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Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 01:39 AM
This is a serious question (whether you want Vince, Bush, or Trade Down) and I wonder if any of you have given it any thought. Yes, this is way down the road but it is something to consider.

I have heard some of you say it is going to take 3 or 4 seasons before the Texans really start competing (that's obviously debatable). However, let's say 4 seasons since most coaches are given about that to start seeing results. By then I believe Carr will be 31 years old. Some guys are in their prime at 31 however some due taking a lot of hits at the NFL level are pretty broken down by their early 30's. Remember Troy Aikman? He took a ton of hits during his rookie season. He has often cited that season as taken a bad toll on his body that lingered. Obviously Carr took more hits than Aikman his rookie season since he set the NFL record. I think it is safe to say Carr has been living Aikman's rookie season for the last 4 years.

Aikman had the benefit of only having to suffer 1 real bad season. He had already won a Super Bowl at this point in Carr's career (season #4). Some of you will say that is because he was on a great team. True, and that is my point. Carr hasn't and doesn't have that luxury. I'm concerned about the long term effects of this.

So with all that said, is it reasonable to think that Carr is going to broken down like Aikman was in his early 30's? At the rate he is going he might be ready to retire before 33. I do remember one CBS color guy making a comment like "at this rate (referring to the sacks), by the time the Texans start turning things around, Carr will be ready to retire." I don't know how serious he was but it made me stop and think.

Let's say Carr turns out to be a decent QB however starts to break down right around the time we get good enough to compete for the Super Bowl. It would be lame if the Texans had to start looking for QB around that time, right when we have a great team built around the QB position. QB is the toughest position to fill and if we are a decent team we will have to get lucky and get a replacement in the later rounds, i.e. New England and Brady.

Should or do you think the Texans will have this mind when they start evaluating the draft and the way to go about building this team? Do you think this is a non factor because the Texans will be good next season or the following? Do you think Carr is a super tough freak of nature in the sense that hits don't effect him like they did Aikman? (not ruling that out)

While I tried to avoid the "V" word in this post, is not the above a reasonable concern and give some validity to drafting a QB if they feel a great one is on the board? This definitely is factor in my opinion on what they should do.

kbourda
01-25-2006, 01:43 AM
You know what? That is an interesting question. I never really factored in his age. How old is Carr, btw?

AustinJB
01-25-2006, 01:50 AM
I definitely think this is a concern and should be considered. I don't think we'll even make the playoffs until at least two years. That means possible SB in 3-4 IMO. With that said, why not get value for Carr now, and let him go to a good team where he will make an impact immediately. By the time the team starts contending, the new QB should have developed, be in his prime, and be ready to be a full-time starter.

Even if you think that VY would not be an upgrade and at best an equal to what we have now, wouldn't this scenario still make sense?

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 01:50 AM
You know what? That is an interesting question. I never really factored in his age. How old is Carr, btw?

He was born in 79 so that should make him 26 or 27, not sure of the month.

FirstTexansFan
01-25-2006, 02:03 AM
The key word is QB...VY isn't one irregardless of how much you guys wish him to be. Yes, I've read everything on this guy, and seen all the media hype and BS hype that is continually posted here. You can try this debate at any angle you please, but everything you post is hypothetical. VY is MV in a larger package. A package that will crumple into broken pieces taking the same beating that David Carr has taken with this team. Now, I'm all for crippling most tsips, but he seems like a nice kid, so why wish this on him? Let your god go play somewhere else where he stands a chance on being a great WR :) And NO, I'm not a Reggie guy either. I wish I could buy these guys for what they're worth, and sell them for the hype of what everyone else thinks they are worth. I'd retire a rich man. My only hope is, some dumb GM somewhere believes the hype and is willing to trade the kitchen sink for a shot at either of these guys. Then we can fill some positions that are sorely lacking on this squad. Now bash away, my "I told you so" will follow as soon as your god goes BUST as a draft pick :)

MojoX
01-25-2006, 02:11 AM
I think Carr will be 27 when the 2006 season begins. His age and the time it may take to right this ship puts the Texans in a tight spot when they are looking both Young and Leinart in the mouth. Both Young and Leinart will be 23 at the start of the 2006 season.

AustinJB
01-25-2006, 02:13 AM
The key word is QB...VY isn't one irregardless of how much you guys wish him to be. Yes, I've read everything on this guy, and seen all the media hype and BS hype that is continually posted here. You can try this debate at any angle you please, but everything you post is hypothetical. VY is MV in a larger package. A package that will crumple into broken pieces taking the same beating that David Carr has taken with this team. Now, I'm all for crippling most tsips, but he seems like a nice kid, so why wish this on him? Let your god go play somewhere else where he stands a chance on being a great WR :) And NO, I'm not a Reggie guy either. I wish I could buy these guys for what they're worth, and sell them for the hype of what everyone else thinks they are worth. I'd retire a rich man. My only hope is, some dumb GM somewhere believes the hype and is willing to trade the kitchen sink for a shot at either of these guys. Then we can fill some positions that are sorely lacking on this squad. Now bash away, my "I told you so" will follow as soon as your god goes BUST as a draft pick :)

What exactly makes you think he isn't a QB? Are you kidding me? A larger Vick? Jeez!! Have you compared their stats? Vick was nowhere near the passer when he came out of college that VY is. And our posts are hypothetical. What are yours? Guess you obviously have a crystal ball that none of us have.:rolleyes:

You better hope you're right about him being a bust b/c when/if he becomes a great QB you will get plenty of "I told you so" too.:ok:

