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texan_b
01-25-2006, 12:04 AM
According to Berman(local Houston fox sports) these are the two men expected to be hired..Richard Smith and Frank Bush Co-Defensive Coordinators

Frank Bush - linebackers; born January 10, 1963, Athens, Ga. Linebacker North Carolina State 1981-84. Pro linebacker Houston Oilers 1985-86. Pro coach: Houston Oilers 1987-1991 (scout), 1992- 94, Denver Broncos 1995-2003, joined Cardinals in 2004.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/locker...aff_smith_r.asp

LBC_Justin
01-25-2006, 12:06 AM
According to Berman these are the two men expected to be hired..Richard Smith and Frank Bush Co-Defensive CoordinatorsHumm any body know anything about these guys?

Other than both of their first names are like Hot Dogs...sort of.

No offense but I don't want anybody that has ever been apart of Arizona's coaching staff. They have a culture of losing there, and I don't want us to end up like them. Call me crazy but that is my gut feeling.

texan279
01-25-2006, 12:09 AM
Humm any body know anything about these guys?

Other than both of their first names are like Hot Dogs...sort of.

No offense but I don't want anybody that has ever been apart of Arizona's coaching staff. They have a culture of losing there, and I don't want us to end up like them. Call me crazy but that is my gut feeling.

Richard Smith is the guy Capers replaced in Miami! :woot2

texan_b
01-25-2006, 12:10 AM
I agree but I see he played for the oilers. He coached for the oilers and Broncos so that had to be a huge part in this.

Mr. White
01-25-2006, 12:12 AM
http://www.miamidolphins.com/locker...aff_smith_r.asp

The link isn't working now. I guess they take him off their page as soon as he gets a new job.

LBC_Justin
01-25-2006, 12:12 AM
I agree but I see he played for the oilers. He coached for the oilers and Broncos so that had to be a huge part in this.
Yeah I just looked him up. He seems decent.

But I personally think we need to go a little more high profile but I will certainly give him a chance if he is hired. I liked the Bills DC.

hmmmm wonder if that Dom Capers guy is available.

texan279
01-25-2006, 12:13 AM
Seems both of them have been affiliated with the Oilers...

LINK (http://www.miamidolphins.com/lockerroom/coachingstaff/coachingstaff_smith_r.asp)

Richard Smith was named the Dolphins’ defensive coordinator by Head Coach Nick Saban on March 2, 2005. Smith comes to the Dolphins with 17 years of NFL coaching experience on his résumé, including the last two with the Detroit Lions, when he served as that team’s assistant head coach/linebackers. Two of those 17 seasons were spent working alongside Saban, as both were on the Houston Oilers staff from 1988-89.

Before joining the Lions in 2003, Smith spent six seasons (1997-02) with the San Francisco 49ers, where he coached the team’s linebackers. During that time, four of his linebackers were selected for the Pro Bowl; Julian Peterson in 2002, Winfred Tubbs in 1998 and both Ken Norton, Jr. and Lee Woodall in 1997.

Prior to his stint in San Francisco, Smith spent four seasons (1993-96) with the Denver Broncos coaching special teams, while also assisting with the linebackers for three seasons (1993-95).

Smith began his NFL coaching career with the Houston Oilers in 1988 where he coached special teams and assisted with the tight ends (1988-89), linebackers (1990-91) and the offensive line (1992). The Oilers qualified for the postseason in each of Smith’s five seasons with the club. In fact, the teams with which Smith has been a part of in the NFL have reached the playoffs in 11 of his 17 seasons, including four appearances with San Francisco (1997-98 and 2001-02), two with Denver (1993, 1996) and five with Houston (1988-92).

In 1987, Smith spent a season at the University of Arizona coaching linebackers and special teams after tutoring the outside linebackers and special teams from 1984-86 at the University of California.

Smith began his coaching career as offensive line coach at Rio Hondo (Calif.) Junior College from 1979-80. He then moved on to Cal State-Fullerton, where he tutored the Titans’ defensive line for three seasons (1981-83).


LINK (http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff_detail.php?PRKey=10)
Frank Bush enters his second season with the Cardinals as linebackers coach after joining the team last season. Before joining Dennis Green in Arizona, Bush worked as an assistant with the Denver Broncos (1995–03) and Houston Oilers (1992–94).

Bush served nine seasons with the Broncos—three as special teams coach (2001–03), one overseeing the defensive secondary/nickel packages (2000), and five as linebackers coach (1995–99). In 2003 Denver ranked fifth in the AFC in both punt and kickoff return average. Kicker Jason Elam accounted for 120 points for the second consecutive season, placing him fourth (2003), and second (2002), respectively. In 2001, Elam’s 86 percent field goal accuracy mark (31-of-36) was the best in Bronco history and Reuben Droughns ranked third in the AFC with a 25.8-yard kickoff return average.

In 1995, his first season as linebackers coach with Denver, the Bronco defense improved from 28th to 15th, then skyrocketed to the fourth overall defense in the league in 1996, including first against the run. The 1997 season saw two of his pupils—John Mobley (162) and Bill Romanowski (117) rank 1-2 on the club in tackles as Denver forged consecutive World Championships with victories in Super Bowl XXXII over Green Bay following the 1997 season and Super Bowl XXXIII over Atlanta after the ’98 campaign. In the latter campaign, the linebacker trio of Mobley (132) Glenn Cadrez (105), and Romanowski (95) led the team in tackles, Romanowski earned his second Pro Bowl berth, and the Bronco run defense finished third in the NFL.

After an outstanding college career as a three-year starter at North Carolina State, Bush was a fifth-round draft choice by Houston in the 1985 NFL Draft and earned all-rookie acclaim starting 11 of 16 games for the Oilers before a spinal injury prematurely ended his pro career a year later.

After serving as a college scout for the Oilers for six years (1987–92), he was the team’s linebackers coach for three seasons, bringing his tenure with Houston as a player, scout, and assistant coach to 10 years.

Bush’s linebackers continued to play an integral role the following two seasons as the Broncos In 2002, his special teams ranked among the best in the league as Denver ranked third in the AFC in kickoff coverage and fourth in kickoff return average.

Born January 10, 1963 in Athens, Ga., Bush and his wife, Stephanie, reside in Chandler.

Coaching Breakdown
1987–92 Houston Oilers Scout
1992–94 Houston Oilers Linebackers
1995–2003 Denver Broncos Linebackers/Special Teams
2004- Arizona Cardinals Linebackers

Nighthawk
01-25-2006, 12:14 AM
Oh please. Is this the best we can do? Can you say inauspicious beginning?

texan279
01-25-2006, 12:16 AM
Found this at kffl.com

Texans | Team may hire R. Smith
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:50:22 -0800

Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Richard Smith may be headed to the Houston Texans. The Houston Chronicle reported that Smith is expected to become the Texans' co-defensive coordinator with Denver Broncos assistant Frank Bush on new head coach Gary Kubiak's staff. Smith and assistant head coach of defense Will Muschamp essentially served as the Dolphins' co-coordinators in 2005.

