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MojoX
01-29-2006, 05:13 PM
"A sports talk radio station in Dallas this week reported the Houston Texans and Vikings are working on a trade involving receiver Troy Williamson. The Texans were interested in drafting Williamson last year and reported to be high on his potential."

http://www.startribune.com/507/story/211905.html
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Saw this at HPF, thought it might make for good/different discussion.

Marcus
01-29-2006, 05:18 PM
Well, let's see.

We give up the number one pick to the Vikings, and in return we get Williamson, their 1st & 2nd round picks this year, and their 1st and 2nd round picks next year . . .

. . . yeah, that'll work for me.

big homey
01-29-2006, 05:19 PM
Well, let's see.

We give up the number one pick to the Vikings, and in return we get Williamson, their 1st & 2nd round picks this year, and their 1st and 2nd round picks next year . . .

. . . yeah, that'll work for me.
Right...:ok:

nunusguy
01-29-2006, 05:20 PM
"A sports talk radio station in Dallas this week reported the Houston Texans and Vikings are working on a trade involving receiver Troy Williamson. The Texans were interested in drafting Williamson last year and reported to be high on his potential. "
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So within 48-72 hours of the time that Kubiak is announced as the Texans new HC, he's working on a trade with the Vikings for a WR ? OK

Napa Auto Parts
01-29-2006, 05:25 PM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush. i think i would like that Carr Bush AJ TO

powerfuldragon
01-29-2006, 05:26 PM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush.

cost us nothing but money and another season.

Marcus
01-29-2006, 05:28 PM
Right...:ok:

Signed,

Herschell Walker

nunusguy
01-29-2006, 05:32 PM
Well, let's see.
We give up the number one pick to the Vikings, and in return we get Williamson, their 1st & 2nd round picks this year, and their 1st and 2nd round picks next year . . .
. . . yeah, that'll work for me.
This would be a fun thing to kick around if it wern't so far fetched. What does
make it a bit of a teaser is that it is well known we were very interested in Williamson as our top Draft pick last April. But we have so many more needs
of a higher priority than a #2 WR, like a DE & MLB for our new 4-3 and on the O side we need another tackle and TE.

MojoX
01-29-2006, 05:35 PM
As someone at HPF suggested, if the Texans are after Williamson, they are likely trading away a player like DD. No way they are dropping that far off #1 (when you suck as bad as we have you better take one of the blue chippers) and no way do I see the Vikes trading Williamson away for a second or third.

Headlights of a Carr
01-29-2006, 05:36 PM
If we draft Reggie maybe we can trade DD for Williamson. I'm not real sure about the salary cap penalties or anything. But if we can do that I would do it.

Reggie is :superman:

bigTEXan8
01-29-2006, 05:37 PM
He might make a good #2 guy. As long as we don't give too much for him.

Headlights of a Carr
01-29-2006, 05:37 PM
As someone at HPF suggested, if the Texans are after Williamson, they are likely trading away a player like DD. No way they are dropping that far off #1 (when you suck as bad as we have you better take one of the blue chippers) and no way do I see the Vikes trading Williamson away for a second or third.


Exactly, we posted at the same time.:cool:

Marcus
01-29-2006, 05:38 PM
So what's with Williamson? Did he turn out to be a bust, or what?

Headlights of a Carr
01-29-2006, 05:39 PM
Shoot, let's trade Gaffney for Willamson.:drool:

stevo3883
01-29-2006, 05:39 PM
So what's with Williamson? Did he turn out to be a bust, or what?

he never really saw the field. I think he was either 4th or 5th on the depth chart.

certainly doesnt appear good enough for us to move out of the top 5.

Headlights of a Carr
01-29-2006, 05:40 PM
So what's with Williamson? Did he turn out to be a bust, or what?

Not real sure but Wr's take time to develop unless your name is Randy Moss.

dtran04
01-29-2006, 05:41 PM
AJ, Mathis, Williamson, and Bush lining up does look scary (on paper at least).

stevo3883
01-29-2006, 05:42 PM
AJ, Mathis, Williamson, and Bush lining up does look scary (on paper at least).


? we wouldnt have bush,...

powerfuldragon
01-29-2006, 05:46 PM
? we wouldnt have bush,...

sigh. don't turn this into another jailbait thread.

stevo3883
01-29-2006, 05:48 PM
sigh. don't turn this into another jailbait thread.


what are you talking about?

dtran04
01-29-2006, 05:51 PM
According to HPF, it would be for DD. (therefore being able to get Bush) But who knows.......this rumor doesn't make sense at this time.

jmerog
01-29-2006, 05:53 PM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush. i think i would like that Carr Bush AJ TO
Both Crazy and beautiful. the problem is the first bad game Carr has, TO would be talking smack and .....BAD
but if TO didn't loose his cool...WOW! unstoppable. provided we got an oline with the rest of our picks and a little d

dont forget DD

so thats Carr,AJ, BUSH, DD, T.O.--

ArlingtonTexan
01-29-2006, 05:55 PM
what are you talking about?

Unfortunately, if you mention Bush or Young in a thread people take an otherwise worthwhile thread and run with it to make the same arguments that have been stated for the last at least three weeks.

Bubbajwp
01-29-2006, 05:59 PM
According to HPF, it would be for DD. (therefore being able to get Bush) But who knows.......this rumor doesn't make sense at this time.
If this did happen resigning Wells would be a must.

jmerog
01-29-2006, 06:00 PM
Oh,and mathis and armstrong

mexican_texan
01-29-2006, 06:03 PM
Williamson is fast and had some good catches last season. So why was he not higher in the depth chart?

