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Mario Williams
01-30-2006, 10:09 PM
I thought it would be posted here already, Mark Berman just announced the hiring of like 6 coaches for us. I forgot the names.

HardKnockTexan
01-30-2006, 10:11 PM
and they are...???

talk about a cliff hanger of a thread....

mexican_texan
01-30-2006, 10:13 PM
I thought it would be posted here already, Mark Berman just announced the hiring of like 6 coaches for us. I forgot the names.
FSN was cut off on my satelite because I was watching the ROX on an alternate and Hockey was on FSN SW. They said they had Gary Kubiak.

Mario Williams
01-30-2006, 10:15 PM
No fools, they named a bunch of coaches...

1 was someone from the Oilers

i remember 2 now, Sherman and Shanahan i think

there was more.

Bubbajwp
01-30-2006, 10:18 PM
kyle shanahan and Troy Calhoun. Also we are keeping our old RB coach.

Texans Pride
01-30-2006, 10:18 PM
Wouldn't you be sure if you had heard Sherman?

mexican_texan
01-30-2006, 10:18 PM
No fools, they named a bunch of coaches...

1 was someone from the Oilers

i remember 2 now, Sherman and Shanahan i think

there was more.
homepage sez shanahan and calhoun.

Bubbajwp
01-30-2006, 10:19 PM
Wouldn't you be sure if you had heard Sherman?
They didnt say anything about sherman.

Texans_Chick
01-30-2006, 10:19 PM
kyle shanahan and Troy Calhoun. Also we are keeping our old RB coach.

Chick Harris?

Mario Williams
01-30-2006, 10:19 PM
kyle shanahan and Troy Calhoun. Also we are keeping our old RB coach.

Yes, our old RB coach too.

Mario Williams
01-30-2006, 10:20 PM
Chick Harris?

YOU GOT IT!!! Good job.

Mr. White
01-30-2006, 10:30 PM
Southwest Sports Report is being re-broadcast at 12:30 AM CST. Guess I'll try to catch it then.

Mario Williams
01-30-2006, 10:31 PM
We are hiring a bunch of unknown coaches... bad or good?

Mr. White
01-30-2006, 10:36 PM
For now, I'm thinking it's good. He seems to be getting guys that are on the same page with him. I trust him not to bring in a bunch of hacks.

mexican_texan
01-30-2006, 10:37 PM
We are hiring a bunch of unknown coaches... bad or good?
would you rather have the mooch, Butch Davis, or Dennis Franchione?

Mario Williams
01-30-2006, 10:42 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2378

y Calhoun (OC) and Kyle Shanahan (WRs) are officially in the fold, and Chick Harris (RBs), Jon Hoke (DBs), and Joe Marciano (ST) are staying put.

HardKnockTexan
01-30-2006, 10:47 PM
still no DC....

Mr. White
01-30-2006, 10:49 PM
still no DC....

It seems like Jim Bates is our last hope. I think I heard we talked to him Friday.

HardKnockTexan
01-30-2006, 10:54 PM
It seems like Jim Bates is our last hope. I think I heard we talked to him Friday.

have any info on Bates as far as his nfl expierence is concerned?

Errant Hothy
01-30-2006, 11:00 PM
It seems like Jim Bates is our last hope. I think I heard we talked to him Friday.

DOn't expcet Bates to get teh DC job. He wants complete control over the D coaching staff and Kubes said he sin't going to do that. Sorry.

Scott D
01-30-2006, 11:01 PM
Are we keeping our special teams coach? Vic I think?

Mr. White
01-30-2006, 11:06 PM
Are we keeping our special teams coach? Vic I think?

Joe Marciano. Vic Fangio is probably headed to Miami with Capers.

Mr. White
01-30-2006, 11:09 PM
Is it just me or does it seem kinda odd that we're not talking to college coaches for the DC job?

texanfan2002114
01-30-2006, 11:21 PM
It seems like Jim Bates is our last hope. I think I heard we talked to him Friday.


According to Berman, the Texans are close to hiring Richard Smith (co-dc in miami now) to coach LB and maybe Co-DC. As far as Bates, the Texans will not be hiring him because he wants total control of the defensive side of the ball and also wants to hire his own defensive people. That would mean that Hoke would get fired.

Grid
01-31-2006, 12:21 AM
Maybe there is a personality conflict between McNair/Kubiak and Bates.. and that is the real reason why he isnt getting the job.. but.. does anyone else find it odd that we would choose to keep a DB coach over hiring a DC that has had top ten defenses for every year that he DCed a team?

