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bdiddy
01-31-2006, 01:21 PM
Lets face it, many fans were hoping for a big name signing at the DC spot. However, we should not be so quick to dismiss Richard Smith. He has 18 years of NFL coaching experience, so he is not exactly new to the League. He was the Dolphins DC last year and got to learn under Saban who is a defensive guru and Belichek disciple. Prior to this he was Assistant Head Coach/Linebacker Coach with the Lions. He is an ex-college player that likely knows how to motivate players. He has made a living coaching linebackers, and area of desparate need.

The guy actually has pretty impressive credentials. He is young and motivated, which I like.

aj.
01-31-2006, 01:31 PM
He was here with the Oilers back in the late 80's and early 90's. As far as motivating players, he used to allow his special teams players (guys like Robert Lyles, Eugene Seale, etc.) walk up and down the field wearing fatigues and army helmets before games. It was supposed to intimidate the opponent I guess. It usually just pissed them off or made them laugh. It was part of that whole House of Pain thing and the Glanville circus.

Hey, you can never have enough Fresno Staters on your team.

Sportsfan
01-31-2006, 02:06 PM
So is this a rumor, official, or just someone your personally recommending?

F-minus67
01-31-2006, 02:08 PM
I read somewhere that he was going to be the linebacker coach.

HoustonFrog
01-31-2006, 02:09 PM
Am I wrong but is Ted Catrall still out there and in the running?

bdiddy
01-31-2006, 03:16 PM
This is personal opinion, however, I am hearing his name come up.

Speculation: He will be a part of the defensive staff in some capacity. It is looking more and more like he will be offered the DC job.

Porky
01-31-2006, 03:24 PM
Yawn. Wake me up when we get a real staff. This is a bunch of lightweights, who seem to be picked by mepotism or connection more than for what they can do. I hear the towel boy at St. Pius is up for a key spot.

chuckm
01-31-2006, 03:30 PM
Yawn. Wake me up when we get a real staff. This is a bunch of lightweights, who seem to be picked by mepotism or connection more than for what they can do. I hear the towel boy at St. Pius is up for a key spot.

so we're defining lightweights as someone that's moving into a position through a promotion (regardless of the number of years of experience in the league) examples: Ron Rivera, Charlie Weiss, Marvin Lewis, Gary Kubiak, Romeo Crennell, Sean Payton, ...

El Tejano
01-31-2006, 03:45 PM
Richard Smith is partly responsible for making the Oilers actually play some football in the late 80s.

Vinny
01-31-2006, 03:46 PM
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

http://www.buccaneers.com/media/photos/players/Shanahan_Kyle.jpg

http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle

Porky
01-31-2006, 03:49 PM
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

http://www.buccaneers.com/media/photos/players/Shanahan_Kyle.jpg

http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle

The good news is if things don't work out here, I hear that Burger King is looking for drive thru employees.

Grid
01-31-2006, 03:53 PM
wow yall are harsh :)

Give it a chance folks.

Im not too thrilled about the lack of BIG names and proven coaches coming our way.. but im not gonna knock it till I see it in action.

bckey
01-31-2006, 03:55 PM
The good news is if things don't work out here, I hear that Burger King is looking for drive thru employees.


LMAO!

cadahnic
01-31-2006, 04:04 PM
R. Smith is a talented teacher of LBs and DBs. Him and Hoke should do a bang up job with those two levels of defense. I would think our turnover and pressure count would definately go up. even though 37 sacks was not bad this year just came at the tail end of the season. Consistency is all I want from the assistant coaches. Also, Kyle Shanahan is kid of a big time NFL coach of course he is gonna get a job.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 04:07 PM
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

http://www.buccaneers.com/media/photos/players/Shanahan_Kyle.jpg

http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle

What do you think it says to other assistant coaches when they see a 24 year old Shanahan getting a job. I do not blame Bates one bit for control when he looks at what his future cohorts on the staff look like.

HoustonFrog
01-31-2006, 04:11 PM
I will say that even guys like Lovie Smith were position guys before someone gave them a shot and made them a coordinator so you can't judge all new hires like that BUT it is scary to an extent where we really don't have the luxury of being able to just to let caution fly.

cadahnic
01-31-2006, 04:13 PM
Wish I locked down a sweet 100K+ gig right out of college.

HardKnockTexan
01-31-2006, 04:14 PM
The way I see it is that Shanahan has been around football his entire life. I'm sure from the time he could crawl his father was preaching X's and O's and diciplin to him. I'll give him a chance before tossing him his pink slip... besides.. Alexander the Great conquored the known world by the time he was 25...

jetdoc
01-31-2006, 04:14 PM
Richard Smith's the reason that we're losing out on Jim Bates. Bates doesn't want to be "CO-coordinator" with anyone and he doesn't HAVE to. He's proven himself in this league and Gary's really screwing up by doing the "Co-coordinator" thing on the Defensive side. Bates doesn't HAVE to coach either. The Packers STILL have to pay him $900,000/yr for the next 2 yrs. Hell I'd sit on the couch and watch the NFL on DirecTv for $900,000/yr. THEN I MIGHT think of getting a job? :twocents:

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 04:23 PM
That kid (Shanahan) is also the one who coached up Matt Jones at last year's senior bowl. He also got arrested for PI at the Combine. Gruden has good things to say about him, also. Nad he calls he dad alot, who I think is a pretty good coach.

I'm also willing to bet Kubiak is going to be very hands on with all the players on offense, espically the skill guys. I really don't think Kyle is going to the sole source of input into the receivers.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 04:28 PM
That kid (Shanahan) is also the one who coached up Matt Jones at last year's senior bowl. He also got arrested for PI at the Combine. Gruden has good things to say about him, also. Nad he calls he dad alot, who I think is a pretty good coach.

I'm also willing to bet Kubiak is going to be very hands on with all the players on offense, espically the skill guys. I really don't think Kyle is going to the sole source of input into the receivers.