Napa Auto Parts
01-29-2006, 06:04 PM
Koren Robinson Looked to good last years and never really let troy develop

BradK10
01-29-2006, 06:07 PM
holy hell we would have so much speed it'd be ridiculous

Bubbajwp
01-29-2006, 06:07 PM
Koren Robinson Looked to good last years and never really let troy develop
Not to mention Marcus Robinson and Nate Burleson

mexican_texan
01-29-2006, 06:10 PM
holy hell we would have so much speed it'd be ridiculous
The only thing faster than our WRs would be........:yahoo:

Samer
01-29-2006, 06:16 PM
Williamson is good, would make a real good 2nd receiver. Isn't Koren Robinson a FA, if he is why not go after him and no need to loose a DD or someone like him, unless we get rid of a couple dead weight

Texans>Colts
01-29-2006, 06:20 PM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush. i think i would like that Carr Bush AJ TO

There is no way T.O is coming here. that would b a bad move. Sure he has talent but he is the biggest pain in the *** the NFL has. He will ruin the clubhouse, yell at carr and the rest of the team, and do all kinds of bad things. We don't need him

Texans>Colts
01-29-2006, 06:22 PM
I think this would b a tremendous trade. Horrible 4 the vikings. I'll take an extra 2nd round pick this year and an extra 1st and 2nd next year plus troy williamson who has talent 2 b a top 10 WR in about 5-6 years

Grid
01-29-2006, 06:26 PM
I could see us trading something like Domanic Davis and one of our 3rd rounders for Troy Williamson (he is a young player that was drafted high..he isnt cheap)

It would be a great trade for us if it went like that.. though I would HATE to see Domanick Davis go.. it would open the door for Bush and make the pick more acceptable to people.

Troy Williamson is a south carolina alum, so im not surprised that we could be making a move for him.. Mr. McNair keeps an eye on his USC grads.

Honoring Earl 34
01-29-2006, 06:28 PM
:yahoo: PBuch and a 5th round pick for Troy Williamson .

Grid
01-29-2006, 06:30 PM
:yahoo: PBuch and a 5th round pick for Troy Williamson .

hah...yah.. and tell them we will throw in a couple of season tickets to the Houston 1836 :P

powerfuldragon
01-29-2006, 06:31 PM
holy hell we would have so much speed it'd be ridiculous

we'd have more speed than an arkansas trailer park.

Apoch
01-29-2006, 06:37 PM
we'd have more speed than an arkansas trailer park.

...and when Madden '07 comes out, everyone will want the Texans for that WR speed (provided the game is as speed oriented as it is now).

I admit that I have played the Texans since '05 because of their receivers (and DD who is the best RB receiver outside of LT). If the Texans have that many players with 94+ speed they would just be unstoppable on offense. Shotgun 4 wide bunch all day long! :ok:

Grid
01-29-2006, 06:38 PM
Not that it matters... but the Viking fans seem to be VERY interested in a trade involving Domanick Davis for Troy Williamson.

BradK10
01-29-2006, 06:38 PM
we'd have more speed than an arkansas trailer park.

ha ha ha, winner

edo783
01-29-2006, 06:44 PM
We trade DD for Williamson the VY crowd will be opening a vein as that makes it a lead pipe cinch we take Bush.

Grid
01-29-2006, 06:52 PM
I dunno.. on the one hand.. getting Williamson would be great.. and if we ARE going to take Bush.. then dealing Domanick Davis doesnt sound terrible (much as id hate to see him leave)

On the other hand.. this deal would probably involve Davis and one of our picks (probably one of our thirds since we have the top two in that round).. and I just dont know... it makes our situation MORE precarious if you think about it.

Getting Williamson would not help the problems with our offense.. and losing one of our first day picks would make it more difficult for us to address all of those problems. Additionally.. losing Davis would mean that if Bush DIDNT work out.. we have nothing at RB. On the other hand.. the Denver system doesnt necessarily require a superstar at RB to function..so it may not hurt us THAT much.

I also imagine that this deal would require us to take over Williamson's contract.. and Minnesota to take over Davis' contract... I wonder if the trade would help our cap or hurt it.

Wolf
01-29-2006, 06:52 PM
if I were for DD straightup, I'd jump all over it.. Wells and Vernon pretty much give us the same as DD rushing wise and receiving wise might be a different story, but with a trade like this we'd have a #2 WR and we'd still need a TE and OL to go with the Offense..

and yes and while I am dreaming,but if we worked a deal to move to #4 and gained the Jets #1 pick next year along with a 3rd this year.. I'd settle for 2 #1's next year to work with.

we'd end up with #4 overall..#2 and 3 #3's.. And out of that I'd love to see OL,TE,Defense and defense..

next year if Peterson had a big year and he declared.. work a deal next year for him

:drool:

Grid
01-29-2006, 06:54 PM
also... about Williamson taking over as our #2 WR... he wasnt able to do that in Minnesota.. even with Moss being gone. So he may not exactly be a huge upgrade over what we have. Not at this point in his career anyway.

jmerog
01-29-2006, 06:56 PM
What would our best 4 wide set be in yall's opinions...within the scope of possibility..or not, i dont care. To do 4 wide sets often (which i am for) we need an inpenatrable line. Imagine occasionaly running AJ in a tight end spot waddya think? do some crazy mix and matches just to screw up opposing D.C.'s

Aj
Mathis
Armstrong
T.O.

Bush/DD

Then throw it to Armstrong because he'll be open (and those HANDS!)

Like i said...crazy

Wolf
01-29-2006, 06:57 PM
also... about Williamson taking over as our #2 WR... he wasnt able to do that in Minnesota.. even with Moss being gone. So he may not exactly be a huge upgrade over what we have. Not at this point in his career anyway.


very true.. he has got to be better than bradford ..right?

jacquescas
01-29-2006, 06:59 PM
i think what the consensus is, that we would send the vikings a player, probably davis for williamson. then use Wells and Bush as a thunder and lightning combo

Grid
01-29-2006, 06:59 PM
If we manage to retain Gaffney (not a sure thing..considering his agent).. then we would be able to field an amazing group of receivers.