There has to be a LOT more to the story than "he wont keep hoke"

TexansCM
01-31-2006, 07:21 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2312895

Kyle Shanahan hired to coach Texans receivers

HOUSTON -- Two coaches with ties to Broncos coach Mike Shanahan were hired by the Houston Texans on Monday, including Shanahan's son.

Kyle Shanahan, 24, will coach Houston's receivers under new Texans coach Gary Kubiak, who was Mike Shanahan's offensive coordinator in Denver for 11 seasons.

The Texans also hired Troy Calhoun as their new offensive coordinator. Calhoun served as the assistant to the head coach in Denver last season.

Kyle Shanahan has worked the past two seasons as the offensive quality control coach in Tampa Bay. He graduated in 2003 from the University of Texas after playing wide receiver for the Longhorns' football team. He worked one season as a graduate assistant at UCLA and joined the Buccaneers' staff before the 2004 season.

Before moving to Denver, Calhoun, 39, was the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest from 2001-02. The Demon Deacons led the Atlantic Coast Conference in total offense in 2002 with 408.1 yards per game.

Calhoun became a defensive assistant in Denver in 2003 and was an offensive assistant and coached the Broncos' special teams in 2004.

The Texans also announced Monday they have retained special teams coach Joe Marciano, defensive backs coach Jon Hoke and running backs coach Chick Harris.

Nothing on Sherman.

Sportsfan
01-31-2006, 08:09 AM
As for DC, could they be possibly waiting for someone from the Seahawks or Steelers?
Would it have been possible to be talking to someone in either organization while they've been preparing for the Super Bowl?
:hmmm:

TheOgre
01-31-2006, 08:24 AM
Maybe there is a personality conflict between McNair/Kubiak and Bates.. and that is the real reason why he isnt getting the job.. but.. does anyone else find it odd that we would choose to keep a DB coach over hiring a DC that has had top ten defenses for every year that he DCed a team?

There has to be a LOT more to the story than "he wont keep hoke"

I think it is more about who has control of the defense than about Hoke. Kubiak doesn't want an black box defense that he has little say over. That appears to be the issue.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 09:09 AM
Per Mr McClain ion teh Chorn's website
Kubiak is waiting to hear if former Green Bay coach Mike Sherman will accept his offer to become assistant head coach and offensive line coach. Sherman is expected to decide within the next couple of days.

Kubiak is closer to working out a deal to hire Richard Smith as linebackers coach and possibly defensive coordinator. Smith was Miami's co-defensive coordinator last season.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3624159.html

Can't say I'm surprised about Smith just becoming a solo DC, ans I still hope Sherman joins the staff.

And another team says no to Bates, per www.kffl.com

Bills | Team reaches an agreement with Fewell
Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:02:47 -0800

Mark Gaughan, of the Buffalo News, reports Perry Fewell, defensive backs coach for the Chicago Bears, reached an agreement in principle to become the new defensive coordinator for Buffalo Bills head coach Dick Jauron, according to NFL and Chicago sources. It's probable that Fewell would adopt a defensive style similar to the one used by head coach Lovie Smith in Chicago, which is similar to the zone-coverage system employed by Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy.

I'm begining to think that either Bates is being an *** in his interviews or that he might be a tad overrated.

cadahnic
01-31-2006, 09:29 AM
I dont think Bates is overrated, but it is no secret that he wants full control of the D. His demands for a D. Coordinator are a little much by some standards. He is also a little bitter as far as not getting a coaching job.

texan279
01-31-2006, 09:32 AM
from kffl.com

Texans | Harris retained as assistant coach
Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:14:53 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have retained running backs coach Chick Harris.

Hardcore Texan
01-31-2006, 09:35 AM
I think our DC is coming out of Seattle, that is why we haven't heard. They have two good candidates, the LB coach and the D-Line coach.

bigTEXan8
01-31-2006, 09:38 AM
Well, can Chuck Harris really be all that bad? I mean, DD had close to having 3 1,000 yard seasons, usually productive. Where DD didn't perform so well in blocking, he more than made up for it in the rest of his game. I don't see this as a bad thing, or necessarily a good thing.

cadahnic
01-31-2006, 09:40 AM
Chick Harris is not that bad he has DD ranked 7th in all purpose yrds for a RB in his first 3 yrs.

edo783
01-31-2006, 09:48 AM
Keep in mind that Kubes has learned from Shanahan for the last 10 years or so and Shanahan does NOT give up controll over anything. He is very involved in everything. Not running it, but has final controll. Kubes set up the game plan/scheme and called the plays, but Shanahan had the final say. I would expect Kubes to operate exactly like that and that is most likely what Bates doesn't want so they have a difference of opinion on how they would operate and and if Bates isn't willing to accept that sort of operating enviroment, then Kubes is spot on in not bringing him in.

