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travfrancis
01-30-2006, 06:28 PM
Round One

1. Houston Texans - RB Reggie Bush

2. New Orleans Saints - QB Vince Young

3. Tennessee Titans - QB Matt Leinart

4. New York Jets - LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson

5. Green Bay Packers - DE Mario Williams

6. San Francisco 49ers - TE Vernon Davis

7. Oakland Raiders - LB AJ Hawk

8. Buffalo Bills - DT Haloti Ngata

9. Detriot Lions - QB Jay Cutler

10. Arizona Cardinals - RB DeAngelo Williams

11. St. Louis Rams - DB Michael Huff

12. Cleveland Browns - LB Chad Greenway

13. Baltimore Ravens - DE Tamba Hali

14. Philadelphia Eagles - LB Demeco Ryans

15. Atlanta Falcons - DE Mathias Kiwanuka

16. Miami Dolphins - DB Jimmy Williams

17. Minnesota Vikings - RB LenDale White

18. Dallas Cowboys - LT Winston Justice

19. San Diego Chargers - WR Santonio Holmes

20. Kansas City Chiefs - DT Brodrick Bunkley

21. New England Patriots - LB Bobby Carpenter

22. Denver Broncos - TE Dominique Byrd

23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - OT Marcus McNeill

24. Cincinnati Bengals - NT Gabe Watson

25. New York Giants - LB Dqwell Jackson

26. Chicago Bears - TE Leonard Pope

27. Carolina Panthers - RB Laurence Maroney

28. Jaxonville Jaguars - CB Tye Hill

29. Denver Broncos - S Ko Simpson

30. Indianapolis Colts - LB Thomas Howard

31. Pittsburgh Steelers - LB Manny Lawson

32. Seattle Seahawks - DB Antonio Cromartie

Round Two

33. Houston Texans - TE Marcedes Lewis

34. New Orleans Saints - OLB Kamieron Wimbley

35. New York Jets - OG Charles Spencer

36. Green Bay Packers - LB Ernie Sims

37. Oakland Raiders - TE Anthony Fasano

38. San Francisco 49ers - CB Ashton Youboty

39. Tennessee Titans - DT Claude Wroten

40. Detroit Lions - OT Jonathan Scott

41. Arizona Cardinals - QB Omar Jacobs

42. Buffalo Bills - OT Eric Winston

43. Cleveland Browns - DT Rodrique Wright

44. Baltimore Ravens - S Darnell Bing

45. Philadelphia Eagles - DE Elvis Dumervil

46. St. Louis Rams - LB Abdul Hodge

47. Atlanta Falcons - OG Nick Mangold

48. Minnesota Vikings - LB Roger McIntosh

49. Dallas Cowboys - LB Kai Parham

50. San Diego Chargers - OG Max Jean-Gilles

51. Miami Dolphins - WR Sinorce Moss

52. New England Patriots - CB Richard Marshall

53. Washington Redskins - DE Darryl Tapp

54. Kansas City Chiefs - WR Chad Jackson

55. Cincinnati Bengals - S Roman Harper

56. New York Giants - CB Kelly Jennings

57. Chicago Bears - LB AJ Nicholson

58. Carolina Panthers - WR Maurice Stovall

59. Tampa Bay Bucaneers - CB Cedric Griffin

60. Jacksonville Jaguars - DE Victor Andeyanju

61. Denver Broncos - OT Daryn Colledge

62. Indianapolis Colts - OT Ryan O'Callaghan

63. Pittsburgh Steelers - WR Martin Nance

64. Seattle Sehawks - OG Davin Joseph

Round Three

65. Houston Texans - C Greg Eslinger

66. Houston Texans - CB Jonathan Joseph

67. Green Bay Packers - RB Brian Calhoun

68. San Francisco 49ers - LB Parys Harlason

69. Oakland Raiders - DE Ray Edwards

70. Buffalo Bills - WR Derek Hagan

71. New York Jets - QB Brodie Croyle

72. Arizona Cardinals - OG Taitusi Lutui

73. Buffalo Bills - RB Joseph Addai

74. Detroit Lions - DT Joseph Mahelona

75. New England Patriots - DB Jason Allen

76. Philadelphia Eagles - OT Jeremy Trueblood

77. St. Louis Rams - TE Joe Klopfenstein

78. Cleveland Browns - WR Mike Haas

79. Atlanta Falcons - S Greg Blue

80. Dallas Cowboys - S Daniel Bullocks

81. San Diego Chargers - S Anthony Smith

82. Miami Dolphins - DT Orien Harris

83. Minnesota Vikings - CB DeMario Minter

84. Washington Redskins - DT Kyle Williams

85. Kansas City Chiefs - OT Andrew Whitworth

86. New England Patriots - NT Babatunde Oshinowo

87. New York Giants - OG Jason Spitz

88. Chicago Bears - DT Dusty Dvoracek

89. Carolina Panthers - DT Jonathan Lewis

90. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - LB Spencer Havner

91. Cincinnati Bengals - LB Gerris Wilkinson

92. Jacksonville Jaguars - S Pat Watkins

93. Denver Broncos - WR Hank Baskett

94. Indianapolis Colts - WR Demetrius Williams

95. Pittsburgh Steelers - DB Alan Zemaitis

96. Seattle Seahawks - LB Kevin Simon

Blake
01-30-2006, 07:49 PM
With Scott, and Winston available in the 2nd, and Whitworth, and Trueblood available in the 3rd, you couldnt get us a left tackle?