AJ
Williamson
Gaffney
Mathis
Bush

That is some major speed.. and Gaffney and Bush both have great hands.

with a good OC (HOORAY FOR KOOB!!!) we could create some amazing mismatches.

All we would need is an Oline that can pass block (hah)

Grid
01-29-2006, 07:00 PM
very true.. he has got to be better than bradford ..right?

Right now.. id bet he is very similar to Bradford. His upside is SOOOOOOOOO much better though.

Wolf
01-29-2006, 07:01 PM
http://vikingsmessageboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=9033

funny on some of the stuff

jacquescas
01-29-2006, 07:02 PM
and davis easily out gained mewelde moore, their leading rusher.Troy Williamson had 24 receptions for 372 yards and 2 TDs.

cadahnic
01-29-2006, 07:03 PM
Wow a trade for Willamson, I guess we do need another person to waste draft picks on this year. HOORAYYY!!!

jmerog
01-29-2006, 07:13 PM
If we manage to retain Gaffney (not a sure thing..considering his agent).. then we would be able to field an amazing group of receivers.

AJ
Williamson
Gaffney
Mathis
Bush

That is some major speed.. and Gaffney and Bush both have great hands.

with a good OC (HOORAY FOR KOOB!!!) we could create some amazing mismatches.

All we would need is an Oline that can pass block (hah)
Hey grid, what about armstrong's hands? That guy is a glue stick. He's not as fast as the others but sure hands count for something dont they?
I'm interested in your opinion on this.I Think Armstrong has been way undervalued and under used and would place him close to Gaffney in value.All the guy does is catch balls. The only thing that places Gaffney ahead in my count is experience and route running. Good post BTW

Johnny Utah
01-29-2006, 07:17 PM
http://vikingsmessageboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=9033

funny on some of the stuff

Wow! Viking fans are retarded. One guy said he would take Babin and Wong for Williamson, and another said he would trade for Babin strait up.

I'm all for those trades.

Grid
01-29-2006, 07:19 PM
I agree with ya.. I love Armstrong and im glad we have him because we will need him if we arent able to re-sign Gaffney.

I think you are right..he has great hands.. he also has a great verticle leap and isnt afraid to go after the ball.

But as you said, Gaffney is the better route runner.. id also say that Gaffney has hands that are just as good. I dunno if he is quite as athletic as armstrong when it comes to grabbing the ball out of the air..but he doesnt have to be cause he is good at getting open.

All in all.. if I had to choose between the two (and we most likely will have to here pretty soon).. ill take Gaffney. He has the hands..he has the route running.. and more importantly.. he is one of our draft picks, and is younger than Armstrong.

Unfortunatly with Rosencrap as his agent.. we may be forced to pay too much for him if we want to keep him.. so Armstrong might be our slot receiver next season by default. We are pretty lucky to be have a receiver like Armstrong waiting in the wings.

Wolf
01-29-2006, 07:19 PM
Wow! Viking fans are retarded. One guy said he would take Babin and Wong for Williamson, and another said he would trade for Babin strait up.

I'm all for those trades.


yeah It was funny!

pskinny
01-29-2006, 07:20 PM
Damn, viking fans think Williamson's worth DD and draft picks? At least DD's a proven NFL player. What has Williamson done?

We might do it straight up. But if they want ANY draft picks, Casserly better say HELL NO!!!!

The Preacher
01-29-2006, 07:20 PM
Wow a trade for Willamson, I guess we do need another person to waste draft picks on this year. HOORAYYY!!!

Exactly trade away picks for another underperforming 1st rounder. "Are you going to find that kind of talent in the 2nd and 3rd....no". Then take Bush assuming we only gave them DD, A 2ND, and a 3rd("we had an extra why not?", pick up TO, and watch us still have the most inept offense in the league because of the 0-line. Oh wait that would rule because we could still blame it on Carr! :sarcasm:

Grid
01-29-2006, 07:21 PM
well Williamson was the #7 pick just last year.. he has only had one year in the league. He has all the physical tools and could become a beast with some coaching...if he takes to it.

Thats why he is still worth alot. If he had been in the league a few years and still wasnt a starting receiver...then yah... he wouldnt be worth it.. but since there is still so much room for growth..you have to pay a high price for him.

Johnny Utah
01-29-2006, 07:28 PM
well Williamson was the #7 pick just last year.. he has only had one year in the league. He has all the physical tools and could become a beast with some coaching...if he takes to it.

Thats why he is still worth alot. If he had been in the league a few years and still wasnt a starting receiver...then yah... he wouldnt be worth it.. but since there is still so much room for growth..you have to pay a high price for him.

I remember reading a scouting report on Williamson last year that he would take some time to develop since he was only a junior and in a mostly run oriented offense at Carolina.

pskinny
01-29-2006, 07:30 PM
well Williamson was the #7 pick just last year.. he has only had one year in the league. He has all the physical tools and could become a beast with some coaching...if he takes to it.

Thats why he is still worth alot. If he had been in the league a few years and still wasnt a starting receiver...then yah... he wouldnt be worth it.. but since there is still so much room for growth..you have to pay a high price for him.

They have Nate Burelson, Marcus Robinson, and Koren Robinson who was a surprise for them this year. Williamson is their number 4, he's expendable.

We have DD who's better than any RB on their roster, and has proven he can play in this league (something Williamson has not done yet). I'm sure behind a decent line like the Vikings DD can flurish, about 1300-1500 yards next year? I think that alone is worth the number 7 pick in last years draft. Especially since it was used on a position where they currently have a log jam. I don't see us trading any of our first day picks away. Maybe DD and a fourth, but considering our luck in the fourth round, make that DD and a fifth at most.....