College Texan
01-25-2006, 12:17 AM
Maybe he just does not want to spend as much, again.

LBC_Justin
01-25-2006, 12:18 AM
Oh please. Is this the best we can do? Can you say inauspicious beginning?I agree.

Kubiak is an Offesive guy. We need an established D-Coordinator or even a former head coach.

I think the Washington Redskins are more of the coaching model we should follow. Get great coaches, pay them well, and the team will improve.

outofhnd
01-25-2006, 12:19 AM
So... what kind of Defense are we looking at? Miami ran a 3-4 last year and Arizona ran a 4-3? sounds like a proverbial odd couple.. They sure have Linebacker coaching covered...

However... Smith was let go after only one year at DC? Maybe Im crazy or does that throw up a red flag to anyone else?

But it does stand to reason that would be why Kubiak kept the DB coach on staff

texan279
01-25-2006, 12:20 AM
I agree.

Kubiak is an Offesive guy. We need an established D-Coordinator or even a former head coach.

And the Rams announced the hiring of Jim Haslett as their defensive coordinator earlier today...:brickwall

Mr. White
01-25-2006, 12:21 AM
They may not be Buddy Ryan or Marvin Lewis, but I'll take 'em. These guys have at least been around.

IMO, this hiring beats the hell outta Capers and Fangio.

texan279
01-25-2006, 12:25 AM
So... what kind of Defense are we looking at? Miami ran a 3-4 last year and Arizona ran a 4-3? sounds like a proverbial odd couple.. They sure have Linebacker coaching covered...

However... Smith was let go after only one year at DC? Maybe Im crazy or does that throw up a red flag to anyone else?

But it does stand to reason that would be why Kubiak kept the DB coach on staff

Miami's defense was ranked 18th in the NFL last season in yards allowed per game per ours being ranked 31st in the NFL, and Miami's defense was ranked 17th against the run compared to our defense ranked at 32nd against the run. They were also ranked 14th in the NFL in points allowed per game compared to ours ranked at 32nd. I guess what I am trying to say is that honestly our defense cannot get any worse lol.

AustinJB
01-25-2006, 12:25 AM
They may not be Buddy Ryan or Marvin Lewis, but I'll take 'em. These guys have at least been around.

IMO, this hiring beats the hell outta Capers and Fangio.

Can't necessarily disagree w/ that. But in Capers defense, he has been a good defensive coordinator in the past...just a HORRID HC.

Hookem Horns
01-25-2006, 12:27 AM
I don't know if I want anymore former Oilers coaches. The last one we brought in was Chris Palmer.

LBC_Justin
01-25-2006, 12:28 AM
Can't necessarily disagree w/ that. But in Capers defense, he has been a good defensive coordinator in the past...just a HORRID HC.
yep NO ONE can argue Capers hasn't been a good Defensive Coordinator.

outofhnd
01-25-2006, 12:32 AM
What about Jerry Gray how is this guy going from coaching prospect in december to practically jobless? this guy constructed a great defense in 04 that lost some key players and looked bad in 05.. But his secondaries are excellent cover corners, his defense is agressive, and causes turnovers... What can you not like about that?

AustinJB
01-25-2006, 12:34 AM
What about Jerry Gray how is this guy going from coaching prospect in december to practically jobless? this guy constructed a great defense in 04 that lost some key players and looked bad in 05

I'm wondering too. He was one of my favorite candidates. Even interviewed for our HC position originally.:confused:

beerlover
01-25-2006, 12:34 AM
I was expecting the Bates Motel :shower: guess now we CAN afford two franchise QB's :)

Mr. White
01-25-2006, 12:35 AM
yep NO ONE can argue Capers hasn't been a good Defensive Coordinator.

I should have clarified my last post. I was speaking of Capers the Head Coach who was not too well suited to the "CEO" style of coaching.... man, I wish he would've called the Defense.

outofhnd
01-25-2006, 12:37 AM
I dont understand why Bates is more coveted at DC than Jerry Gray? When was the last time the Packers had a top ranked defense?

Wasnt their secondary in 04 tops in the league at getting pass interference calls?

texan_b
01-25-2006, 12:50 AM
I dont understand why Bates is more coveted at DC than Jerry Gray? When was the last time the Packers had a top ranked defense?

Wasnt their secondary in 04 tops in the league at getting pass interference calls?


this year the packers I believe were ranked #7 in the league that is really good.

texan_b
01-25-2006, 12:51 AM
So... what kind of Defense are we looking at? Miami ran a 3-4 last year and Arizona ran a 4-3? sounds like a proverbial odd couple.. They sure have Linebacker coaching covered...


The dolphins last year ran both the 3-4 and 4-3 def.. they switched up often

outofhnd
01-25-2006, 12:56 AM
I had no idea they were that highly ranked.... Still Jerry Gray is my choice, hes young and aggressive.

outofhnd
01-25-2006, 12:59 AM
The dolphins last year ran both the 3-4 and 4-3 def.. they switched up often

Hmm I just dont like the fact he was let go and replaced with our former HC, and the fact he will be a co-coordinater.. we need a defensive coach, Heck jerry Gray was rumored to be a head coach somewhere a month ago.. To me he is the obvious choice unless kubiak doesnt like him.

Mr. White
01-25-2006, 01:04 AM
Heck jerry Gray was rumored to be a head coach somewhere a month ago.. To me he is the obvious choice unless kubiak doesnt like him.

I doubt that Kubiak not liking him is so much the issue as much as he's worked with the other 2 guys in the past and they're a known quantity. As a matter of fact, that seems to be the common denominator in all his hirings so far.

texan_b
01-25-2006, 01:08 AM
here is the article in the chronicle just posted

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3610629.html

I love this part though

"One candidate to join Kubiak as offensive coordinator is former Green Bay coach Mike Sherman, who was fired at season's end. Sherman was the offensive line coach at Texas A&M in 1992-93, when Kubiak coached Aggies running backs."

Does this mean Sherman is coming to the texans I really hope he does

Kubiaks Staff

Offense

OC- Sherman or Calhoun?
quarterbacks- Calhoun
Wr- kyle shanahan
tight ends-Brian Pariani
ol- David Diaz-Infant

Defense
DC-bush and smith
lbs- ryan
dbs- hoke

special teams

Marciano

SnakeOilTanker
01-25-2006, 01:25 AM
The chronicle said Kubes is gonna have the Texans run a 4-3

aj.
01-25-2006, 06:31 AM
I really liked Frank Bush as a player, even though he had to shut it down so soon. He was always highly respected in the organization and the team had a lot of success while he was here as a scout. He only had linebackers at Arizona but they did finish #8 overall in defense in the league this year I know the players will like him and it seems he has the most up-side of the two.

I know less about Smith. I know he was here but I didn't realize the Army helmet (and fatigues) thing was his idea. I thought that was all Glanville.

