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David's Busted Carr
01-22-2006, 10:47 PM
I just finished reading Bob McNair's press briefing about the hiring of Gary Kubiak! EXCELLENT hiring too, I'm very excited about that! Anyway, McNair repeatedly says that Kubiak's hometown roots were one of the MAJOR factors in the ultimate decision to offer Kubiak the job. He must say that at least 5 or 6 times.

Hmmmm, makes you think a little bit about how McNair would think about drafting hometown product Vince Young. I know Kubiak will have major pull with this pick, but McNair will ultimately have to sign off on the pick and if Houston roots are that important to him Vince might be his guy. Especially for a QB which is the face of your franchise! Plus you get Kubiak (Aggie) and VY (Longhorn) and you're covered!

And a side note. I'm thinking Denver getting waxed and Plummer having a horrible game might have Kubiak view Carr a little differently. Carr and Plummer have extremely similar styles and maybe Kubiak will now look at his last game with Plummer and realize he needs better than an average "game manager" QB!

Mario Williams
01-22-2006, 10:50 PM
Not another VY thread.

bakerooskie
01-22-2006, 10:54 PM
Well, if hometown roots is better basis for taking the number 1 draft pick, I wanna know when talent went out of the door... Vince Young is a great athlete, but Reggie Bush is too good a player to pass up... This guy has proven that everytime he puts on a uniform, he makes big things happen... We have a quarterback, we just need to use him better, give him a little more protection, we have great hands to throw it too with Andre Johnson and Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney too... We need to focus on our pass protection, and David Carr will put out tremendous numbers... With Reggie Bush, it's a double threat offense... Think it over...

bakerooskie
01-22-2006, 10:56 PM
Not another VY thread.
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Big78
01-22-2006, 11:03 PM
we have great hands to throw it too with Andre Johnson and Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney too...
Did someone just say that corey BRADFORD had good hands? alright thats it, take ur stool and go sit in the corner.:brickwall

TEXANRED
01-22-2006, 11:07 PM
And a side note. I'm thinking Denver getting waxed and Plummer having a horrible game might have Kubiak view Carr a little differently. Carr and Plummer have extremely similar styles and maybe Kubiak will now look at his last game with Plummer and realize he needs better than an average "game manager" QB!

I love the David Carr haters. Any chance they get to bash Carr they take it. Like sharks when smell blood in the water.

I hate to point out to all who are bashing Carr thru Plummer, but didnt Plummer help his team to a division win and the AFC championship? Two years with Kubiak and Plummer has turned his career around.

GP
01-22-2006, 11:07 PM
Bradford will be joining James Allen in the recording studio.

sprtsfanatic
01-22-2006, 11:12 PM
Did someone just say that corey BRADFORD had good hands? alright thats it, take ur stool and go sit in the corner.:brickwall

my thoughts exactly....bradford with good hands...aint that a joke. Yeah, he has good hands if banks is throwing him the ball...but seeing as how thats not going to happen on a regular basis...he can should of had his bags packed A LONG TIME AGO.

TexanSam
01-22-2006, 11:14 PM
Personally, I don't care whether he's from Houston or not. He hasn't lived here in over 20 years so I don't know if that was that big of a factor. I just wanted the coach that's best suited for the job and I think that is him. Hire the guy who we think will help us turn this ship around, don't hire him just because he's from Houston.

Errant Hothy
01-22-2006, 11:17 PM
I love the David Carr haters. Any chance they get to bash Carr they take it. Like sharks when smell blood in the water.

I hate to point out to all who are bashing Carr thru Plummer, but didnt Plummer help his team to a division win and the AFC championship? Two years with Kubiak and Plummer has turned his career around.


I agree.