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 02:24 AM
The key word is QB...VY isn't one irregardless of how much you guys wish him to be. Yes, I've read everything on this guy, and seen all the media hype and BS hype that is continually posted here. You can try this debate at any angle you please, but everything you post is hypothetical. VY is MV in a larger package. A package that will crumple into broken pieces taking the same beating that David Carr has taken with this team. Now, I'm all for crippling most tsips, but he seems like a nice kid, so why wish this on him? Let your god go play somewhere else where he stands a chance on being a great WR :) And NO, I'm not a Reggie guy either. I wish I could buy these guys for what they're worth, and sell them for the hype of what everyone else thinks they are worth. I'd retire a rich man. My only hope is, some dumb GM somewhere believes the hype and is willing to trade the kitchen sink for a shot at either of these guys. Then we can fill some positions that are sorely lacking on this squad. Now bash away, my "I told you so" will follow as soon as your god goes BUST as a draft pick :)

OK, I will mark you down as Carr will be playing into his late 40's. Good points.

kbourda
01-25-2006, 02:31 AM
The key word is QB...VY isn't one irregardless of how much you guys wish him to be. Yes, I've read everything on this guy, and seen all the media hype and BS hype that is continually posted here. You can try this debate at any angle you please, but everything you post is hypothetical. VY is MV in a larger package. A package that will crumple into broken pieces taking the same beating that David Carr has taken with this team. Now, I'm all for crippling most tsips, but he seems like a nice kid, so why wish this on him? Let your god go play somewhere else where he stands a chance on being a great WR :) And NO, I'm not a Reggie guy either. I wish I could buy these guys for what they're worth, and sell them for the hype of what everyone else thinks they are worth. I'd retire a rich man. My only hope is, some dumb GM somewhere believes the hype and is willing to trade the kitchen sink for a shot at either of these guys. Then we can fill some positions that are sorely lacking on this squad. Now bash away, my "I told you so" will follow as soon as your god goes BUST as a draft pick :)

This post is obviously to get a rise out of people. For the last time, if you think VY is hype, look at the body of work.

rittenhouserobz
01-25-2006, 06:32 AM
I would still contend. The best team for Vince Young is Atlanta. The coaches there are used to Mike Vick, and they would be able to mold him better than the Texan's. Young could use Mike Vick's experience as a valuable tool; whereas, Carr's experience in the NFL may not help Vince Young develop.

I would be in favor of signing Vince Young once has has been polished as a running QB and Carr is either retiring or moved to another team. Bottomline, I don't think the Texans have the people to develop Young as much as a team like Atlanta.

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 07:07 AM
I would still contend. The best team for Vince Young is Atlanta. The coaches there are used to Mike Vick, and they would be able to mold him better than the Texan's. Young could use Mike Vick's experience as a valuable tool; whereas, Carr's experience in the NFL may not help Vince Young develop.

I would be in favor of signing Vince Young once has has been polished as a running QB and Carr is either retiring or moved to another team. Bottomline, I don't think the Texans have the people to develop Young as much as a team like Atlanta.

Vince could change his mind and go play in the NHL for all we know. I don't see how that has anything to do with the state of David Carr when we get to the point of being real good.

Spoda
01-25-2006, 07:14 AM
this is laughable...carr is too old now??? you tsips are really grasping for straws now...the fact is there are questions about vince...and reggie...just because someone thinks vince will not be a good pro does not mean they have anti burnt orange glasses...while i can't predict his future, some NFL scouts have said he still may not go in the top 5 because of the concerns they have(slinging dog crap from his hand throwing motion)...i went to tech so i don't have this hatred for UT unless they play my beloved red raiders, but the fact remains we need playerS in here...not vince...if you actually believe if you could switch the fates of vince and carr and that vince would have done any better without snappping a leg ala vick than carr did...i think you are mistaken....and i honestly believe that if vince was from maryland and went to georgia...and they won the championship, nearly everyone on this board would be screaming for bush ...i am still firmly entrenched in the trade the pick for a kings ransome camp....and and the bush camp second...i just think taking vince is a mistake...unless we could trade carr for a first rounder...anything less would be a mistake..but this will not happen

HJam72
01-25-2006, 07:56 AM
The key word is QB...VY isn't one irregardless of how much you guys wish him to be. Yes, I've read everything on this guy, and seen all the media hype and BS hype that is continually posted here. You can try this debate at any angle you please, but everything you post is hypothetical. VY is MV in a larger package. A package that will crumple into broken pieces taking the same beating that David Carr has taken with this team. Now, I'm all for crippling most tsips, but he seems like a nice kid, so why wish this on him? Let your god go play somewhere else where he stands a chance on being a great WR :) And NO, I'm not a Reggie guy either. I wish I could buy these guys for what they're worth, and sell them for the hype of what everyone else thinks they are worth. I'd retire a rich man. My only hope is, some dumb GM somewhere believes the hype and is willing to trade the kitchen sink for a shot at either of these guys. Then we can fill some positions that are sorely lacking on this squad. Now bash away, my "I told you so" will follow as soon as your god goes BUST as a draft pick :)


Wow, what a refreshing, descenting opinion. I'm not THAT down on VY, but I do wish some dummy would give us everything and the kitchen sink for that pick. I'm also VERY worried about taking Bush. I've just got a really bad feeling about him in the NFL....well, as a RB anyway.

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 08:05 AM
This post is obviously to get a rise out of people. For the last time, if you think VY is hype, look at the body of work.

Every college player is hype until they prove themselves in the NFL. There is NO such thing as a sure-fire NFL HOF coming out of college.