Be happy. These may not be marquee names but they will bring change to a stagnant situation and anything is better than Fangio.

bigtex77
01-25-2006, 06:32 AM
Well since they are drafting VY, and our offense will average 40 points and 600 yards a game they probably aren't that concerned about the defense.:stirpot: Sorry, I had to.

Spoda
01-25-2006, 07:23 AM
if this is true then i am upset with the texans...we got bush..but we needed the other guy to be vince something..so we could trade down..and everyone would be happy!!

O.G.
01-25-2006, 07:32 AM
I'm wondering too. He was one of my favorite candidates. Even interviewed for our HC position originally.:confused:

I agree, if Bates turned the job down or you passed him over because he didn't know both the 3-4 and the 4-3, by not get Bates and an assistant that is knowledgable in the 3-4 or get Gray and the same as well. I hope these guys don't dissappoint us, because remember the texans first year and second year in existence, our defense actually ranked in the middle of the pack so simply getting back to that form is nice, but we have to do better than that.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 07:37 AM
here is the article in the chronicle just posted

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3610629.html

I love this part though

"One candidate to join Kubiak as offensive coordinator is former Green Bay coach Mike Sherman, who was fired at season's end. Sherman was the offensive line coach at Texas A&M in 1992-93, when Kubiak coached Aggies running backs."

Does this mean Sherman is coming to the texans I really hope he does

Kubiaks Staff

Offense

OC- Sherman or Calhoun?
quarterbacks- Calhoun
Wr- kyle shanahan
tight ends-Brian Pariani
ol- David Diaz-Infant

Defense
DC-bush and smith
lbs- ryan
dbs- hoke

special teams

Marciano

So he is taking Shanahan's kid, a guy out of the booth (Diaz-Infante) and Bush & Smith (BS)? This is already getting ugly in my opinion. To say I am dissapointed would be an understatement. Surrounding yourself with your boys on your first job is not good. Appears to be a lot of yes men at first glance.

I will have to reserve my comments on the staff until the season starts, but jeez they better bring some players in FA with them. If we can't get star power, they better provide more value outside of the lines.

O.G.
01-25-2006, 07:43 AM
I read that chonicle article and was curious who will be our D-line coach? I also see he's going after Wibert Mongomery as Running backs coach. Who was Denver's running back coach? Hell, KC's for that matter, lol.

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 07:45 AM
All of you seem to want some big names. Well those big names were once nobodies. Frank Bush is HIGHLY thought of around the league. If he is defensive coordinator, I am fine with that.

I think we need to calm down just a bit. Don't judge Kubiak for the team's past failings. The team needs our support. Give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt. We gave Capers and Co. 4 years for crying out loud!

dtran04
01-25-2006, 07:49 AM
Wow. Everyone just wants the big name. I figure there's a reason why they don't have jobs too. Everyone needs to realize coaching is like a fraternity. They generally only hire people they are familiar with and have full trust in. Capers was hired by Saban because they are familiar with each other since working together in the past at Kent State. I don't think too many coaches hire anyone they have never worked with in the past.

O.G.
01-25-2006, 07:49 AM
All of you seem to want some big names. Well those big names were once nobodies. Frank Bush is HIGHLY thought of around the league. If he is defensive coordinator, I am fine with that.

I think we need to calm down just a bit. Don't judge Kubiak for the team's past failings. The team needs our support. Give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt. We gave Capers and Co. 4 years for crying out loud!

True Jack, I saw they damn near got you last week on 24 and in CTU at that. How are the ribs, lol. Had to mess with ya, love that show. Who do you think will be running backs coach by the way? Regardless who Houston selects with the No. 1 pick, we still need a better backs coach in my opinion.

HJam72
01-25-2006, 07:51 AM
For me, all this info. is overkill. I'll be glad when they've got all the coaches in place, so I can study up on them and know that it means something. Hope I don't kill the thread though. :hide:

texanfan2002114
01-25-2006, 07:52 AM
All of you seem to want some big names. Well those big names were once nobodies. Frank Bush is HIGHLY thought of around the league. If he is defensive coordinator, I am fine with that.

I think we need to calm down just a bit. Don't judge Kubiak for the team's past failings. The team needs our support. Give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt. We gave Capers and Co. 4 years for crying out loud!


I agree with you!! Lets be happy that the Texans are finally building a staff and not talking about that horrible season from last year!!

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 07:56 AM
True Jack, I saw they damn near got you last week on 24 and in CTU at that. How are the ribs, lol. Had to mess with ya, love that show. Who do you think will be running backs coach by the way? Regardless who Houston selects with the No. 1 pick, we still need a better backs coach in my opinion.

Ribs are doing better thanks! :)

From the Chronic it looks like Wilbert Montgomery. He coached the RBs in St. Louis last year.

O.G.
01-25-2006, 08:01 AM
Ribs are doing better thanks! :)

From the Chronic it looks like Wilbert Montgomery. He coached the RBs in St. Louis last year.

Yeah, but I'm curious if you need a backs coach that is familiar with the zone blocking scheme as well. Not saying he's not a good choice, Steven Jackson lit it up this year as well.

BigBull17
01-25-2006, 08:07 AM
if this is true then i am upset with the texans...we got bush..but we needed the other guy to be vince something..so we could trade down..and everyone would be happy!!
LOL

TEXANRED
01-25-2006, 08:08 AM
The chronicle said Kubes is gonna have the Texans run a 4-3
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:whoohoo: :banana: :highfive: :fans:

bckey
01-25-2006, 09:22 AM
Be happy. These may not be marquee names but they will bring change to a stagnant situation and anything is better than Fangio.


It is sad when Kubiak has already started hiring people that we have to make excuses like "anything is better than Fangio".

Texans_Chick
01-25-2006, 09:24 AM
So he is taking Shanahan's kid, a guy out of the booth (Diaz-Infante) and Bush & Smith (BS)? This is already getting ugly in my opinion. To say I am dissapointed would be an understatement. Surrounding yourself with your boys on your first job is not good. Appears to be a lot of yes men at first glance.

I will have to reserve my comments on the staff until the season starts, but jeez they better bring some players in FA with them. If we can't get star power, they better provide more value outside of the lines.

I have to admit that when I first read about all these hires, I was thinking similar things and is this the best we can do with the resources we have??

There is something about having a relationship with the people you work with and how it is important to be on the same page (unlike Palmer/Capers), but I can't say that I'm particularly enthused or my confidence inspired about these choices.

But I am trying to keep an open mind, and get out of my reflexive oh-no mode that was cultivated from last season.

Wait and see. Go Texans! :texflag:

bckey
01-25-2006, 09:27 AM
So he is taking Shanahan's kid, a guy out of the booth (Diaz-Infante) and Bush & Smith (BS)? This is already getting ugly in my opinion. To say I am dissapointed would be an understatement. Surrounding yourself with your boys on your first job is not good. Appears to be a lot of yes men at first glance.

I will have to reserve my comments on the staff until the season starts, but jeez they better bring some players in FA with them. If we can't get star power, they better provide more value outside of the lines.

