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bigTEXan8
01-28-2006, 05:48 PM
I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think this is something the Texans must seriously consider. If I had my way, I'd hire a personal trainer for Joppru, just have Joppru work out and watch game film all day long. Don't let him out of his padded room till the season starts.

I just got to thinking about this when thinking about drafting a TE in the upcoming draft.

YodAa
01-28-2006, 05:54 PM
Joppru is a bust, nothing else to it.

Grid
01-28-2006, 06:05 PM
oops...I meant to pick no. Your topic question and poll question are different :)...kinda confusing.

Yes he should play this preseason.

Grid
01-28-2006, 06:07 PM
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.

stevo3883
01-28-2006, 06:15 PM
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.


dude... 3 years and 0 snaps... and you say calling him a bust is majorly jumping the gun? honestly, I think anyone that expects him to ever see the field in any important situation is just delusional.

A high 2nd round pick, going into his 4th year, and has never taken a snap.

The fact that he didnt have injury concerns at Michigan doesnt mean anything, because he obviously has injury problems here.

Grid
01-28-2006, 06:18 PM
a bust is a useless player.. duh?

Is he a useless player? no.. he isnt.. he hasnt seen a snap.. he is no more a useless player than every single player in this years draft.

He has no injury history, he has had some incredible bad luck here but his lack of an injury history means that he could still come back from it. I wouldnt say it is incredibly likely.. but it is still possible, and as long as it is possible, and as long as we have absolutely no idea what we have in him.. calling him a bust is jumping the gun.

This seems like simple logic to me.

Maddict5
01-28-2006, 06:20 PM
and then maybe during the regular season we'll put a 'dont hurt my little boy' poster on his jersey so defenders wont tackle him....if a player is such a cause for concern he shouldnt be there. plus this isnt peyton manning-we've seen nothing out of joppru and he still has to prove alot

ledzeppelin229
01-28-2006, 06:22 PM
If he's got injury problems he's probably going to get hurt either way. I think he needs to get some snaps in preseason, unless the trainers think a few more weeks off will make a significant difference in his recovery. Either way though we need to plan for this season as if he's not going to play.

ccdude730
01-28-2006, 06:30 PM
depending on how the coaching staff feels about this. i believe his potential outweighs using another high draft pick on a TE.

let him play like everyone else and IMO he is not a bust unless we get nothing at all out of this. he can still come back to prove his worth...even though some fans have already made up their minds.

heres to a healthy joppru this season :texflag:

stevo3883
01-28-2006, 06:34 PM
a bust is a useless player.. duh?

Is he a useless player? no.. he isnt.. he hasnt seen a snap.. he is no more a useless player than every single player in this years draft.

He has no injury history, he has had some incredible bad luck here but his lack of an injury history means that he could still come back from it. I wouldnt say it is incredibly likely.. but it is still possible, and as long as it is possible, and as long as we have absolutely no idea what we have in him.. calling him a bust is jumping the gun.

This seems like simple logic to me.

he has no injury history? ok, maybe out of college, but guess what.. hes been in the NFL 3 years, and has been injured every single one. Thats a hell of an injury concern to me.

you can get off with 1 season ender, maybe 2 if its a freak injury, but when you get to 3, hes obviously doing something wrong, it just doesnt happen.

Maddict5
01-28-2006, 06:35 PM
depending on how the coaching staff feels about this. i believe his potential outweighs using another high draft pick on a TE.

let him play like everyone else and IMO he is not a bust unless we get nothing at all out of this. he can still come back to prove his worth...even though some fans have already made up their minds.

heres to a healthy joppru this season :texflag:

but if 1 of marcedes,pope or davis was still there @ #33 you'd be tempted (or byrd etc further down)

cap1
01-28-2006, 06:36 PM
I don't think he is a bust, I just think he is a disappointment. I just hope he can come back and play. If I was the Texans FO I would still plan on not having him this year. :twocents:

Grid
01-28-2006, 06:36 PM
it just doesnt happen? show me why. Give me some examples of players that have come out of College with no injury history and had freak season ending injuries their first three years.

If he was from UT you would be singing his praises and saying that he was going to come back and win us a superbowl next year :P

Wolf
01-28-2006, 06:40 PM
no matter what, we need 2 TE's that can catch AND block. we need depth like that..

Joppru needs to play in the preseason if he is healed.

stevo3883
01-28-2006, 06:42 PM
it just doesnt happen? show me why. Give me some examples of players that have come out of College with no injury history and had freak season ending injuries their first three years.

