this entire season. He didn't just have one or two big games. He had lots of big games. Is he as big as his hype? no, no one could possible as big as the hype machine that ESPN has created for him. Just like VY is not as good as his hype. In this day and age of 24 hour TV/Radio coverage, no one can live up to the legend that Sports Center can make a player.

Another thing.
Pick any NFL running back, past or present. Compare their Yard per Carry as a college players to Reggie Bush's 8.7 ypc he had his Junior year. That should sell you.

As a Longhorn living in the heart of USC country, I hated all the hype Bush was getting. I watched every USC game looking for reasons this guy isn't the real deal and reasons not to like him. He is the real deal and lucky for the Texans we are going to be in a postion to get one of the best College rusher ever and a guy who will make a huge impact on our team NEXT YEAR. Not 2 years from now but NEXT YEAR.

run-david-run
01-31-2006, 07:49 PM
Lets end the madness, cant we all just agree to trade down?
Didn't think so, but I had to ask...

Huge
01-31-2006, 07:49 PM
he had a good run on the 2nd drive of the game (after a texas muffed punt). then he had the screen from leinart which resulted in a horrific lateral attempt by bush. had some other good runs. he didn't get the ball that much, so considering what he did with the limited carries, and limited touches overall, he did good. especially since he averaged over 6 yards a carry.

and for those who think young had a good day against a&m by just looking at the stats......please. he had an awful day. you didn't watch the game apparently
He had 2 runs of over 10 yards. Two. Though he did have a few runs of 9 yards. But if those count as "huge plays" in your book, then you might want to re-evaluate Young's game against A&M.

Causing a fumble inside the red zone because you lateral it counts as a "huge play" in your book? Who cares what he did before he tossed it away? Did Leon Lett have a good play when he almost scored a TD in Super Bowl XXVII before Don Beebe stripped the ball away? No...nobody remembers how/what Lett did before then. They just remember his brain fart at the end of the play.

Oh, but he had 92 receiving yards. I forgot. Nevermind 26 of those came on the 2nd to last play of the game when the Texas defense was willing to give up anything underneath that USC wanted to throw. That doesn't matter at all...it was a 26 yard play!!

Funny how you use Bush's "limited touches" against Texas but ignore the fact Vince only had 24 attempts against A&M.

Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Where was Bush anytime USC was inside their 5 yd line? Where was Bush anytime USC was inside the 20's? And spare me the "That's what White is for...pounding the ball up the middle". 2 of White's TD came on the outside.

And since it's dumb for anybody to point towards Vince's stats as proof he had an okay day against A&M, why have you only pointed towards Bush's stats against Texas to prove he had an okay day? Apparently you didn't watch the game...right?

Huge
01-31-2006, 07:53 PM
texas a&m has the 117th ranked defense in the country. even BAD teams should be able to beat them. the fact that he struggled against them is a big sign. what his team did to rally to a victory is moot
Reggie Bush - 8 carries, 51 yards, 1 TD vs Washington

Washington - 94th in total defense

LBC_Justin
01-31-2006, 08:21 PM
Reggie Bush - 8 carries, 51 yards, 1 TD vs Washington

Washington - 94th in total defense
I watched this game so when you brought it up, I thought it was kind of funny. Bush had a great game. Matt was lighting up the Washington defense so neither RB go a ton of carries.

Reggie Bush had 8 carries for 51 <-- 6.4 yards per carry(that is great average)
LenDale White had 16 carries for 56 <-- 3.5 yards per carry

Oh and you left off the fact that Reggie Bush scored on a 84 yard punt return.
2 catches for 18 yards
8 carries for 51 yards, 1 touchdown
1 punt return for 84 yards, 1 touchdown
----------------------------------------
11 touches, 153 yards, 2 touchdowns. <--WoW

I hope we draft Reggie Bush and he has some more horrible games like that.:yahoo:

Huge
01-31-2006, 08:23 PM
Vince Young - 164 yards passing on 24 attempts - good day

No?