No one gets coached up by a coach over a couple of days. Under that standard even Kubiak would fail with Carr.

cadahnic
01-31-2006, 04:28 PM
Richard Smith's the reason that we're losing out on Jim Bates. Bates doesn't want to be "CO-coordinator" with anyone and he doesn't HAVE to. He's proven himself in this league and Gary's really screwing up by doing the "Co-coordinator" thing on the Defensive side. Bates doesn't HAVE to coach either. The Packers STILL have to pay him $900,000/yr for the next 2 yrs. Hell I'd sit on the couch and watch the NFL on DirecTv for $900,000/yr. THEN I MIGHT think of getting a job? :twocents:

Actually I think it is Jon Hoke and Marciano is why we are not getting Bates. Bates wants to hire his own staff and pretty much be the HC of Defense like Gary Williams is in Washington. He is gonna make a hell of lot of cash the next two years so he really just has to wait on his shot. I mean with all the assistants hired this year he will get a good shot in two years. My guess it will likely be with the Packers because Mike Mcarthy just does not impress me, he did not do much with the QBs in SF.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 04:31 PM
No one gets coached up by a coach over a couple of days. Under that standard even Kubiak would fail with Carr.

Coached up may be a bit strong, ut it was Shanahan that most certainly help Matt Jones have a good Senior Bowl, and the Senior Bowk is why he got pick by Jax.

Did his name play a part in why he got a job? Most certainly. Is it the only reason? I doubt it. And if it was the only reason we're in worse chape then we were before Capers was fired.

And with that I'm done with K. Shanahan debates.

chall8
01-31-2006, 04:40 PM
It IS very curious that Mr. McNair basically gives Kubiak a blank check to go hire who he wants, and this is the crew he comes up with.

That being said, I believe the head coach of any team should be given free reign to hire who he thinks will get the job done. Ultimately Kubiak will live or die by these hires. So I will give the benefit of the doubt until I see reason not to.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 04:43 PM
It IS very curious that Mr. McNair basically gives Kubiak a blank check to go hire who he wants, and this is the crew he comes up with.

That being said, I believe the head coach of any team should be given free reign to hire who he thinks will get the job done. Ultimately Kubiak will live or die by these hires. So I will give the benefit of the doubt until I see reason not to.

Agreed, but the current hiring, once again I want to see the work completed, gives a little less room for forgiveness.

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 04:52 PM
I like how all these message board people know much more than Kubes does when it comes to the type of staff he wants.

A coaching staff is much like any sports team. Sure you can put together a bunch of all stars,but that is not what is always best. Just like with teams coaching staffs can have ego get in the way.

It is very important for Kubiak to be able to mix and match and put together a staff that he likes, and that will stay here awhile. Keep in mind he is all about loyalty. Jim Bates will be looking for a head coaching job at the end of the season, and then we have to start all over with another DC.

I see nothing wrong with giving a young coach a chance.

Porky
01-31-2006, 04:52 PM
Here's a picture of our new Offensive Coordinator, Troy Calhoun:

http://www2.bc.edu/~gallaugh/baby/pics2/Football.jpg

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 04:59 PM
I like how all these message board people know much more than Kubes does when it comes to the type of staff he wants.

A coaching staff is much like any sports team. Sure you can put together a bunch of all stars,but that is not what is always best. Just like with teams coaching staffs can have ego get in the way.

It is very important for Kubiak to be able to mix and match and put together a staff that he likes, and that will stay here awhile. Keep in mind he is all about loyalty. Jim Bates will be looking for a head coaching job at the end of the season, and then we have to start all over with another DC.

I see nothing wrong with giving a young coach a chance.

There is validity to your statements. But when Bob McNair says that the checkbook is open I find it hard to believe that Kubiak would think Kyle Shanahan is at the top of his list.

Now if we are talking about Kubiak in year two or three, I am more than fine taking his mentors kid.

Texans_Chick
01-31-2006, 04:59 PM
I'm also willing to bet Kubiak is going to be very hands on with all the players on offense, espically the skill guys. I really don't think Kyle is going to the sole source of input into the receivers.


This is just thinking out loud now, and not actual knowledge about stuff, so here goes.

I have had a sense that the Texans have tended to be very segregated as a team. That the various positions and position coaches spent a lot of separate time away from each other. Doing their own things. If you visit the meeting rooms, there is a hall way, with different small rooms for the different positions. QBs, RBs, etc. And then one big room for big meetings.

After Palmer got fired last year, Pendry took over and one of the things that the Oline guys were talking after that happened was watching film as an entire offense, not just the Oline guys. And that watching it as a group was helpful.

Anyhow, with Kube's getting his guys in, I am wondering if we will be seeing a more team oriented approach in the coaching and less segregated pieces and parts. And that by working with coaches who understand what he is trying to do, he is creating a shorthand to help communicate his way of doing things.

And from what I read, a lot of the on-field time won't just be drills in full pads, but more hands on teaching time, which by its nature is more group oriented.

Anyhow, am I way off base with this or is this something that other people sense as well????

Boy, though I know I can't wait for the season to start, they have their work cut out for them understanding their personnel and getting stuff in place. Not just the Xs and Os but creating a new environment for winning and confidence.

:texflag:

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 04:59 PM
the dude is 35 or 36....

Shanahan is the young one

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 05:01 PM
Anyhow, with Kube's getting his guys in, I am wondering if we will be seeing a more team oriented approach in the coaching and less segregated pieces and parts. And that by working with coaches who understand what he is trying to do, he is creating a shorthand to help communicate his way of doing things.

And from what I read, a lot of the on-field time won't just be drills in full pads, but more hands on teaching time, which by its nature is more group oriented.

Anyhow, am I way off base with this or is this something that other people sense as well????

Excellent observation.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 05:05 PM
This is just thinking out loud now, and not actual knowledge about stuff, so here goes.

I have had a sense that the Texans have tended to be very segregated as a team. That the various positions and position coaches spent a lot of separate time away from each other. Doing their own things. If you visit the meeting rooms, there is a hall way, with different small rooms for the different positions. QBs, RBs, etc. And then one big room for big meetings.