People are failing to take into account that Pitt's D has been falt out amazing the last month or so. But is that being taken into account in all of the Plummer/Carr comparisons...of course not. We don't want to do anything put praise VY here @ vinceyoung.com

Bobo
01-22-2006, 11:33 PM
I just finished reading Bob McNair's press briefing about the hiring of Gary Kubiak! EXCELLENT hiring too, I'm very excited about that! Anyway, McNair repeatedly says that Kubiak's hometown roots were one of the MAJOR factors in the ultimate decision to offer Kubiak the job. He must say that at least 5 or 6 times.

Hmmmm, makes you think a little bit about how McNair would think about drafting hometown product Vince Young. I know Kubiak will have major pull with this pick, but McNair will ultimately have to sign off on the pick and if Houston roots are that important to him Vince might be his guy. Especially for a QB which is the face of your franchise! Plus you get Kubiak (Aggie) and VY (Longhorn) and you're covered!

And a side note. I'm thinking Denver getting waxed and Plummer having a horrible game might have Kubiak view Carr a little differently. Carr and Plummer have extremely similar styles and maybe Kubiak will now look at his last game with Plummer and realize he needs better than an average "game manager" QB!

I disagree. I feel the hiring of Kubiak was a big, big mistake. Capers led an infant, totally inexperienced team to the cusp of a .500 season and McNair threw him under the bus for one bad season. Both the Steelers and the Seahawks had coaches who had bad seasons with a lot better teams behind them, but the front office stayed with them and have been rewarded with trips to the Super Bowl. Houston, on the other hand, jettisoned a coach with a proven track record and instead brought in a homeboy who has as much NFL head coaching experience as I do and has a spotty post-Elway record as an OC of a loaded offense. It wouldn't surprise me if McNair went out and hired Bucky Richardson as QBs coach, Marshall Applewhite as OC, Earl Campbell as RBs coach and "White Shoes" Johnson as receivers coach. This whole thing is just ridiculous.

infantrycak
01-22-2006, 11:38 PM
Cowhers has had 3 losing seasons out of 14 with only two being back to back (his 7th and 8th seasons). Holmgren has had 2 losing seasons out of 14 with none back to back. I like Capers but c'mon, your examples kick harder than they shoot.

For those on the MB who don't know, Bobo is a Titans fan so take his posts for what they are worth in terms of wanting the Texans to succeed.

justtxyank
01-22-2006, 11:39 PM
I disagree. I feel the hiring of Kubiak was a big, big mistake. Capers led an infant, totally inexperienced team to the cusp of a .500 season and McNair threw him under the bus for one bad season. Both the Steelers and the Seahawks had coaches who had bad seasons with a lot better teams behind them, but the front office stayed with them and have been rewarded with trips to the Super Bowl. Houston, on the other hand, jettisoned a coach with a proven track record and instead brought in a homeboy who has as much NFL head coaching experience as I do and has a spotty post-Elway record as an OC of a loaded offense. It wouldn't surprise me if McNair went out and hired Bucky Richardson as QBs coach, Marshall Applewhite as OC, Earl Campbell as RBs coach and "White Shoes" Johnson as receivers coach. This whole thing is just ridiculous.

Pull the stick out of your butt and evaluate what you just said.

Kubiak has had a spotty record as offensive coordinator? How so? Because it consistently ranks in the top ten with quarterbacks like Steve Buerline, Brian Griese, and Jake Plummer at the helm? Or because of the studley backs not named Portis who have rushed for great seasons?

Nothing wrong with doubting him as a hire, but try not to throw out dumb reasons to attack him.

thunderkyss
01-22-2006, 11:42 PM
Well, if hometown roots is better basis for taking the number 1 draft pick, I wanna know when talent went out of the door... Vince Young is a great athlete, but Reggie Bush is too good a player to pass up... This guy has proven that everytime he puts on a uniform, he makes big things happen... We have a quarterback, we just need to use him better, give him a little more protection, we have great hands to throw it too with Andre Johnson and Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney too... We need to focus on our pass protection, and David Carr will put out tremendous numbers... With Reggie Bush, it's a double threat offense... Think it over...