I think Vince will be very successful, but that is based on his improvement from his sophomore season to his junior season. Some players peak in college. If he has already peaked, he will not even be a below average QB. Again, I do not think this is the case, but NOBODY really knows at this point. The draft truly is a crapshoot, so everyone saying he will DEFINITELY be an All-Pro QB is blowing just as much hot air as those who say he is better suited as a WR.

Big B Texan Fan
01-25-2006, 08:16 AM
Let's say:
Texans sign Carr to the 3 yr option,
Then with a new staff and a bad team plus reggie b we still only win 4 games,
Season 2 we win 6 games,
Season 3 we go 7-9 or 9-7.
Now what do you do?
The 3 years is up, do you resign him for more years, more millions?
That's 7 years with NO PLAYOFFS appearances.
Is it OK to draft a QB then, or aquire one through FA,
Irregardless is it OK to then give him some competition for the position?

chuckm
01-25-2006, 08:19 AM
Let's say:
Texans sign Carr to the 3 yr option,
Then with a new staff and a bad team plus reggie b we still only win 4 games,
Season 2 we win 6 games,
Season 3 we go 7-9 or 9-7.
Now what do you do?
The 3 years is up, do you resign him for more years, more millions?
That's 7 years with NO PLAYOFFS appearances.
Is it OK to draft a QB then, or aquire one through FA,
Irregardless is it OK to then give him some competition for the position?

Let's say:
Texans sign Carr to the 3 yr option,
Then with a new staff and a bad team plus reggie b we still only win 6 games,
Season 2 we win 9 games,
Season 3 we go 11-5 and host a playoff game.
Now what do you do?
Smile and wish I could remember the names of all you gloom and doomers

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 08:24 AM
Do not really care how long he lasts. I just want a QB that guides us to wins and whose contract is commensurate to his cohorts. If that person is DC I am fine with it. To date he has not lived up to either measurement.

FirstTexansFan
01-25-2006, 08:26 AM
I have an idea! Why don't you moderators create a Vince Young/Reggie Bush is GAWD heading, then move all this worship elsewhere. Attempts to disguise postings with different names by many here, cause alot of needless time reading what is just another VY posting. You can paint a turd any color ya want, but it's still a turd. We have a new coach, lets talk about what's really happening with this team, and stay away from flights of fantasy, and what if we pick VY/RB. No single player is our savior, and never will be. Only one person will change the future of this team, and that one person is the COACH. I have a better idea, lets move all this fantasy football stuff to "No Sports Talk Allowed" because that's the gist of anything I've read from any pro-Young or pro-Bush poster. Seriously, multiple threads on the same subject have really made the last month unbearable here. Go back and look, I never posted here, I just read and remember how enjoyable that was? I promise to go back to READ mode only if we can only make the PAIN go away! ;)

Big B Texan Fan
01-25-2006, 08:31 AM
Let's say:
Texans sign Carr to the 3 yr option,
Then with a new staff and a bad team plus reggie b we still only win 6 games,
Season 2 we win 9 games,
Season 3 we go 11-5 and host a playoff game.
Now what do you do?
Smile and wish I could remember the names of all you gloom and doomers
Let's say:
Texans sign Carr to the 3 yr option
New staff on red bulls get us to the playoffs/afc championship in season one with an 8-8 record. Carr still gets sacked 55 times but hey, it's improvement
We lose it but FO gives Carr renewed contract worth 8 yrs $100 million.
Then we never make it back.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 08:31 AM
I have an idea! Why don't you moderators create a Vince Young/Reggie Bush is GAWD heading, then move all this worship elsewhere. Attempts to disguise postings with different names by many here, cause alot of needless time reading what is just another VY posting. You can paint a turd any color ya want, but it's still a turd. We have a new coach, lets talk about what's really happening with this team, and stay away from flights of fantasy, and what if we pick VY/RB. No single player is our savior, and never will be. Only one person will change the future of this team, and that one person is the COACH. I have a better idea, lets move all this fantasy football stuff to "No Sports Talk Allowed" because that's the gist of anything I've read from any pro-Young or pro-Bush poster. Seriously, multiple threads on the same subject have really made the last month unbearable here. Go back and look, I never posted here, I just read and remember how enjoyable that was? I promise to go back to READ mode only if we can only make the PAIN go away! ;)

You have the ability to ignore certain posters and dive into a rainbow of forums if you want to stay away form the VY/Bush debate. Moreover, you could contribute to the VY/Bush cleansing by not bringing them up yourself. Twice in this thread by the way.

We are all guilty as posters and moderators of getting off topic from time to time. :cool:

chuckm
01-25-2006, 08:34 AM
You have the ability to ignore certain posters and dive into a rainbow of forums if you want to stay away form the VY/Bush debate. Moreover, you could contribute to the VY/Bush cleansing by not bringing them up yourself. Twice in this thread by the way.

We are all guilty as posters and moderators of getting off topic from time to time. :cool:


yea and then again you can reply to them and stir the pot by being just as s t u p i d as they are .... it's not all that mature but hey I'll save raising kids, paying bills, working too much, worrying about paying my property taxes, .... for my mature thoughts

chuckm
01-25-2006, 09:08 AM
You have the ability to ignore certain posters and dive into a rainbow of forums if you want to stay away form the VY/Bush debate. Moreover, you could contribute to the VY/Bush cleansing by not bringing them up yourself. Twice in this thread by the way.