After Palmer got fired last year, Pendry took over and one of the things that the Oline guys were talking after that happened was watching film as an entire offense, not just the Oline guys. And that watching it as a group was helpful.

Anyhow, with Kube's getting his guys in, I am wondering if we will be seeing a more team oriented approach in the coaching and less segregated pieces and parts. And that by working with coaches who understand what he is trying to do, he is creating a shorthand to help communicate his way of doing things.

And from what I read, a lot of the on-field time won't just be drills in full pads, but more hands on teaching time, which by its nature is more group oriented.

Anyhow, am I way off base with this or is this something that other people sense as well????

Boy, though I know I can't wait for the season to start, they have their work cut out for them understanding their personnel and getting stuff in place. Not just the Xs and Os but creating a new environment for winning and confidence.

:texflag:

Excellent post.

jmerog
01-31-2006, 05:08 PM
jjj

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 05:22 PM
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

http://www.buccaneers.com/media/photos/players/Shanahan_Kyle.jpg

http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle

Now we are judging our coaches by what they look like? Wow! Come on everyone. Shall we go through our lesson again on not judging a book by its cover? What does his picture tell me? He's young? I knew that when I saw he was 24. Let's give this coaching staff a chance.

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:25 PM
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

http://www.buccaneers.com/media/photos/players/Shanahan_Kyle.jpg

http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle Please let me see AJ's face when that "coach" tries to tell this guy how to play in the NFL:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/Fiddy1203/AJ5.jpg

AJ's arms are bigger than Shanny II's neck...

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 05:34 PM
AJ is a class guy and will listen to Kyle.

Age doesnt make you a good coach. I'm sure there is a ton of people on this board that are older than KS, should the Texans hire them?...I mean they are older and must be better coaches.

Porky
01-31-2006, 05:35 PM
the dude is 35 or 36....

Shanahan is the young one

Ya, and our new OC has exactly 16 games of experience as an offensive coach. Prior to that, he was a defensive coach. This staff is a friggin train wreck. :brickwall

Bronco Texan
01-31-2006, 05:36 PM
This guy is going to be coaching Andre Johnson next year. I got that pic from the Bucs site just now. Nothing against the kid but this worries me a bit.

http://www.buccaneers.com/media/photos/players/Shanahan_Kyle.jpg

http://www.buccaneers.com/team/coachdetail.aspx?listid=coaches&coach=Shanahan,Kyle


I believe the Patriots just hired a 29 year old as their OC. I'm sure when that dude was 26 or 27 he was a position coach some where. Look age shouldn't matter if you have expierence. Koobs didn't just hand a guy off the street a job. Kyle has lived and breath football his whole life. He played wide out at UT, just because he was physically talented doesn't mean he doesn't know the position. Look what he did for Simms this year. Yes it has been stated that Kyle was one of the big factors for Simms success. I know he isn't coaching our QBs but atleast that says he can coach.

Bottom line all of the "high profile" names started somewhere at some age. Would it really make the difference if he had the same credentials but was 35? Look this "kid" has been talked up highly around the league and as far as I'm concerned we might just have the next offensive genius on our hands.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 05:38 PM
Ya, and our new OC has exactly 16 games of experience as an offensive coach. Prior to that, he was a defensive coach. This staff is a friggin train wreck. :brickwall

And? Kubiak thinks enough of his football knowledge that he wants to groom him as his offensive coordinator. Do you have a better football mind than Kubiak?

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:38 PM
AJ is a class guy and will listen to Kyle.

Age doesnt make you a good coach. I'm sure there is a ton of people on this board that are older than KS, should the Texans hire them?...I mean they are older and must be better coaches. Is Kyle going to teach AJ how to dislodge from a jam at the line??? I dont think so...

I want some experience on this staff...

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:40 PM
And? Kubiak thinks enough of his football knowledge that he wants to groom him as his offensive coordinator. Do you have a better football mind than Kubiak? So on top of being head coach, and having to teach Carr everything there is to know about pocket presence, Kubiak now has to teach his OC to run an NFL offense... :brickwall

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 05:41 PM
Ya, and our new OC has exactly 16 games of experience as an offensive coach. Prior to that, he was a defensive coach. This staff is a friggin train wreck. :brickwall

Ya, and our new OC was hand picke dby teh HC, who knows a little sumthin' sumthin' abuot succesful NFL offenses.

Rumor has it Kubiak had his choice of Calhoun or Dennison, and he choose Calhoun; probaly not the choice most would have made. But I doubt anybody on this baord knows the strenghts and weeknesses fo these two like Kubes, and I'll trust his judgement.

For the time being atleast.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 05:42 PM
Is Kyle going to teach AJ how to dislodge from a jam at the line??? I dont think so...

I want some experience on this staff...

If AJ doesn't know how to do this, he would not be in the NFL...

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 05:44 PM
So on top of being head coach, and having to teach Carr everything there is to know about pocket presence, Kubiak now has to teach his OC to run an NFL offense... :brickwall

The plan all along has been for Kubiak to call the plays.

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 05:45 PM
I just am wondering how the hell Kubiak didnt hire Fiddy?...I mean you know more than Calhoun and KS put together right?:rolleyes:

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:47 PM
The plan all along has been for Kubiak to call the plays. Well that's great...we are taking the exact opposite route of the Patriots who took play calling away from the HC and gave it to 2 excellent coordinators...

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:49 PM
I just am wondering how the hell Kubiak didnt hire Fiddy?...I mean you know more than Calhoun and KS put together right?:rolleyes: He didnt hire me because I dont have any ties to Shanahan...

AustinJB
01-31-2006, 05:50 PM
Please let me see AJ's face when that "coach" tries to tell this guy how to play in the NFL:

AJ's arms are bigger than Shanny II's neck...

I'm sure AJ's face will not show as much disappointment as it did w/ the coaches he had last year. The fact that this guy has actually played the position before (although not physically talented enough to make it big-time) probably makes him a well-liked and respected coach b/c he can relate to the players. I think our team could learn from a little comradre (sp) and actually learn to play as a TEAM.