If he was from UT you would be singing his praises and saying that he was going to come back and win us a superbowl next year :P

no, id be saying why is he still on the roster.

you can't tell the difference between someone who is a huge UT fan and will correct someone when they make a BS comment about VY or Huff, and someone that runs around screaming UT is the best draft vince blah blah

Texans>Colts
01-28-2006, 06:42 PM
Wat don't u get. Japulu Sux:brickwall :ouch: :deadhorse :taz:

Buffi2
01-28-2006, 06:46 PM
I think we draft another TE. Given Joppru's NFL history, I say we hedge our bets. That way, if Joppru makes it - we have some depth - if he doesn't - we have a TE and we certainly need a good one.

ArlingtonTexan
01-28-2006, 06:54 PM
Even though it is not really fair, Joppru is a bust uunless he proves to have some value. Many of you would not be so defensive about calling him that if he were not a Texans' player. It is done on these boards with other injuried players all the time. Any player who does not contribute to expectation is by definition a bust even if injury is the cause not meeting that expectation.

Joppru has not played in any type of football game since Jan 2003. There is no other way to figure out if he is an NFL calibur player (remember we don't know) than to have him suit up in football games. You can't protect him because you don't know if he is any good.

Grid
01-28-2006, 07:22 PM
I guess I have a different definition of bust then.

A bust to me is a player who cant play at an NFL level. They are not good enough to help their team win.

Jopprue hasnt contributed anything to the team.. but he hasnt proven that he CANT contribute either. As long as we have him under contract I see no reason not to keep him and hope that he can come back and prove himself. If he gets injured again and his contract comes up.. THEN i will call him a bust and expect us not to re-sign him.

Until then though.. im not going to call him a bust.. just a really unlucky rookie. I hope he comes back from it though.. its the kind of story that ESPN will turn into a 3 minute "feel good" clip to play at halftime in our first superbowl appearance :)

jacquescas
01-28-2006, 07:30 PM
In terms of the draft pick used to draft him he most definately is a bust, because that secound round pick could have been used on someone who provided more utiity in the past 3 years.

In terms of the talent we have to present on the field, it has yet to be determined if he can play or not. Statistically the numbers are against him and spending one of our picks, either a 3rd or a 4th rounder on a TE, or bringing in a free agent would be advised.

nunusguy
01-28-2006, 08:08 PM
Joppru is a bust, nothing else to it.
You have no idea what you're talking about ! A bust is a failure, Joppru is not a failure. He is a very, very unfortionate player but that is in no way a bust. Got it ? How dare you call someone like Joppru a bust who has nothing but bad luck with no opportunity to succeed in the NFL.
I myself am pulling for Joppru like I've pulled for few athletes, but have no idea how this is going to turn out. And I'm sorry to say I'm not hopeful.
Maybe he finally catches some good luck, and he has a chance to succeed
in this league. I can only hope.

Double Barrel
01-28-2006, 08:31 PM
no matter what, we need 2 TE's that can catch AND block. we need depth like that..

Joppru needs to play in the preseason if he is healed.

I agree 100%. Draft another TE and play both of them in the preseason. Whichever one proves himself as starter gets the job. The other is his backup.

I don't think Joppru is a "bust", per say. At least not in the typical meaning of bust. He hasn't been able to prove himself, so the jury is still out. But another year missed because of getting hurt could put him in that category of being a bust because of being considered injury prone.

stevo3883
01-28-2006, 08:33 PM
I agree 100%. Draft another TE and play both of them in the preseason. Whichever one proves himself as starter gets the job. The other is his backup.

I don't think Joppru is a "bust", per say. At least not in the typical meaning of bust. He hasn't been able to prove himself, so the jury is still out. But another year missed because of getting hurt could put him in that category of being a bust because of being considered injury prone.


its my belief that 50% of being a great player is being able to stay healthy. who cares how good you are if you cant play, it doesnt matter.

So I think if you get hurt and never play, yes you were a bust because that team picked you to make an impact, and you did the total opposite by not even playing.

Napa Auto Parts
01-28-2006, 09:00 PM
i had no idea this cat was still in the league this kid makes fragile fren look like brett favre:yahoo:

Grid
01-28-2006, 09:08 PM
bleh.. I wouldnt even call him fragile.. he hasnt had a multitude of injuries.

He had one major injury that ended his first season... he wasnt ready to return and reinjured it his second season...

did he miss a 3rd season too? if so i cant remember the injury.

stevo3883
01-28-2006, 09:12 PM
bleh.. I wouldnt even call him fragile.. he hasnt had a multitude of injuries.

He had one major injury that ended his first season... he wasnt ready to return and reinjured it his second season...

did he miss a 3rd season too? if so i cant remember the injury.

yes he tore his ACL in camp this year.