We are all guilty as posters and moderators of getting off topic from time to time. :cool:


in all seriousness, Kasier's on the right track ... this board has degenerated from a place to exchange opinions and Texans news to a ridiculous daily back and forth rantfest over David Carr vs Vince Young, Reggie Bush vs Vince Young, ..... I look forward to the dust settling ....

Spoda
01-25-2006, 09:11 AM
in all seriousness, Kasier's on the right track ... this board has degenerated from a place to exchange opinions and Texans news to a ridiculous daily back and forth rantfest over David Carr vs Vince Young, Reggie Bush vs Vince Young, ..... I look forward to the dust settling ....


the burnt orange dust

SESupergenius
01-25-2006, 09:27 AM
Anytime now that you mention Carr and Vince Youing in the same thread, it's automatically a one sided debate. So if you want to have some credibility for a serious debate then I suggest not pitting one player against another in yet another endless debate about the two.

Carr's age means absolutely nothing when he is barely 27 years old. If he played it right he's easily got another 10 years ahead of him, plenty of time to turn this team around. This team can be turned around as early as next season, I don't know where the 3-4 years comes from. Just look how Lovie Smith turned around Chicago going from 5-11 to 11-5. Know your history kids.

BigBull17
01-25-2006, 09:55 AM
Let's say:
Texans sign Carr to the 3 yr option,
Then with a new staff and a bad team plus reggie b we still only win 4 games,
Season 2 we win 6 games,
Season 3 we go 7-9 or 9-7.
Now what do you do?
The 3 years is up, do you resign him for more years, more millions?
That's 7 years with NO PLAYOFFS appearances.
Is it OK to draft a QB then, or aquire one through FA,
Irregardless is it OK to then give him some competition for the position?

Yeah get competition, but NOT in the form of the highly coveted and immensly valuable #1 PICK! Get a good FA and maybe a low draft pick but not #1 overall. I know its not even possible, with VY being omnipotent and able to throw TD's with his mind, but what if you pay the man all that money and use the valuable #1 pick and Carr beats out VY. Then you have a highly paid lawn flamingo and you lost all that value for a QB compitition. And Aikman had a problem with recuring concussions, which thankfully Carr hasnt had to my knowlege.

HoustonFrog
01-25-2006, 09:56 AM
I have an idea! Why don't you moderators create a Vince Young/Reggie Bush is GAWD heading, then move all this worship elsewhere. Attempts to disguise postings with different names by many here, cause alot of needless time reading what is just another VY posting. You can paint a turd any color ya want, but it's still a turd. We have a new coach, lets talk about what's really happening with this team, and stay away from flights of fantasy, and what if we pick VY/RB. No single player is our savior, and never will be. Only one person will change the future of this team, and that one person is the COACH. I have a better idea, lets move all this fantasy football stuff to "No Sports Talk Allowed" because that's the gist of anything I've read from any pro-Young or pro-Bush poster. Seriously, multiple threads on the same subject have really made the last month unbearable here. Go back and look, I never posted here, I just read and remember how enjoyable that was? I promise to go back to READ mode only if we can only make the PAIN go away! ;)

You sure are a bitter person. Are you an Aggie fan?I can see why you would post about coaching because you don't have one really working for you right now. :). What is wrong with posting about who people think we should take?That is what a MB is for. Are there a ton of VY posts?Yes, but that is what happens when you have the worst team in the league and the #1 pick. Hopefully it won't happen again. So instead of ranting, bless us with some football knowledge..lol. If you don't like a thread, stay away and post something you like. Trading down and filling holes is great but if you expect to get to the next level with our offense, new line or not, I think you are silly. I say Bush is a person who can make defenses key on him, thus opening things up for whomever is the QB and receivers. He has a chance to take it all the way on every play and we don't have a game breaking back like that.

Wharton
01-25-2006, 10:06 AM
The thing that seems to do QBs in are concussions and knees - Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino? While I have not checked the records, I don't think DC has had any concussions yet and his knees are good. I don't think there is an argument here.

If your going to argue against DC, which I am more then happy to do, you may want to choose another subject like decision making ability, leadership, holding onto the ball too long, leadership, his hair, leadership. Well you get the point.

:twocents:

WWJD
01-25-2006, 10:22 AM
I think Troy played something like 11 or 12 years. Don't know about Dan or Steve but I'm sure they were in their 30's when they left also. Even with all the injuries all of these guys played for many years at the highest level.

I think it's almost a given that if David continues to take the punishment he has for the last 4 years he will get hurt.

tulexan
01-25-2006, 10:27 AM
The thing that seems to do QBs in are concussions and knees - Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino? While I have not checked the records, I don't think DC has had any concussions yet and his knees are good. I don't think there is an argument here.


That is what I was going to say. Concussions are what kills QBs and I don't think that Carr has had many if any in his NFL career.

WWJD
01-25-2006, 10:33 AM
Roger Staubach was forced to retire due to concussions also.

Shawn Alexander just suffered one a few weeks ago.

tulexan
01-25-2006, 10:43 AM
I think Troy played something like 11 or 12 years. Don't know about Dan or Steve but I'm sure they were in their 30's when they left also. Even with all the injuries all of these guys played for many years at the highest level.

I think it's almost a given that if David continues to take the punishment he has for the last 4 years he will get hurt.


Steve Young played until his mid to late 30's because he didn't even take over the starting job until he was around 30. He had to retire because he had too many concussions.

MojoX
01-25-2006, 10:45 AM
Anytime now that you mention Carr and Vince Youing in the same thread, it's automatically a one sided debate. So if you want to have some credibility for a serious debate then I suggest not pitting one player against another in yet another endless debate about the two.