HoustonFrog
01-31-2006, 10:06 AM
DOn't expcet Bates to get teh DC job. He wants complete control over the D coaching staff and Kubes said he sin't going to do that. Sorry.

Maybe we could get Ted Catrell

Porky
01-31-2006, 10:14 AM
Does anyone else find it strange that we are going to have a 24 yr old WR coach?

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 10:17 AM
Does anyone else find it strange that we are going to have a 24 yr old WR coach?

I am struggling to date with the staff, but want to wait till I see it as a whole before I comment.

TEXANS84
01-31-2006, 10:20 AM
I am struggling to date with the staff, but want to wait till I see it as a whole before I comment.

The Patriots are going with a 28 year old offensive coordinator. As long as they can get the job done, I really don't care about the age.

Grid
01-31-2006, 10:26 AM
Richard Smith does nothing for me. He screams "5th choice".

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 10:28 AM
Does anyone else find it strange that we are going to have a 24 yr old WR coach?

Bosotn hired a 29 yr old GM, easily a position with more power and responsibilty then a WR coach, espically a WR coach under Kubiak. If Chucky felt confident enough to hire him before Kubes did, I'm ok with it.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 10:32 AM
Richard Smith does nothing for me. He screams "5th choice".

I gotta disagree with you there, Smith (and Bush) was likely the first choice. The more the hiring processplays out the more im certain that Kubiak is going to have a hand in everything, not just the offense. And I think somebody he knows for the D, somebody that he cansult with and maybe pick a few things up from; not somebody who is going to run teh D independant of the rest of the team which means no Bates, no Gray and porbally no big name D coach.

I just wish Singaltary would atleast get an interview, hearing him miked up at the Senior Bowl really erased some of teh misgivings I had about his coaching ability.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 10:35 AM
The Patriots are going with a 28 year old offensive coordinator. As long as they can get the job done, I really don't care about the age.

Belichek and Brady vs Kubiak and Carr. I do care about age depending on the other parts. With Kubiak and Carr we have a first time HC and a QB that has not met expectations.

Once again I want to see what the other parts look like. If Sherman comes aboard I have no problem.

texan279
01-31-2006, 10:42 AM
Richard Smith does nothing for me. He screams "5th choice".

When Richard Smith was DC at Miami, Miami's defense was ranked 18th in the NFL last season in yards allowed per game per ours being ranked 31st in the NFL, and Miami's defense was ranked 17th against the run compared to our defense ranked at 32nd against the run. They were also ranked 14th in the NFL in points allowed per game compared to ours ranked at 32nd. I guess what I am trying to say is that honestly our defense cannot get any worse lol.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 10:46 AM
When Richard Smith was DC at Miami, Miami's defense was ranked 18th in the NFL last season in yards allowed per game per ours being ranked 31st in the NFL, and Miami's defense was ranked 17th against the run compared to our defense ranked at 32nd against the run. They were also ranked 14th in the NFL in points allowed per game compared to ours ranked at 32nd. I guess what I am trying to say is that honestly our defense cannot get any worse lol.

Agree with your objective look. However, was it Smith, Saban, talent, schedule, etc. Our defense is bad all around and I am not sure how much we will improve just off new coaching and system.

ccdude730
01-31-2006, 10:51 AM
nah, i bet were waiting for lebeau....yeah right.

well its pretty simple of who we want (kubiak needs to trust him, WANTS to be part of texans, play with players strengths - which means 34), but the hard part is finding him. and its not like we can get worse than last season - we could barely get pressure on the qb and tacklnig was horrible. if smith meets that then i wouldnt mind seeing him on the sidelines

texan279
01-31-2006, 10:58 AM
Agree with your objective look. However, was it Smith, Saban, talent, schedule, etc. Our defense is bad all around and I am not sure how much we will improve just off new coaching and system.

According to a site I checked, Miami had the toughest schedule in the NFL in 2005, their opponents winning percentage for 2005 was .547, highest in the NFL. They also beat Denver, Carolina, San Diego, and New England this past season. As far as talent goes, they have some solid talent in the front 7 and a superstar in Zach Thomas at the MLB spot, but they also had a rookie starting at LOLB and had some injury problems as a whole this past season.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 11:07 AM
According to a site I checked, Miami had the toughest schedule in the NFL in 2005, their opponents winning percentage for 2005 was .547, highest in the NFL. They also beat Denver, Carolina, San Diego, and New England this past season. As far as talent goes, they have some solid talent in the front 7 and a superstar in Zach Thomas at the MLB spot, but they also had a rookie starting at LOLB and had some injury problems as a whole this past season.