My thoughts exactly. I read about the new staff Kubiak is assembling early this morning and it felt like someone punched me in the stomach.

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 09:28 AM
It is sad when Kubiak has already started hiring people that we have to make excuses like "anything is better than Fangio".

We don't have to make any excuses. We are just being too negative. We don't REALLY know anything about these coaches and we are already complaining about them for NO reason. Unless you have worked with these coaches yourself, you should not just jump on the NEGATIVE bandwagon.

Wait to see what happens. Keep an open mind. You can't judge what you haven't seen.

ccdude730
01-25-2006, 09:37 AM
offensively i am somewhat optimistic, and not necessarily dissapointed. im sure myself as well as others have questions about who he plans to bring in for positional coaching, but it will all be under kubiak who understands he was brought here to focus on offense.

defensively im not so thrilled about. i would have liked to stay in the 3-4 and i dont really know too much about either fellow; but i guess its the lack of personnel knowlege that makes me suspect of our new defense.

SportsJunkie
01-25-2006, 09:58 AM
I am not enthused about Kubiak hiring his buddies on his first head coaching gig either. I would much rather he hire a proven DC.

Something I thought was funny was the fact the Bill Parcells is looking at Chris Palmer as his new offensive coordinator.

That should fire up the Cowboy fans!

BradK10
01-25-2006, 10:01 AM
Yall just think we can throw wads of cash at the biggest names out there and they'll jump to the oppurtunity. If I'm a 4-3 D-Co. and Houston is courting me, and I see it might take at least one full season probably two to get the proper personnel to run the 4-3, I'm stayin away. If the D struggles because of wrong personnel, then fingers point at you.

bckey
01-25-2006, 10:08 AM
Unless you have worked with these coaches yourself, you should not just jump on the NEGATIVE bandwagon.

Come on. You can do better than that.

As far as being negative I think it is more shock and disbelief than it is negative. Nobody expected Kubiak to hire what amounts to a bunch of coaches that are inexperienced at the positions that he is hiring them at. Remember Kubiak is a rookie hc. It could all turn out great but it sure is a bigger risk factor than I would have liked the Texans to have taken. The Texans have a lot on the line after 4 years of Capers/Fangio/Palmer/Pendry and a 2-14 season.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 10:11 AM
Yall just think we can throw wads of cash at the biggest names out there and they'll jump to the oppurtunity. If I'm a 4-3 D-Co. and Houston is courting me, and I see it might take at least one full season probably two to get the proper personnel to run the 4-3, I'm stayin away. If the D struggles because of wrong personnel, then fingers point at you.

I have no problem with a two in the box strategy for DC, but not now. Our defense is confused at best and to bring in two people putting their stamp on a change of defense just seems like muddied water to me.

I have never beeen worried about the effect Kubiak will have on the offense in the short term. I worry about the long term effect of cronyism when we get good, yes I am a worry wart at times. But it is defense where I feel we need the most help with a necessary attitude change and the players that need to be plugged in are derived from the DC's scheme. I can see it now where one DC trumps the other in acquiring a certain player and all of a sudden there is disharmony on the staff. It is the whole to many cooks in the kitchen approach and I would hate to see the Kubiak freight train get derailed early.

Believe me, I am aboard 100% with Kubes and looking forward to the fruits of his labor. I just like to share my opinions in the virtual public square. :)

Keldar
01-25-2006, 10:22 AM
The thing that bothers me is.....why two "co" coordinators? It makes me think they don't quite have full confidence in either one as a stand alone DC. Are they hoping that two heads will compensate for the lack of experience for each of them?

If it's about money for bigger names, won't their combined salaries amount to one reputable DC being hired?

idonno:

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 10:27 AM
Come on. You can do better than that.

I can do better than my true feelings? There is no need to rush to judgment. You have no idea what these coaches bring to the table. You don't know anything about them, so that must be bad, right? Not necessarily. Would you rather hire a proven coordinator like Palmer and Fangio? Remember when we hired these guys, they were the safe choices.

I kind of like the fact that Kubiak is thinking outside the box a little on the coaching staff. Will it work out? I don't know, I am going to wait and see instead of rushing to judgment.

infantrycak
01-25-2006, 10:33 AM
The thing that bothers me is.....why two "co" coordinators? It makes me think they don't quite have full confidence in either one as a stand alone DC. Are they hoping that two heads will compensate for the lack of experience for each of them?

If it's about money for bigger names, won't their combined salaries amount to one reputable DC being hired?

idonno:

It is a respect thing for the two guys not a lack of confidence. It is like the games they play with calling people assistant head coaches to make it look like they got a promotion from their other OC or DC gig. Kubiack wanted both these guys and the way to do it was to let them both claim a piece of a DC title, i.e. have a promotion. No need for folks to stress out.

bckey
01-25-2006, 10:33 AM
I can do better than my true feelings? There is no need to rush to judgment.

I was talking about you saying unless I had coached with these guys. I said they may turn out great but I think Kubiak is risking a lot by hiring all these coaches into new positions. That isn't negative that is stating the obvious. Negative would be to say this new staff sucks and will never do good.

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 10:36 AM
I was talking about you saying unless I had coached with these guys. I said they may turn out great but I think Kubiak is risking a lot by hiring all these coaches into new positions. That isn't negative that is stating the obvious. Negative would be to say this new staff sucks and will never do good.

True. I am just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Frank Bush is highly thought of. He may make a great DC.

Anyway. I am just a Texans fan hoping for the best. I think we should let Kubiak do what he thinks is right. Give him the same benefit that we gave Capers.

bckey
01-25-2006, 10:40 AM
Believe me, I am aboard 100% with Kubes and looking forward to the fruits of his labor. I just like to share my opinions in the virtual public square. :)

Thank You. I'm aboard 100% also. Worried but still aboard.

bckey
01-25-2006, 10:43 AM
Give him the same benefit that we gave Capers.

Actually I didn't give Capers any benefit because I didn't like him before we even hired him. I never understood that hire.:)

TheOgre
01-25-2006, 10:44 AM
When we find out which one is calling plays out to the defense, we will likely know who the "real" DC is.

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 10:49 AM
Actually I didn't give Capers any benefit because I didn't like him before we even hired him. I never understood that hire.:)

Gotcha. :ok: I am hoping for the best and reserving judgment until I see the product on the field. I am giving them next year to show me what they can do with this team. I am not looking for miracles, I am looking for good measurable progress.

justtxyank
01-25-2006, 10:53 AM
I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt as I think Kubiak is a smart guy and wouldn't make poor hires just for buddy system. I just hope that he can get Alex Gibbs out of Atlanta to come over here and coach the line and teach Infante.

bigTEXan8
01-25-2006, 11:06 AM
What happened to the Bates rumor? I was really looking forward to that.

O.G.
01-25-2006, 11:13 AM
I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt as I think Kubiak is a smart guy and wouldn't make poor hires just for buddy system. I just hope that he can get Alex Gibbs out of Atlanta to come over here and coach the line and teach Infante.