Wolf
01-28-2006, 09:13 PM
Hard-luck Texans TE Joppru tears ACL

NFL.com wire reports

HOUSTON (May 18, 2005) -- Texans tight end Bennie Joppru could miss his third consecutive season after tearing a right knee ligament during an offseason practice.

An MRI exam revealed that Joppru tore the anterior cruciate ligament in a workout May 16. The team said he will undergo surgery sometime in the next two weeks

The 6-foot-4, 260-pound Joppru was a star at Michigan but has yet to play in the NFL.

As a rookie, Joppru injured his groin during the first week of training camp and spent the rest of the year on injured reserve. Another groin injury sidelined him last season.




yeah 3 seasons unfortuantly


http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/8483108

Grid
01-28-2006, 09:13 PM
ahh thats right.

So he has really had two injuries.. one that got reinjured. They just happened to be season ending :P.

The fact that he wasnt ever injured in college makes me think he could come back from it and never have injury problems again. But we will see.

TexHorns
01-28-2006, 09:15 PM
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.

I bet Capers said the same thing. It is not that he is a 100% bust, but that sometimes you have to cut your losses and base your decisions on what is more likely. Its not like they didnt give him a chance. He suffered injuries that could end his career. I see no reason Bennie Bosselli should stay and leech off of houston any longer. Most likely he is not the next HOF TE so why miss out on giving someone else a chance. Same goes for Bradford.:brickwall

Grid
01-28-2006, 09:24 PM
well...lets see.

for one he isnt LEACHING anything. His cap hit is minor at worst. Cutting him would gain us nothing valuable.

Most likely he is not the next HOF TE

Cant say for sure can you? thats why you dont just cut any player who has fallen out of favor with the scatterbrained fanbase.

miss out on giving someone else a chance? that what training camp is for... would you please think? If he makes it through camp and earns a roster spot.. he isnt taking anyone else spot, he earned himself one. If he gets injured again..he is either going to be on IR again, or cut. The only thing he has done for 3 seasons is take a spot on our IR list.. and him being on it hasnt cost us any players... so, he hasnt impeded anyone elses chance.. and he wont in the future.. that is why we evaluate players before the season starts.

As for Bradford. Our mistake wasnt having him on the roster... it was keeping him as a #2 receiver. He is not terrible and would be nice to have as a #4 guy behind AJ, Mathis, and Gaffney/Armstrong.. or whoever we end up with. He is fast.. and he catches the ball often enough to be a threat. He can cause mismatches as well when he is on the field with a couple of better receivers. If the price is right...we should keep him.

RickDenver
01-28-2006, 11:29 PM
Dude has more years in the league than days in training camp that he took part in the drills. I go to practices and all I ever saw out of Joppru was him carring his contract around. He has been on the roster for three years and yet to make any contibution to the team. Major Bust

swtbound07
01-28-2006, 11:33 PM
domonique byrd in the 3rd...worst case scenario we have two young, good tight ends

barzilla
01-28-2006, 11:46 PM
I guess I have a different definition of bust then.

A bust to me is a player who cant play at an NFL level. They are not good enough to help their team win.

Jopprue hasnt contributed anything to the team.. but he hasnt proven that he CANT contribute either. As long as we have him under contract I see no reason not to keep him and hope that he can come back and prove himself. If he gets injured again and his contract comes up.. THEN i will call him a bust and expect us not to re-sign him.

Until then though.. im not going to call him a bust.. just a really unlucky rookie. I hope he comes back from it though.. its the kind of story that ESPN will turn into a 3 minute "feel good" clip to play at halftime in our first superbowl appearance :)

Let's say you signed a free agent WR that never played a down because of injuries. Why is that not a bust? You aren't getting what they paid for.

I don't know why Joppru keeps getting hurt. Bad conditioning? Bad luck? Either way, I have a hard time counting on him.

TexHorns
01-28-2006, 11:52 PM
Grid

Maybe you have a point, but either way after 3 years the team should have addressed the TE position, instead they have been waiting on Joppru to get healthy.

Grid
01-29-2006, 12:08 AM
Let's say you signed a free agent WR that never played a down because of injuries. Why is that not a bust? You aren't getting what they paid for.


It depends. Did he never play a down and then get cut, or has he never played a down and is still on the roster with the possibility to play?

You dont call someone a bust until they are off the team.. as long as he is still here, there is still the chance for him to contribute.. therefore...not a bust yet.

Grid
01-29-2006, 12:09 AM
Grid

Maybe you have a point, but either way after 3 years the team should have addressed the TE position, instead they have been waiting on Joppru to get healthy.