MorKnolle
01-29-2006, 07:31 PM
I don't know why Minnesota would trade Williamson after only having him for one year and using the #7 overall pick on him. Obviously if they drafted him that high they saw something special in him, so if they're willing and looking to trade him after one season then apparently there is some kind of problem with him. I don't see Minnesota looking to trade him off, but if for some reason they are and we can give them the #1 pick and get this year and next year's 1st rounders plus their 2nd rounder this year and Williamson then I'd consider it as we can still go after a top OLineman with their pick and go after another one in the 2nd round (we could likely get Eric Winston in the 1st and Mangold or Davin Joseph in the 2nd to improve our OLine and still have a 2nd rounder left to use on defense).

They have Nate Burelson, Marcus Robinson, and Koren Robinson who was a surprise for them this year. Williamson is their number 4, he's expendable.

We have DD who's better than any RB on their roster, and has proven he can play in this league (something Williamson has not done yet). I'm sure behind a decent line like the Vikings DD can flurish, about 1300-1500 yards next year? I think that alone is worth the number 7 pick in last years draft. Especially since it was used on a position where they currently have a log jam. I don't see us trading any of our first day picks away. Maybe DD and a fourth, but considering our luck in the fourth round, make that DD and a fifth at most.....

Minnesota may be willing to trade Williamson for Domanick if the cap wasn't taken into account, but sending away their #7 overall pick after one season and both teams having to take the large cap hits for the trade would not make much sense for either team, although with your idea we could get Williamson and then still get Bush #1, although Bush would have to undertake a lot more of the running load with Davis gone. I don't see this trade happening either.

Johnny Utah
01-29-2006, 07:34 PM
Aren't the Vikings getting ready to trade Dante Culpepper also? They may need a QB.

jmerog
01-29-2006, 07:35 PM
Some goober on the viking msg brd was talking about what a great group a recivers we had and the first name he wrote was...anyone?..Corey Bradbord! HAHAHA. Corey Bradford! Funny stuff.

like ive said before bradford would be a great rickshaw puller and thats about all.

MorKnolle
01-29-2006, 07:37 PM
Aren't the Vikings getting ready to trade Dante Culpepper also? They may need a QB.

There has been speculation that they might be looking to trade Culpepper or at least entertain offers and see what they could get for him, nothing definite has really been said about that.

Big B Texan Fan
01-29-2006, 07:42 PM
Let me get this straight.
McNair and Reeves are U South Car Grads
Williamson is a SC grad. D-Rob is a SC grad.
I like D-rob, think he'll be one of the greats.
A trade for a SC grad is a bit fishy if you ask me. And we think they won't even take VY and he's from the town that lines his pockets.
A new owner and a 4 year owner making a trade??
And they already have 3 or 4 guys that are the quality of DD?
I don't see it happening like that, and I don't care what the article says.
They don't have a QB or they are reported to releasing Culpepper.
VY fans, This could be a trade for Carr for Williamson.

The Preacher
01-29-2006, 07:43 PM
well Williamson was the #7 pick just last year.. he has only had one year in the league. He has all the physical tools and could become a beast with some coaching...if he takes to it.

Thats why he is still worth alot. If he had been in the league a few years and still wasnt a starting receiver...then yah... he wouldnt be worth it.. but since there is still so much room for growth..you have to pay a high price for him.

I was kind of being harsh so let me say I would probably trade DD for Williamson straight up, especially if we drafted Bush. He does have a lot of potential and showed flashes of what he could become. DD is certainly injury prone, so much so that I wouldn't mind dealing him for decent value. I would maybe throw in a 3 to boot but I can't see them going for it because of his salary. I am glad DD got his money too because without him I can't imagine what the offensive output would have been the last couple of years. That said I doubt the vikes would want another injury prone runner, trade their 1st for our 4th round guy who's got some tread now. Obviously they would want more than A 3RD but we are talking about a FO that gave up our 1st day last year for PB. I imagine the FO's phones are ringing off the hook at this point...hear I go again.

huey
01-29-2006, 08:39 PM
"A sports talk radio station in Dallas this week reported the Houston Texans and Vikings are working on a trade involving receiver Troy Williamson. The Texans were interested in drafting Williamson last year and reported to be high on his potential."

http://www.startribune.com/507/story/211905.html
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Saw this at HPF, thought it might make for good/different discussion.
The trade might be Williamson for Carr, the Texans could then draft Vince Young. They might even get Brad Johnson in the trade. You guys already have a rb in Davis and after the trade you would have a starting receiver that would take some preasure off of Andre Johnson and a veteran qb in Brad Johnson that could start this year.The vikes may be getting rid of Culpepper and could be looking for a replacement. The Texans may have to throw a pick in the deal since Carr has one year left on his deal. The pick would probably be in next years draft.
There is no way the Vikes would give up two 1st and 2nd round picks for the Texans 1st pick this year.

aj.
01-29-2006, 09:23 PM
This rumor started a couple of weeks ago. Our own John McClain was being interviewed on a radio station somewhere and was asked if he thought the Texans would trade the first pick in the second round for Williamson. He said since they wanted him in the first round (last year), he imagined they'd do it in a heartbeat. Nothing was said about it being a possibility. Even if "the Texans" were interested in him last year, who's left on the staff that's interested in him now? If they really are considering trading for TW, that says Mathis isn't on track to be a starting WR - which I find a little hard to believe.