I second that Alex Gibbs hiring!

aj.
01-25-2006, 11:59 AM
It is sad when Kubiak has already started hiring people that we have to make excuses like "anything is better than Fangio".

That wasn't an excuse.

What did Ravens fans say in unison back in '96 when a linebackers coach from the Steelers with only 4 years NFL experience was hired to be Defensive Coordinator? They said, Marv Lewis? Who the hell is he?

Frank Bush may not be the next Marv Lewis but I like the idea of getting a coordinator in here who's young and hungry and was a player in the league. Jerry Gray would have been my choice but at least give this guy a chance. He could be the next rising star and he's certainly not a retread.

Bronco Texan
01-25-2006, 12:06 PM
Kubiaks Staff

Offense

OC- Sherman or Calhoun?
quarterbacks- Calhoun
Wr- kyle shanahan
tight ends-Brian Pariani
ol- David Diaz-Infant

Defense
DC-bush and smith
lbs- ryan
dbs- hoke

special teams

Marciano

I was born and raised in Corpus and I've been a Broncos fan since I can remember(parents came from Denver). I've been a Texan fans ever since they announced Houston as the 32nd franchise. So you could probably think how exited I am about Kubes getting the job. I see some of these staff members and it looks like he is trying to do much of the same as was done in Denver. If we get Sherman that will be huge and will help take some load off Kubes. I think Kyle is going to be a great hire and probably will be our next OC after Sherman leaves for a next HC job(assuming we get sherman). Kyle has been praised in Tampa for his ability to work with Simms. Look how much better Simms and he WR played this year. Joey Galloway put his name back on the map as a big play reciever. Also if they bring Nalen in to center the ol I smell another player/coach. I could see Nalen doing both. I always though he would make a great OL coach teaching the scheme he has ran for years. If someone is going to teach it why not Nalen? As for the D, look at Denver DC Larry Coyer. He was Denver's LB coach when they hired him. They like to run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid(which is becoming more popular amongst teams) in Denver. Maybe this is what Kubes has in mind with the Co-coordinators? I see alot of Larry Coyers in these two. Plus remember these guys have alot experience with LBs, which Denvers D evolves around. I see Kube getting some fast LBs to run a bunch of blitz packages. I think you will see a fast improvement next year. Maybe even winning 6-7 games.

texan_b
01-25-2006, 12:09 PM
I believe your correct Bronco texan. Miami ran the 3-4/4-3 hybrid last year and so did Denver so I expect to see it happen here.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 12:39 PM
I have not seen this posted anywhere. It is from Monday:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9183639

SHADE OF GRAY
No team has bulked up its coaching staff this off-season more than the Washington Redskins. And the Redskins might not be through just yet.

Don't be surprised if former Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Jerry Gray -- who interviewed for the Houston Texans head-coaching job -- winds up coaching in Washington with the Redskins. If Gray fails to land another defensive coordinator's job -- and jobs are running out, with New Orleans naming Gary Gibbs its defensive coordinator, and Green Bay going with Bob Sanders -- then Gray would look to Washington.

The fit would be a natural. Gray played for and coached with Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams in Houston, and then coached under him again in Buffalo. Washington also could be on the verge of losing its cornerbacks/secondary coach DeWayne Walker to the defensive coordinator's job at UCLA. If it does, Gray would be an ideal replacement.

Glacier
01-25-2006, 12:45 PM
I have not seen this posted anywhere. It is from Monday:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9183639

SHADE OF GRAY
No team has bulked up its coaching staff this off-season more than the Washington Redskins. And the Redskins might not be through just yet.

Don't be surprised if former Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Jerry Gray -- who interviewed for the Houston Texans head-coaching job -- winds up coaching in Washington with the Redskins. If Gray fails to land another defensive coordinator's job -- and jobs are running out, with New Orleans naming Gary Gibbs its defensive coordinator, and Green Bay going with Bob Sanders -- then Gray would look to Washington.

The fit would be a natural. Gray played for and coached with Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams in Houston, and then coached under him again in Buffalo. Washington also could be on the verge of losing its cornerbacks/secondary coach DeWayne Walker to the defensive coordinator's job at UCLA. If it does, Gray would be an ideal replacement.


sigh...i hate washington.....

i hate that gibbs is doing such a great job over there.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 12:46 PM
I have already said it, but this does concern me.

Pariani came to Syracuse as offensive coordinator last winter after spending 10 years coaching the tight ends for the Denver Broncos. It was there he coached with Robinson, who served as defensive coordinator of the Broncos between 1995-2000. And it was there he coached with Kubiak, who is considered his best friend.

Granted the best friend thing could be the journalist's literal license. But 10 years as a TE coach? Does not really seem like a go getter, seems to be riding on coat tails.

http://www.syracuse.com/sports/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1138183704146230.xml&coll=1

ccdude730
01-25-2006, 12:52 PM
http://www.suathletics.com/Sports/Football/2005/brianparianibio.asp

http://dev.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=633

here are 2 profiles of pariani just if you wanted to read more about him and the way he uses the TEs

Porky
01-25-2006, 12:56 PM
Yawn. I'm very underwhelmed. Didn't Mcnair learn any lessons in the Capers fiasco? Well, let's cross that idea off the list. We were explicitely told money is no object this time, and we will put the best staff together. So, far we have a line coach straight out of the broadcast booth, a 20 something WR coach who has no experience, and co-d coordinators neither of whom have any real cache, and we have no idea who is the real man in charge. Nothing against Frank Bush, who I have always admired going back 20 years to his early Oiler days. I would like him here as an assistant, but not as DC right away. What next, Kubes 17 yr old next door neighbor who has been his newspaper carrier as Dline coach?

The failings last time were that Capers brought in his friends, and stuck to them like glue, and frankly, they weren't very good. Don't just hire your cronies, hire the best guy for the job. We were told that would be the case this time. Every single guy has direct ties to Kubes. Not good. Not impressed whatsoever, although I do like Kubiak as a hire himself. Since he is offensive minded, he needs to bring in a stong DC, someone who the players will immediately know, respect, and has a track record of having good defenses - someone Kubiak can turn the reins over to, and know the D is in good hands. We instead get the two headed monster, neither of which has any demonstrated ability to forge a top defense. These are both lightweights. Can they BECOME heavyweights. 100% yes, but do you want to guess? I would rather know, especially since the HC and the rest of the staff have little experience. This is a staff full of friends and lightweights. Attracting top notch FA just got a lot harder. :brickwall

texan_b
01-25-2006, 01:02 PM
Maybe this is what kubiak wants and I would not blame him. Sure lets hire Bates or Gray and well at the end of the season they may bolt for a Head Coaching position then were are back at step one. I feel these two he hired may turn out to be gems we have no clue at all, but give them a chance. At least with these guys we will probably keep them for more than a season.

bckey
01-25-2006, 01:27 PM
That wasn't an excuse.