Just b/c AJ is physically bigger/stronger doesn't mean he'll have a bad attitude and not take directions from someone of lesser stature. If that was the case then all OL coaches would have to be 6'5" 330 lbs to get respect; DL coaches 6'7" 275lbs, etc.

All I'm saying is give Kubes a chance. Most seem to be happy of Kubiak's hiring b/c of his offense insight, talent evaluation, etc. If you believe he has these things, then why should you question his coaching decisions just b/c they are either not big names or too young (age discrimination?) If you don't like the Kubiak hiring at all, then I guess I can see where you'd question these hirings b/c you are wanting a big name to passify you.:)

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Those oc's and dc's had to get there start somewhere, they didnt just come out of thin air.

and btw, everything doesn't have to be done the Pats way.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 05:51 PM
He didnt hire me because I dont have any ties to Shanahan...

He didn't hire you because you are even younger than K. Shanahan even though I guess you seem to have more experience!?!? :)

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 05:52 PM
and btw, everything doesn't have to be done the Pats way.


THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! :redtowel:

Porky
01-31-2006, 05:55 PM
Breaking news. The texans just hired their new co-defensive coordinators.

http://www.heysuburbia.com/images/staff/jason/mcdonalds/mcdonalds.jpg

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:55 PM
Those oc's and dc's had to get there start somewhere, they didnt just come out of thin air.

and btw, everything doesn't have to be done the Pats way. They didnt get their first OC job after 16 games of NFL offensive experience...

No it doesnt, but you can't argue with results...

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 05:57 PM
lol that one did get a lil smile out of me

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 05:58 PM
Yes you can't argue with results, but the Patriots way is not the only way a team has ever been good. Shanny called the plays, not Kubiak, when the Broncs went back to back

infantrycak
01-31-2006, 05:58 PM
They didnt get their first OC job after 16 games of NFL experience...

No it doesnt, but you can't argue with results...

Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:

Shanahan sees a bright future for Calhoun in coaching.

"He's going to be a very successful head coach one day at any level he decides," Shanahan said. "He's a strong person and an excellent football coach. He's very valuable to me."

Calhoun joined the Broncos' coaching staff in 2003.

Link (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3383940)

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 05:58 PM
He didn't hire you because you are even younger than K. Shanahan even though I guess you seem to have more experience! :) That, too, but I havent said I would be better, I've been saying that there is better out there...way better...

Vinny
01-31-2006, 06:00 PM
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:



Link (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3383940)He meant NFL offensive coaching experience. He was an offensive coach for one year under Shanny since he started as a defensive coach for the Broncos.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:01 PM
That, too, but I havent said I would be better, I've been saying that there is better out there...way better...

How do you know this? This is what I am trying to figure out. Which NFL coaching circle do you belong to?

Porky
01-31-2006, 06:01 PM
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:



Link (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3383940)

He was a defensive coach prior to last season. I have it on good athority that he has exactly 16 games worth of offensive coaching experience.

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:01 PM
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:



Link (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3383940) He was a defensive assistant when he first got there, he has 16 games of experience as an offensive coach and is now our new OC...

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 06:01 PM
Fiddy how could you say there are better out there? Do you know exactly what Kubes wants from his WR coach?

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:01 PM
Yes you can't argue with results, but the Patriots way is not the only way a team has ever been good. Shanny called the plays, not Kubiak, when the Broncs went back to back

Actually, the first year the Broncos won the SB, was the first year Kubiak called the plays.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 06:02 PM
Breaking news. The texans just hired their new co-defensive coordinators.

http://www.heysuburbia.com/images/staff/jason/mcdonalds/mcdonalds.jpg

MJCOOMN!!!!

Milk just came out of my nose.

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 06:02 PM
He was a defensive assistant when he first got there, he has 16 games of experience as an offensive coach and is our now our OC...

He was the OC at Wake Forest and did well. Yes thats not NFL but its not like he was never done it before.

Kubes is running the offense, and Sherman will likely be a member of the staff. A big name OC is not a need.

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:03 PM
How do you know this? This is what I am trying to figure out. Which NFL coaching circle do you belong to? Common sense is how I'm getting there. So, from what you are telling me, there isnt any ex-NFL WRs that would want to start up as a position coach??? I guess not because we have a guy that was a fourth stringer in college and is now teaching pros how to do their job...

SnakeOilTanker
01-31-2006, 06:04 PM
Actually, the first year the Broncos won the SB, was the first year Kubiak called the plays.


Are you sure? paper said Kubes has been calling hte plays for 6 years..when did the broncs win their first one? seems like more than 6 years ago but i guess i could be wrong

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:05 PM
Common sense is how I'm getting there. So, from what you are telling me, there isnt any ex-NFL WRs that would want to start up as a position coach??? I guess not because we have a guy that was a fourth stringer in college and is now teaching pros how to do their job...

Now you want to hire someone who has never been a coach before? Just because the guy wasn't talented, does not mean he doesn't know what it takes to play the position right. Some of the best coaches were students of the game who tried to play, but were not physically talented enough. Shanahan might be one of those guys.

aj.
01-31-2006, 06:07 PM
Hey....y'all aren't allowed to worry about lack of experience. The only question should be "can he coach?" At least that's what one moderator told me when he was nitpicking my "bit of concern" a few days ago over Calhoun's promotion to OC with only two years of experince with an NFL offense. But I'm sure this case is totally different ... :rolleyes:

Vinny
01-31-2006, 06:08 PM
ok with a limited look-see, Calhoun was a defensive assistant in 2003, special teams coach/assistant offensive assistant in 2004 and Assistant to the HC last year. That doesn't give him much time as an offensive specialist in the NFL.Calhoun became a defensive assistant in Denver in 2003 and was an offensive assistant and coached the Broncos' special teams in 2004http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/2020AP_FBN_Texans_Coaches.html

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:09 PM
Now you want to hire someone who has never been a coach before? Just because the guy wasn't talented, does not mean he doesn't know what it takes to play the position right. Some of the best coaches were students of the game who tried to play, but were not physically talented enough. Shanahan might be one of those guys. Who would have more authority with AJ, Gaff, Mathis and Armstrong, Shanny or a coach with a deeper background at the WR position??? Coaching a position is not like coaching an offense so a couple of years being a position coach is really nothing...