This is a Vikes thread about it from a couple of weeks ago.

http://feedback.kfan.com/topic.aspx?forum=EEE46B87-7034-47E1-A6DC-D05E20342F1B&topic=4B54FF95-50D1-4F28-9EB8-355629DFFADA

The Texans may have to throw a pick in the deal since Carr has one year left on his deal. The pick would probably be in next years draft.
Carr isn't going anywhere and officially he has zero years left on his deal until we find out more news - probably this week.

southtexan
01-29-2006, 09:27 PM
AJ, Mathis, Williamson, and Bush lining up does look scary (on paper at least).
I really like that group of players, the only problem I would see with that lineup is....will we have time to throw to them?

Marcus
01-29-2006, 09:31 PM
There is no way the Vikes would give up two 1st and 2nd round picks for the Texans 1st pick this year.

The Giants picked number 4, and look what they had to give up for the 1st pick to get Manning. Look at what position the Vikings pick this year. And remember, the Texans have the very first pick. It would very well take 2 first rounders and two seconds to make that Godfather deal that would be too good to pass on.

BradK10
01-29-2006, 09:33 PM
VY fans, This could be a trade for Carr for Williamson.

ha ha, man you kill me, just look for any little light that carr will be traded...i doubt it

BradK10
01-29-2006, 09:34 PM
Unless he has injury problems that i missed.

ha ha ha ha, does this guy not watch football?

Fiddy
01-29-2006, 09:35 PM
. . . that says Mathis isn't on track to be a starting WR - which I find a little hard to believe. Why do you find that hard to believe??? He played very little at WR last year and was injured quite a bit which probably slowed down the learning process. That's not even considering that guys coming from division I schools have a hard time making the transition to the pros and he is coming from a division II college program. I think Mathis will be a good WR one day, but not this upcoming year. You'll see flashes of brilliance, but you'll also see plays which make you scratch your head.

aj.
01-29-2006, 09:38 PM
I think Mathis will be a good WR one day...

So do I. That's why I said I found it a little hard to believe Mathis isn't on track to be a starting WR.

???

I would expect him to get Bradford's reps this season if he can keep his hammy's lubed.

Bronco Texan
01-29-2006, 10:33 PM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush. i think i would like that Carr Bush AJ TO


Last time I checked T.O. wasn't a FA and the the Eagles were letting his agent seek a TRADE. I doubt they'd take anything less then a 1st rounder for him. Then we would have to resign him to a new contract because if he doesn't want to play for the Eagles under his current one then why would he want to for the Texans? T.O. is just too much trouble.

TheOgre
01-29-2006, 10:39 PM
I'd take Williamson for DD straight up in a heartbeat, even if we don't draft Bush. Morency has basically the same skillset as DD with actually more potential upside. Heck Wells and Morency could be the equivalent of Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell, respectively.

DFAN
01-29-2006, 10:43 PM
"A sports talk radio station in Dallas this week reported the Houston Texans and Vikings are working on a trade involving receiver Troy Williamson. The Texans were interested in drafting Williamson last year and reported to be high on his potential. "
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So within 48-72 hours of the time that Kubiak is announced as the Texans new HC, he's working on a trade with the Vikings for a WR ? OK



I'm not saying the rumor is true. But Kubiak isnt the GM so they could had been working on it before he announced as the head coach. Do you think all football operations have shut down around the Texans facility every since they fired Capers?

Even though it would be against the rules they could had contacted Kubiak and asked his opinon on it.

Like I said I dont put to much into the report because there are a lot of rumors floating around this time of year. But it has nothing to do with wheather Kubiak was hired or not.

powerfuldragon
01-29-2006, 10:45 PM
I'd take Williamson for DD straight up in a heartbeat, even if we don't draft Bush. Morency has basically the same skillset as DD with actually more potential upside. Heck Wells and Morency could be the equivalent of Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell, respectively.


that, sir, is a ludicrous statement. DD is a thousand yard rusher behind an O-line that's about as solid as a snowcone in hell.

DFAN
01-29-2006, 10:46 PM
Last time I checked T.O. wasn't a FA and the the Eagles were letting his agent seek a TRADE. I doubt they'd take anything less then a 1st rounder for him. Then we would have to resign him to a new contract because if he doesn't want to play for the Eagles under his current one then why would he want to for the Texans? T.O. is just too much trouble.



He'll be cut if they dont trade him.

bigtex77
01-29-2006, 10:48 PM
I'm curious, I haven't seen USC play much over the past couple of years, but if we were to deal DD and draft Reggie, could Wells, Morency or a combo of both serve as the equivalent to LenDale White? You know, to give us that one-two punch that Bush/White gave the Trojans? I know that most don't thing Reggie can carry the ball 20 times a game, so could this work?

Bronco Texan
01-29-2006, 10:53 PM
He'll be cut if they dont trade him.


This maybe true, but trust me they are going to let him go that easy without something in return.

Bronco Texan
01-29-2006, 10:57 PM
I'm curious, I haven't seen USC play much over the past couple of years, but if we were to deal DD and draft Reggie, could Wells, Morency or a combo of both serve as the equivalent to LenDale White? You know, to give us that one-two punch that Bush/White gave the Trojans? I know that most don't thing Reggie can carry the ball 20 times a game, so could this work?


Yeah probably. This may sound funny but I think we should make a move for Ron Dayne. The guy is money in zone blocking schemes. I was a little down on Denver last year for not playing him more. Seems like everytime he got the ball he had atleast six yards. And well most of the nation saw what he did to the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. Trust me he isn't washed up yet and in the right system(Denver's zone blocking) he can get big yards. He would compliment Reggie real good.