Take Bush. Thats fine. Take Lewis, thats great! But to take a center over a tackle like Whit, or Blood just sounds like a wasted pick.

YoungTexanFan
01-30-2006, 07:58 PM
With Scott, and Winston available in the 2nd, and Whitworth, and Trueblood available in the 3rd, you couldnt get us a left tackle?

Take Bush. Thats fine. Take Lewis, thats great! But to take a center over a tackle like Whit, or Blood just sounds like a wasted pick.

Even Pitts would start over a 3rd round tackle. The guards should be addressed at that point.

YoungTexanFan
01-30-2006, 08:00 PM
With Scott, and Winston available in the 2nd, and Whitworth, and Trueblood available in the 3rd, you couldnt get us a left tackle?

Take Bush. Thats fine. Take Lewis, thats great! But to take a center over a tackle like Whit, or Blood just sounds like a wasted pick.

You see, bush just screws all of our later round picks up.

BuffSoldier
01-30-2006, 08:01 PM
I would take a LT over Lewis and hope for Byrd in the 3rd. Hey that rymes.:cool: I really doubt that just because of the senior bowl that Byrd jumps Pope and Lewis.

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
01-30-2006, 08:01 PM
r u kidding me lienart bfor vince, vince might be 5-6 he throws side arm


duh

YoungTexanFan
01-30-2006, 08:02 PM
I would take a LT over Lewis and hope for Byrd in the 3rd. Hey that rymes.:cool:

I'm not too sure about that, Lewis is a top 15 talent.

Bush just messes up all of our picks. With a simple trade down we could address most of our needs with starter talent.

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
01-30-2006, 08:05 PM
With a simple trade down we could address most of our needs with starter talent.

y in the world do u trade down. were the worst team in football




ever think about it, two first round picks isnt as good as the # 1 pick

Blake
01-30-2006, 08:10 PM
With a simple trade down we could address most of our needs with starter talent.

y in the world do u trade down. were the worst team in football




ever think about it, two first round picks isnt as good as the # 1 pick

Historically, the team that trades down gets the better deal.

I think trading down is the best option, if you can find a partner not to far down.

YoungTexanFan
01-30-2006, 08:14 PM
With a simple trade down we could address most of our needs with starter talent.

y in the world do u trade down. were the worst team in football




ever think about it, two first round picks isnt as good as the # 1 pick

What are you thinking??

D'Brick in the 1st
Ko Simpson in the 2nd

both those players who would start, would not be better than bush who would split carries at best??

:brickwall

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
01-30-2006, 08:15 PM
you wouldnt get bush genius ever think about it

run-david-run
01-30-2006, 08:19 PM
With a simple trade down we could address most of our needs with starter talent.

y in the world do u trade down. were the worst team in football




ever think about it, two first round picks isnt as good as the # 1 pick
Exactly, if your the worst team in the league you probably have more holes then one good player can fix, thus, you trade down and get more players in the first 3 rounds, giving you more players in needed positions, god knows we have enough holes...

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
01-30-2006, 08:28 PM
and then ur loosing the best player in the nfl ever tried it yet no so y dont we try it next


that is if we still are the worst team with bush

Peldon
01-30-2006, 08:32 PM
...huh?

YoungTexanFan
01-30-2006, 08:34 PM
you wouldnt get bush genius ever think about it

Your new, so I'll just assume you have yet to read the 500 (no exaggeration) other post on why/why not to take bush.

In review: He will split carries at best; DD just got a new, hard to trade contract; RB is not a need on this team; Bush has not shown the ability to run up the middle; we will be setting our team back another year or so without addressing o-line with TOP talent early; Adrian Peterson will be the flavor of the offseason next year, regardless, I can see it now: DD, Bush, AP, Carr, AJ, and Mathis...how scary!!; we are running a zone scheme where later round backs succede.

That is just a summary of the last 3 months.

Again, I ask you, would you honestly take Bush over D'brick/Mario AND a Mercedes Lewis/Ko Simpson??

stonedtexansfan
01-30-2006, 09:59 PM
Lets look back at the chargers who have traded down in the last twice in the last 7 years. The chargers traded down with mike vick and drafted LT with the first pick, drew brees with the first pick of the second. Then they traded eli for phillip(who they're gonna trade for a first when they want) got a their kicker a starting DT with the first this year and a back-up with the pick. 4 starters for 2, 2 pro-bowlers verses 1, ill take that.

mexican_texan
01-30-2006, 10:26 PM
What are you thinking??

D'Brick in the 1st
Ko Simpson in the 2nd

both those players who would start, would not be better than bush who would split carries at best??

:brickwall
I've not seen Ko, but I don't know if he would start. I'm ready to give Glenn Earl staring rights, as he provided some of the best (basically only) highlights of the Defense. CC Brown is...ehhh....