What did Ravens fans say in unison back in '96 when a linebackers coach from the Steelers with only 4 years NFL experience was hired to be Defensive Coordinator? They said, Marv Lewis? Who the hell is he?

Frank Bush may not be the next Marv Lewis but I like the idea of getting a coordinator in here who's young and hungry and was a player in the league. Jerry Gray would have been my choice but at least give this guy a chance. He could be the next rising star and he's certainly not a retread.

I'm not saying anyone will be bad. I just think the uncertainty of hiring all inexperienced coaches is a little risky. Heck Marciano and Hoke look like old timers. This could all turn out well but you have to admit there is a bigger risk factor with the 2 co-cordinators as opposed to a Jerry Gray or Jim Bates with a proven track record at DC. Usually when you hire rookie or inexperienced coaches at their positions you have an experienced staff around them. In Kubiaks case he is surrounding himself with a whole lot of coaches in brand new positions.

Algebrat
01-25-2006, 01:34 PM
Maybe this is what kubiak wants and I would not blame him. Sure lets hire Bates or Gray and well at the end of the season they may bolt for a Head Coaching position then were are back at step one. I feel these two he hired may turn out to be gems we have no clue at all, but give them a chance. At least with these guys we will probably keep them for more than a season.

I agree completely. A little continuaity in the coaching staff. Gray or Bates would be looking/interviewing for HC jobs after next season and probably leaving shortly after. We've brought in some guys with potential, let's see what they can do.

bigTEXan8
01-25-2006, 01:38 PM
sigh...i hate washington.....

i hate that gibbs is doing such a great job over there.

Gibbs is a good coach. Plus, it doesn't look bad for coordinators to have that they served under Gibbs on their resume.

edo783
01-25-2006, 02:22 PM
I find it VERY interesting that Kubes is bringing in a guy with a BOATLOAD of TE experience and a couple of guys with MAJOR Linebacker experience. You think he might be looking at upgrading a couple of areas game play?

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 02:26 PM
I find it VERY interesting that Kubes is bringing in a guy with a BOATLOAD of TE experience and a couple of guys with MAJOR Linebacker experience. You think he might be looking at upgrading a couple of areas game play?

Very good observation.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 02:39 PM
Scratch another candidate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2304660

Former New York Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson has been hired by first-year Detroit Lions head coach Rod Marinelli in the same capacity.

The addition of Henderson, who interviewed for two head coach openings over the last two weeks, fills one of the two key spots on Marinelli's staff. The Lions have yet to hire an offensive coordinator, a position that will be critical, given the ongoing instability at the quarterback position.

O.G.
01-25-2006, 03:21 PM
I find it VERY interesting that Kubes is bringing in a guy with a BOATLOAD of TE experience and a couple of guys with MAJOR Linebacker experience. You think he might be looking at upgrading a couple of areas game play?

Yeah and the Tight end from Texas, David Thomas also said he wanted to play for the Texans. Heard that on Fox as well. Would be a nice pick up as well.

bigTEXan8
01-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Yeah and the Tight end from Texas, David Thomas also said he wanted to play for the Texans. Heard that on Fox as well. Would be a nice pick up as well.

Do you think that he would be available in the second round>

TEXANS84
01-25-2006, 03:35 PM
Yeah and the Tight end from Texas, David Thomas also said he wanted to play for the Texans. Heard that on Fox as well. Would be a nice pick up as well.

Im sure a lot of players would like to play for the Texans/Cowboys, or even the Buccaneers, Jaguars, and Dolphins.

No state income tax looks wonderful when you're making millions.

Mario Williams
01-25-2006, 03:39 PM
I find it VERY interesting that Kubes is bringing in a guy with a BOATLOAD of TE experience and a couple of guys with MAJOR Linebacker experience. You think he might be looking at upgrading a couple of areas game play?

I agree!

Porky
01-25-2006, 03:40 PM
Do you think that he would be available in the second round>

My guess is Thomas goes in the 3rd or 4th round. Could even sneek into the top of the 5th.

Henderson is now off the list. Of course, our list consists of neghbors, friends, relatives, and people who go to Kubiak's church. God forbid he bring in a real DC.

bigTEXan8
01-25-2006, 03:42 PM
Im sure a lot of players would like to play for the Texans/Cowboys, or even the Buccaneers, Jaguars, and Dolphins.

No state income tax looks wonderful when you're making millions.

Ha...totally forgot about that. That's awesome. Philly is cool also because there is no sales tax there.

Glacier
01-25-2006, 03:43 PM
My guess is Thomas goes in the 3rd or 4th round. Could even sneek into the top of the 5th.

Henderson is now off the list. Of course, our list consists of neghbors, friends, relatives, and people who go to Kubiak's church. God forbid he bring in a real DC.


I would be surprised to see him drop past the 3rd. It all depends on how good he is at run blocking. We already know he is a legit receiving thread in the middle of the field.

He reminds me of Jason Witten.

Kaiser Toro
01-25-2006, 03:50 PM
Finally official.

http://www.wgr550.com/fullstory.php?id=1353

WGR Newsroom - Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 3:45 PM

NFL sources have confirmed that Jerry Gray will not return to the sidelines for Buffalo in 2006. He had served as defensive coordinator for the last five years, before interviewing with Green Bay as their Defensive Coordinaor and for the head coaching job in Houston. Dick Jauron now must fill both coordinator positions, as well as coaches for the defensive backs, linebackers, and to assistant on the offensive line.

During the Jauron press conference, Bills Owner Ralph Wilson Jr. and GM Marv Levy indicated that they would like to retain some of the assistant coaches who worked with Mike Mularkey, and already have completed some of their interviews.

Porky
01-25-2006, 03:57 PM
I would be surprised to see him drop past the 3rd. It all depends on how good he is at run blocking. We already know he is a legit receiving thread in the middle of the field.

He reminds me of Jason Witten.

I see him more as a Frank Wycheck H-back type. He will be a good receiver, but I don't think he is a big enough, or physical enough blocker to go higher than the 3rd. My current guess is he goes in the top half of the 4th round. But, we shall see. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. :redtowel:

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 04:06 PM
The failings last time were that Capers brought in his friends, and stuck to them like glue, and frankly, they weren't very good.

I keep seeing this, but this is just not true. Palmer was Cass' and McNair's hire, not Capers. Capers would not have brought in Palmer on his own. Two totally different offensive philosophies. We all know how it turned out.

Porky
01-25-2006, 05:28 PM
I keep seeing this, but this is just not true. Palmer was Cass' and McNair's hire, not Capers. Capers would not have brought in Palmer on his own. Two totally different offensive philosophies. We all know how it turned out.

I would like to know how you know whose hire Palmer was. As I recall, we were told Dom could hire whichever coaches he wanted. He was loyal to his guys to a fault, and that included guys like Palmer, Pendry, Fangio, and others. Palmer should have been fired last offseason, but Dom hung on to him, to his detriment.