We are the Houston Texans.... If we draft Vince Young, we do not have to give up the rest of our draft. We will still have other picks. We've already got the #1 overall, we do not have to trade away our probowlers, and subsequent draft picks to get it.


If you don't think Vince Young is Talented...... you don't know what talent is.


Personally, I'd take a T.E. with my second pick, and do my best to get LeCharles Bently........ If that isn't enough to get Carr over the hump, Vince comes off the bench.

Maddict5
01-22-2006, 11:47 PM
And a side note. I'm thinking Denver getting waxed and Plummer having a horrible game might have Kubiak view Carr a little differently. Carr and Plummer have extremely similar styles and maybe Kubiak will now look at his last game with Plummer and realize he needs better than an average "game manager" QB!

im going to guess an o-line is the difference between jake and carr.(on a side note your username really made me expect an impartial and unbiased view). look at all the qbs that struggled and performed well in the playoffs.
Seattle, steelers-excellent o-line and blitz pick-up. Manning,both jakes, byron,simms,brunell,eli all struggled when their o-line was bad- hell look at culpepper he was horrible this year when his o-line got injured and performed badly- no qb is good when he has a crap o-line...what do you think is going to happen if leinart or young are brought in.. that the immobile leinart or young who cant throw accurately and will have a spy on him will have time and make great throws etc. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

TEXANRED
01-23-2006, 12:12 AM
We are the Houston Texans.... If we draft Vince Young, we do not have to give up the rest of our draft. We will still have other picks. We've already got the #1 overall, we do not have to trade away our probowlers, and subsequent draft picks to get it.


If you don't think Vince Young is Talented...... you don't know what talent is.



Are you Vince Youngs Agent?

LoneStarState
01-23-2006, 12:19 AM
I'm willing to bet Kubiak's experience and qualifications played a more important role in his being hired than where he's from. And to try to relate McNair's statements about Kubiak's roots to VY being the number 1 pick is RIDICULOUS!

jacquescas
01-23-2006, 12:20 AM
plus maybe this is mcnairs hiring of a hometown guy to appease fans who will be upset when he drafts bush or trades the pick:stirpot:

Hookem Horns
01-23-2006, 12:30 AM
Vince Young is a great athlete, but Reggie Bush is too good a player to pass up... This guy has proven that everytime he puts on a uniform, he makes big things happen...

First off, VY is a great QB not just athlete (it's ok to say an African American guy is a great QB without referring to him as just a great athlete). The same argument can be made that VY is too great of a player to pass up, and your last quote is more appropriate for VY. Everytime HE puts on a uniform things happen, like winning and pulling a National Championship out of his wazoo. Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Heck, where was Bush during a lot of the 4th QTR? I watching the game again on ESPN Classic and noticed him on the sideline during a lot of plays in the 4th QTR.

AustinJB
01-23-2006, 12:42 AM
Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Heck, where was Bush during a lot of the 4th QTR? I watching the game again on ESPN Classic and noticed him on the sideline during a lot of plays in the 4th QTR.

Bush was on the sideline during the 4th b/c he wasn't having a Bush-like game b/c the first defender was getting him down almost every time (couldn't outjuke/outrun the defenders on a good defense). L.White was far more effective as a runner against a good defense, which is why I think he will be a better pro than Bush.

BTW, against the best defense that VY faced (Ohio St.), he fared pretty well. And for all of you that say "VY won't be able to run as much in the NFL".....guess what? I agree. Against the best defense that he faced all year, they wouldn't let him run....what did he do? He just decided to throw the ball to beat them w/ a TD pass in the waning seconds to win the game. And he stood in the pocket and did it w/ just as much poise as he did when he ran the ball in the Rose Bowl. I know, I know....it's probably hard for some of you to believe that a "running QB" didn't actually run, but rather PASSED to win a game against his toughest competition. That's the difference between VY and the previous known running QBs....he's far superior as a passer than any of them were (and as a runner too according to their stats).

kbourda
01-23-2006, 12:48 AM
First off, VY is a great QB not just athlete (it's ok to say an African American guy is a great QB without referring to him as just a great athlete). The same argument can be made that VY is too great of a player to pass up, and your last quote is more appropriate for VY. Everytime HE puts on a uniform things happen, like winning and pulling a National Championship out of his wazoo. Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Heck, where was Bush during a lot of the 4th QTR? I watching the game again on ESPN Classic and noticed him on the sideline during a lot of plays in the 4th QTR.

