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HoustonFrog
01-23-2006, 08:23 AM
Well one thing I have read today that makes me happy is that the team makeup, assistants, etc will be on Kubiak's shoulders. We need to be able to pinpoint who is doing what. I do find this article funny though because Justice is such a Casserly homer but then throws him under the bus in the this article. True words but typical of the flip-flop.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3604914.html

TEXANRED
01-23-2006, 09:38 AM
I was under the impression that Cass got all of his player input from his coach's and scouting department. Wasent it Caper's who pushed for Wand and Caper's coaching staff who pushed for Babbin and Pbuc? Yes hollings was all Cass, but that is Cass trying to pull out a diamond in the rough. And yes Cass is looking like he likes to over pay his players. If I was McNair I would have shot Cass for giving away your first day draft to a division foe, and then turn around and do it again the next year. That right there is what should have gotten him fired. As far as picking players go, he is going by his charts and going by the info his scouts and coach's are giving him.

Its not all Cass and for Justice to blame everything on Cass is just typical of his steller journalism(I heard that he gets paid a hundred grand a year to right that stuff)

Of course I would still have fired Cass, the entire coaching staff and the scouting department. Just b/c your coach's rant about a certain player dosent mean you have to sell the farm for them.

SheTexan
01-23-2006, 10:04 AM
Typical Justice article. He structures his articles as if his opinion is the only one that matters. I ignore most of what he writes.

Porky
01-23-2006, 10:14 AM
Typical Justice article. He structures his articles as if his opinion is the only one that matters. I ignore most of what he writes.

That's why it's called an "opinion" column. Agree or disagree, but column's are written with a viewpoint in mind. They are not meant to be nuetral. They are meant to be one author's opinion only. For the record, I agree with him. I think Reeves and Cass together over the long term is not a good arrangement. I would have fired Cass, but my "opinion" is that Mcnair realizes that Cass has one more year on his contract. He is keeping Reeves around as his ace in the hole. If he decides Charlie has to go, then Reeves is right there to fill those shoes, and can hit the ground running. JMO. :stirpot:

HoustonFrog
01-23-2006, 10:33 AM
I agree that any man can have an opinion. Here is the capper though. When he first started writing his Save Casserly pieces a couple of months ago, I got peeved and sent him a letter that also got printed in the Chronicle telling him that he was a fool and that he was letting Cass skate. He wrote me back explaining away his bad drafts and moves as coaching decisions. Maybe he had time to reflect but in this article he pretty much says what I wrote him(taking no credit :) ) that Cass had to sign off on them. Anything to make a point I guess.

Grid
01-23-2006, 10:51 AM
Casserly's "bad drafts" are a myth IMO. People are taking a few noticable picks that didnt pan out and claiming that Casserly's drafts all sucked.. its just not true.

His FA moves have been horrid though.

donbmt
01-23-2006, 11:00 AM
I agree with SheTexan, remember his R.I.P. with the Astros last year?

TheOgre
01-23-2006, 11:01 AM
I'll take a John McClain article over a Richard Justice article 9 times out of 10. Justice seems to shift with the breeze more than that plastic bag in American Beauty. I find his articles to have limited information or purpose. I usually am not this mean when it comes to the media, but I just don't like his input.

Holden135
01-23-2006, 11:04 AM
I cannot stand any of the writers for the chronicle. They change their stance nearly every week. First they hate you, then they love you kinda thing. Example: Astros last season. It is pointless to say we should emmulate the Steelers. Newsflash guys the Steelers are in the Super Bowl. Every team in the nfl should emmulate them.

gtexan02
01-23-2006, 11:05 AM
Does it seem stupid to anyone else that all the sportswriter is saying is we should copy the team going to the superbowl?
Here, let me take a stab at sportswriting:

Rockets should mirror Pistons.
Astros should mirror White Sox.
Texans should mirror Steelers.

Man thats easy, a bad team should start playing like a good team....and problem solved!

Speedy
01-23-2006, 11:21 AM
I hate to break this to you, but these newspaper "writers" (notice I didn't say journalists) are no different than anyone who posts on this message board, except they get paid for it. They're nothing more than professional bloggers.