LORK 88
01-31-2006, 08:37 PM
Lets end the madness, cant we all just agree to trade down?
Didn't think so, but I had to ask...

If only it were that easy . . .

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 08:38 PM
Lets end the madness, cant we all just agree to trade down?
Didn't think so, but I had to ask...

Deal, but it ain't gonna stop the madness.

Mr. White
01-31-2006, 08:46 PM
texas a&m's defense stopped vince young. the 117th ranked defense in the country, in fact.

Just out of curiosity... Anybody have a ranking for Fresno State's defense? Seems like they took it to USC in a similar fashion. And ended up with the same result.

My :twocents: ... usually championship (or any) teams have the toughest time with their own division rivals.

thunderkyss
01-31-2006, 09:22 PM
This is a repost of a previous post I made. It is intended to ENLIGHTEN.
Another thing.
Pick any NFL running back, past or present. Compare their Yard per Carry as a college players to Reggie Bush's 8.7 ypc he had his Junior year. That should sell you.

As a Longhorn living in the heart of USC country, I hated all the hype Bush was getting. I watched every USC game looking for reasons this guy isn't the real deal and reasons not to like him. He is the real deal and lucky for the Texans we are going to be in a postion to get one of the best College rusher ever and a guy who will make a huge impact on our team NEXT YEAR. Not 2 years from now but NEXT YEAR.

Really great post.... Good points..... but I still don't want him. Why?? well, how many times have we split Domanick, Wells, or Morency out as a slot reciever?? How many times has Kubiak, who called the plays in Denver, line Bell, or Anderson, or any runningback up as a widereciever?? Out of the six backs, I can't think of once. Our team isn't made for that kind of back, our coach doesn't plan for that kind of back, and our new system isn't designed for that kind of back. Reggie isn't going to be the right back for any of the 32 NFL, but a particular team............ maybe even several particualr teams.

Now how many times did it look like our team(offensive line) just quit, how many times did they have no reason to believe they still had a chance to win?? How many times did you scream"THROW THE DAMMMMM BALL" as our QB was running towards the sideline?? How many times did you wish David could have found the open reciever as he broke out of the pocket??

I have nothing against Bush, but every highlight i've seen, he's a reciever for 14 or 15 plays, and there will be one play where he hits the corner as a Running back. I just don't think he fits our team.

Afrokid
01-31-2006, 09:27 PM
Martin Luther King Jr. for president

LBC_Justin
02-01-2006, 12:25 AM
Really great post.... Good points..... but I still don't want him. Why?? well, how many times have we split Domanick, Wells, or Morency out as a slot reciever?? How many times has Kubiak, who called the plays in Denver, line Bell, or Anderson, or any runningback up as a widereciever?? Out of the six backs, I can't think of once. Our team isn't made for that kind of back, our coach doesn't plan for that kind of back, and our new system isn't designed for that kind of back. Reggie isn't going to be the right back for any of the 32 NFL, but a particular team............ maybe even several particualr teams.
The reason Reggie Bush is a #1 pick is he creates unimaginable match up problems. He is way too fast and has too many moves to have a linebacker cover him. He will break tackles, out run, out juke and run over many of the DB's, yes even in the NFL. The guy is a sick punt returner, and I think if you take Bush you use him for every postion he can play, punt return, opposite Mathis on the kick return, slot reciever, and running back. The guy is an all purpose yards machine. Use him that way.

He might be a big reason we start seeing AJ, Mathis and Gaffney getting open next season.

I wish you guys got to see more than just his highlights. I watched him take a hit behind the line of scrimmage and fight for a 8 yard gain on several occasions. They guy is fast, stronger than you would believe and people even questioning his ability to run between the tackles haven't been paying attention or are just repeating what they read by one guy on ESPN. This is just crazy talk.

Huge
02-01-2006, 08:02 AM
This is a repost of a previous post I made. It is intended to ENLIGHTEN.

everyone keeps saying that Reggie Bush was shut down in the Rose Bowl. LOL no way. Yes his performance was way overshadowed by VY's but he still had a great game, maybe not great by Reggie Bush standards but still great none the less.