And he can't be the smartest of the bunch...drinking and driving isnt very smart ;)

aj.
01-31-2006, 06:10 PM
ok with a limited look-see, Calhoun was a defensive assistant in 2003, special teams coach/assistant offensive assistant in 2004 and Assistant to the HC last year. That doesn't give him much time as an offensive specialist in the NFL.http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/2020AP_FBN_Texans_Coaches.html

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Two years working with an offense in the NFL. He does have a few years NCAA experience at Wake and some other small school .. can't recall .. but it wasn't the NFL. Just a "bit" of concern there, and with Rat Jr.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 06:11 PM
Shanahan is replacing a WR coach who was interviewed for the HC position here in Houston and was an OC for in Miami. Yes Kyle may have all the football knowledge in the world growing up with his father and has done admirably in his brief career, but for anyone to think that we just got better at the WR position due to better coaching moving forward is a madman with a lunatic's heart.

Now for all of you Shanny sympathizers out there who are also Carr advocates just note the Shanahan/V. Young connection. :stirpot:

Sorry about the double off topic post, but I just got home. You know, while I am at it let's get Reggie Bush in here as well.

Porky
01-31-2006, 06:11 PM
Common sense is how I'm getting there. So, from what you are telling me, there isnt any ex-NFL WRs that would want to start up as a position coach??? I guess not because we have a guy that was a fourth stringer in college and is now teaching pros how to do their job...

With absouelety zero experience on ANY level, or any track record at all. Heck, give me the coach of the pee wee league. This staff is an unmitigated disaster. They should put up crime scene tape outside Relaint Stadium, because this staff is killing me.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:13 PM
I guess this doesn't matter to you because it doesn't fit your argument:

Just because the guy wasn't talented, does not mean he doesn't know what it takes to play the position right. Some of the best coaches were students of the game who tried to play, but were not physically talented enough. Shanahan might be one of those guys.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:17 PM
Coaching a position is not like coaching an offense so a couple of years being a position coach is really nothing...

I keep having this need to ask: And you know this how? When did you last coach a position in the NFL? When were you last an OC? Just wondering where this infinite knowledge of football has come from...

Kyle Shanahan has played and coached football for more years than you have been on this earth...

:) I made him sound older than he is, didn't I?

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:17 PM
Hey....y'all aren't allowed to worry about lack of experience. The only question should be "can he coach?" At least that's what one moderator told me when he was nitpicking my "bit of concern" a few days ago over Calhoun's promotion to OC with only two years of experince with an NFL offense. But I'm sure this case is totally different ... :rolleyes:

Interesting how this didn't get a response...

run-david-run
01-31-2006, 06:20 PM
Well that's great...we are taking the exact opposite route of the Patriots who took play calling away from the HC and gave it to 2 excellent coordinators...
This season Bill Belichick called plays.

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:22 PM
This season Bill Belichick called plays. And they didnt win the Super Bowl...but he also had to deal with injuries and junk but also remember the disaster when he called plays in Cleveland...

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:23 PM
Now for all of you Shanny sympathizers out there who are also Carr advocates just note the Shanahan/V. Young connection. :stirpot:

You mean the Vince Young that had 1140 total passing yards when Kyle was there? Yeah, I am sure he wants VY since he helped to improve his WR stats so much.

Bronco Texan
01-31-2006, 06:23 PM
I wonder if the fans in Denver were screaming when Mike Shanahan hired Mike Heimerdinger as his WR coach in '95 because he was Mike's roommate in college. But hey that didn't turn out too bad now did it?

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 06:23 PM
Interesting how this didn't get a response...

If I am reading it correctly I would agree with it and you would not. But that is a guess, much like everything else that appears on the computer screen after I hit the magic squares.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:25 PM
remember the disaster when he called plays in Cleveland...

Remember, Belichick is a "defensive-minded" coach! How could he possibly call an offense's plays??? :sarcasm:

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 06:26 PM
I wonder if the fans in Denver were screaming when Mike Shanahan hired Mike Heimerdinger as his WR coach in '95 because he was Mike's roommate in college. But hey that didn't turn out too bad now did it?

If Heimerdinger were 24 and arrested at the NFL combine the year before they probably would have said nothing since it was Shanahan's second gig as a HC. This is Kubiak's first gig, that is where the heat is coming from.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:27 PM
If I am reading it correctly I would agree with it and you would not. But that is a guess, much like everything else that appears on the computer screen after I hit the magic squares.

I am asking why the un-named moderator will not explain his change of opinion when it comes to Shanahan versus Calhoun.

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:28 PM
I keep having this need to ask: And you know this how? When did you last coach a position in the NFL? When were you last an OC? Just wondering where this infinite knowledge of football has come from...

Kyle Shanahan has played and coached football for more years than you have been on this earth...

:) I made him sound older than he is, didn't I? Kyle is a reasonable age to be my older brother...

When was the last time where you were involved in the NFL to talk about anything that affects the team, we are here to discuss stuff like this. I feel experience is important, you dont. We will live.

Vinny
01-31-2006, 06:28 PM
I am asking why the un-named moderator will not explain his change of opinion when it comes to Shanahan versus Calhoun.what are you talking about?

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 06:28 PM
what are you talking about?

That is how aj worded his post (one moderator). I did not look to see who he is referring to.

Vinny
01-31-2006, 06:31 PM
That is how aj worded his post. I did not look to see who he is referring to.Oh, he was referring to an exchange with Lucky the other day. Who says he "refuses" to explain anything anyway? this is a pretty new comment.

