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bulldawgtexan
01-27-2006, 12:15 PM
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.

SheTexan
01-27-2006, 12:17 PM
interesting!! I have a very reliable source also, and I haven't heard that at all.

chall8
01-27-2006, 12:19 PM
No disrespect, but you're going to have to do better than that...

I do hope you are right though.

Holden135
01-27-2006, 12:20 PM
I doubt any of you have reliable sources. Unless your name is Casserly, Kubiak or McNair you probobly have no idea what is going on. No team ever makes up their mind about a draft choice before the nfl combines and the senior bowl. I think free agency will have a lot to do with who we draft as well. You guys need to calm down about all the draft talk. We have quite a while before any decisions are made.

DRAMA
01-27-2006, 12:21 PM
Not gonna happen, Vince! Stop posting on these boards!! :rolleyes:

jerek
01-27-2006, 12:21 PM
It is not that I don't believe you or your source, it is just that I would doubt the decision has been cast in stone a good three months prior to the fact. Especially before we have even seen the combine.

I would not be in the least upset if we made a solid trade, but I question how the decision has already been made.

Any further info on the nature of this trade, with whom and what we'll get?

Buffi2
01-27-2006, 12:26 PM
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.
Well, I don't have an extremely reliable source - but I did listen to NFL live on ESPN and they said that trading down was the only answer to the Texan problems. They elaborated by saying that you couldn't win anything with the QB running for his life and that the OL had to learn how to protect a QB before anything else happened. This is a total paraphrase. This was after a very short interview with Kubiak. I tend to agree with them...I think.:cool:

tulexan
01-27-2006, 12:29 PM
Actually Mark Schlereth was the one who said that trading down was the only option. The other guy (can't remember his name. he was a former Cowboy) said that they should take Reggie Bush. There is a lot of disagreement everywhere on every show and there is a case for each argument.

Lucky
01-27-2006, 12:29 PM
interesting!! I have a very reliable source also, and I haven't heard that at all.
No offense to bulldawgtexan, but I'm more interested in what you've heard. Are you free to tell us anything?

Daonly
01-27-2006, 12:31 PM
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.

You're Anti-Reggie Bush, I checked all your posts, you making stuff up, your last ditch effort to save your faint Dreams to drafting Young or trading down, Sorry guy ;you dead meat on death row. :stirpot:

Dime
01-27-2006, 12:32 PM
I have heard from a awesome and reliable source that we are going to either Take Bush, or VY, or Lienhart, or trade down... SHhhhhhhhhh.. dont tell anyone...

TEXANS84
01-27-2006, 12:35 PM
I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Dime
01-27-2006, 12:36 PM
You're Anti-Reggie Bush, I checked all your posts, you making stuff up, your last ditch effort to save your faint Dreams to drafting Young or trading down, Sorry guy ;you dead meat on death row. :stirpot:

Personally, If you have seen how much George Sr and George Jr has had to dodge stuff and speed run from other things, I think the Bush blood cant ever get tackled... hmm... Maybe we should take him..... Nahhhh... Trade down Baby!

BigBull17
01-27-2006, 12:41 PM
I like trading down but I dont see us getting good enough value in a trade to justify doing it. This year is TOOOO deep at alot of possitions to have people breaking the bank, especially at RB.:twocents:

Xman
01-27-2006, 12:46 PM
I think it is possible that we made a decision to consider trading down. Thats about it.

Besides, who will we deal with?
Especially before all the scouting has taken place.

By the way, I am tired of hearing all this "trade with the jets" and "after we trade with the Jets" talk. IF YOU were the Jets, would you trade with us? - - - NO.
Why not? Because,
(i) The Jets need a lot of players also
(ii) Jets are WAY over the cap and will suck another year no matter what - which means giving up a #1 next year would be a big mistake (especially with O'Quin and APeterson sitting there),
(iii) the 4th pick fills a need with a stud player (the Jets need a LOT, QB, RB and DE (assuming Abraham is let go or traded because they can't afford to keep him).
(iv) cap problems - they are way over the cap and larger contracts will be harder to deal with.

Why trade up when they can fill a huge need and keep their #1 pick next year.
So, not happening. Unless we deal the #1 pick cheap - which would be a mistake.

The same thing pretty much goes for NO and Tenn also. They can sit still and fill their needs.