I dunno if they have been waiting for Joppru to get healthy..or just not considered it an important need.

You can expect Kubiak to address the needs at TE this offseason if he intends to run the Denver offense here.

Seņor Stan
01-29-2006, 12:11 AM
Brad Lidge had a history of injuries in the minor leagues. Newsflash...he's pretty good.

He definitely needs to play all of preseason to get back into football shape. One thing about the injuries, it has saved him 3 years of NFL pounding. The boy still has plenty of tread left on his tires. It would be foolish to cut him loose at this point.

That being said, we need to pick up a TE in the draft or free agency. One that can block AND catch.

281
01-29-2006, 12:24 AM
If he keeps the luck he's had the last three years, he'll be out for the season before the preseason even starts... :crying:

LORK 88
01-29-2006, 12:26 AM
If he keeps the luck he's had the last three years, he'll be out for the season before the preseason even starts... :crying:

does he even have anything left in his body to still hurt?? Eventually he's going to run out of stuff in his legs to tear and screw up.

ensign_lee
01-29-2006, 12:31 AM
Remember when everyone was yelling about how we'd wasted a 2nd round draft pick on Joppru in our second draft ever? Something about how TE was the only position with any depth on our roster? :P

Things change. Just take the best players available in the draft, and work with your talent, rather than trying to force your draft picks. If a good TE falls to us and he's the best player there, we should take him. Otherwise, we'll just have to work with what we've got.

That being said, I really hope that Benni's able to turn things around. If he could become David's best friend as the secondary target, that would be amazing.

Erratic Assassin
01-29-2006, 01:17 AM
Let the countdown start for Joppru's next season-ending injury. It's as reliable as Old Faithful. The guy is made out of chalk. When does training camp start anyway?

YodAa
01-29-2006, 02:04 AM
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.

its a bust if he doesn't live up to the spot where he was drafted, he was mid 2nd rite? And in 3 yrs hes done absolutely nothing...... really you don't think hes a bust?

Yossarian
01-29-2006, 02:31 AM
bleh.. I wouldnt even call him fragile.. he hasnt had a multitude of injuries.

He had one major injury that ended his first season... he wasnt ready to return and reinjured it his second season...

did he miss a 3rd season too? if so i cant remember the injury.

In this thread alone, you've not only stated that Bennie Joppru is not a bust, but you've also declared that he's neither injury prone, nor even fragile. This is one of the most spectacular cases of self-delusion I've ever seen, and I congratulate you.

kbourda
01-29-2006, 09:10 AM
Ok, he hasn't been given the chance to prove that he is a bust due to injury. I get that. It's legit. I don't see him playing a down in the regular season. I could be wrong. I hope i'm wrong. But sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.

Texans>Colts
01-29-2006, 09:24 AM
Well i wouldn't mind signing Zach Hilton or Christain Fauria off Free Agency

Kaiser Toro
01-29-2006, 09:39 AM
It is borderline, but a tough decision nonetheless. At 875k against the cap and having kept him for so long it would seem that we would at least like to see what he does at camp, but that may effect where and if we draft a TE. Moreover, Bruener will be getting a 1 mil this year as well (140k bonus). 1.875 mil at a position that yields nothing are dollars horribly spent.

My hunch is that we release him or both.

rmartin65
01-29-2006, 10:40 AM
Joppru shouold play in the pre-season if he wants to play in the regular season.

cadahnic
01-29-2006, 11:46 AM
We have Joppru, Bruener right now we can resign Rivers for nice and cheap. Why not get Teyo Johnson a big basketball type TE that would have been the star in Oakland had he not popped off to Turner. The kid has talent. I say we drop Rivers pick up Teyo J. for a cheap two year deal then draft, I cant believe I am saying this a UT guy, David Thomas in the 4th. Joppru does not work out who cares we have Teyo and Thomas two guys that are ok blockers and good receivers that can stretch defenses and do well in the red-zone. This would be the most cost effective and highest risk/reward play we could make.

kbourda
01-29-2006, 02:09 PM
I would like to see us pick up Teyo. But I don't see it happening.

Grid
01-29-2006, 02:21 PM
In this thread alone, you've not only stated that Bennie Joppru is not a bust, but you've also declared that he's neither injury prone, nor even fragile. This is one of the most spectacular cases of self-delusion I've ever seen, and I congratulate you.

Why thank you :)

Sorry I dont consider him fragile. His injury history isnt extensive.. he has really only had 2 injuries in his career.. they just both happen to be big ones.