Let me put it into perspective.

In the RoseBowl, which was one of his worst games of the year.
He...
averaged 6.3 yard per carry, rushing for 82 yards.
averaged 15.8 yards per catch, receiving for 95 yards.
1 TD

If his stats for the RoseBowl game were exstrapulated into a full 16 game NFL Season.
Recieving: He would be the #2 Wide Reciever in the NFL in total yards and he would be the #5 Wide Reciever in Yards per catch.
Rushing: He would be #1 rusher in yards per carry and he would be the #10 rusher in the NFL in total rushing yards. (All this while only getting 1/2 the carries, because of Lendale.)
Scoring: He would be the #4 in the NFL for most Touchdowns scored by any position.
All purpose yards: He would be #1 in the NFL in All purpose yards.
DeAngelo Williams averaged 163.25 yards per game rushing. Average that out over 16 games and it's 2,615 yards. That would break Eric Dickerson's single season rushing mark by 507 yards.

Or to make it look even worse...

Vince Young - 3,736.6 yards passing per game (good enough for 8th in the NFL)
Vince Young - 1,292.3 yards rushing per game (good enough for 10th in the NFL)
His 6.8 yards per carry would rank 2nd in the NFL...behind Reggie Bush, of course.

"ENLIGHTENING" argument or dumb decision to translate collegiate stats to the NFL?

I know the stats don't convert like that to the NFL...
Yeah, no *expletive*.

...but the point is many people think UT shut him down in the Rose Bowl. No they didn't. In fact if Lendale White converts a 4th and 2 or the USC defense makes one 4th down stop, people would view this whole game differently, as USC is the winner.
But nobody was going to remember Bush's game. If USC wins, Leinart or White is the MVP going away.

Keep in mind that the UT defense had a "Spy" on him to keep him from breaking big plays. He still managed to break a few big plays both as a reciever and as a runner.
And USC didn't do the same with Young?

Reggie Bush is the real deal and he proved it over and over this entire season. He didn't just have one or two big games. He had lots of big games. Is he as big as his hype? no, no one could possible as big as the hype machine that ESPN has created for him. Just like VY is not as good as his hype. In this day and age of 24 hour TV/Radio coverage, no one can live up to the legend that Sports Center can make a player.
Agreed. But where is the notion that Young's only great game came in the Rose Bowl coming from? You do realize there's a reason he finished 2nd in the Heisman and won every other award he was nominated for, don't you?

Another thing.
Pick any NFL running back, past or present. Compare their Yard per Carry as a college players to Reggie Bush's 8.7 ypc he had his Junior year. That should sell you.
Okay...how 'bout Justin Forsett? He was just a Soph from Cal yet averaged just 1.1 yard per carry less than Bush. If these two players swapped teams, do you think Bush would keep that 8.7 or do you think their averages would move a little closer based on the drop in surrounding talent that Bush would face?

As a Longhorn living in the heart of USC country, I hated all the hype Bush was getting. I watched every USC game looking for reasons this guy isn't the real deal and reasons not to like him. He is the real deal and lucky for the Texans we are going to be in a postion to get one of the best College rusher ever and a guy who will make a huge impact on our team NEXT YEAR. Not 2 years from now but NEXT YEAR.
This we agree on.

Spoda
02-01-2006, 08:32 AM
about to rant
i love the passion..i really do...but come on!!! if anyone actually believes that vince will be able to do the things in the pros that he did in college then you really are looking through burnt orange glasses..i mean seriously...that's not to say he won't be great or good or vick-like...or hell even peyton-like..that's p-e-y...anyway...just insert reggie's name in my rambling above and replace vick and peyton with barry sanders and gayle sayers...i mean really?? some of you really think this will happen? really? that these guys will come in and just blow everyone away? i think the guys that think this way are trapped in fantasy football instead of real NFL football...in the big 6 as i refer to them..vince/bush/leinart/brick/mario/hawk...vince HAS to be the biggest risk just by the position and his lack of blah blah..shotgun blah..throwing motion blah...reggie is small blah...we know...the fact is everyone has the potential to bust...so i can not understand why we wouldn't want more chances to not bust?? i know charley likes to be flukie....i know................the main reason i keep hearing for not trading down (other than the ridiculous "he's from houston") is that reggie and vince are once in a generation ....really?? is this guaranteed?no...so trade out and get more chances to get solid players to go to the promise land...i know charley...i know