Jack Bauer
01-25-2006, 05:34 PM
I would like to know how you know whose hire Palmer was. As I recall, we were told Dom could hire whichever coaches he wanted. He was loyal to his guys to a fault, and that included guys like Palmer, Pendry, Fangio, and others. Palmer should have been fired last offseason, but Dom hung on to him, to his detriment.

I remember the discussion from the hire. Palmer runs a totally different from Capers' philosophy. He was hired more than a year before the team took the field. I do agree with your second point. He was loyal to a fault once a coach was on his staff.

southtexan
01-25-2006, 07:28 PM
Seems both of them have been affiliated with the Oilers...

LINK (http://www.miamidolphins.com/lockerroom/coachingstaff/coachingstaff_smith_r.asp)

Richard Smith was named the Dolphins’ defensive coordinator by Head Coach Nick Saban on March 2, 2005. Smith comes to the Dolphins with 17 years of NFL coaching experience on his résumé, including the last two with the Detroit Lions, when he served as that team’s assistant head coach/linebackers. Two of those 17 seasons were spent working alongside Saban, as both were on the Houston Oilers staff from 1988-89.

Before joining the Lions in 2003, Smith spent six seasons (1997-02) with the San Francisco 49ers, where he coached the team’s linebackers. During that time, four of his linebackers were selected for the Pro Bowl; Julian Peterson in 2002, Winfred Tubbs in 1998 and both Ken Norton, Jr. and Lee Woodall in 1997.

Prior to his stint in San Francisco, Smith spent four seasons (1993-96) with the Denver Broncos coaching special teams, while also assisting with the linebackers for three seasons (1993-95).

Smith began his NFL coaching career with the Houston Oilers in 1988 where he coached special teams and assisted with the tight ends (1988-89), linebackers (1990-91) and the offensive line (1992). The Oilers qualified for the postseason in each of Smith’s five seasons with the club. In fact, the teams with which Smith has been a part of in the NFL have reached the playoffs in 11 of his 17 seasons, including four appearances with San Francisco (1997-98 and 2001-02), two with Denver (1993, 1996) and five with Houston (1988-92).

In 1987, Smith spent a season at the University of Arizona coaching linebackers and special teams after tutoring the outside linebackers and special teams from 1984-86 at the University of California.

Smith began his coaching career as offensive line coach at Rio Hondo (Calif.) Junior College from 1979-80. He then moved on to Cal State-Fullerton, where he tutored the Titans’ defensive line for three seasons (1981-83).


LINK (http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff_detail.php?PRKey=10)
Frank Bush enters his second season with the Cardinals as linebackers coach after joining the team last season. Before joining Dennis Green in Arizona, Bush worked as an assistant with the Denver Broncos (1995–03) and Houston Oilers (1992–94).

Bush served nine seasons with the Broncos—three as special teams coach (2001–03), one overseeing the defensive secondary/nickel packages (2000), and five as linebackers coach (1995–99). In 2003 Denver ranked fifth in the AFC in both punt and kickoff return average. Kicker Jason Elam accounted for 120 points for the second consecutive season, placing him fourth (2003), and second (2002), respectively. In 2001, Elam’s 86 percent field goal accuracy mark (31-of-36) was the best in Bronco history and Reuben Droughns ranked third in the AFC with a 25.8-yard kickoff return average.

In 1995, his first season as linebackers coach with Denver, the Bronco defense improved from 28th to 15th, then skyrocketed to the fourth overall defense in the league in 1996, including first against the run. The 1997 season saw two of his pupils—John Mobley (162) and Bill Romanowski (117) rank 1-2 on the club in tackles as Denver forged consecutive World Championships with victories in Super Bowl XXXII over Green Bay following the 1997 season and Super Bowl XXXIII over Atlanta after the ’98 campaign. In the latter campaign, the linebacker trio of Mobley (132) Glenn Cadrez (105), and Romanowski (95) led the team in tackles, Romanowski earned his second Pro Bowl berth, and the Bronco run defense finished third in the NFL.

After an outstanding college career as a three-year starter at North Carolina State, Bush was a fifth-round draft choice by Houston in the 1985 NFL Draft and earned all-rookie acclaim starting 11 of 16 games for the Oilers before a spinal injury prematurely ended his pro career a year later.

After serving as a college scout for the Oilers for six years (1987–92), he was the team’s linebackers coach for three seasons, bringing his tenure with Houston as a player, scout, and assistant coach to 10 years.

Bush’s linebackers continued to play an integral role the following two seasons as the Broncos In 2002, his special teams ranked among the best in the league as Denver ranked third in the AFC in kickoff coverage and fourth in kickoff return average.

Born January 10, 1963 in Athens, Ga., Bush and his wife, Stephanie, reside in Chandler.

Coaching Breakdown
1987–92 Houston Oilers Scout
1992–94 Houston Oilers Linebackers
1995–2003 Denver Broncos Linebackers/Special Teams
2004- Arizona Cardinals Linebackers
If I'm not mistaken Glanville nicknamed Smith "perfect" or something of that nature, Glanville used to make fun at Smith when he first came to the Oilers.

aj.
01-25-2006, 07:43 PM
I would like to know how you know whose hire Palmer was. As I recall, we were told Dom could hire whichever coaches he wanted. He was loyal to his guys to a fault, and that included guys like Palmer, Pendry, Fangio, and others. Palmer should have been fired last offseason, but Dom hung on to him, to his detriment.

Palmer was hired less than two weeks after Capers and I'd be very surprised if the question "who would you hire as offensive coordinator and why?" didn't come up during Capers' interview. I'd guess Palmer was high on the target list pre-Capers' interview but it may have come down to a 'convince me' scenario with him and other candidates during the interview.

Bronco Texan
01-25-2006, 07:57 PM
I find it VERY interesting that Kubes is bringing in a guy with a BOATLOAD of TE experience and a couple of guys with MAJOR Linebacker experience. You think he might be looking at upgrading a couple of areas game play?



Well Kubes likes to use the TEs in his offense alot. Other than the QB they are probably one of the most important positions in his offense. They are responsible for alot of run blocking, plus they are used alot in the passing games as well. Jeb Putzier ranked 3rd in catches this year for Denver.

Also the LBs are the heart of the D in Denver. They have to be fast and good tacklers. The LBs have to be able to stop the run, rush the QB, plus drop back in coverage. They really are do all in the Denver system.

So I could see why he wanted experienced coaches at these two position.

TexanBacker93
01-26-2006, 08:09 AM
I don't have a problem at all with allowing Kubiak to bring in guys he is familiar with. It's his coaching staff and the organization needs to support his decisions. To me, Washington is a mess and I would like to avoid anything like that circus. It looks like Snyder makes every hire and just goes for the biggest name or the costliest guy. I doubt Gibbs has had much say in who to bring in. Do the philosophies mesh? I'd rather Kubiak bring in coaches that will all fit his style than have a staff that's on different pages. Actually, that's what the Texans had for 4 years. You had a head coach that was about defense and ball control, yet they brought in an offensive coordinator that wanted to throw the ball down the field. They used the first draft choice on a QB. They didn't ever address the poor line and let the best defensive players get older and let them go. Mismatched coaching will result in inconsistent play.