Bronco Texan
01-31-2006, 06:31 PM
Where are y'all getting this 16 game thing. Calhoun joined the Broncos coaching staff in 2003:

Shanahan sees a bright future for Calhoun in coaching.

"He's going to be a very successful head coach one day at any level he decides," Shanahan said. "He's a strong person and an excellent football coach. He's very valuable to me."

Calhoun joined the Broncos' coaching staff in 2003.


Link (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3383940)

Well seeing as great offensive coaches like Kubiak, Mike Heimerdinger, Karl Dorrell, and Alex Gibbs all came from under Shanahan. I think I will take his word for it.

Also these are all guys that Kyles has either grown up with or worked under, and you can throw Chucky in there too. So case closed on Kyle.

Porky
01-31-2006, 06:38 PM
Well seeing as great offensive coaches like Kubiak, Mike Heimerdinger, Karl Dorrell, and Alex Gibbs all came from under Shanahan. I think I will take his word for it.

Also these are all guys that Kyles has either grown up with or worked under, and you can throw Chucky in there too. So case closed on Kyle.

Ummm, no not case closed. Which of these other coaches gave him this kind of responibility. The "quality control coach" is usually the guy who picks up the sweaty jocks off the floor, and throws them in the wash. Exactly what qualifies him to be the WR coach on a professional football team?

Bronco Texan
01-31-2006, 06:41 PM
Ummm, no not case closed. Which of these other coaches gave him this kind of responibility. The "quality control coach" is usually the guy who picks up the sweaty jocks off the floor, and throws them in the wash. Exactly what qualifies him to be the WR coach on a professional football team?


This coming from a guy who thinks we should waste the first pick in the draft on the 3rd rated QB?????

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:44 PM
Ok, I shouldnt be asking what AJ will think about him, but y'all do know we are trusting Shanny II to groom Mathis???

I'm very depressed right now...

cuppacoffee
01-31-2006, 06:44 PM
That, too, but I havent said I would be better, I've been saying that there is better out there...way better...

And you know this because.............? :challenge

What are you using for comparisons? You have none.

Rave on ...:blah:

I wasn't on the Kubiak bandwagon but I will give him a chance now that he is here.

:coffee:

Fiddy
01-31-2006, 06:47 PM
And you know this because.............? :challenge

What are you using for comparisons? You have none. Kippy Brown was our last WR coach and was a NFL candidate for HC and OC jobs. That's a comparison for Shanny II...

bigTEXan8
01-31-2006, 06:49 PM
I've said this before, that some people are better coaches than they are players. I played basketball for a guy that constantly got the school to state tourney's, but whenever he played, he was a joke. 3rd stringers that were barely 5'8" were taking him to school. But yet, this guy could teach anyone to ball great. Now, is basketball different from football, yeah. But some people can coach...just give the guy a shot.

Wolf
01-31-2006, 06:53 PM
Million dollar question is .....:money:

Can they do any worse than what we saw the last 4 years? I mean we are wondering about inexperienced coaches when we saw how well our "Experienced" coaches did
Unless y'all find the 31st ranked offense (or whatever it was) and the 32nd ranked defense (or whatever it ended up being) satisfying to everyone.

offensively I am not worried.. because Kubiak will be in control of things (or should).. lack of defensive names as a coordinater (nothing against smith) but that one worries, me because I don't know what to expect..

Wolf
01-31-2006, 06:55 PM
IMO .. we can't go anyfurther down (or much):twocents:

Lucky
01-31-2006, 07:08 PM
That is how aj worded his post (one moderator). I did not look to see who he is referring to.
This is what aj was referring to.

Guess who's flying to Houston? (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=18050)

To summarize, I pointed out that there are examples of coaches becoming OCs in this league with limited NFL coaching experience. Kubiak, to name one. I also said that a head coach should choose coaches that he wants to work with. I stand by that. And that the previous coaching staff, with years & years of experience, did not perform to the level of expectations of anyone. We've seen that experience alone isn't the answer.

What we need to remember is that it's Kubiak's job to teach the assistant coaches his system and philosophy. If he thinks it's a better idea to bring in guys from similar systems or young coaches who may be more likely to teach Coach K's methods than grizzled old-timers who are set in their ways...so be it. Just as it was Dom Caper's coaching life at stake when he hired Palmer, Fangio, and Pendry to teach the players, so will it fall on Kubiak. Give the guy a chance.

cuppacoffee
01-31-2006, 07:11 PM
Kippy Brown was our last WR coach and was a NFL candidate for HC and OC jobs. That's a comparison for Shanny II...

Not really. You can't make a comparison until you see what Shanny II does. You are making comparisons based on your opinion of what Shanny II can't do. Something that you really don't have a clue about.
Thats called a baseless assumption. He will have to do the job for at least a year to give you some sort of stats with which to make your comparison.
But giving the guy a chance isn't on your agenda, you just wish to disparage him for no good reason.

Due to you apparent lack of patience I will spell it out for you.

disparage : to depreciate by indirect means (as invidious comparison) : speak slightingly about.


:coffee:

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 07:18 PM
Oh, he was referring to an exchange with Lucky the other day. Who says he "refuses" to explain anything anyway? this is a pretty new comment.

Sorry about that. Since I didn't know the mod's name, I assumed (bad thing to do) it was one of the mods posting in this thread at the time this statement was posted.

:embarrass

infantrycak
01-31-2006, 07:19 PM
He was a defensive assistant when he first got there, he has 16 games of experience as an offensive coach and is now our new OC...

He played QB and he was a OC in college. Strikes me as trying to characterize his experience as anything but predominately offense is just mischaracterizing to grumble. Now folks in Denver maybe should have grumbled about some O guy helping out on D.

infantrycak
01-31-2006, 07:24 PM
Shanahan is replacing a WR coach who was interviewed for the HC position here in Houston and was an OC for in Miami. Yes Kyle may have all the football knowledge in the world growing up with his father and has done admirably in his brief career, but for anyone to think that we just got better at the WR position due to better coaching moving forward is a madman with a lunatic's

Were you actually that thrilled with the Texans' WR coach before? Has he really done much to develop AJ, Gaffney and Armstrong? Doesn't seem like his resume helped out all that much.