But, Green Bay may deal up - - if Favre plays another year.
Or, Oakland and SF (or others with lower picks) ,may deal up - - but that is a long drop.

tulexan
01-27-2006, 12:50 PM
I like trading down but I dont see us getting good enough value in a trade to justify doing it. This year is TOOOO deep at alot of possitions to have people breaking the bank, especially at RB.:twocents:


That is exactly how I feel. The draft is way too deep at RB for some team to break the bank to draft Reggie Bush. There are also going to be FA's like Ahman Green, Edgerrin James, and Shaun Alexander available too. If a team is desperate to draft a RB in the first round, they can get a guy like DeAngelo Williams, LenDale White, or Laurence Maroney. Later in the draft you are going to have guys like Calhoun, Drew, Norwood, Washington, and Humes available too. This reminds me of that draft a few years ago when there was a glut of top receivers available like Fitzgerald, Evans, Williams, Clayton, and Woods only the talent at RB is better top to bottom in this draft than it was at receiver a few years ago.

I don't mind trading down and getting a guy like D'Brick, Williams, or Hawk, but I don't want to give away the pick just to trade down.

TheOgre
01-27-2006, 12:59 PM
But what if that team wants Lineart or Young (say the Jets, Raiders, Cardinals) and assume they will be gone?

tulexan
01-27-2006, 01:15 PM
New Orleans definitely is willing to trade the pick. Benson is by far the cheapest owner in the NFL and would be more than willing to drop down a few spots to save a couple million dollars. He does not care about winning, all he cares about is making a profit.

LongBignasty1
01-27-2006, 02:02 PM
If the Texans decide to trade down(which is pure speculation at this point) i would love to pick up Max-Jean Gilles.....that dude is awesome! you can watch him at the senior bowl drills at NFL.com

D-ReK
01-27-2006, 02:06 PM
If the Texans decide to trade down(which is pure speculation at this point) i would love to pick up Max-Jean Gilles.....that dude is awesome! you can watch him at the senior bowl drills at NFL.com

If we implement Denver's zone blocking scheme, which I think we will, you might as well give up all hope for Jean-Gilles since he simply doesn't fit the scheme...Eslinger, Setterstrom, and Mangold are much better fits that will be available in the 3rd, in all likelihood...

Bubbajwp
01-27-2006, 02:07 PM
You know im very good friends with Mr. McNair and he told me he was going to trade the pick for cash and sell the team.

tulexan
01-27-2006, 02:08 PM
Colledge looked very good in the practices and he isn't that big of a guy. I think we could definitely get him in the 2nd, but I'm not sure if he is worth the 33rd pick.

LongBignasty1
01-27-2006, 02:09 PM
I would rather have Mcneil or Winston or Thomas than Colledge. Just my take

D-ReK
01-27-2006, 02:12 PM
I would rather have Mcneil or Winston or Thomas than Colledge. Just my take

McNeill is too big to work in a zone blocking scheme...By Thomas, do you mean Joe Thomas from Wisconsin? If so, he tore his ACL, IIRC, in his bowl game and didn't declare for the draft...I like Winston and Colledge about equally, so if either are available at 33, I'd take one of them...This is, of course, if we don't pick Brick in the 1st...

4Texans
01-27-2006, 02:15 PM
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.

I think you're source is about 33.3% correct. I don't think they know what they're going to do with the pick. Maybe it is Bush or Young, and maybe they can get more value at of trading it. I think they'll be closer to deciding after the combine and pro days. I believe they do want to look at trading the pick, because they are more than one player away from being a winning team.

But McNair wants to win now, or at least be above .500.

Huge
01-27-2006, 02:36 PM
My source can beat your source up.

Bubbajwp
01-27-2006, 02:43 PM
My source can beat your source up.
NO HE CANT!:crying:

My source is :superman:

jaayteetx
01-27-2006, 02:49 PM
If we implement Denver's zone blocking scheme, which I think we will, you might as well give up all hope for Jean-Gilles since he simply doesn't fit the scheme...Eslinger, Setterstrom, and Mangold are much better fits that will be available in the 3rd, in all likelihood...

Correct me if I'me wrong, but didn't we run the zone blocking scheme this year?