Well said, Hookem! You know, i'm kinda getting the impression that people you aren't Young backers just feel he, based upon what he has been showing his whole career, is not worth a #1 pick. I like Young's game. I like Bush's game. At the end of the day, i'll take Young in a heartbeat. But it's not my call (nor ESPN's). I trust that Kubiak and his staff will sit back and look at the whole picture.

kbourda
01-23-2006, 12:50 AM
Bush was on the sideline during the 4th b/c he wasn't having a Bush-like game b/c the first defender was getting him down almost every time (couldn't outjuke/outrun the defenders on a good defense). L.White was far more effective as a runner against a good defense, which is why I think he will be a better pro than Bush.

BTW, against the best defense that VY faced (Ohio St.), he fared pretty well. And for all of you that say "VY won't be able to run as much in the NFL".....guess what? I agree. Against the best defense that he faced all year, they wouldn't let him run....what did he do? He just decided to throw the ball to beat them w/ a TD pass in the waning seconds to win the game. And he stood in the pocket and did it w/ just as much poise as he did when he ran the ball in the Rose Bowl. I know, I know....it's probably hard for some of you to believe that a "running QB" didn't actually run, but rather PASSED to win a game against his toughest competition. That's the difference between VY and the previous known running QBs....he's far superior as a passer than any of them were (and as a runner too according to their stats).

He got 75 yards on the ground, too. People are very selective with their sight as far as Young is concerned.

Errant Hothy
01-23-2006, 01:09 AM
Heck, where was Bush during a lot of the 4th QTR? I watching the game again on ESPN Classic and noticed him on the sideline during a lot of plays in the 4th QTR.

Yeah, cause we all know that Reggie went up to Carroll and asked to be on the sidelines during that play. :brickwall :brickwall But I do remember that when Bush recived the shovel pass, every UT fan I know (and I mean all of them) were scared to death he'd take it to the house.

Oh how I wish the pro VY hype and the anti Bush hype would die down some more.

bakerooskie
01-23-2006, 02:47 AM
[Edit--we need excerpts posted with links rather than entire articles with no links--thanks. Feel free to repost salient excerpts with a link if you want.]

bakerooskie
01-23-2006, 03:03 AM
Anyone care to do a report on Vince... I WAS'NT TRYING TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM VINCE... He is a great Quarterback, as well as an athlete, but Reggie Bush can energize an offense, and cut through a defense... Here are both players stat's... They are both remarkable...

__________________________________________________ _______________


Reggie Bush Season Stat's
2005-att.200 yrds.1740 avg.8.7 lng.76 td's.16


Vince Young Season Stat's

2005-comp.212 att.325 pct.65.2 yrds.3036 avg.9.3 td's.26 lng.75 int.10 rat.163.9
rushing:
2005-att.155 yrds.1050 avg.6.8 lng.80 td's12

LCOOL
01-23-2006, 05:43 AM
We are the Houston Texans.... If we draft Vince Young, we do not have to give up the rest of our draft. We will still have other picks. We've already got the #1 overall, we do not have to trade away our probowlers, and subsequent draft picks to get it.


If you don't think Vince Young is Talented...... you don't know what talent is.


Personally, I'd take a T.E. with my second pick, and do my best to get LeCharles Bently........ If that isn't enough to get Carr over the hump, Vince comes off the bench.
Agree with you with VY is talented
As so far as Kuniak goes we just have to wait and see what type of coachng staff he has, and his evaluations of the draft.