Good stuff. Upon a further look just from a statistical view the Dolphins regressed last year from 2004. Granted many changes took place. However, when you drill down by category our defense and Miami's were not that far apart.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4&_1:col_1=4&_1:col_2=15

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2004/regular?sort_col_1=4

texan279
01-31-2006, 11:19 AM
Good stuff. Upon a further look just from a statistical view the Dolphins regressed last year from 2004. Granted many changes took place. However, when you drill down by category our defense and Miami's were not that far apart.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4&_1:col_1=4&_1:col_2=15

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2004/regular?sort_col_1=4

In 04 Miami allowed 306 yards per game compared to 317 yards per game in 05. In 04 Miami allowed 22.1 points a game, in 05 they allowed 19.8 points per game, 15th in the NFL, so they actually improved there from 04 to 05. And by the way, we allowed 26.9 points a game in 05, last in the NFL.

infantrycak
01-31-2006, 11:20 AM
Granted many changes took place.

Lots of changes. 3 of 4 DLmen changed. 2 of 3 LB's changed. 3 of 4 DB's changed--by the way, one was another Texans reject, Travares Tillman who we let go to get McCree. Frankly, with 8 of 11 guys being new and doing as well as they did it is pretty impressive.

Grid
01-31-2006, 11:22 AM
nah, i bet were waiting for lebeau....yeah right.

well its pretty simple of who we want (kubiak needs to trust him, WANTS to be part of texans, play with players strengths - which means 34), but the hard part is finding him. and its not like we can get worse than last season - we could barely get pressure on the qb and tacklnig was horrible. if smith meets that then i wouldnt mind seeing him on the sidelines


According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL. That is the main reason I would like to switch to a 4-3. That, and it seems alot easier to get personel for the 4-3. You dont have to take a small DE and teach him to play out of the 3 point stance.

texan279
01-31-2006, 11:29 AM
According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL. That is the main reason I would like to switch to a 4-3. That, and it seems alot easier to get personel for the 4-3. You dont have to take a small DE and teach him to play out of the 3 point stance.

The Steelers defense was ranked 3rd in the NFL in total sacks in 05, the Chargers were 5th, and we ranked 14th if anyone can believe that. You also have to take into account how many teams run the 4-3 in the NFL versus the 3-4. There are what 4 or 5 teams that run the 3-4?

infantrycak
01-31-2006, 11:31 AM
According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL.

How do you come to that conclusion? Of the top 5 teams in sacks last year two are 3-4's--Pittsburgh and San Diego and one runs a lot of 3-4 looks--Miami. That would be an overreprentation of the 3-4 at the top end. New England has usually been up there as well but had a ton of injuries last year. Cleveland was the only 3-4 team in the bottom five and they just made the switch from a 4-3 last year so that isn't really unexpected. IMO one system or the other isn't inherently better, it is how it is coached and how it is played.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 11:33 AM
Quotes on K. Shanahan:

Chucky:
To be honest, I didn’t like Kyle Shanahan either the first three months that he was on the job (laughing). But I warmed up to him.

http://www.nflcoaches.com/StoryArchives/InsideLockerW9.asp

St Petersburg Times:
Jaguars rookie Matt Jones is among the most intriguing players drafted, a tremendous physical specimen who, because he played quarterback at Arkansas, has no experience at receiver since high school. But Gruden saw the potential early when he and Bucs assistant Kyle Shanahan helped turn the 6-foot-6, 242-pound Jones into a receiver at the Senior Bowl.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/20/Bucs/Lawrie_s_play_gets_co.shtml

more form last years scouting report:
Tampa Bay's offensive quality control coach Kyle Shanahan has spent time getting him (Matt Jones) extra reps and explaining the nuances of his new position throughout the week…

http://www.nfldraftscouting.com/seniorbowlreview.htm

The Bucs coaching staff has made accommodations for Jones. Offensive quality control coach Kyle Shanahan has been assigned to answer any and all of Jones' questions, from how to run a play to how to run a route. Gruden gave the players free time from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. Tuesday. Shanahan immediately walked over to Jones and scheduled a 1:30 p.m. study session.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=1975310

I hope that deos somehting to stop teh questions about why Kyle got the job, and damnit people I don't like defending Longhorns that much :D, but it's atleat a little obvious that Shanahan can do a few things as a coach.