Other than a guy looking to be demoted are there any specific folks who are available people can point to as better prospects?

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 07:45 PM
Were you actually that thrilled with the Texans' WR coach before? Has he really done much to develop AJ, Gaffney and Armstrong? Doesn't seem like his resume helped out all that much.

Other than a guy looking to be demoted are there any specific folks who are available people can point to as better prospects?

Alright you caught me what for I am, an agitator. :) I did not like Kippy all that much, but there are guys that are out there (the list I had escapes me).

Essentially it is a lower rung position but hiring Kyle does not offer the impactful statement you would like to see him make in year one. This team fought with the notion of cronyism these past four years and its beginning to show it's ugly head again.

GP
01-31-2006, 07:52 PM
Kaiser:

Kippy was interviewed for the HC job because he is _______ (fill in the blank).

He was never a serious contender, and in reality was just a pawn McNair had to use to satisfy the league's minority hiring program. As was Jerry Gray.

Not trying to start or incite anything by talking about race and the league's minority interview/hiring program, but you can't use Kippy "being a contender for HC" as a way to knock him up a few notches while knocking Shanny Part Deaux down a few notches.

And as far as your comment about him being intoxicated...I think we've had a guy on our team (Coleman?) fall to a similar fate. If you mess up and become resolute to NOT mess up again, the second chance in life looks pretty good. I'm sure Shanny Part Deaux will likely watch how many Sharps beers he's putting away in the future.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 07:59 PM
Kaiser:

Kippy was interviewed for the HC job because he is _______ (fill in the blank).

He was never a serious contender, and in reality was just a pawn McNair had to use to satisfy the league's minority hiring program. As was Jerry Gray.

Not trying to start or incite anything by talking about race and the league's minority interview/hiring program, but you can't use Kippy "being a contender for HC" as a way to knock him up a few notches while knocking Shanny Part Deaux down a few notches.

And as far as your comment about him being intoxicated...I think we've had a guy on our team (Coleman?) fall to a similar fate. If you mess up and become resolute to NOT mess up again, the second chance in life looks pretty good. I'm sure Shanny Part Deaux will likely watch how many Sharps beers he's putting away in the future.

You are wrong in regards to your statement about Gray. Secondly race had nothing to do with what is on Kippy Brown's resume and that is what matters in this conversation. He was an OC in the past, Shanahan has been doing this for two years.

As far as the intoxication goes, it was at the combine. That is bad no matter how you slice it, he was at work or at the very least acting like a fool around the power structure in football.

Wolf
01-31-2006, 09:08 PM
Kudos to "Lucky"

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/sport004.gif


lucky from http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5495


Had he come out and said that Carr suxs & Vince is The Man, Kubes would be getting much love from posters like
Doughnut.

Rick Dennison & Frank Bush couldn't get out of their contracts. Other than that, Kubiak has gotten the guys he wanted. Everyone wanted Marciano back to coach special teams. He's back. Many wanted Hoke back to coach the DB's. He's back. Chick Harris is back. (crickets)

The rest are guys Kubiak knows and trusts. He'll find a DC. Heck some pretty smart guys on this site once thought Hoke would make a good DC. It's a young staff, but they can grow with what should be a young team. The last staff had huge resumes and left behind underdeveloped talent. I'm giving these guys a chance.

Wolf
01-31-2006, 09:17 PM
this is too funny for me.. and this should break up the tension on the thread..

capers smiley...

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

lol:
from
www.houstonprofootball.com

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

brings tears to my eyes.. laughing and remembering.. I wish we had that smiley when he was still coaching here...esp. with a Texans hat on top of it ...

scourge
01-31-2006, 09:22 PM
yeah, Kippy did wonders with Corey Bradford... :rolleyes:

Nighthawk
01-31-2006, 09:52 PM
What do you think it says to other assistant coaches when they see a 24 year old Shanahan getting a job. I do not blame Bates one bit for control when he looks at what his future cohorts on the staff look like.

True dat. Why is Kubiak going this route? I would have no problem hiring this Shanahan Redux as a quality control guy, or some other similar status, just to be nice to Mike, but any receiver worth a nickel is not going to be thrilled to work under this kid. He's 23, which would be fine if he'd been the world's finest receiver and broke a leg or something, or it would be fine if he was 43 and had proven himself as a coach in the NFL ranks, but for heaven's sake, he's 23, played college ball at Texas (right?) where he held the bench against all comers. At least that's my understanding.

So, exactly where/what are his credentials? Add him to an OC with exactly 16 games of NFL offense experience and you begin to see a pattern in these hires.

Nighthawk
01-31-2006, 09:54 PM
The way I see it is that Shanahan has been around football his entire life. I'm sure from the time he could crawl his father was preaching X's and O's and diciplin to him. I'll give him a chance before tossing him his pink slip... besides.. Alexander the Great conquored the known world by the time he was 25...

You're probably the same guy that wants to give David Carr yet another chance. You guys sure are generous. I admire that.

jacquescas
01-31-2006, 09:55 PM
how does shanahan get younger and younger by the post? i think he started at 26 and has progressed all the way down to 23. can i have what he is having?

Frankly he is 26, he is going to be the recievers coach, He has NFL experience and pedigree, so why is everyone freaking out? Does age make that big a deal?

Nighthawk
01-31-2006, 09:57 PM
how does shanahan get younger and younger by the post? i think he started at 26 and has progressed all the way down to 23. can i have what he is having?

Frankly he is 26, he is going to be the recievers coach, He has NFL experience and pedigree, so why is everyone freaking out? Does age make that big a deal?

He has NFL experience? You mean as a player? Or as a ball boy? And his age is reported widely as 23 not 24, though I don't know which is correct.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 10:00 PM
how does shanahan get younger and younger by the post? i think he started at 26 and has progressed all the way down to 23. can i have what he is having?

Frankly he is 26, he is going to be the recievers coach, He has NFL experience and pedigree, so why is everyone freaking out? Does age make that big a deal?

