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Texans>Colts
01-28-2006, 05:24 PM
i no this guy is a tremendous athlete who i respect a whole lot. I also he can run and pass the ball very well, but i have watched tapes of him and i saw he threw sidearm. I think that might b a problem in the NFL. The big D-linemen can get their hands up and knock it down at the line. Any1 think this is a problem?

CITY CAT
01-28-2006, 05:32 PM
David Carr throws side arm. Former league MVP Rich Gannon also through side arm. So while it is not universal, it can be successfull.

Caesar
01-28-2006, 05:53 PM
Dan Marino didn't have many problems with it.

run-david-run
01-28-2006, 06:14 PM
Also, VY is 6'5. Of all the problems with drafting VY, which we wont do, this is the most overrated one...

thunderkyss
01-28-2006, 06:25 PM
Bret Favre throws side arm, under arm, back armed, et. al....

axman40
01-28-2006, 06:38 PM
I once saw S. Jergensen throw a pass behind his back and complete the throw! I do not care how it gets there as long as it is complete.

:redtowel:

stevo3883
01-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Bret Favre throws side arm, under arm, back armed, et. al....


hell, Jake Plummer throws left-handed.

kastofsna
01-29-2006, 02:38 PM
his sidearm motion restricts the power he can put behind a pass. it's one thing like favre to throw sidearm when the situation calls for it, but when he needs to rail a ball in there, he throws a perfect overhand pass. young doesn't have the zip with the sidearm

stevo3883
01-29-2006, 04:47 PM
his sidearm motion restricts the power he can put behind a pass. it's one thing like favre to throw sidearm when the situation calls for it, but when he needs to rail a ball in there, he throws a perfect overhand pass. young doesn't have the zip with the sidearm

..........

he doesn't throw sidearm

bigTEXan8
01-29-2006, 04:53 PM
his sidearm motion restricts the power he can put behind a pass. it's one thing like favre to throw sidearm when the situation calls for it, but when he needs to rail a ball in there, he throws a perfect overhand pass. young doesn't have the zip with the sidearm

You know, I never really broken down his throwing motion that way. But now that you mentiion it, I totally see what you are saying. It does restrict the amount of get-up you can throw the ball with.

Mr. White
01-29-2006, 05:28 PM
his sidearm motion restricts the power he can put behind a pass. it's one thing like favre to throw sidearm when the situation calls for it, but when he needs to rail a ball in there, he throws a perfect overhand pass. young doesn't have the zip with the sidearm

Anyone who watched VY this year knows he is capable of throwing long (30+ yard) bombs. Not sure how much "zip" he has on his motion really matters.

kastofsna
01-29-2006, 09:08 PM
..........

he doesn't throw sidearm
except when he's throwing a football

http://opethforum.com/forum/User.gif

looks sidearm to me
Anyone who watched VY this year knows he is capable of throwing long (30+ yard) bombs. Not sure how much "zip" he has on his motion really matters.
first of all, his deep passes flutter a ton. if not for the safeties always playing the run, he'd have more passes picked off. his big receivers can outplay the opposition's corners, so he just lobs the ball up there and lets his WR's make the play. secondly, that has nothing to do with arm strength. i'm talking of the throwing the darts to the sideline, or on a quick strike to the first down marker on 3rd down, etc. he's struggled a lot with that, and his throwing motion is probably to blame for that mostly

DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net
01-29-2006, 09:13 PM
That is why they are thinking of lienart instead.

thunderkyss
01-29-2006, 09:56 PM
who is they?? Texans already have a better Lienhart. We want Vince, because he adds something to the team we don't have, which we thing will help us win games. I'm not discounting his sidearm, or ignoring it. But I believe Vince is more capable than most to work on and fix things like this. Even though, as it was pointed out, that many a QBs have had succesful careers with the problem.

stevo3883
01-29-2006, 10:46 PM
http://scd.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1449457661

http://scd.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1257849206

http://scd.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1309279750

-its a lot like Carr's release angle

TexansNeedRBin05
01-29-2006, 11:35 PM
Not sure if anyone notices but he runs just upright as you can get but he doesn't get tackled? Not sure how it works in the NCAA but I doubt it will work in the NFL. 6'5 running high=knee injury.

txlonghorn14
01-30-2006, 01:10 PM
i think he'll be able to adjust to whatever is facing him. i look at the sidearm throw as a trademark.

TheOgre
01-30-2006, 01:27 PM
hell, Jake Plummer throws left-handed.

As does Steve Young, Boomer Esiason (I think), Mark Brunell, and Michael Vick. You have a problem with us lefties? I put a left-handed curse upon you stevo. :eek:

Dr. Toro
01-30-2006, 02:34 PM
Y'know it's obviously not ideal to throw 3/4 or sidearm, but sometimes unorthodox deliveries can help, especially if they are quick or are tough for defenses to anticipate/read. The thought is that he'll get some balls batted down and he'll certainly get more batted down than if he threw over the top, but he's 6'5" and does a lot of throwing on the move, so I don't see it being a huge problem. We saw how Cutler got 2 in a row batted down with his "perfect delivery" in the Senior Bowl (BTW, how can a guy be that cocky after a 6-19 performance).

It might not be much of a problem at all, Jerry Gray said in a McClain article that to stop Vince he would probably have his DE's take wider angles to the QB so as not to get Frostee Ruckerized. That means passing lanes are gonna be a little wider than on average. I'm not saying everybody is gonna do this, but it gives you an idea how his running ability makes throwing the ball a little easier for him.

HoustonFrog
01-30-2006, 02:36 PM
I'm of the opinion that a QB can do what he wants as long as he gets the job done. Look at Bernie Kosar or some others. Everyone trys to fit balls to guys best they know how. If they are successful, then so be it. If every QB needed the perfect motion and arm strength then Ryan Leaf would have 5 SBs.

kastofsna
01-31-2006, 11:14 AM
we don't know if young can "get it done" with his delivery, though. and i don't get the ryan leaf analogy, but whatever

TheOgre
01-31-2006, 11:18 AM
and i don't get the ryan leaf analogy, but whatever

Ryan Leaf and Jeff George (my addition) both had rockets for arms and near perfect form, but lacked any intangibles to get the job done. I think that was what he meant with the Leaf comment.

kastofsna
01-31-2006, 11:22 AM
yes, but so does carson palmer. leaf didn't win anything because he was a headcase. nothing to do with his play (which he actually improved on during his rookie season, and would've gotten better had he not had the ridiculous off-the-field problems)