ccdude730
01-31-2006, 11:34 AM
According to the stats.. the 4-3 defense is better at getting to the QB than the 3-4 defense in today's NFL. That is the main reason I would like to switch to a 4-3. That, and it seems alot easier to get personel for the 4-3. You dont have to take a small DE and teach him to play out of the 3 point stance.
well for a team like us who doesnt get a whole lot of sacks that other teams do - some might have the mentality that what we need sacks to be a successful defense. IMO sacks are an added plus because all we really need is pressure. once you combine pressure with complex looks thats what causes turnovers and kills your opponents drives.

but yes i agree it will be somewhat easier to get the personnel out there, but 1 offseason might be stretching it a little

Porky
01-31-2006, 11:48 AM
I'm still not comfortable with a 24 yr old as sole person in charge of a position. I think he would be great as an "assistant's assistant" if you will. Give him 2-3 years of seasoning, then put him in that role. A player is likely to take things to heart more from a guy who looks like he is old enough to have proven that what he is being told is right, a guy that can be looked up to, etc. When a rookie can come in, and see the guy coaching him has little to no experience, and is the same general age, I just don't see how that can be an asset.

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 12:10 PM
I'm still not comfortable with a 24 yr old as sole person in charge of a position. I think he would be great as an "assistant's assistant" if you will. Give him 2-3 years of seasoning, then put him in that role. A player is likely to take things to heart more from a guy who looks like he is old enough to have proven that what he is being told is right, a guy that can be looked up to, etc. When a rookie can come in, and see the guy coaching him has little to no experience, and is the same general age, I just don't see how that can be an asset.

What the hire says to me is that the WR's are in good shape based on Kubiak's film work and Kippy Brown getting a sniff as HC therefore Shanahan is hittng the ground running. The RB's are in good shape due to us resiging the RB coach. The Oline and Carr is where the issue resides. As along as Sherman comes in, I have no qualms.

GP
01-31-2006, 12:13 PM
ESPN Insider is claiming Jim Bates is 99% NOT coming here, and it was Kubiak who decided against it. I have copied and pasted the text for you below:

Bates willing to sit out: The weekend didn't do any more to convince Jim Bates, the recently departed Packers defensive coordinator, to take the Bills' defensive coordinator job. So Bills coach Dick Jauron will probably have to go in a different direction. Bates is frustrated. The head coaching job in Green Bay went to Mike McCarthy, and Bates thought he had a good offer to be the Texans' defensive coordinator, but Gary Kubiak decided to go in a different direction. The Bills' offer wasn't great, so Bates is willing to sit out two years -- the Packers would pay his salary -- until he finds something that interests him.

Hopefully this will stop the countless "...I hope Bates is still an option..." replies that I am reading. Bates is history. Not a candidate anymore.

Bates was the top candidate and something happened along the way that radically changed Kubiak's mind.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 12:15 PM
Bates was the top candidate and something happened along the way that radically changed Kubiak's mind.

Old news, the thing that changed Kubiaks mind was that Bates wanted complete control over teh D coaching staff, and Kubiak wouldn't give it to him.

It's in another thread around here somewhere.

nunusguy
01-31-2006, 12:17 PM
I'm still not comfortable with a 24 yr old as sole person in charge of a position.
I am far from young, but I actually prefer the idea of a young staff. Hey, he's probably very entusiastic, extremely ambitous, and if he's got any of his fathers genes hes probably very intelligent. But the clincher for me is what someone mentioned earlier in this thread, if Belacheck hires an < 30 guy to
be his OC, this guys age as a position coach is not a problem IMO.

GP
01-31-2006, 12:18 PM
I decided to make it its own thread because nobody is reading thorugh seven pages of posts to weed out the 999 irrelevant replies to find the 1 nugget that says what we both already knew.

I was posting it for the casually board member who isn't reading the fine print.

Anyways, Gray went to Redskins (which is what I'm bummed about) and looks like they are building a dream team of assistants and coordinators there.

jmerog
01-31-2006, 01:57 PM
Forgive my ignorance but....who is Jim Bates?

ccdude730
01-31-2006, 01:59 PM
Forgive my ignorance but....who is Jim Bates?
former DC from the packers

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 02:00 PM
Forgive my ignorance but....who is Jim Bates?

http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/bates_jim/

Porky
01-31-2006, 02:07 PM
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/051229)



INDIANAPOLIS - Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning.

Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons .

"I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground."

Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested.
Link (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/28/Sports/Bucs_assistant_arrest.shtml)

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 02:27 PM
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/051229)



INDIANAPOLIS - Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning.

Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons .

"I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground."

Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested.
Link (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/28/Sports/Bucs_assistant_arrest.shtml)

Any worse then a player getting got driving drunk, not paying child support, and the rest of the infractions commited by the last four years?

Is it any worse then Rudy T getting caught driving drunk?