Hollings is Fragile.

bakerooskie
01-29-2006, 02:42 PM
Joppru is a bust, nothing else to it.


Amen...

Runner
01-29-2006, 07:25 PM
Should Joppru play this preseason?

I don't know, do you think he needs the practice?

J-Storm
01-30-2006, 01:02 AM
Part o' me wants to see him play so we can see if he still has 'it' or not. No point keeping him if he doesnt after all this time IMO. Who knows how he has recovered (if even fully) from his injuries. Only (game) time will tell i guess...

On the other hand i'm scared to see him on the field before the reg season starts from fear he does whatever else in his legs or anywhere else on/in his body and he sits out aother season...

If that scenario happens (touch wood) then i guess he's a full bust in my mind n' not the 1/2 bust he seems so far...

Get another TE in the draft n' lose Bruener n' solution to the whole problem is done n' dusted :yahoo:

YodAa
01-30-2006, 01:12 AM
anyone know what kind of 40 Joppru ran before he got drafted?

Grid
01-30-2006, 02:13 AM
He didnt run at the Combine.. im not sure on his time..cant find it anywhere. I found something saying he ran a 4.77 coming out of high school..but that obviously isnt very accurate.

I also read that he isnt fast enough to be a down-field threat. So i imagine he wasnt a blazer :)

Jack Bauer
01-30-2006, 08:41 AM
You should have worded the question in the poll exactly like you worded the thread title. Some people are going to answer based on the thread title, which is the opposite of your question.

Kaiser Toro
01-30-2006, 09:08 AM
We have Joppru, Bruener right now we can resign Rivers for nice and cheap. Why not get Teyo Johnson a big basketball type TE that would have been the star in Oakland had he not popped off to Turner. The kid has talent. I say we drop Rivers pick up Teyo J. for a cheap two year deal then draft, I cant believe I am saying this a UT guy, David Thomas in the 4th. Joppru does not work out who cares we have Teyo and Thomas two guys that are ok blockers and good receivers that can stretch defenses and do well in the red-zone. This would be the most cost effective and highest risk/reward play we could make.

The only thing I would comment on about Rivers, especially with Marciano back, is that he was terrific on special teams last year.

cadahnic
01-30-2006, 09:11 AM
yeah Kaiser I thought about that also, but then I watched the some tape of Teyo J. in his first year and he was also good on special teams, that is the main reason I picked him instead of Chris Baker and some other guys that would be out there.

Kaiser Toro
01-30-2006, 09:28 AM
yeah Kaiser I thought about that also, but then I watched the some tape of Teyo J. in his first year and he was also good on special teams, that is the main reason I picked him instead of Chris Baker and some other guys that would be out there.

I would think Bruenner will be back as pre Texans he was "one of the best blocking TE's." It would seem that his value would go back up with a coach that has had more success teaching the zone blocking scheme than our former regime, obviously we will have to wait for Kubiak's film sessions.

I have not seen a lot of Teyo except you always hear about his athleticism and "this will be his break out year." We need to upgrade and this is one position where I do trust Kubiak will make the right decision.

Number19
01-31-2006, 10:13 PM
Whether Joppru is or is not a "bust" is of absolutely no consequence and is irrelevant. The plain facts are that he is on the roster and will go into training camp with the opportunity to win a starting position.

I am more interested in hearing reports on where he is in his recovery to playing condition. The last report I heard - on 610 - was that he was hitting the weight room and was looking good. The commentators described him as being "ripped". They also described him as having lost a lot of weight.

Has anyone heard what his current weight is?

I also had heard a while back that he had starting running "straight" but not "cutting".

We need an update on this.

As far as speed, I have him listed in two different sources as being about 4.85 at 270 lbs.

In light of his weight loss, if I was his trainer, I'd be pushing for a playing weight around 245 - 250 by training camp. At this weight he should get his speed down to the mid to low 4.7's and should concentrate on his receiving skills rather than attempt to return to his previous level of blocking skill, which would require a heavier weight.

Spoda
02-01-2006, 02:34 PM
Part o' me wants to see him play so we can see if he still has 'it' or not. No point keeping him if he doesnt after all this time IMO. Who knows how he has recovered (if even fully) from his injuries. Only (game) time will tell i guess...

On the other hand i'm scared to see him on the field before the reg season starts from fear he does whatever else in his legs or anywhere else on/in his body and he sits out aother season...

If that scenario happens (touch wood) then i guess he's a full bust in my mind n' not the 1/2 bust he seems so far...

Get another TE in the draft n' lose Bruener n' solution to the whole problem is done n' dusted :yahoo:

SHHHHHH!!!! don't say "it"...this will turn into a vince thread