Txn_in_FL
01-23-2006, 08:27 AM
Ya know what? I've got an idea, let's just take Vince Young with every pick of the draft!!! Obviously he is worth it so what the hell.

Geez, I'll be glad when the draft is done. Has anyone actually gone through and seen how many Vince "QB Jesus" Young threads there are?

Kaiser Toro
01-23-2006, 08:33 AM
I love the David Carr haters. Any chance they get to bash Carr they take it. Like sharks when smell blood in the water.

I hate to point out to all who are bashing Carr thru Plummer, but didnt Plummer help his team to a division win and the AFC championship? Two years with Kubiak and Plummer has turned his career around.

Some would argue that it was simply a change of scenery that got Jake on the right path.

JDizzle
01-23-2006, 08:56 AM
First off, VY is a great QB not just athlete (it's ok to say an African American guy is a great QB without referring to him as just a great athlete). The same argument can be made that VY is too great of a player to pass up, and your last quote is more appropriate for VY. Everytime HE puts on a uniform things happen, like winning and pulling a National Championship out of his wazoo. Where was Bush when the game was on the line? Heck, where was Bush during a lot of the 4th QTR? I watching the game again on ESPN Classic and noticed him on the sideline during a lot of plays in the 4th QTR.

When people bring that up, why do they talk like it's a knock against Bush? If anything, it means Carroll made some poor coaching moves throughout the night leaving his star player out in some critical situations, EX: the failed 4th down late in the 4th quarter.

BigBull17
01-23-2006, 09:03 AM
Is there any way to bann new Bush/Young/Trade down threads? Really you cant open a thread with out seeing one...

Texans_Chick
01-23-2006, 09:08 AM
I'm willing to bet Kubiak's experience and qualifications played a more important role in his being hired than where he's from. And to try to relate McNair's statements about Kubiak's roots to VY being the number 1 pick is RIDICULOUS!

If you watch the press conference, he said that the hometown thing was a plus. He got the job because of his qualification but the hometown stuff was a plus.

What I thought was interesting about the press conference was the discussion about improving our offense.

SteelBlueToro
01-23-2006, 09:10 AM
Ya know what? I've got an idea, let's just take Vince Young with every pick of the draft!!! Obviously he is worth it so what the hell.

Geez, I'll be glad when the draft is done. Has anyone actually gone through and seen how many Vince "QB Jesus" Young threads there are?
You know, the Rockets may win the lottery and have the first pick in the NBA draft. I'm sure VY could do wonders for the team! :crazy:

infantrycak
01-23-2006, 09:17 AM
He got 75 yards on the ground, too. People are very selective with their sight as far as Young is concerned.

Yeah they are. VY has phenominal potential, but acting as if the Ohio St game proved he is a fantastic passer is a bit much. In addition to the game winning TD he tossed two picks which made the game winning TD necessary. As far as rushing that day, he actually had 20 attempts on the day, his 2nd highest total on the season (by 1 attempt). No need to re-write history, VY is still fantastic based on what really happened.

SteelBlueToro
01-23-2006, 09:17 AM
If you listen and here what the rest of us heard he said "IN THIS SITUATION".
I think they're grasping at every possible word, and rephrasing when they have to, to convince themselves that VY will be the first pick...

edo783
01-23-2006, 09:17 AM
It's interesting that all the VY deciples keep chanting the same things (Bush backers do to to a lesser extent) over and over again as though if they say it often enough and click their ruby slippers three times it will come true. The odds are though, and I think they realise it and thats why they are in chant/shout down mode, is that there is probably less than a 15% chance that VY will be in a Texans uniform.

SteelBlueToro
01-23-2006, 09:22 AM
***McClains article today***............."in this particular case".
Ugh... McClain. Could there be any bigger homer? He's infatuated with this "he's from Houston - so let's get him" bit. It's old and tried and he needs to go back to writing exclusively for the Titans.