D-ReK
01-27-2006, 02:53 PM
Correct me if I'me wrong, but didn't we run the zone blocking scheme this year?

We did, but there are different variations of the scheme...Personally, I don't feel like the old staff did what was necessary to get the players that fit the scheme, and that's where Kubiak, and hopefully Alex Gibbs, come into the equation...It's kind of hard to be successful in a scheme that requires smaller, more agile linemen when you have stiffs like Todd Wade and Milford Brown...

LongBignasty1
01-27-2006, 02:56 PM
no not thomas but scott from UT

D-ReK
01-27-2006, 03:03 PM
no not thomas but scott from UT

Ahh, I see...I like Jon Scott, and wouldn't mind taking him either, if he's available at 33...Rumor has it that the Chiefs are high on him though, and may take him at 20...

alphajoker
01-27-2006, 03:12 PM
Not gonna happen, Vince! Stop posting on these boards!! :rolleyes:

Good one!!!:ok:

swtbound07
01-27-2006, 03:23 PM
i actually do have a reliable source (a scout) who flat out said that he cant discuss proceedings until after the draft at risk of his job....this man is one of my close friends and cant even tell ME...i doubt there is a fountain of information there for ya buddy

Haams
01-27-2006, 03:29 PM
My reliable source says we are drafting Vince Young, then David Thomas, then making the trade with Miami for Ricky and changing our colors to burnt orange. Wait a minute...that was the dream I had last night.

Caesar
01-27-2006, 05:01 PM
The Texans won't take Scott even if he's available.

And I doubt they'll trade the pick. That would make too much sense.

MikeMc
01-27-2006, 05:26 PM
The "other" guy would be Darren Woodson. His takes are pathetic. Stink is the man, and he and Kube are close friends.....Hmmmm....the real insider??

All of this VY or RB is hype to keep everyone on their toes......it is the biggest teaser since...I don't know when! ESPN ratings are going through the roof, and MBs are getting crazy hits.

In the end, the Texans will trade the pick, saving the risk and costs associated, and build a better team.

Too often the VY is from Houston take is getting ridiculous. I can;t even listen to 610 or 790 am radio because you have everyone & their mamma calling in to say why the Texans need VY. I wish Rich, Mark & Chalie would go to different callers with fresh takes, not the same "Can I give a shout-out for VY" callers!

the-wiz
01-27-2006, 05:47 PM
I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

classic.

Spoda
01-28-2006, 10:35 AM
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Bubbajwp
01-28-2006, 11:13 AM
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Spoda
01-28-2006, 11:43 AM
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i am just sick of that as well..you think green bay cares if a player played at wisconsin or grew up there?? no....

SheTexan
01-28-2006, 12:19 PM
No offense to bulldawgtexan, but I'm more interested in what you've heard. Are you free to tell us anything?


No Lucky, I am not. I respect and honor the confidence that has been placed in me to keep my mouth shut, until I am told otherwise. Besides, it's kinda fun to KNOW some things that some of these couch coaches can only speculate. I get NO self satisfaction out of coming to this board and trying to prove what I know. I just play along and enjoy the thought that HA, I already knew that!! lol Also, things change everyday in the scheme of things. It's all just a big gamble anyway!

Caesar
01-28-2006, 12:47 PM
you think green bay cares if a player played at wisconsin or grew up there??
If San Diego (Reggie's home town) had the # 1 pick, how do you think Charger fans would react if they passed on Bush?

Spoda
01-28-2006, 12:52 PM
If San Diego (Reggie's home town) had the # 1 pick, how do you think Charger fans would react if they passed on Bush?


no they would pass..they have LT

SESupergenius
01-28-2006, 01:51 PM
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.
I doubt that being that the draft is like 3 months away. We still have a lot of evaluation to do and the coaching staff hasn't even been assembled. Besides, there are way to many players going to be let go before the draft to see where we can get the best bang for our buck. Nice try but the decision is far from being made.

houstonhurricane
01-28-2006, 01:57 PM
It is WAY too early for any team to committing trading their top pick or trading for one...serious discussions can only begin after the combines and individual workouts. I think the Texans will have a hard time getting any solid enough offers to trade down. IMO New Orleans and/or the Titans are in a much better situation for doing so...

beerlover
01-28-2006, 02:05 PM
the only thing that seems certain at this point is that the Texans plan to extend Carr which should tell everyone all they need to know :spy:

MorKnolle
01-28-2006, 02:42 PM
the only thing that seems certain at this point is that the Texans plan to extend Carr which should tell everyone all they need to know :spy:

Agreed, this is about all that has definitively been said, and it does give an indication into what they may (or more specifically what they won't do) with the #1 pick, but between drafting Bush or trading down I do not believe that a decision has been made, and if a definitive decision has been made I don't see a trade down as that decision. As has been mentioned, no one is going to make a final decision on who they are going to pick three months before the draft and before the combine and workouts, as they don't have a very good idea what many of the top prospects are capable of doing and I'm sure no teams have offered a serious trade yet since they too do not have a great evaluation of most of the players involved, not to mention we have a month or more of free agency before the draft happens. I could see the a team deciding for sure that they want a certain player a month or so before the draft, but they aren't going to make up their mind for sure that they are going to trade down when they don't really know who they are targeting yet and where they need to be in order to draft that person, and other teams haven't done similar evaluations to make a good trade. Deciding for sure that they want to trade down at this point would likely lead them to take less of a trade than they otherwise would, they might say that they would like to trade down and will evaluate the trade offers from now until the draft with the hope of getting an offer good enough to take, but they can't make an absolute decision that they will trade down this early.

BigBull17
01-31-2006, 11:04 AM
But what if that team wants Lineart or Young (say the Jets, Raiders, Cardinals) and assume they will be gone?

But Qb isnt chump change this year either. With Cutler impressing the h*** out of people. Then you have later picks with guys like Omar Jacobs and homeboy from Penn State. At the end of the draft you have a game of rulette with the Vick squared. Very deep draft.

HoustonFrog
01-31-2006, 11:09 AM
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.

Months before the draft?Wow, I DO belie:rolleyes: ve you

kris39900
04-11-2006, 08:29 PM
Hi Texan fans.
I just joined the board but have been a Texan fan since their inception.
I would like to ask two questions?
I am a LSU fan, so Dominick has been one of my favorites. By drafting Bush, what does that do for Dominick? Also Vernand Morency is suppose to be the star of the future. What does that do for him?

Grid
04-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Hi Kris.

Domanick is one of my favorites too.. and if we drafted Bush the most likely scenario is that Domanick and Bush would share carries. This would be alot easier on both of them, protecting them from injury due to wear and tear.

Morency has never really been considered our "star of the future".. he was intended, i think, when we drafted him, to be the guy to share carries with DD. It didnt happen before the new staff got the boot though. Morency still needs alot of polish, and im thinking it is most likely that he will ride the pine until his contract is up, then he will make a go at it somewhere else.

infantrycak
04-11-2006, 09:35 PM
Morency still needs alot of polish, and im thinking it is most likely that he will ride the pine until his contract is up, then he will make a go at it somewhere else.

The one problem with Morency and why I could see him making problems is he is already 26 years old. When he gets done with this contract he will be 29 years old. What are the odds on him ever getting a significant FA contract at that age without having serious starting success here which is unlikely behind Bush and DD.

Grid
04-11-2006, 10:41 PM
yah his career might be over before it starts. Id be more than happy to use him as trade bait.. get him somewhere where he could get his chance.. but I dont see how we can. Now that Wells looks like he might sign elsewhere..we need the depth.

Chicagotexan1
04-12-2006, 09:01 AM
I have it from a very reliable source that the Mojave Desert metro area will soon be the next boom town.

kris39900
04-12-2006, 10:37 AM
Dominick could use the help. If Morency isn't as strong as they first thought he might be, I can see getting Bush. I cannot see Bush ahead of DD. I do have a feeling however the Texans will trade down.

MorKnolle
04-12-2006, 10:51 PM
Dominick could use the help. If Morency isn't as strong as they first thought he might be, I can see getting Bush. I cannot see Bush ahead of DD. I do have a feeling however the Texans will trade down.

Bush will easily start over Domanick. I've been as much of a fan of Domanick as anyone else, but he has a certain limit to his capabilities and potential that Bush far surpasses.

HJam72
04-13-2006, 12:58 AM
Bush will easily start over Domanick. I've been as much of a fan of Domanick as anyone else, but he has a certain limit to his capabilities and potential that Bush far surpasses.