I chaulk it up to young kud, stupid decison. I know I made some stupid calls at 23-24. Did you?

jmerog
01-31-2006, 02:31 PM
Thanks for the link. Sounds good to me. Anybody have a problem with him?

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 03:02 PM
Sign him up. I have no problem with people getting an opportunity and blowing it right out of the box. Drunk and arrested while at the combine, nice. Must be nice to know that nepotism or adopted nepotism is alive and well and somthing you can always fall back on. :rolleyes:

I am all for youth, energy and forgiving youthful transgressions, but this is just one year removed.

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 03:05 PM
Sign him up. I have no problem with people getting an opportunity and blowing it right out of the box. Drunk and arrested while at the combine, nice. Must be nice to know that nepotism or adopted nepotism is alive and well and somthing you can always fall back on. :rolleyes:

I am all for youth, energy and forgiving youthful transgressions, but this is just one year removed.

It's alos the only incident of it, would you prefer a big name coach with a Leonard Little type record?

If his name was Smith and everything else was the same, would you still hold your opinions about him? That he's too young and not a big name and not enough expeirence?

Kaiser Toro
01-31-2006, 03:10 PM
It's alos the only incident of it, would you prefer a big name coach with a Leonard Little type record?

If his name was Smith and everything else was the same, would you still hold your opinions about him? That he's too young and not a big name and not enough expeirence?

No I would not if it were Smith or whoever because then it just may be the merits of the resume rather than a last name. Kid yourself all you want that Shanahan was the best value at WR coach.

Anyone who gets drunk and arrested at the combine does not need to be on our staff.

HardKnockTexan
01-31-2006, 03:10 PM
Any worse then a player getting got driving drunk, not paying child support, and the rest of the infractions commited by the last four years?

Is it any worse then Rudy T getting caught driving drunk?

I chaulk it up to young kud, stupid decison. I know I made some stupid calls at 23-24. Did you?

Being drunk in public happens... I'm not the kinnda guy that gets all loud and beligerant... often atlesat.. but it's not even close to being on the same level as driving drunk. Passing out in public makes you look stupid, passing out while driving makes you look dead.. and many others dead...

jmerog
01-31-2006, 03:12 PM
Sign him up. I have no problem with people getting an opportunity and blowing it right out of the box. Drunk and arrested while at the combine, nice. Must be nice to know that nepotism or adopted nepotism is alive and well and somthing you can always fall back on. :rolleyes:

I am all for youth, energy and forgiving youthful transgressions, but this is just one year removed.



I say the drunker the better. Too bad theres no record of battering women to fall back on for him if he sobers up.

By battering i mean, of course, to dip in batter.

what..you thought...shame on you :)

jmerog
01-31-2006, 03:14 PM
Anyone who gets drunk and arrested at the combine does not need to be on our staff.


I agree. now shroomin' on the other hand...

Errant Hothy
01-31-2006, 03:14 PM
No I would not if it were Smith or whoever because then it just may be the merits of the resume rather than a last name. Kid yourself all you want that Shanahan was the best value at WR coach.

Anyone who gets drunk and arrested at the combine does not need to be on our staff.

It was fun, but were both to stubborn to come off our positions, it appears.:redtowel:

I think teh last name played a part, but I don't think it was the only/main part.

one more link:
http://www.coloradoan.com/news/coloradoanpublishing/Football2004/Broncos/season/100304_bucs.htm

infantrycak
01-31-2006, 04:38 PM
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

I'm a little surprised people judge others based on allegations or public reports so harshly. IMO more than half of America could have walked down the wrong sidewalk and been accused at PI at some point in there lives. Frankly, it is a cop's cop out for arresting anyone at night--argue with anyone, argue with the cop and you get a PI charge. And no, I have never had a PI charge, but somehow this doesn't seem like a factor IMO.

On the other hand, the fact that he is the son of a pretty darn good HC inclines me to grant the guy a couple virtual years of experience. Growing up in the business does pay benefits--ex. the Mannings and half the race drivers around.

Jack Bauer
01-31-2006, 04:57 PM
I'm a little surprised people judge others based on allegations or public reports so harshly.

Bravo.

bigTEXan8
01-31-2006, 05:42 PM
Don't know if this has already been started, but Troy Calhoun was just named OC of the Texans. Sorry, just turned on the TV for the first time today. Mods, go ahead and delete it if it's already been created.

southtexan
01-31-2006, 09:27 PM
Belichek and Brady vs Kubiak and Carr. I do care about age depending on the other parts. With Kubiak and Carr we have a first time HC and a QB that has not met expectations.