And as far as them having an opinion, that's fine. The problem, as someone has mentioned already, is that they flip-flop constantly. I've seen Justice do it the very next day. They don't have an opinion, they're just trying to sell newspapers. And for the record, I haven't bought a Chronicle in years because of it.

alphajoker
01-23-2006, 11:31 AM
I hate to break this to you, but these newspaper "writers" (notice I didn't say journalists) are no different than anyone who posts on this message board, except they get paid for it. They're nothing more than professional bloggers.

And as far as them having an opinion, that's fine. The problem, as someone has mentioned already, is that they flip-flop constantly. I've seen Justice do it the very next day. They don't have an opinion, they're just trying to sell newspapers. And for the record, I haven't bought a Chronicle in years because of it.

I agree with you Speedy. I don't have the data but I'm sure that the "writers" probably just did a cut and paste with the Patriots as the team to emulate from last year.

Grid
01-23-2006, 11:31 AM
Im actually working on getting my education so I can become one of these "writers".. so it looks like ill fit perfectly :).. I AM one of the people who posts on this messageboard and im a notorious flip-flopper :)

I promise when I am writing for a paper, Ill write the truth, and not just write something to sell papers.. so i expect ya to buy my paper :D

Double Barrel
01-23-2006, 11:31 AM
I agree with Porky and Speedy. This is just an opinion peice, and we get tons of those in the forum. At least around here we try to hold each other somewhat accountable for flip-flopping, but there are no such checks and balances over at the Chronicle.

With that in mind, I would rather our team mirror the New England Patriots. Three Superbowl championships in four years is never a bad thing. :howdy:

jerek
01-23-2006, 11:34 AM
Casserly's "bad drafts" are a myth IMO. People are taking a few noticable picks that didnt pan out and claiming that Casserly's drafts all sucked.. its just not true.

His FA moves have been horrid though.

Pretty much. Every GM is going to bust a couple of times, I used to be firmly on the fire-Casserly bandwagon and depending on how this offseason goes, I might head up that parade again. But looking back over his drafts, he has had some good success: just wish his mid-round (2-3) picks were more solid: we have almost always come up empty there.

Free agency, though, has been lacking.

HoustonFrog
01-23-2006, 11:57 AM
Pretty much. Every GM is going to bust a couple of times, I used to be firmly on the fire-Casserly bandwagon and depending on how this offseason goes, I might head up that parade again. But looking back over his drafts, he has had some good success: just wish his mid-round (2-3) picks were more solid: we have almost always come up empty there.

Free agency, though, has been lacking.

He had some finds but he wasted way too many picks 2-4 if you ask me. Not only that but it is more who is passed up compared to he took. He made some good deals for picks in Washington but was run out of town for who he took most of the time. I don't think the guy knows talent and I don't think finding 2-3 diamonds in 4 years makes up for the rocks and the deals.

Kaiser Toro
01-23-2006, 12:04 PM
It is an opinion piece plain and simple. He has not found the Holy Grail as his points do not parallel our station in life, as a team.

Kubiak will have a lot of control, in my opinion, to stamp his identity on this team immediately as any new coach is given the ability to mandate as such.

Errant Hothy
01-23-2006, 12:11 PM
I agree with SheTexan, remember his R.I.P. with the Astros last year?

Remeber it, Hell I had my Dad ship a copy up to Dallas so I could read it, then in about August I was cleaning out my desk, found the article, laughed and had it framed. Pissess off all my friends here who are Ranger fans.

aj.
01-23-2006, 12:16 PM
I do find this article funny though because Justice is such a Casserly homer but then throws him under the bus in the this article. True words but typical of the flip-flop.


Justice's last two or three columns have been critical of Casserly. If fact, the one on Jan 9 was downright brutal - > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3576638.html

But, he has done a 180 since the Dec. 4 column where he said Casserly should not be fired because he did all the things that he said he didn't do in that later article.

He also wrote a column in mid-December where he said Vince wasn't ready for the NFL.