Carr's age means absolutely nothing when he is barely 27 years old. If he played it right he's easily got another 10 years ahead of him, plenty of time to turn this team around. This team can be turned around as early as next season, I don't know where the 3-4 years comes from. Just look how Lovie Smith turned around Chicago going from 5-11 to 11-5. Know your history kids.
The turn around with this team could be anywhere from 1-4 seasons. If this is a Holmgren turnaround as opposed to a Smith one, then his age means a lot, only given the fact that the Texans are now in prime position to replace him (and I am not assuming it to be VY). I personally think that given the personnel, that Kubiak can turn this around in one season. I think the Texans should keep Carr, trade down, fix the line (either one, but preferably the Oline) and stock talent and future picks. Then, over the next few years, draft QBs on the second day hoping to find an insurance policy in case Carr goes down.

profan
01-25-2006, 11:03 AM
[QUOTE=FirstTexansFan] Now, I'm all for crippling most tsips, but he seems like a nice kid, so why wish this on him?

Your hate for ut simply makes your opinions worthless imo. Vince Young is a great qb who will succeed in the nfl. He's not going to come in and light it up his first year as few qb's do. So don't waste out time with any I told you so next year. Give it time. Try to stay focused on the title of this thread and take your anti Vince Young and ut comments to an appropriate thread. As for Carr, I think he will be with us for years to come if the pounding stops. Aikman had numerous concussions, and I don't think carr has had that problem. It was the concussions that took Aikman to retirement.

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 11:23 AM
this is laughable...carr is too old now???

Yes, this is way down the road but it is something to consider.

Actually, what is laughable is some of you either don't read the entire post because you just can't wait to hit "reply" and type in the word "tsip", or you went to A&M and just can't read period.

Glacier
01-25-2006, 11:29 AM
That is what I was going to say. Concussions are what kills QBs and I don't think that Carr has had many if any in his NFL career.


If what some of the fan base has said is true about DC being "shell shocked" or having "happy feet", it could be much worse than any physical injuries.....

he may need therapy to fix his broken pyche.

Spoda
01-25-2006, 11:30 AM
if we worry about how old players will be way down the road as you put it...why have any veterans? in 4 years they will be 4 years older...and we can't have that...can we? ok new rule..you get 4 years and you're out..cause we can't be havin guys who will be 4 years older 4 years down the line

bigTEXan8
01-25-2006, 11:34 AM
VY is MV in a larger package. A package that will crumple into broken pieces taking the same beating that David Carr has taken with this team.

Bless you sir. I've been saying that VY reminds me in MV, and I couldn't agree with you more.

Wharton
01-25-2006, 11:41 AM
Actually, what is laughable is some of you either don't read the entire post because you just can't wait to hit "reply" and type in the word "tsip", or you went to A&M and just can't read period.

Dude, your hilarious, you didn't even know what a tsip was until a few days ago and now your taking jabs at us - Ohhhh, Oh, my side hurts!! :rofl:

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 12:47 PM
Dude, your hilarious, you didn't even know what a tsip was until a few days ago and now your taking jabs at us - Ohhhh, Oh, my side hurts!! :rofl:

That is pretty funny isn't it? Glad you got a kick out of it.

Hervoyel
01-25-2006, 12:55 PM
Easily one of the most amusing (and least relevent) threads I've seen in a long, long time. Board time of course which moves forward somewhat like dog years but still, it's a pretty silly thread.

Too bad the Chargers hung on to Drew Brees while they were rebuilding and he got too old to help them once they got good. That Rivers pick was a stroke of pure genius wasn't it.

Do we start the Vince Young/Chuck Norris jokes now or is there a minimum post limit before they're allowed?

Glacier
01-25-2006, 01:05 PM
Easily one of the most amusing (and least relevent) threads I've seen in a long, long time. Board time of course which moves forward somewhat like dog years but still, it's a pretty silly thread.

Too bad the Chargers hung on to Drew Brees while they were rebuilding and he got too old to help them once they got good. That Rivers pick was a stroke of pure genius wasn't it.

Do we start the Vince Young/Chuck Norris jokes now or is there a minimum post limit before they're allowed?


how is questioning how much a QB has left not a legit topic? When Troy Aikman took all those beatings at the hands of Philly,they probably knocked 3-5 years off of his career. I think its a good question considering the beating that DC has taken. How much more is his body going to withstand?

BigBull17
01-25-2006, 01:14 PM
how is questioning how much a QB has left not a legit topic? When Troy Aikman took all those beatings at the hands of Philly,they probably knocked 3-5 years off of his career. I think its a good question considering the beating that DC has taken. How much more is his body going to withstand?

It is if your asking how much longer Brett Favre has left, or if Vinny Testiverty should be replaced. But to say that about a 26-27 year old QB is almost laughable.

Glacier
01-25-2006, 01:26 PM
It is if your asking how much longer Brett Favre has left, or if Vinny Testiverty should be replaced. But to say that about a 26-27 year old QB is almost laughable.


this is pro football. injury does not descriminate against age. Reggie could come in and blow out his knee on the first day of camp bad enough that it could threaten his career.


I think what people are wondering is, with the beating that Carr has taken, is his career being cut short prematurely? Being a Houston fan, you should be able to appreciate talented guys (Earl Campbell) body's failing them prematurely.

Hervoyel
01-25-2006, 01:52 PM
this is pro football. injury does not descriminate against age. Reggie could come in and blow out his knee on the first day of camp bad enough that it could threaten his career.