Once again I want to see what the other parts look like. If Sherman comes aboard I have no problem.
How can you say that Carr has not met expectations? It's very difficult to throw the football while you are on your back and with a linebacker on top of you. Carr progressed the 1st, 2nd & 3rd years, this past year he did not showed progression but we know why. I Guess Fabre ( the guy in Breen Bay) is a terrible QB.

MikeMc
02-01-2006, 01:58 PM
How does Kyle Shanahan get this position (other than name recognition)???

He barely played WR at CU & UT, and in 2003 was a grad Asst at UCLA, then he got a gig as the nose wiper and stripper-keeper-offer for TB Bucs, now he is an NFL position coach?

How would he be able to teach any of the Texans WRs anything?? AJ, HG, CB and JM had more receiving yards in one year than Kyle had in his entire NCAA career!!!

I'm sure AJ and the fellas will listen to him!

Why not sign Jerry Rice as a WR coach??

travfrancis
02-01-2006, 02:02 PM
as a cougar fan you should know that playing success does not always = coaching success

dtran04
02-01-2006, 02:04 PM
as a cougar fan you should know that playing success does not always = coaching success

Good One.

nunusguy
02-01-2006, 02:06 PM
How does Kyle Shanahan get this position (other than name recognition)???

The guy in the White House isn't there without his father's name, the leading
Dem candidate for prez in 2008 is not where she's at without her husband's
name.
Are you starting to get an inkling yet about how some things work in this country ?

MikeMc
02-01-2006, 02:13 PM
Umm, not talking about the country, just this one instance.

So you are all fine with this hire?? Not like the Texans need to get any decent coaches.

So why no outcry from all of the "we need more Black coaches"?? If this does not scream good ole boy system, then what does!?

Considering that the Texans' players are perdominately Black, and the city of Houston has a huge Black population (more so now that the Katrina refugees are here), then the team should at least have an equal representation.

How many Black coaches do the Texans have?? 1 (Chick Harris), 2 if you count the asst S&C coach. I guess that means they meet their quota.

michaelm
02-01-2006, 02:20 PM
Umm, not talking about the country, just this one instance.

So you are all fine with this hire?? Not like the Texans need to get any decent coaches.

So why no outcry from all of the "we need more Black coaches"?? If this does not scream good ole boy system, then what does!?

Considering that the Texans' players are perdominately Black, and the city of Houston has a huge Black population (more so now that the Katrina refugees are here), then the team should at least have an equal representation.

How many Black coaches do the Texans have?? 1 (Chick Harris), 2 if you count the asst S&C coach. I guess that means they meet their quota.


Jeeeeez...



that's all I had to say...

F-minus67
02-01-2006, 02:28 PM
I was just wondering, is Dan Reily still the strength and conditioning coach? I mean his name and his assistant coach are still listed on the offical website.

NFLforher
02-01-2006, 02:33 PM
kyle shanahan and Troy Calhoun. Also we are keeping our old RB coach.

Not good about the arrest.

nunusguy
02-01-2006, 02:35 PM
Umm, not talking about the country, just this one instance.
So you are all fine with this hire?? Not like the Texans need to get any decent coaches.
So why no outcry from all of the "we need more Black coaches"?? If this does not scream good ole boy system, then what does!?
Considering that the Texans' players are perdominately Black, and the city of Houston has a huge Black population (more so now that the Katrina refugees are here), then the team should at least have an equal representation.
How many Black coaches do the Texans have?? 1 (Chick Harris), 2 if you count the asst S&C coach. I guess that means they meet their quota.
I personally am for maximizing the number of black coaches on staff. I think the players relate better to black coaches since they are able to identify
more closely with them (most of the players atleast).
As a matter of fact, I would hope that it comes out that Kubiak has a Bro stashed away somewhere way back in his family tree. That would mean that he'd maybe be 63/64ths white, but for all practical purposes he'd be a black
guy who'd therefor be a more effective leader for his players.

NFLforher
02-01-2006, 02:42 PM
Denver Broncos quality control coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested for public intoxication after causing a scene outside the Have a Nice Day Cafe.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/051229)



INDIANAPOLIS - Bucs assistant coach Kyle Shanahan was arrested by Indianapolis police early Sunday morning.

Shanahan, 23, was transported to the Arrestee Processing Center. His release was ordered after he appeared in court Sunday and was charged with misdemeanor intoxication.

Shanahan was being "loud, belligerent and causing a scene" after being escorted from the Have a Nice Day Cafe at 2:07 a.m. Sunday, according to a report filed by Indianapolis Police Officer Eric B. Simmons .

"I could smell a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his person, his eyes were glassy and bloodshot and he was unsteady on level ground."