thunderkyss
02-01-2006, 08:37 AM
The reason Reggie Bush is a #1 pick is he creates unimaginable match up problems. He is way too fast and has too many moves to have a linebacker cover him. He will break tackles, out run, out juke and run over many of the DB's, yes even in the NFL. The guy is a sick punt returner, and I think if you take Bush you use him for every postion he can play, punt return, opposite Mathis on the kick return, slot reciever, and running back. The guy is an all purpose yards machine. Use him that way.

He might be a big reason we start seeing AJ, Mathis and Gaffney getting open next season.

I wish you guys got to see more than just his highlights. I watched him take a hit behind the line of scrimmage and fight for a 8 yard gain on several occasions. They guy is fast, stronger than you would believe and people even questioning his ability to run between the tackles haven't been paying attention or are just repeating what they read by one guy on ESPN. This is just crazy talk.


I too wish I got to see more than the highlights..... my impressions are bassed on those, and what people say(10 carries a game, lining up as a reciever more often than not) on the football boards I frequent more than what is said on ESPN...... if that were the case, I'd be in the Draft Bush crowd.

When was the last time a rookie RB had the kind of impact you're projecting for Reggie?? LT & Caddilac Williams were both big surprises, even though LT in particualr was projected to do very well, neither he nor Cadillac was a #1 pick. I can't think of one RB(bad.... bad memory) to be drafted with the #1 overall, that wasn't a between the tackles 20+ carries/game prospect....

thunderkyss
02-01-2006, 09:09 AM
about to rant
the main reason i keep hearing for not trading down (other than the ridiculous "he's from houston") is that reggie and vince are once in a generation ....really?? is this guaranteed?no...so trade out and get more chances to get solid players to go to the promise land...i know charley...i know


You know... I'm starting to get bugged by these "don't be stupid.... trade down" posts..... I know Kubiak/Casserly/McNair don't give a rat's YKW about what I think. And they are going to do what they are going to do. I participate on this board, because I'm a fan fo this team. I participate in these threads, because I have an opinion about them, & I'm a big fan of one of the prospects. And, this is the highlight of my Texans Football season so far.

There are several trade down threads, mock drafts with trade down themes, etc... and while you'll get the occasional, "I don't see how you could pass on Bush" comments, you're generally allowed to discuss the topic of the thread with other fans similarly interested, with little impediment.

Now I'll agree with you, and I welcome posts like yours, in the "Young is from Houston" or the "Bush/Young will please the fans" threads, or in reply to those posts where that is the primary(and sometimes only) argument.

Now, personally, even if Bush is going to be the next Gayle Sayers, Marshall Faulk, or even Barry Sanders, I wouldn't take him with the #1 pick. Why, because we aren't the Lions, or the Rams...... If he is going to be the next OJ, Emmit, Bettis, or any other Runner, that fits our system, I'm all for it.

Trade down..... right now, I can see how many believe it is the best option, I don't think we can make that decision till after free Agency..... depending on what we do there, we really don't know how urgent the need is for any particular position. Most of us have stated.... we should trade down, but if we are going to use the pick I want........ The man with the Cape, and the red S on his chest.

This is fun, I'm sorry you aren't enjoying it as much as the rest of us, but this isn't about you.

eclem5
02-01-2006, 09:28 AM
Yes I did. My repsonse might seem a bit harsh, and I'll never discredit what anybody has to say. Wether it be thier first post of the 12546541 post; but when people join this board, and post poorly written (which are a ***** to read) and highly repetative posts I will bring to their attention; hoping to improve the community as a whole. The harshness comes from seeing the opening. post about a 100 or so times since the Rose Bowl

There are several posts that already state what the thread starter stated, he/she simply could have replied in one of them that he/she agrees. Which is how this place is supposed to work. The flood of "VY is teh best ever" threads HAS gotten old, espically those that don't offer anything new to the conversation.