As for specific coaches he is bringing in, I wanted to weigh in on a couple of them. Although Diaz-Infante is coming from the broadcast booth, Shanahan and Kubiak had talked with him about coaching numerous times. I guess Kubiak finally convinced him. He played with the Broncos during their 2 Super Bowl winning seasons and has (I believe) done some football related educational DVDs with Marc Schlereth who was also on that Broncos line. He knows the zone blocking with cut block system and should fit in nicely.

Brian Pariani did spend 10 years coaching Tight Ends in Denver. Now, while some people might consider this a sign that he's not motivated, it could also be a sign that he's pretty good at what he does. That organization has replaced coaches that performed poorly. You don't stay around them if you don't do a good job. They've always been at the top of the league as far as using tight ends in their offense. I mean, come on, Jeb Putzier has caught 73 passes in the last 2 years. He's also shared time with Alexander and Carswell. Pariani worked with Shannon Sharpe. People might remember him, he was Antonio Gates before there was an Antonio Gates. Alex Gibbs is on everyone's wish list. There's a perfect example of a man who spent a lot of time coaching one area and did it very well. I think Pariani will be a great addition to improving the Texans tight end play.

O.G.
01-26-2006, 09:49 AM
Going by what I read on John Clayton's article in the Insider this morning and yesterday, Jim Bates wanted to be the Texan's coordinator. He thought he was the choice, but things cooled and Kubiak began to have second thoughts and started leaning towards Richard Smith with someone helping. He (Bates) met with Kubiak yesterday to see if there was a still a chance of himself getting the job. This to me means Richard Smith will make 70% of the calls with Frank Bush making 30%. I believe the reason Kubiak chose the two over Bates is bacause he merely didn't want to go thru this same situation next year. He wants coaches that will be here for a few years and if by chance one of the the two Defensive Coordinators leave, there won't be a significant drop since the other can take the full load. Just my take. Anyway, here is the article

Clayon's Quick Hits
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=clayton_john

Kaiser Toro
01-26-2006, 09:54 AM
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=57790

Cardinals coach Dennis Green worked quickly to reconfigure his coaching staff after the season, but he may have more vacancies to fill in the near future.

Running backs coach Kirby Wilson was granted permission to interview with the New Orleans Saints for a job on Sean Payton’s new staff, while new Houston coach Gary Kubiak wants Cards linebackers coach Frank Bush to be one of his co-defensive coordinators. Bush worked with Kubiak on Denver’s staff and was a player, coach and scout for the former Houston Oilers.

Under Kubiak’s plan, Bush would share coordinator duties with Richard Smith, who is currently under contract with Miami. As of Wednesday, the Texans have not yet asked the Cardinals for permission to speak to Bush.

Bush’s problem is that he recently re-signed with Arizona, so Green and the Cardinals would have to release him from his contract to take the job. There has been a recent trend for teams not to do so — teams are not obligated to let assistants go, even if it means a promotion — and just last week, the Cards declined to let new offensive line coach Steve Loney interview with St. Louis as their offensive coordinator.

Loney, however, just signed with the Cardinals earlier this month, while Bush has been in Arizona both seasons under Green.

Wilson has more flexibility, since he has yet to sign his new contract with the Cardinals and his current deal is believed to expire early next month.

All the coaches in the league are in Mobile, Ala., this week to scout Senior Bowl practices.

Porky
01-26-2006, 09:55 AM
Going by what I read on John Clayton's article in the Insider this morning and yesterday, Jim Bates wanted to be the Texan's coordinator. He thought he was the choice, but things cooled and Kubiak began to have second thoughts and started leaning towards Richard Smith with someone helping. He (Bates) met with Kubiak yesterday to see if there was a chance of that happening. This to me means Richard Smith will make 70% of the calls with Frank Bush making 30%. I believe the reason Kubiak chose the two over Bates is bacause he merely didn't want to go thru this same situation next year. He wants coaches that will be here for a few years and if by chance one of the the two Defensive Coordinators leave, there won't be a significant drop since the other can take the full load. Just my take. Anyway, here is the article

Clayon's Quick Hits
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=clayton_john

If that is his thinking, it's stupid. So, the idea is to hire coaches who are less experienced, and potentially not as good so they will stay longer? Ok. So, that makes as much sense as drafting all 6th rd picks, so you won't lose good players to FA. Let's just trade the first pick for some teams 7th rd choice for the next 10 years. That way they won't be good enough to want to leave. If you want to be the best, you have to hire the best. Then let the chips fall where they may.

O.G.
01-26-2006, 10:37 AM
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=57790

Cardinals coach Dennis Green worked quickly to reconfigure his coaching staff after the season, but he may have more vacancies to fill in the near future.

Running backs coach Kirby Wilson was granted permission to interview with the New Orleans Saints for a job on Sean Payton’s new staff, while new Houston coach Gary Kubiak wants Cards linebackers coach Frank Bush to be one of his co-defensive coordinators. Bush worked with Kubiak on Denver’s staff and was a player, coach and scout for the former Houston Oilers.

Under Kubiak’s plan, Bush would share coordinator duties with Richard Smith, who is currently under contract with Miami. As of Wednesday, the Texans have not yet asked the Cardinals for permission to speak to Bush.

Bush’s problem is that he recently re-signed with Arizona, so Green and the Cardinals would have to release him from his contract to take the job. There has been a recent trend for teams not to do so — teams are not obligated to let assistants go, even if it means a promotion — and just last week, the Cards declined to let new offensive line coach Steve Loney interview with St. Louis as their offensive coordinator.

Loney, however, just signed with the Cardinals earlier this month, while Bush has been in Arizona both seasons under Green.

Wilson has more flexibility, since he has yet to sign his new contract with the Cardinals and his current deal is believed to expire early next month.

All the coaches in the league are in Mobile, Ala., this week to scout Senior Bowl practices.

So there is still a good chance that Houston will land Bates after all if we go by what other ball clubs are doing.

Kaiser Toro
01-26-2006, 10:53 AM
So there is still a good chance that Houston will land Bates after all if we go by what other ball clubs are doing.

Or Gray.

O.G.
01-26-2006, 11:13 AM
Or Gray.

True, I saw the McClain Article on the debate between the two, Young and Bush and the person that was answering the question..... was Gray, makes you wonder.....

texan_b
01-26-2006, 11:46 AM
True, I saw the McClain Article on the debate between the two, Young and Bush and the person that was answering the question..... was Gray, makes you wonder.....


Yea when I read that it told me that Gray would have wanted Vince.

O.G.
01-26-2006, 11:57 AM
Yea when I read that it told me that Gray would have wanted Vince.

Yeah, but it also told me that maybe the Texans might want Gray. You normally don't have a conversation with a head coach candidate/defensive coordinator the day before Kubiak is going to be announced.