Maddict5
01-31-2006, 07:26 AM
the only way we shouldnt trade down is if no1 above 5 wants to. other than that a trade would be the best thing ever for the texans

Spoda
01-31-2006, 07:41 AM
this is THE single most hyped over valued pick ever...why would you not trade it?

cadahnic
01-31-2006, 07:52 AM
YTF I am going to take this route big dogg. Mario Williams in the first off the trade down. Package the traded pick and another plus a next year low and get Eric Winston in the bottom of the first, second I take Ko Simpson. Third I take Nick Mangold and Jonathan Joseph, fourth I am torn Rocky McIntosh or David Thomas, fifth Freddie Roach or Ryan Cook. That is my preliminary, subject to change when I get to Indianapolis for the combine, but I am pretty content with that draft right there.

BigBull17
01-31-2006, 08:06 AM
this is THE single most hyped over valued pick ever...why would you not trade it?

If you cant get enough value for it. We will trade it if a team blows our balls off but it wont be traded just to get a couple extra picks. Its gonna be picks and a player or no go.

MorKnolle
01-31-2006, 01:25 PM
If you cant get enough value for it. We will trade it if a team blows our balls off but it wont be traded just to get a couple extra picks. Its gonna be picks and a player or no go.

Think of it like this, if we could only choose one player in this whole draft, who would you choose that you think will benefit our team the most? (yes, we obviously have more than one pick, but for this illustration just follow along). If you think Bush would be the best individual player for the team out of everyone in the draft, then you are going to require a very high price to trade down since you want Bush and you think he would improve our team the most, but you would be willing to trade down if you get enough in return (maybe this year's 2nd and 4th plus next year's 1st and 3rd or something along those line). If you decide that someone like Mario Williams, an OLineman (D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Eric Winston, whoever), or perhaps someone else (possibly Hawk or Jimmy Williams) would benefit the team more than taking Reggie Bush or Vince Young, then you'd be fine trading down for less of a price, since you'd prefer that lower player anyways and any extra picks you get are an added bonus. Then, maybe you'd be willing to trade down and add this year's 2nd and next year's 1st from that team. If you look at it that way, depending on how you view our current team and Bush or Vince, then you can figure out how much you need in order to trade off the #1 pick, and that is essentially what the management of our team needs to do, and then find an appropriate trade once they make that decision.

The other way you can look at trading down is kind of what I gathered from something that Casserly said on the radio a couple weeks ago. This somewhat assumes that you cannot evaluate a single guy as being the top guy that you really want, and are kind of stuck on deciding between a couple top guys. You evaluate all the guys at the top of the draft and put them into groups. The top group would be labeled the "franchise players", maybe guys like Bush if you think he will be a franchise RB, D'Brick if you think he is going to be a franchise-level LT, Mario Williams if you think he's going to be a franchise DE, etc. If you decide you really want one of these franchise-level guys but can't really decide who, take the best deal you can get and trade down as far as you can while ensuring that you get one of them (i.e. if there's 5 guys you label in this group trade down getting the best offer you can up to the #5 pick). If the next group of guys is pretty close in talent (maybe labeled as "perennial Pro-Bowlers" or something like that), and you'd be willing to grab one of them out of having the #1 overall pick, then once again figure out how far you can trade down while ensuring you get one of those guys, and then take the best deal you can find from there. This method assumes that a single guy in this top group doesn't really stick out at you (maybe you think Bush is the best RB prospect in the last 20 years, so you're sold on getting him at #1 unless a blockbuster trade is offered), but figuring it this way can give you an idea of where you can trade down and what you should expect in return, but again it kind of assumes that you do not have a definite idea of who your top guy is, and then you decide what level of guy you want to get out of this top pick (I assume most everyone would at least want to get one of the elite "franchise" level players since we have the #1 pick and this opportunity hopefully doesn't come around very often).

Obviously, the more you can get in a trade the better off you are regardless of what your opinion is, but if you really value Bush/Vince then you're going to demand a higher return on the trade and are less likely to find a trade partner. The team probably needs to stay in the top 4-6 picks if they are going to trade down, there is enough talent at the top this year that it would be foolish to trade way down in the 1st (like trading for Denver's #22 and #30 picks or something like that) and I don't think the fans would approve of trading that far down when there are some apparent studs at the top of the draft, including their local hero. The team needs to figure out who their top guy is that they think is going to be the absolute best selection for helping our team. If that's Bush or Vince, fine, draft them at #1. If it's someone like D'Brick or Mario, then look to trade down to #4/5 where they will still be available, and then take the best trade offer they can find to get there. Obviously Bush/Vince should command a high price at the #1 pick, but if you'd rather have Mario Williams than Reggie Bush and you think picking Mario is more valuable to overall success of the team than picking Bush, then you'd happily accept less of a trade to move down to #4/5 to grab Mario there. In my mind that is the best way to approach trading down.

dcarey20
01-31-2006, 04:36 PM
pretty good.

just to say a couple things, i see hagan as a late 1st rounder, and calhoun and addai as 2nd rounders because of team needs.