Simmons said he told Shanahan several times to quiet down but he persisted and was arrested.
Link (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/28/Sports/Bucs_assistant_arrest.shtml)


Not too bright either.


http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/paper410/news/2001/08/14/Sports/Receiver.Shanahan.Suffers.Severe.Leg.Injury-492102.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com


"Junior wide receiver Kyle Shanahan, who will make his Texas debut this fall after transferring from Duke and sitting out last season, suffered a severe leg injury last Saturday at his home in Colorado.

Shanahan was walking his dog when he leaped over a 3-foot fence, but he slipped and an iron fence rod speared his left leg.

Two hours of surgery were needed to repair Shanahan's quadriceps muscle. It left an 8-inch scar on the upper part of his leg."

bigTEXan8
02-01-2006, 02:47 PM
Hey, homeboy is 23. **** like that happens every once in a while. Get a little booze in ya...:yahoo:! The more fun, the better, that's what I always say. Whoever busted him is just a kill-joy.

I'm just joking. My thing has always been, if you are anyhow in the light of the public, drink and do your other stuff at home. That way, you can't get in trouble.

DomDavis
02-01-2006, 03:17 PM
How does Kyle Shanahan get this position (other than name recognition)???

He barely played WR at CU & UT, and in 2003 was a grad Asst at UCLA, then he got a gig as the nose wiper and stripper-keeper-offer for TB Bucs, now he is an NFL position coach?

How would he be able to teach any of the Texans WRs anything?? AJ, HG, CB and JM had more receiving yards in one year than Kyle had in his entire NCAA career!!!

I'm sure AJ and the fellas will listen to him!

Charlie Weis was arguably the best coach in college football this year, and he didn't even play a single down of football in college, much less professionally.

Believe it or not, you don't have to be a superstar to understand the game. You don't even have to play the game at a high level. Understanding the game (and being able to teach it) and being a great player are two things completely independent of each other. His lack of success as a college receiver is completely irrelevant to how well he does or doesn't understand the game.

Also, who cares if he's 24? I'm 21, and if some 17 or 18-year-old kid tries to teach me how to better do my job, I'm still going to listen to them. Age doesn't have anything to do with it. If the guy knows what he's teaching and can help me, I'll respect him and listen to him, even if he's 12.

BeerFan
02-01-2006, 03:24 PM
i like a coach that gets drunk and falls down. my kind of guy. play ball.

LBblitz
02-01-2006, 03:49 PM
Beerfan, I think your name give it away that you are a little biased:) ...however "I like where your head is at". party on wayne!

BigBull17
02-02-2006, 08:40 AM
Come on, who hasnt gotten tanked and arrested when they were 23? I did on many occasions. If I had good cash flow like he does, Id probubly do it more. Hard to fault the guy for being a kid.

Hardcore Texan
02-02-2006, 09:02 AM
Charlie Weis was arguably the best coach in college football this year, and he didn't even play a single down of football in college, much less professionally.

Believe it or not, you don't have to be a superstar to understand the game. You don't even have to play the game at a high level. Understanding the game (and being able to teach it) and being a great player are two things completely independent of each other. His lack of success as a college receiver is completely irrelevant to how well he does or doesn't understand the game.

Also, who cares if he's 24? I'm 21, and if some 17 or 18-year-old kid tries to teach me how to better do my job, I'm still going to listen to them. Age doesn't have anything to do with it. If the guy knows what he's teaching and can help me, I'll respect him and listen to him, even if he's 12.

Good point.... How many parents have to get their kids to show them how to use a computer. LOL

keyfro
02-02-2006, 09:19 AM
there are plenty of things that make a good coach...two things that certainly do not have any input on whether the guy is gonna be a good coach or not is race and age...i still do not understand why in this day in age race(especially) and age have importance on hiring or public opinion...who cares if the coach is white, black, asian, or hispanic...the look of a man isn't going to decide whether or not the players listen to him...his age isn't going to decide if the players listen to him...it's his character...it's his ability to lead...it's his ability to motivate and to show the guys in the locker room that he knows football...who cares what the people running the show look like?

The Preacher
02-02-2006, 09:40 AM
there are plenty of things that make a good coach...two things that certainly do not have any input on whether the guy is gonna be a good coach or not is race and age...i still do not understand why in this day in age race(especially) and age have importance on hiring or public opinion...who cares if the coach is white, black, asian, or hispanic...the look of a man isn't going to decide whether or not the players listen to him...his age isn't going to decide if the players listen to him...it's his character...it's his ability to lead...it's his ability to motivate and to show the guys in the locker room that he knows football...who cares what the people running the show look like?

Amen brother