Lucky
01-29-2006, 11:01 PM
I'm curious, I haven't seen USC play much over the past couple of years, but if we were to deal DD and draft Reggie, could Wells, Morency or a combo of both serve as the equivalent to LenDale White?
That's a good question. First, I don't want to see Davis traded just to be traded. I think Bush and Davis can both contibute in a meaningful way in the Kubiak offense. And I think this trade rumor regarding DD is pure Disney. But, I could see a team that missed on a RB in the draft look ask the Texans their price on Domanick.

Could a Morency/Wells combo equate to LenDale White? I don't think so, I see White as a potential 1500+ yard RB in the NFL. But, I think Davis' injuries in '05 gave Wells and Morency enough snaps to show that they could fill in the gaps in Bush's game. Wells is a solid backup, he can do a little bit of everything. Morency showed flashes as a rookie. He ran hard, if not smart, and I think with coaching could be a solid RB in a zone blocking offense.

bigtex77
01-29-2006, 11:05 PM
That's a good question. First, I don't want to see Davis traded just to be traded. I think Bush and Davis can both contibute in a meaningful way in the Kubiak offense. And I think this trade rumor regarding DD is pure Disney. But, I could see a team that missed on a RB in the draft look ask the Texans their price on Domanick.

Could a Morency/Wells combo equate to LenDale White? I don't think so, I see White as a potential 1500+ yard RB in the NFL. But, I think Davis' injuries in '05 gave Wells and Morency enough snaps to show that they could fill in the gaps in Bush's game. Wells is a solid backup, he can do a little bit of everything. Morency showed flashes as a rookie. He ran hard, if not smart, and I think with coaching could be a solid RB in a zone blocking offense.

Yeah, I was just using the DD trade example b/c of the rumor, I am curious how DD and Bush sharing carries would work.

DFAN
01-29-2006, 11:06 PM
This maybe true, but trust me they are going to let him go that easy without something in return.


Well come March, I believe is win they owe him the big bonus, they'll have to cut him or give him the bonus.


They're hoping some team will pony up[ so that team doesnt have to get into a bidding war for him. There will be a bidding war for him. Probally not what he wants but a team will give him money and a lot for incentives.


The thing about a trade a lot of teams really dont want to give up draft picks for him when they can just wait until he's cut. He can also refuse to go to that team.

bigtex77
01-29-2006, 11:07 PM
Yeah probably. This may sound funny but I think we should make a move for Ron Dayne. The guy is money in zone blocking schemes. I was a little down on Denver last year for not playing him more. Seems like everytime he got the ball he had atleast six yards. And well most of the nation saw what he did to the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. Trust me he isn't washed up yet and in the right system(Denver's zone blocking) he can get big yards. He would compliment Reggie real good.


Unfortunately, we don't have Denver's o-line.

Bubbajwp
01-29-2006, 11:09 PM
that, sir, is a ludicrous statement. DD is a thousand yard rusher behind an O-line that's about as solid as a snowcone in hell.
You do realize that their is a difference between run blocking and pass blocking right.

Carr Bombed
01-29-2006, 11:18 PM
that, sir, is a ludicrous statement. DD is a thousand yard rusher behind an O-line that's about as solid as a snowcone in hell. Our line actually run blocks pretty well

Wells avg. 3.6 yrds a carry scoring 4 rushing tds, 2 more than DD on 140 less carries.

V. Morency in his rookie year had a 4.0 ypc avg. only .2 yards less than DD, scoring on two rushing TDs, same as DD on 184 less carries and had a higher YPC avg.

In my opinion Morency is pretty much DD, they have similar running styles and amost the same exact physical build.

Bubbajwp
01-29-2006, 11:23 PM
I like the DD trade.
IMO we would need to resign Wells and not resign JGaffney.
Our WR would be AJ, TW, Jmathis, DArmstrong. not bad

I wonder what other teams would be willing to trade for DD. Also IMO if we trade DD we should trade for a Defensive player.

run-david-run
01-29-2006, 11:25 PM
I'm curious, I haven't seen USC play much over the past couple of years, but if we were to deal DD and draft Reggie, could Wells, Morency or a combo of both serve as the equivalent to LenDale White? You know, to give us that one-two punch that Bush/White gave the Trojans? I know that most don't thing Reggie can carry the ball 20 times a game, so could this work?
People need to stop with the wholeThunder/Lighting thing...unless they are both in the backfield at the same time, having a speedy guy and a big guy really dosnt to that much for ya. What does make an impact is having a dominant O-Line, maybe we should invest in that before paying $50M for Tatum Bell/Brian Westbrook...

run-david-run
01-29-2006, 11:27 PM
Our line actually run blocks pretty well

Wells avg. 3.6 yrds a carry scoring 4 rushing tds, 2 more than DD on 140 less carries.

V. Morency in his rookie year had a 4.0 ypc avg. only .2 yards less than DD, scoring on two rushing TDs, same as DD on 184 less carries and had a higher YPC avg.

In my opinion Morency is pretty much DD, they have similar running styles and amost the same exact physical build.
Excepy DD is way better then Morency out of the backfield and is a far more patient runner. He also has more power...

edo783
01-29-2006, 11:27 PM
Our line actually run blocks pretty well

Wells avg. 3.6 yrds a carry scoring 4 rushing tds, 2 more than DD on 140 less carries.

V. Morency in his rookie year had a 4.0 ypc avg. only .2 yards less than DD, scoring on two rushing TDs, same as DD on 184 less carries and had a higher YPC avg.

In my opinion Morency is pretty much DD, they have similar running styles and amost the same exact physical build.

I see Morency's running TYPE pretty much the same as DD with the exception of his pass catching. Just not sure about Morency there.

Grid
01-29-2006, 11:28 PM
Eh.. it does make a difference. If you have a good RB to play the "thunder" part... he plays multiple rolls in the offense. He makes those short yardage runs where you just need to grab a couple of yards and the defense knows you are going to run it... he makes those short yardage runs into the endzone.. he wears down the defense.. so on and so forth.