Apperantly age is the deteriminig factor, in regards to if somebody can caoch. Iregardless if his former coach (a coach with a SB ring, no less) praises him, there were no WRs in Tampa screaming that he was in ***** and to young to caoch, and was accepted into one of America's top university's (Shanahan went to Duke initally).

The only guy that would please some of these people would be a cross of Lombardi and Rice for WR coach.:brickwall

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 10:01 PM
how does shanahan get younger and younger by the post? i think he started at 26 and has progressed all the way down to 23. can i have what he is having?

Frankly he is 26, he is going to be the recievers coach, He has NFL experience and pedigree, so why is everyone freaking out? Does age make that big a deal?

Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast!

Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch!

Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?

Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart!

Ron Burgundy: I saw that! Brick killed a guy! Did you throw a trident?

Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident!

Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.

Texans_Chick
01-31-2006, 10:01 PM
Chick Harris is back. (crickets)

Well that is a little rude.

Chick Harris Bio (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches_detail.php?PRKey=180)

His bio ain't bad. Lots of experience.

And his players seem to like working with him--even with injuries to our starting RB, the backups seem to do just fine.

And for those excited about the prospect of Reggie Bush, so is Chick. I was at a clinic he taught and someone asked about Bush. Chick said nice things about the existing players, and without specifically talking about Bush (he hadn't declared), Chick said with a HUGE smile, "hey I am ALWAYS looking for more playmakers."

It was interesting seeing him break down film--he did a lot of talking about the zone blocking thing and showed how DD was improving in hitting the holes. And also showed how it is so timing specific--that if DD is slow getting to a particular spot on the field, a particular play won't work right because the defenders don't move where you want them to.

Anyhow, I think he is a good guy to have on the team. IMO, his style is very father-figure like--which is not a bad thing to have some of on a team of very young players. (well, and young coaches, for that matter). :)

Nice to keep somebody from offense, defense and ST because then you haven't completely erased your knowledge base about the players and have to start completely from scratch. You have some folks that knows the good and the bad some. This is not to say that the new coaches can't give the old players a new start, but it is much easier to deal with a situation if you have some knowledgable folks so that you have a bit of a head start learning about your personnel.

So there you go. :texflag:

Texans_Chick
01-31-2006, 10:05 PM
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident!

Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.


LOL!!!

Stay classy, KT! :cool:

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 10:05 PM
He has NFL experience? You mean as a player? Or as a ball boy? And his age is reported widely as 23 not 24, though I don't know which is correct.

He was born in 79, which puts him at 26.

December 14, 1979.

Wolf
01-31-2006, 10:06 PM
Kyle Shanahan
No. 87
WR • 6-3 • 185
Sr.-1L
Englewood, Colo. (Cherry Creek/Duke)

Personal
Born 12/14/79 in Minneapolis … a youth and community studies major … earned a spot on the Athletics Director’s Honor Roll in spring 2001 … named to the Fall 2000 Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll … father, Mike, is a veteran NFL coach who has led the Denver Broncos to two Super Bowl victories (1998, ’99) … aspires to be a coach himself … wears No. 87 in honor of Broncos wide receiver Ed McCaffery.

not that it matters.. that makes him 26

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/bios02/shanahan_kyle.html

Wolf
01-31-2006, 10:08 PM
Kyle Shanahan
Wide Receiver
University of Texas Longhorns
6:01.2-181
Englewood, Colorado

Mature athlete with the savvy to gain advantage over the defender coming off the line...Uses his hands well to escape the jam...Shows the balance and body control to get in and out of his patterns quickly...Has a good field position awareness and is able to come back for the off-target passes...Aggressive blocker with the strength to sustain, staying with the defender downfield in order to create lanes for the team’s other receivers...Adjusts well to changes in the secondary slipping through the zone...Very comfortable playing the inside slot…Began his career at Duke, transferring to Texas in 2000…A student of the game, he was a solid contributor in the team’s five-receiver formations, finishing his Longhorn career with 14 receptions for 127 yards (9.1 avg)…Including eleven contests at Duke, he totaled 27 catches for 300 yards (11.1 avg) during his collegiate career.

http://www.seahawks.com/arprintdisplay.aspx?ID=2419

I wasn't looking for this, but someone mention shedding blocks and such

Lucky
01-31-2006, 11:27 PM
Well that is a little rude.

Chick Harris Bio (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches_detail.php?PRKey=180)
Well, it is when it stands alone in a quote. I don't have anything against Coach Harris. But you have to admit, there wasn't much buzz about him (pro or con) when names were tossed out during the season about which assistants should stay or go. I remember you & I (among others) discussing how much we wanted Marciano to stay, specifically.

I'm not saying Harris hasn't done a good job, just that he didn't register emotionally with the fanbase. If Harris is good enough for Coack K, that's good enough for me.

aj.
02-01-2006, 07:41 AM
I don't think the majority of the fan base loses much sleep over the namings of the position coaches.

Ask an average fan to name the assistant coaches on their favorite team. Most might be able to name the coordinators on offense, defense, and special teams. Those guys usually get a lot of ink and pub.

Ask the average fan to name the assistant coaches for the offensive line, tight ends, linebackers, d-line, secondary, quality control, and running backs. These guys typically toil in obscurity and if anything is being said about them, it's usually because their units are doing poorly. Even then, it's typically the coordinators catching the heat, and rightfully so.

Does anyone really believe that in the past few years the names Olivadotti, Harris, Roman, Oden, Marshall, Marciano (the other one), and Sutulovich would easily roll off the tongues of the average Texans fan? Hoke is probably the lone exception of noteriety because his name was being thrown around after the '04 season for a few jobs elsewhere, but even then, you really need to be following the team to know some of these guys.

I've heard that the players - and not just the RBs - really like Chick. He demands a lot from his players but he's also a cut-up who keeps things loose. He has spent most of his career coaching RBs. Some may not know that he was actually an offensive coordinator with the Rams several years ago.