I think what people are wondering is, with the beating that Carr has taken, is his career being cut short prematurely? Being a Houston fan, you should be able to appreciate talented guys (Earl Campbell) body's failing them prematurely.

Yes he could and so could Vince Young. When is speculating about what a QB has left in the tank not a legit topic? When the player is still young and the primary, possibly only reason it was brought up was to "imagineer" another new reason why we must draft Vince Young and send David Carr on his way. If you don't think the thread that started this post was about exactly that then you're being intentionally obtuse.

Carr was hit a lot last year but is the clock ticking on all those other guys who were hit more than him? Remember the very enlightening post by Vinny pointing out the "myth" behind the supposed beating that David Carr has taken? Are New England fans actively speculating about what they're going to do about Brady in 4 more years? Keep in mind that not all sacks are devastating blows and if his critics are to be believed then many of the David Carr's sacks involve no contact at all. He catches all kinds of flack (for good reason) because he runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Well you can't count that as a career shortening sack now can you?

There are plenty of posters who want Vince Young that I respect. but they're not spending a bunch of their time trying to come up with new reasons to justify their position. They think what they think and that's all there is to it. This post and this thread was a sad grasp for another reason to pick VY.

BigBull17
01-25-2006, 02:04 PM
And where did I say I wanted Reggie? Besides at UT VY played in an offense that put wear and tear on a QB. He is also the one who has a very nasty existing injury(as seen on ESPN) when he was a young child, though I dont know if he still has any lingering effcts. My point is that whos to say Carr is more likly to get huirt than VY? If anything, his past beatings let me know he can take a hit and get up over and over and over...and over.

Glacier
01-25-2006, 02:07 PM
woah woah.....when did this turn into a reggie vs vince topic? the question was about David Carr and the beating he has been taking.

BigBull17
01-25-2006, 02:17 PM
Cause if you say one thing unsupportive of VY you want BUsh.

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 03:34 PM
Sorry if many of you feel this topic is "laughable" or "irrelevent", however whether you want to see it or not, it is a legitimate question. If it takes us 4 more years to start competing, what's David going to have left at that time? He will be 31 with a lot of mileage due to being sacked so much.

Anyway, now I understand why some complain about this board. You can't even bring up a legitimate topic with someone jumping, or going off on the Vince garbage or finding every opportunity to sling the UT crap.

BTW, if you want to start bashing UT or it's fans, go have a field day. www.hornfans.com

Big B Texan Fan
01-25-2006, 03:46 PM
There are plenty of posters who want Vince Young that I respect. but they're not spending a bunch of their time trying to come up with new reasons to justify their position.
Why does there have to be "new reasons"? Why can't the old ones be good enough, that is the old ones that are because we need him, not because we need him because he's from H-town and UT.
Here's a look back:
DD is solid, injury prone yet solid, Kubes will utilize all of our RB's.
Carr seems to be a poor decision maker. How is it possible for a whole entire O-Line including their back-ups run block their butts off but cannot pass block to save their lives. Hmmm.
IMO, VY is the best player available once you scout current talent and foreseeable talent.
VY has won or been to the big game on the HS level and the collegiate level. Why and how is that supposed to stop now.
His mehanics are bad. So are Favres', Arnold Palmers', etc...
LeBron James is a home town kid and is younger than Young. Things seem to be working just fine for him and his organization. They'll be a playoff beast for years pretty soon.
We dismantled all the main pieces to the coaching staff, why stop at QB.
Did Capers'get himself fired or did Carr get himself a new coach
There's a few. No bashing of RB, no orange colored kool-aid, no hometown hero, a lil' Carr bashing (I wanted Peppers), and I think that he's the BPA.

A Texan
01-25-2006, 03:50 PM
Carr so far has been able to take a licking so I would assume there is no reason he can't continue especially with improved line play. As for Vince, he's so elusive he won't need to very often and when he does it will usually be against a DB where he's more than a match. He's not fragile.

vtech9
01-25-2006, 06:28 PM
If what some of the fan base has said is true about DC being "shell shocked" or having "happy feet", it could be much worse than any physical injuries.....

he may need therapy to fix his broken pyche.
here is a very interesting article from the Sportingnews about Carr. Read it and draw your own conclusions. http://news.yahoo.com/s/sn/20060124/sp_sn/texansneedtochasecarroutoftheirpocket

Texian
01-25-2006, 06:38 PM
How long will Carr's career last...you can find that answer with ,"When will the Dow hit 20,000?", "When will California see a 8.0 earthquake?", When Mt St Helen's erupt?", "When will they capture bin laden?"

btw...put me down for the kitchen sink.

Double Barrel
01-25-2006, 06:58 PM
Do we start the Vince Young/Chuck Norris jokes now or is there a minimum post limit before they're allowed?

Did you hear the one about Vince Young, a priest, and an Indian are a this bar.... :heh:

Seriously, though....this is a speculation thread, and I guess that's what the off-season brings about. For all we know, Carr could blow his knee out this summer while surfing, or he could be playing QB at 42. idonno:

But I don't think his age will have any factor whatsoever in the Texans' decision making process.

And honestly, I don't think Kubiak is coming in here with a 4-5 year building plan. He seems like the kind of guy that plans on winning asap. But that's just my take, and only time will tell.

aj.
01-25-2006, 07:25 PM
Easily one of the most amusing (and least relevent) threads I've seen in a long, long time.

Then why waste your time responding? Use my approach and just scroll through all the irrelevant crap that's on here.