When you have a speedy finesse back.. unless you are running a certain type of offense (like in Philly and Minnesota).. you need someone who can pound it in.

Like in Tampa... they still need Alstott to carry the rock in short yardage situations.

Wells may not be a perfect fit.. but I still think he could be a good compliment to Bush.

bigtex77
01-29-2006, 11:35 PM
People need to stop with the wholeThunder/Lighting thing...unless they are both in the backfield at the same time, having a speedy guy and a big guy really dosnt to that much for ya. What does make an impact is having a dominant O-Line, maybe we should invest in that before paying $50M for Tatum Bell/Brian Westbrook...


Well, like I posted, I haven't seen USC play that much were White/Bush in the backfield at the same time?

Carr Bombed
01-29-2006, 11:42 PM
Excepy DD is way better then Morency out of the backfield and is a far more patient runner. He also has more power... The stats don't show that and he wasn't exactly given the chance. In his very first year he put up numbers very comparable to DD

Carr Bombed
01-29-2006, 11:46 PM
I see Morency's running TYPE pretty much the same as DD with the exception of his pass catching. Just not sure about Morency there. Morency had a slightly higher YPC avg than DD, but that doesn't matter anyways. I don't like our RBs getting so much catches, those should be rec.'s going to our TE or other receivers, imo, that is one of the major problems with our offense. DD has been Carr's security blanket, with every other young QB usually those passes go to the TE, again stressing our need for a every down TE

infantrycak
01-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Morency had a slightly higher YPC avg than DD, but that doesn't matter anyways. I don't like our RBs getting so much catches, those should be rec.'s going to our TE or other receivers, imo, that is one of the major problems with our offense. DD has been Carr's security blanket, with every other young QB usually those passes go to the TE, again stressing our need for a every down TE

It depends entirely on how your O is set to operate. Try checking out the NFL championship game betwen Dallas and SF in 1995. Smith and Moose combined for 13 or so receptions on the day with Novacek and Irvin spliting 6. They steamrollered the next best team in football. What matters is 1st downs and scores--how you get there is relatively unimportant except the longer to do it the better if you can do it consistantly.

Bronco Texan
01-30-2006, 03:01 AM
Well come March, I believe is win they owe him the big bonus, they'll have to cut him or give him the bonus.


They're hoping some team will pony up[ so that team doesnt have to get into a bidding war for him. There will be a bidding war for him. Probally not what he wants but a team will give him money and a lot for incentives.


The thing about a trade a lot of teams really dont want to give up draft picks for him when they can just wait until he's cut. He can also refuse to go to that team.


Exactly!!! A bidding war is why a team will trade for him. Trust me if a team really wants him they will trade for him so the will have exclusive rights to him. If they wait for him to be cut then they may get into a bidding war in which they may not be able to give him a short incentive laced contract. I garauntee you he will be traded before he gets cut. Even if it comes down to the last day and the only trade on the board is a 4th round pick the Eagles will take that over nothing.

Malloy
01-30-2006, 04:14 AM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush. i think i would like that Carr Bush AJ TO

And hardly any problems in the locker room, on the sideline and in the media...
He would "only" cost us alot of money, cronic headache and result in a disgruntled team :)

thunderkyss
01-30-2006, 08:46 AM
Getting Williamson would not help the problems with our offense.. and losing one of our first day picks would make it more difficult for us to address all of those problems. Additionally.. losing Davis would mean that if Bush DIDNT work out.. we have nothing at RB. On the other hand.. the Denver system doesnt necessarily require a superstar at RB to function..so it may not hurt us THAT much.


How is getting a RB to line up in the slot going to help our Offensive problems, but getting a real 2nd threat WideReciever not??

BigBull17
01-30-2006, 08:57 AM
Eh.. it does make a difference. If you have a good RB to play the "thunder" part... he plays multiple rolls in the offense. He makes those short yardage runs where you just need to grab a couple of yards and the defense knows you are going to run it... he makes those short yardage runs into the endzone.. he wears down the defense.. so on and so forth.

When you have a speedy finesse back.. unless you are running a certain type of offense (like in Philly and Minnesota).. you need someone who can pound it in.

Like in Tampa... they still need Alstott to carry the rock in short yardage situations.

Wells may not be a perfect fit.. but I still think he could be a good compliment to Bush.

Thats who we need to pick up.

dalemurphy
01-30-2006, 08:59 AM
Who thinks that a combination of AJ, JMathis, Gaffney, Armstrong is one of this team's major weaknesses? Why on earth would be using first day picks on WRs, either via trade or in the draft?

OL, TE, LB, DL, CB, FS- in that order, wouldn't most agree, those are our major areas that need upgrading?

Runner
01-30-2006, 09:01 AM
Who thinks that a combination of AJ, JMathis, Gaffney, Armstrong is one of this team's major weaknesses? Why on earth would be using first day picks on WRs, either via trade or in the draft?

OL, TE, LB, DL, CB, FS- in that order, wouldn't most agree, those are our major areas that need upgrading?

I'd question the order a little - we may need some DL line help pretty soon - but otherwise pretty accurate. Notice QB/RB/Receiver are not there. Trade Down!

cadahnic
01-30-2006, 09:02 AM
I agree on the needs, but not on the order. OL, CB/FS, DE, LB, TE that is the order I would be thinking. I understand we have not seen anything from our TEs but drafting a TE before round 3 would be a wasted pick.

Runner
01-30-2006, 09:03 AM
How is getting a RB to line up in the slot going to help our Offensive problems, but getting a real 2nd threat WideReciever not??

By creating matchup problemm depending who the defense has on the field on any specific play. Splitting the speedy Bush into the slot when a safety has to cover him would be an effective strategy with an aggressive offense.