Kaiser Toro
01-23-2006, 09:25 AM
"I think the hometown credentials, in this particular case, (are) an added plus for Gary," McNair said. "His family lives here, and his wife's family lives here. I think that had a lot to do with his desire to be with the Texans as opposed to some other team. He's been approached over the years by other teams, but I think this is where he wanted to be."

All this says to me is that Houston was part of why Kubiak made the decision to take the job. I do not see this being part a grander scheme of gentrification to bring only new blood that is from Houston for the staff and/or players.

LBC_Justin
01-23-2006, 12:10 PM
I just finished reading Bob McNair's press briefing about the hiring of Gary Kubiak! EXCELLENT hiring too, I'm very excited about that! Anyway, McNair repeatedly says that Kubiak's hometown roots were one of the MAJOR factors in the ultimate decision to offer Kubiak the job. He must say that at least 5 or 6 times.

Hmmmm, makes you think a little bit about how McNair would think about drafting hometown product Vince Young. I know Kubiak will have major pull with this pick, but McNair will ultimately have to sign off on the pick and if Houston roots are that important to him Vince might be his guy. Especially for a QB which is the face of your franchise! Plus you get Kubiak (Aggie) and VY (Longhorn) and you're covered!

And a side note. I'm thinking Denver getting waxed and Plummer having a horrible game might have Kubiak view Carr a little differently. Carr and Plummer have extremely similar styles and maybe Kubiak will now look at his last game with Plummer and realize he needs better than an average "game manager" QB!
I wonder if any of Kubiak's hood rat friends from will be hanging around and trying to ride his gravy train. I wonder if every second cousin, aunt, uncle, and all the boyz from the hood will be roll'n with Kubiak's posse when they cruise to da clubz. Maybe he can be featured on a Mike Jones track.

Vince Young needs to go somewhere far far away like Baltimore, Oakland, Cleveland, New York or Buffalo. Hate to say it but Tennesse would be probably be the best fit. Lots of money and being in his hometown could be a big problem for him.

DRAMA
01-23-2006, 02:10 PM
Look, most of us like Vince but the bleeding of Vince blood is just silly. Most of us who want Bush just because we feel he helps immediately. As for the people who use 1 game to define a player - stop - you're killing your case. You should be defending Vince without ever having to use that game against that USC 'defense.'

The Saints probably go Leinart. The Titans MAY go VY.

The Titans are said to pick Vince because Steve can 'groom' him for 2 years? Grooming is the most worthless word in sports. Nobody grooms anyone. Chandler never groomed McNair. Moon never groomed Carlson. Carr's NOT going to groom VY or anyone. Nalen is NOT going to come here so he can GROOM Drew H. Therefore, the Titans pick Vince if they think they want Vince. With Volek there, they have more holes than QB. They're not going to pick someone so he can be groomed.

The only grooming that's going to happen in Htown is Kubiak grooming Carr to become a better player, Reggie on learning to be a lightning-type slot wideout in addition to being a number 1 RB, and Andre on how to get freaking open downfield, and our line on how to actually pass protect.

Glacier
01-23-2006, 02:37 PM
Look, most of us like Vince but the bleeding of Vince blood is just silly. Most of us who want Bush just because we feel he helps immediately. As for the people who use 1 game to define a player - stop -


Those of you VY haters who keep saying he was a one game wonder....stop...you look clueless and uninformed. He did that
**** for 2 years.

chuckm
01-23-2006, 02:40 PM
I just finished reading Bob McNair's press briefing about the hiring of Gary Kubiak! EXCELLENT hiring too, I'm very excited about that! Anyway, McNair repeatedly says that Kubiak's hometown roots were one of the MAJOR factors in the ultimate decision to offer Kubiak the job. He must say that at least 5 or 6 times.


so why didn't McNair hire him 4 years ago? was Kubiak VERY excited about returning to his hometown whereas before he was only mildly excited?