Whether you agree with what he's saying or not, and regardless if he's consistent (remember he may not have totally gelled his opinions either, because of writing on impulse) the purpose of the column is to inspire debate and get thoughts and ideas out to the masses. If you're looking to a sports columnist for guidance, lord help ya.

beerlover
01-23-2006, 12:21 PM
Casserly has been misunderstood thats all, I've been against his picks all along but never understood his role completly, seems he just did the background work and focused on each prospects outlook then this information was acted upon mostly by the coaches. I now beleive Casserly knows the draft as well as anyone, but gets swayed or over ruled too often to blame him for this mess. I would like to see what he could do by trading down, Ferguson looks like just what the Texans need at LT. But we also need to get a pass rushing DE like a Tamba Hali, Penn State. As a draftnik the more picks the better, I would feel if given the opportunity Casserly would agree :)

As far as Justice I like him as a writer, journelist and interviewer, he does excell in some sports better than others like Baseball :cool:

aj.
01-23-2006, 12:28 PM
Casserly is a weak GM who would be better suited in an administrative role in the area of organizing scouting data and contracts admin. The VP of Football Operations needs to be a strong decision maker in the area of football ops.

beerlover
01-23-2006, 12:32 PM
Casserly is a weak GM who would be better suited in an administrative role in the area of organizing scouting data and contracts admin. The VP of Football Operations needs to be a strong decision maker in the area of football ops.

that pretty much says it all, so maybe Reeves is or gonna be the GM :confused:

HoustonFrog
01-23-2006, 12:35 PM
Justice's last two or three columns have been critical of Casserly. If fact, the one on Jan 9 was downright brutal - > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3576638.html

But, he has done a 180 since the Dec. 4 column where he said Casserly should not be fired because he did all the things that he said he didn't do in that later article.

He also wrote a column in mid-December where he said Vince wasn't ready for the NFL.

Whether you agree with what he's saying or not, and regardless if he's consistent (remember he may not have totally gelled his opinions either, because of writing on impulse) the purpose of the column is to inspire debate and get thoughts and ideas out to the masses. If you're looking to a sports columnist for guidance, lord help ya.

The letter I got printed in the Chronicle was after the article where he actually panned him but still believed he should be GM. It didn't jive with anything IMHO because he was pointing out very fireable offenses. I guess it is the sides of the fence that bothers me. Don't write me back and use "coaches choice" as an excuse and then write an article now saying coaches choice but he signed off, which is what I was trying to say all along. As some others have said, he seems to put it in the context of where he wants it to fit. As for Cass, maybe he is better as a wheeler and dealer but just a poor evaluator when it comes to team needs.

aj.
01-23-2006, 12:35 PM
One thing I forgot to say in my earlier post - and relative to the thread/column title - is that our former head coach wanted the Texans to emulate the Steelers, but his defensive coordinator got in the way.

Porky
01-23-2006, 12:39 PM
Casserly has been misunderstood thats all, I've been against his picks all along but never understood his role completly, seems he just did the background work and focused on each prospects outlook then this information was acted upon mostly by the coaches. I now beleive Casserly knows the draft as well as anyone, but gets swayed or over ruled too often to blame him for this mess. I would like to see what he could do by trading down, Ferguson looks like just what the Texans need at LT. But we also need to get a pass rushing DE like a Tamba Hali, Penn State. As a draftnik the more picks the better, I would feel if given the opportunity Casserly would agree :)

As far as Justice I like him as a writer, journelist and interviewer, he does excell in some sports better than others like Baseball :cool:

A couple of points.

If Cass would agree the more picks the better, then why has he consistetnly traded picks for either moving up in the draft, or established players? He might say he covets them, but then he tosses them around as if they were as important as a disposable handi wipe from the gas station.

Secondly, if he has consistently let the coaches make virtually all the core decisions on player personell, whether by drafting those the coaches want, or in making trades and FA signings, then could someone please point out the purpose of his job? Talk about a weak GM. Heck, it sounds to me more like a job I could do, and I would do it for half. Why even bother doing all of that scouting he is so well known for if at the end of the day he gives carte blanche to his coaching staff? I would rather stay home and watch reruns of Baywatch myself. Now, that's the kind of scouting I prefer. :drool:

Double Barrel
01-23-2006, 12:56 PM
Casserly is a weak GM who would be better suited in an administrative role in the area of organizing scouting data and contracts admin. The VP of Football Operations needs to be a strong decision maker in the area of football ops.

I agree. That's why I was hoping Casserly would get the boot and we'd pick up Scott Pioli for our GM (he is the Vice President of player personnel for the Patriots). But obviously, no such luck. We're stuck with Charlie for a while longer.

aj.
01-24-2006, 11:46 AM
I agree with SheTexan, remember his R.I.P. with the Astros last year?

That was deJesus Ortiz, not Justice.