I can think of one case where this thread could be irrelevant and that's after two years under Kubiak we're still sitting here talking about getting all the pieces around Dave and his potential-this and potential-that. He's toast in that scenario and longevity is moot. On the contrary, if he ramps up his game under the new system and after two seasons, we're sitting here talking about a playoff run (like we were last year) in 2008, then I wouldn't argue with the notion that the 200 something sacks early in his career might come into play in a discussion on career longevity. The fact that he has managed to avoid serious injury by either running out of bounds or falling down to avoid hits can only help extend his career but only if he and his team turn it around (say .500 or better) in the next 32 games. Right or wrong, fans would have a lot more patience with 10 than they will 8.

NFLforher
01-25-2006, 08:25 PM
He was born in 79 so that should make him 26 or 27, not sure of the month.


July.

Hervoyel
01-25-2006, 09:01 PM
here is a very interesting article from the Sportingnews about Carr. Read it and draw your own conclusions. http://news.yahoo.com/s/sn/20060124/sp_sn/texansneedtochasecarroutoftheirpocket


That was an interesting read. My conclusion is that he might have made one of the best "I think we need Vince to win us a Super Bowl" arguments I've seen since he declared for the draft. My conclusion is that John McClain probably should have written that piece and if there was no name at the top of it I'd almost assume it was one of his love sonnets to VY.

Hervoyel
01-25-2006, 09:03 PM
Then why waste your time responding? Use my approach and just scroll through all the irrelevant crap that's on here.

I just don't see it as a waste of time. I say what I think when I feel like saying it.

Texanfan4ever
01-25-2006, 09:40 PM
I think the reason the Texans have ANY problems at all is Bush's fault, President George Bush that is! LOL This discussion is really seriously old.:brickwall :yahoo: That being said, Carr is like the engergizer bunny, he takes a lickin and keeps on tickin! I, for one, can't wait until next year. There is light at the end of the tunnel:texflag: Go Texans!

sprtsfanatic
01-25-2006, 10:15 PM
I have an idea! Why don't you moderators create a Vince Young/Reggie Bush is GAWD heading, then move all this worship elsewhere. Attempts to disguise postings with different names by many here, cause alot of needless time reading what is just another VY posting. You can paint a turd any color ya want, but it's still a turd. We have a new coach, lets talk about what's really happening with this team, and stay away from flights of fantasy, and what if we pick VY/RB. No single player is our savior, and never will be. Only one person will change the future of this team, and that one person is the COACH. I have a better idea, lets move all this fantasy football stuff to "No Sports Talk Allowed" because that's the gist of anything I've read from any pro-Young or pro-Bush poster. Seriously, multiple threads on the same subject have really made the last month unbearable here. Go back and look, I never posted here, I just read and remember how enjoyable that was? I promise to go back to READ mode only if we can only make the PAIN go away! ;)

Its funny you say that cause whether you realize it or not...all your doing is adding fuel to the fire with your posts....so how about you take your own advice and stop posting anti VY posts. I would be willing to bet if all of you posters that claim you are getting tired of the posts on the subject of VY vs RB would stop posting to them then the threads would go away. But ofcourse you didnt see that with whatever color glasses your wearing, but from here it looks like your wearing a pair of welders eye protection glasses but thats just my :twocents:

sprtsfanatic
01-25-2006, 10:30 PM
Yes he could and so could Vince Young. When is speculating about what a QB has left in the tank not a legit topic? When the player is still young and the primary, possibly only reason it was brought up was to "imagineer" another new reason why we must draft Vince Young and send David Carr on his way. If you don't think the thread that started this post was about exactly that then you're being intentionally obtuse.

Carr was hit a lot last year but is the clock ticking on all those other guys who were hit more than him? Remember the very enlightening post by Vinny pointing out the "myth" behind the supposed beating that David Carr has taken? Are New England fans actively speculating about what they're going to do about Brady in 4 more years? Keep in mind that not all sacks are devastating blows and if his critics are to be believed then many of the David Carr's sacks involve no contact at all. He catches all kinds of flack (for good reason) because he runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Well you can't count that as a career shortening sack now can you?

There are plenty of posters who want Vince Young that I respect. but they're not spending a bunch of their time trying to come up with new reasons to justify their position. They think what they think and that's all there is to it. This post and this thread was a sad grasp for another reason to pick VY.

As much as I would like to agree with you about the hits Carr has taken...I just cant. Sure he as run out of bounds plenty of times but the majority of his sacks have been true sacks and for the past two years a good portion of those sacks have been some pretty good blows. Now Im not sure what the Texans should do with their pick as of yet ( I will wait for the combines and to see what staff we actually hire), but no one here can say that all of these sacks have had no effect on Carr either physically or psychologically. After all the human body can only take soo much and all of this "carr takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin' " should really be a reason for SOME concern as a fan and this upcoming option on our QB.

Bronco Texan
01-25-2006, 11:10 PM
It doesn matter what you guys think. Because you all will flip flop when all the real results come out. If they take Bush, and he turns out to be the next Barry Sanders no one that said to take VY will say "wow I was wrong I'm glad we got Bush." No you will say instead "I told you Bush was the way to go!" If they take VY and he turns out to be a big flop no one will say "Damn I really thought we had something going here." No you will all say "I knew we should of kept Carr and taken RB he is a much better player than VY!!!" It doesn't matter. So I just hope what ever happens we win some games!!

Oh yeah and everyone is forgetting the fact that Jon Fox turned the Panthers from 1-15 to NFC champions and four points for winning the super bowl in two season!!! So it can be done very quickly!!! Go Kubes, and Go Texans!!!