You follow?

Well said,

I do believe that most of the Vince Young :superman: supporters are so passionate about the issue and joined the message board (not knowing how message boards work)to see if contribute to him coming here. This will be an issue until the draft and still will come up in conversations for years to come.

The only way not to hear Young/Bush rhetoric is to not read those threads:twocents:

eclem5
02-01-2006, 09:35 AM
young was horrible against a&m. you didn't watch the game? he was sulking on the sidelines during the game. that pretty much lost him the heisman. he got pressured, he made bad decisions, he did enough to lose the game. a blocked punt won the game for texas. what "heart" are you referring to? and what does that have to do with anything? that game is just a tremendous example of the true value of young, which is that they can still win even in his worst of games

Hey, guess what? They WON the GAME! Last year they won every game :homer:

kastofsna
02-01-2006, 09:56 AM
He had 2 runs of over 10 yards. Two. Though he did have a few runs of 9 yards. But if those count as "huge plays" in your book, then you might want to re-evaluate Young's game against A&M.
the point is that bush was effective in the rose bowl, much more than young in the a&m game. even the commentators who are so young-biased said he struggled and the game lost him the heisman. his sulking on the sideline was more evidence of this
Causing a fumble inside the red zone because you lateral it counts as a "huge play" in your book? Who cares what he did before he tossed it away? Did Leon Lett have a good play when he almost scored a TD in Super Bowl XXVII before Don Beebe stripped the ball away? No...nobody remembers how/what Lett did before then. They just remember his brain fart at the end of the play.
once again, the braincramp was dumb, but when people say texas "shut him down" it's simply not true. they couldn't stop him on that play, and he did it himself. he's never done anything like that. i'm sure he's learned his lesson, too
Oh, but he had 92 receiving yards. I forgot. Nevermind 26 of those came on the 2nd to last play of the game when the Texas defense was willing to give up anything underneath that USC wanted to throw. That doesn't matter at all...it was a 26 yard play!!
okay, take away that play. 18 touches, 148 yards, 8.2 yards per touch
Funny how you use Bush's "limited touches" against Texas but ignore the fact Vince only had 24 attempts against A&M.
only 24 attempts? he average 25 attempts a game this year. try again
Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Where was Bush anytime USC was inside their 5 yd line? Where was Bush anytime USC was inside the 20's? And spare me the "That's what White is for...pounding the ball up the middle". 2 of White's TD came on the outside.
why go against what has worked for the past 2 seasons? white was the short yardage guy, and it always lead to wins. that's the way they do it
And since it's dumb for anybody to point towards Vince's stats as proof he had an okay day against A&M, why have you only pointed towards Bush's stats against Texas to prove he had an okay day? Apparently you didn't watch the game...right?
nah i was pointing out that he had several big plays. i didn't actually mention any stats. people don't remember because he wasn't there late in the game when leinart was passing a lot and when vince young was going off. if USC won, it'd be a different story

jerek
02-01-2006, 11:17 AM
He had 2 runs of over 10 yards. Two. Though he did have a few runs of 9 yards. But if those count as "huge plays" in your book, then you might want to re-evaluate Young's game against A&M.

Causing a fumble inside the red zone because you lateral it counts as a "huge play" in your book? Who cares what he did before he tossed it away? Did Leon Lett have a good play when he almost scored a TD in Super Bowl XXVII before Don Beebe stripped the ball away? No...nobody remembers how/what Lett did before then. They just remember his brain fart at the end of the play.

Oh, but he had 92 receiving yards. I forgot. Nevermind 26 of those came on the 2nd to last play of the game when the Texas defense was willing to give up anything underneath that USC wanted to throw. That doesn't matter at all...it was a 26 yard play!!

Funny how you use Bush's "limited touches" against Texas but ignore the fact Vince only had 24 attempts against A&M.

Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Where was Bush anytime USC was inside their 5 yd line? Where was Bush anytime USC was inside the 20's? And spare me the "That's what White is for...pounding the ball up the middle". 2 of White's TD came on the outside.

And since it's dumb for anybody to point towards Vince's stats as proof he had an okay day against A&M, why have you only pointed towards Bush's stats against Texas to prove he had an okay day? Apparently you didn't watch the game...right?

For the record (and not diminishing Young's Rose Bowl performance) but it is always interesting to look back and remember the refs boned USC out of a stop on that drive where Young's "amazing lateral" should have been called dead when his knee hit the turf a full three seconds before he chucked the ball. The commentators replayed it ad nauseum and there was absolutely no doubt Young was down before he got rid of the ball to the guy who ran it in for a TD.

That is not at all to say that Texas wouldn't have gone on to score, but they were struggling early on in the game, and who's to say USC wouldn't have held them to a field goal, forced a turnover maybe, or at least drained some time off the clock. Plays like that completely change the face of the game. I point this out not to say "Young sucks" or anything of the kind, but only in suggesting that a whole lot of the Young-or-bust crowd would be signing a different tune if, say, UT had lost that game. To which you respond "they didn't," but don't act like VY and VY alone was responsible for all 41 of those points.

tulexan
02-01-2006, 11:26 AM
It was also a forward lateral

Huge
02-01-2006, 11:27 AM
the point is that bush was effective in the rose bowl, much more than young in the a&m game. even the commentators who are so young-biased said he struggled and the game lost him the heisman. his sulking on the sideline was more evidence of this
There's a picture of Bush sulking on the sidelines after his fumble. When I get home (and away from these firewalls at work), I'll post it for you.

Bush accounted for 7 points in the Rose Bowl and 1 turnover.
Young accounted for 7 points in the A&M game and 2 turnovers.

How that's "much more" effective I guess would be a difference of opinion.

once again, the braincramp was dumb, but when people say texas "shut him down" it's simply not true. they couldn't stop him on that play, and he did it himself. he's never done anything like that. i'm sure he's learned his lesson, too
Agreed about it being dumb that people say Texas shut him down. But it's equally dumb to say he had a great game (not saying you have...but others have).

okay, take away that play. 18 touches, 148 yards, 8.2 yards per touch
That's 74 yards and 2 yards per play fewer than what he averaged the rest of the season.

only 24 attempts? he average 25 attempts a game this year. try again
For the season, Bush averaged:
16.7 carries per game
3.1 receptions per game

Or 20 offensive touches per game.

In the Rose Bowl, he had:
13 carries
6 receptions

Or 19 offensive touches.

Is that what you meant by Bush's "limited touches"?

How's that for a second effort?

why go against what has worked for the past 2 seasons? white was the short yardage guy, and it always lead to wins. that's the way they do it
Because it didn't lead to a win this time. In the past, White's 2 yard dives were okay because USC was probably killing whoever they were playing. A lot of that had to do with Bush scoring early and often. Only he didn't do that this time. Which means he wasn't as effective in this game as he'd been in the past.

nah i was pointing out that he had several big plays. i didn't actually mention any stats.
You're right, you didn't mention stats. This is what you said...
and for those who think young had a good day against a&m by just looking at the stats......please. he had an awful day. you didn't watch the game apparently
That's when you went on about Bush's "several big plays" which turned out to be 3 (his TD run, his 18 yd run, and his run after the screen before he fumbled it...which he learned his lesson).

So if I took your point of view and only focused on the good...

2nd and 8 at TEX 22 Vince Young pass complete to David Thomas for 24 yards to the Texas 46 for a 1ST down. - Not a big play?

2nd and 10 at TA&M 48 Vince Young rush for 11 yards to the TexAM 37 for a 1ST down. - Not a big play?

3rd and 9 at TA&M 24 Vince Young pass complete to Limas Sweed for 20 yards to the TexAM 4 for a 1ST down. - Not a big play?