I agree, but I would still start DD, let him wear on the defense, and bring in Bush later. To me, this isn't about who's better, but rather about what I think would work best overall. Of course, you don't want to limit Bush's carries anymore than necessary.

threetoedpete
04-13-2006, 01:27 AM
I agree, but I would still start DD, let him wear on the defense, and bring in Bush later. To me, this isn't about who's better, but rather about what I think would work best overall. Of course, you don't want to limit Bush's carries anymore than necessary.
First welcome Kriss. Good job on reading befor posting. Luv LSU. Always good football players there.

I'm with you Ham. Bush starts as the third down back. DD carries the load. 2nd and long, third and long, bring Bush off the bench into the slot. Lots of folks have swallowed the hook, I'm still nibbeling. 201 is still 201. I do believe He'd be ok as the KR. If I was going to try to move anyone it would be Mathis. He'll never have a higher value than he does now. If we could get another day one pick for him I'd make the move. JMHO.

JAXwithanX
04-13-2006, 03:25 AM
I don't think we are going to be using the Number 1 pick....and the money that comes along with it as a situational player. Cause thats basically what people are saying when you say he will you come in the game after DD wears down a defense or he will come in on certain downs. First off....DD isn't the type of back to wear down a defense anyways, and second....if we draft Bush, by the 3rd game he will be starting. the only reason he won't be starting the first two is out of respect for DD and to help Bush get into the feeling of an NFL game.

And if he isn't starting by the 3rd game....he will be at least taking 75% of the running touches.

HJam72
04-13-2006, 09:55 PM
I don't think we are going to be using the Number 1 pick....and the money that comes along with it as a situational player. Cause thats basically what people are saying when you say he will you come in the game after DD wears down a defense or he will come in on certain downs. First off....DD isn't the type of back to wear down a defense anyways, and second....if we draft Bush, by the 3rd game he will be starting. the only reason he won't be starting the first two is out of respect for DD and to help Bush get into the feeling of an NFL game.

And if he isn't starting by the 3rd game....he will be at least taking 75% of the running touches.

It's not really DD that would be wearing down the D, it's the O-line (well, hopefully). More than that though, my point was that, however many carries DD gets, I think they should be early in the game because I want Bush in there with the freshest legs possible and I want the D as tired as possible. What I'm doing is ignoring the designation of "starter" and calling them both "starters".

Bush, DD, AJ, Moulds. If the O-line holds up and Carr shows us something, we're going to need (and probably get) a lot of offensive plays.

Also, Bush can play in the slot some when DD is in there anyway. DD should definitely be used some because he's certainly getting paid for it.

MorKnolle
04-13-2006, 11:53 PM
I agree, but I would still start DD, let him wear on the defense, and bring in Bush later. To me, this isn't about who's better, but rather about what I think would work best overall. Of course, you don't want to limit Bush's carries anymore than necessary.

I don't know how much Davis is really going to wear down opposing defenses for Reggie, if anything having Reggie run all over the field will wear defenses down then you bring Domanick in to spell Reggie. Either way I think Bush will still get 60+% of the carries on average and matchups with the opposing defense will determine who gets more or less carries each game.

JAXwithanX
04-14-2006, 12:08 AM
It's not really DD that would be wearing down the D, it's the O-line (well, hopefully). More than that though, my point was that, however many carries DD gets, I think they should be early in the game because I want Bush in there with the freshest legs possible and I want the D as tired as possible. What I'm doing is ignoring the designation of "starter" and calling them both "starters".

Bush, DD, AJ, Moulds. If the O-line holds up and Carr shows us something, we're going to need (and probably get) a lot of offensive plays.

Also, Bush can play in the slot some when DD is in there anyway. DD should definitely be used some because he's certainly getting paid for it.

I understand what you are saying. But i'm hopeful that if we are going to be drafting anyone with the 1st pick....we are high enough on him to expect him to be able to come into a game and have an impact without having another guy tire out the defense. Having someone in there doing the dirty work makes Bush a situational player no matter how you slice it. And i don't think or at least hope we wouldn't use this pick on a guy we can't expect to go out there and start right away. After all it thats one of the many reasons we aren't looking at a QB. The need for an immediate impact....throughout a game...not on 3rd down or the 3rd and 4th quarters.