TEXANS84
01-30-2006, 09:27 AM
John McClain just put an axe to this rumor.

A Chicago radio station asked him last week if the Texans would trade their 2nd round draft pick for Troy Williamson. For some odd reason, this has developed into a "trade rumor" that should never have started.

So if you guys were hoping for this trade, this isn't going to happen.

David's Busted Carr
01-30-2006, 10:35 AM
How about Williamson for DD straight up. We'll save some money in the process and clears the way to draft Reggie! Then resign Wells as his backup.

Carr
Bush/Wells/Morency
AJ/Williamson/Mathis

Not bad options there!

Maddict5
01-30-2006, 12:14 PM
the vikes wouldnt take that cos troy is a high 1st rounder in just his 2nd year

ArlingtonTexan
01-30-2006, 01:46 PM
Who thinks that a combination of AJ, JMathis, Gaffney, Armstrong is one of this team's major weaknesses? Why on earth would be using first day picks on WRs, either via trade or in the draft?

OL, TE, LB, DL, CB, FS- in that order, wouldn't most agree, those are our major areas that need upgrading?

Considering Gaffney is FA, WR is in the top 5 of my needs. Mathis and Armstrong have show some flashes of potential but neither is a guy I want depend on as a starting WR next year w/o massive improvement.

plgb0y
01-30-2006, 01:55 PM
i rather go for T.O he wont cost us nothing but money and we would still get bush. i think i would like that Carr Bush AJ TO

This just in....Carr's accuracy from his back doesn't improve and Bush has no better chance of creating a hole than DD :brickwall

MorKnolle
01-30-2006, 02:32 PM
John McClain just put an axe to this rumor.

A Chicago radio station asked him last week if the Texans would trade their 2nd round draft pick for Troy Williamson. For some odd reason, this has developed into a "trade rumor" that should never have started.

So if you guys were hoping for this trade, this isn't going to happen.

Yes, McClain was asked about this on 610Radio this morning and he said that it was just a question that someone from a Chicago station asked him, and that he had no idea how word of that got out and onto the message boards here and has spread into this trade rumor. The Texans have not inquired about such a trade, and I really doubt the Vikings would be interested in it anyways unless we're giving up a lot more than we should to get him, so it isn't happening.

rmartin65
01-30-2006, 04:09 PM
We dont need a speedy reciever. Mathis and AJ are probably the fastest duo in the league.

Errant Hothy
01-30-2006, 04:11 PM
Why won't this die?

I ain't going to happen people. We are probaly for giving it as much run tiem as anybody.

dalemurphy
01-30-2006, 04:15 PM
Considering Gaffney is FA, WR is in the top 5 of my needs. Mathis and Armstrong have show some flashes of potential but neither is a guy I want depend on as a starting WR next year w/o massive improvement.


Well, Williamson has shown more than flashes and could definitely be depended on? I'd say, to date, that Mathis has had a better NFL career and probably exhibited more potential as well...

So, again, what problem does the acquisition of Williamson solve?

ArlingtonTexan
01-30-2006, 04:20 PM
Well, Williamson has shown more than flashes and could definitely be depended on? I'd say, to date, that Mathis has had a better NFL career and probably exhibited more potential as well...

So, again, what problem does the acquisition of Williamson solve?

Where did I say we should acquire Williamson? I replied to the notion that Texans don't need a WR. Texans need to sign a boring veteran WR. In away Gaffney falls into that category, but he is not guaranteed.

Farough
01-30-2006, 06:44 PM
Before we talk about trading DD, we gotta make sure that Morency has learned not to trip over his own feet.

edo783
01-30-2006, 08:12 PM
Mods, please kill this thread as it's been proven to be just a rumor. Please.....save the electrons.....we need them for more VY & RB threads.

Bubbajwp
01-30-2006, 08:20 PM
The word RUMOR is in the title. If you dont want to hear about RUMORS then maybe you shouldnt click on any threads that say RUMOR.

Grid
01-30-2006, 08:23 PM
well the rumor has been proven to be untrue.. thats why people are tired of seeing the thread :)

Bubbajwp
01-30-2006, 08:45 PM
well the rumor has been proven to be untrue.. thats why people are tired of seeing the thread :)
Just like the Ron Artest for Peja Rumor.

cuppacoffee
01-30-2006, 11:03 PM
Some goober on the viking msg brd was talking about what a great group a recivers we had and the first name he wrote was...anyone?..Corey Bradbord! HAHAHA. Corey Bradford! Funny stuff.

like ive said before bradford would be a great rickshaw puller and thats about all.

Shhhh...thats Cass over there. He's undercover. :spy:

Spoda
01-31-2006, 08:08 AM
THE NEWS
The Texans are reportedly working on a trade for Vikings wide receiver Troy Williamson, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Citing a report on a Dallas sports talk radio station, the Star Tribune indicated that the Texans remain high on Williamson's potential after considering drafting him last year.

Our View
Houston would love an option opposite Andre Johnson, as Jabbar Gaffney and Corey Bradford have done nothing to distinguish themselves in that role; however, neither did Williamson in his rookie campaign. If the Texans intend to draft Reggie Bush this April, perhaps Domanick Davis would be available to fill the Brian Westbrook role in the Eagles-style offense new Vikings coach Brad Childress is bringing to Minnesota—though the Texans would likely need more coming back their way than just Williamson in a deal for Davis. Maybe there's a shred of truth to this speculation…

interesting from fanball...not sure how credible..interesting..if that's the case i guess it's bush...not my first chioce...but not my third!!(vince)

Maddict5
01-31-2006, 08:12 AM
its hard to know-1 it probably wont happen
2-the vikes wont want to send more than a high 1st round pick from only a year ago if it did happen