3rd and 13 at TEX 30 Vince Young pass complete to Quan Cosby for 21 yards to the TexAM 49 [/b]for a 1ST down.[/b] - Not a big play?

4th and 5 at TA&M 13 Vince Young pass complete to Ahmard Hall for 13 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. - Not a big play?

Then Young didn't have that bad of a day against A&M. Right?

If I came on here and said Young had a good day against A&M because he had "several huge plays" and listed those five, what would you say to that? Would you think it'd be pretty dumb for me to focus on what he did well and not mention when he didn't get the job done?

Huge
02-01-2006, 11:37 AM
For the record (and not diminishing Young's Rose Bowl performance) but it is always interesting to look back and remember the refs boned USC out of a stop on that drive where Young's "amazing lateral" should have been called dead when his knee hit the turf a full three seconds before he chucked the ball. The commentators replayed it ad nauseum and there was absolutely no doubt Young was down before he got rid of the ball to the guy who ran it in for a TD.
Agreed the refs botched that one (as they did with Kelson's INT no-call).

However, they didn't "bone USC out of a stop". Had they called Vince down where his knee was, it would've been 1st and goal from the 10. He ran for 12 yards on 1st and 10 before he pitched it.

jerek
02-01-2006, 11:49 AM
Agreed the refs botched that one (as they did with Kelson's INT no-call).

However, they didn't "bone USC out of a stop". Had they called Vince down where his knee was, it would've been 1st and goal from the 10. He ran for 12 yards on 1st and 10 before he pitched it.

1st and goal yes, but a lot can happen in that time frame. It wasn't a first-down stop, but a stop is a stop from a scoring perspective no matter where it occurs on the field. And from there, maybe USC only stops them on one play, or maybe all three. Maybe UT settles for a field goal or, somehow, they turn it over. Maybe UT scores the TD and USC only succeeds in running time off the clock which, that early in the game, may not have had much trickle down impact on into the 4th quarter. Or maybe it would have.

There are too many subsequent what-ifs to state anything along the lines of the zebras costing USC the game, and that was not my intention: only to point out that UT was struggling to move the ball and finish a drive early on, and that the refs' mistake of that magnitude in a USC loss should be given due consideration in the outcome and its implications on draft stock.

Again, not to say that Vince didn't have a great game or that he isn't a substantial draft talent, but I get tired of the one-dimensional, no-context arguments for one player or the other. And that is not aimed at you so much as it is a general feeling toward so much of the board.

Huge
02-01-2006, 12:13 PM
Okay, I see what you're saying. I've read/seen/heard complaints from others that were under the impression that it should've been USC's ball at the spot where his knee hit. When I saw your post, I automatically reverted back to that train of thought. My mistake.

And you're right about the what-if's. "What if" they properly ruled his knee down and Texas went on to score a TD on the next few plays and made the PAT instead of rushing it and missing because they didn't want the play reviewed?

That would've put Texas up by 2 after their last TD instead of 1. So does Mack call for a PAT to make it a 3 point game or go for 2 and make USC have to score a TD to win the game. Or what if Mack does call for the PAT and Texas misses it (been known to happen) and now they're only up 2. So a FG wins it for USC and they likely still have a timeout since they wouldn't have had to use it when they were caught off guard when Texas lined up for the 2 point conversion.

That's a whole can of worms. :)

Rewsky
02-01-2006, 12:38 PM
I'm kind of confused.

Some VY-haters are saying that we can't judge VY's potential just from ONE GAME in the Rose Bowl, yet they say his ONE GAME versus A&M is proof that he will be a bust.

I guess the ONE GAME argument is only valid when it applies to your point of view.

jerek
02-01-2006, 12:51 PM
I'm kind of confused.

Some VY-haters are saying that we can't judge VY's potential just from ONE GAME in the Rose Bowl, yet they say his ONE GAME versus A&M is proof that he will be a bust.

I guess the ONE GAME argument is only valid when it applies to your point of view.

Pretty much. It's the unfortunate trial of trying to make a logical argument on a board filled with more agendas than the United States Congress.