Nighthawk
01-25-2006, 11:23 PM
That was an interesting read. My conclusion is

Bravo, Carr Fanboy! You commented again, saying nothing!

Truth is, Pompeii repeated what's been argued on this board and the other board since end of season: Carr is part of the problem, not part of the solution. And this time it comes with bona fides.

Maybe someone will listen?

Nah, that's too much to ask. Let's have another three years of Carr and see if we can't turn him around. That'll be much more fun than being smart and building a winning team.

aj.
01-26-2006, 06:38 AM
I just don't see it as a waste of time. I say what I think when I feel like saying it.

Hey, if you think responding multiple times to an irrelevant thread is time well spent, knock your lights out.

To me, the anti-Carr noise has gotten just as old as the anti-Vince. That's when the wheel on the mouse comes in real handy.

Spoda
01-26-2006, 07:16 AM
the thing that strikes me as funny is that the bush camp knows he is not an everydown back...they know his limitations...but they also think he can be an electrifying player who can score on any touch...the trade down camp seems to know there are risks, but they understand there are risks with every pick..first round or not...however the vince camp seems to be 100 percent sure he is a no doubt hall of famer...no questions about it we will win many many superbowls and it is just a ridiculous notion to think we could ever pass on him...and then there are the carr bashers(see vince young camp)..these bashers seem to blame everything on carr..now we all know some is his fault...but lemme ask you this...did you watch the colts/steelers game? peyton looked oddly similar to carr as he dropped back to pass only to see someone in his face...and then end up on his back

infantrycak
01-26-2006, 07:40 AM
...did you watch the colts/steelers game? peyton looked oddly similar to carr as he dropped back to pass only to see someone in his face...and then end up on his back

bweehooo bweehooo (however you type a siren) :homer: "Is that a good siren?" Answer--have you ever known a siren to be good.

Watch out, you are going to get :challenge for the temerity of using Carr and Manning in the same sentence. That jacks some folks' panties straight up their hind ends.

Spoda
01-26-2006, 07:45 AM
ahh i see your siren and raise you an oops....i was not comparing the talents of carr to manning!!! lol ...it was just a random "insert your favorite QB here" if the line sucks your QB sucks comparison...that RV homer bought was sweet

chuckm
01-26-2006, 07:50 AM
Hey, if you think responding multiple times to an irrelevant thread is time well spent, knock your lights out.

To me, the anti-Carr noise has gotten just as old as the anti-Vince. That's when the wheel on the mouse comes in real handy.


If responding to an irrelevant thread is time wasted, what's responding to a response to an irrelevant thread? :rolleyes:

Spoda
01-26-2006, 08:26 AM
if a vince young falls in a forest and nobody is around to see or hear it...does it make a sound?

2 answers...first he will never fall...he is too good
second...does it matter ? he will cure cancer while in the woods

Glacier
01-26-2006, 10:12 AM
if a vince young falls in a forest and nobody is around to see or hear it...does it make a sound?

2 answers...first he will never fall...he is too good
second...does it matter ? he will cure cancer while in the woods

pffft, first off, Vince Young would juke the forest and run for a touch down or burn the forest's blitz and throw for a touch....

it is simply rediculous to think that a forest would stop Vince.

Hervoyel
01-26-2006, 11:16 AM
Bravo, Carr Fanboy! You commented again, saying nothing!

Truth is, Pompeii repeated what's been argued on this board and the other board since end of season: Carr is part of the problem, not part of the solution. And this time it comes with bona fides.

Maybe someone will listen?

Nah, that's too much to ask. Let's have another three years of Carr and see if we can't turn him around. That'll be much more fun than being smart and building a winning team.

Yeah that's me, the "Carr Fanboy". Asking that the man be given a reasonable opportunity to do what he was drafted to do makes me a "Fanboy" I guess. I'll comment as often or as rarely as I please and whether you get anything from my posts is entirely up to you. Put me on ignore if you grow tired of hearing me speak my mind.

People with more football knowledge than you or I will decide whether we have another three years of Carr. If they think he's part of the solution then I'm good with that. If they think it's time to move on then I'm good with that too. It's their football team not mine. I just watch the games.

jerek
01-26-2006, 11:25 AM
Yes he could and so could Vince Young. When is speculating about what a QB has left in the tank not a legit topic? When the player is still young and the primary, possibly only reason it was brought up was to "imagineer" another new reason why we must draft Vince Young and send David Carr on his way. If you don't think the thread that started this post was about exactly that then you're being intentionally obtuse.

Carr was hit a lot last year but is the clock ticking on all those other guys who were hit more than him? Remember the very enlightening post by Vinny pointing out the "myth" behind the supposed beating that David Carr has taken? Are New England fans actively speculating about what they're going to do about Brady in 4 more years? Keep in mind that not all sacks are devastating blows and if his critics are to be believed then many of the David Carr's sacks involve no contact at all. He catches all kinds of flack (for good reason) because he runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Well you can't count that as a career shortening sack now can you?

There are plenty of posters who want Vince Young that I respect. but they're not spending a bunch of their time trying to come up with new reasons to justify their position. They think what they think and that's all there is to it. This post and this thread was a sad grasp for another reason to pick VY.

Ain't that the sad truf.

Texans Horror
01-26-2006, 01:22 PM
This reminds me why Carr is so great. He's a friggin Houdini - Just when it looks like he's spent...Shazam! He's all over ya!

I'm just glad to have this topic die. Carr. Abracadabra. Done.