Vinny
01-23-2006, 02:42 PM
so why didn't McNair hire him 4 years ago? was Kubiak VERY excited about returning to his hometown whereas before he was only mildly excited?I guess this would explain it better than I could...
(on the difference between this interview with Kubiak and the one five years ago) I think number one, he was so much better prepared. As you know, these interviews we conducted were quite extensive. They lasted quite a period of time. We had each of the coaches review with us some of our film and tell us about what they saw about our team. And then they reviewed some of their film, told us what they were doing with their team and changes that were made maybe during the game with the different defenses or offenses. So it really gave you a chance to see how they think. He was very impressive. He has a complete understanding of offense and in order to do that, you have to understand the defenses, too. He was very impressive in that regard. He was very confident, very self-assured. After we had visited before, my comment to him was he needed a little more experience. He said, You were right back then, but I can just tell you, Im ready now. And I felt that he is. http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2358

chuckm
01-23-2006, 02:45 PM
I guess this would explain it better than I could...
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2358


yea that's been reported for weeks and I agree completely ... the fact that McNair hired him because he's from Houston is, in my opinion, a s t r e t c h ... McNair's a self-made billionaire, he doesn't strike me as a man that makes decisions based upon emotion or sentimentality ...

Kaiser Toro
01-23-2006, 02:52 PM
yea that's been reported for weeks and I agree completely ... the fact that McNair hired him because he's from Houston is, in my opinion, a s t r e t c h ... McNair's a self-made billionaire, he doesn't strike me as a man that makes decisions based upon emotion or sentimentality ...

Agreed. Not to often does the right job fall to the right candidate in the right situation for both parties. This is a match made in Texan Heaven due to the variables falling in place - one of the top OC's in the game, Kubiak's roots and his wife's are in Houston, interviewed before and was more prepared, team has a "big" potential QB in house. The side story regarding the residual value of bringing on a native Texan or Aggie makes for good press not necessarily good business.

jerek
01-23-2006, 02:56 PM
Agreed. Not to often does the right job fall to the right candidate in the right situation for both parties. This is a match made in Texan Heaven due to the variables falling in place - one of the top OC's in the game, Kubiak's roots and his wife's are in Houston, interviewed before and was more prepared, team has a "big" potential QB in house. The side story regarding the residual value of bringing on a native Texan or Aggie makes for good press not necessarily good business.

Exactly. It is a side story. If we draft Vince Young, it will be because we feel he will do the most toward winning football games. Him being a hometown guy will be a side story, something for guys like Justice to get a couple of columns' worth out of before he has to get back to pretending he knows how to write about sports.

Hookem Horns
01-23-2006, 03:00 PM
Exactly. It is a side story. If we draft Vince Young, it will be because we feel he will do the most toward winning football games. Him being a hometown guy will be a side story, something for guys like Justice to get a couple of columns' worth out of before he has to get back to pretending he knows how to write about sports.

Exactly. The fact that VY will make the Texans more popular in state and would dramatically increase the demand for tickets should just be considered a side effect of making the right decision to "do the most for winning football games".

Kaiser Toro
01-23-2006, 03:12 PM
Exactly. The fact that VY will make the Texans more popular in state and would dramatically increase the demand for tickets should just be considered a side effect of making the right decision to "do the most for winning football games".

The only group demand will help is the ticket brokers. If you want to speak about licensing that is another topic.

Here is a bit dated link on the Biz of Football. As of 9/2005 we were the 5th most valuable team in the NFL accroding to Forbes from a balance sheet perspective.

http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/01/sports-football-gambling-cz_05nfland.html

Houston Texans valuation has shown a ~30% uptick sense 2003 - 794 mil to 946 mil.

DRAMA
01-23-2006, 03:32 PM
Those of you VY haters who keep saying he was a one game wonder....stop...you look clueless and uninformed. He did that
**** for 2 years.

Uhh...that was my point. Vince HAS been good for a while....using 1 game makes the VY lovers look less legit with their argument. Of course, everyone still kills us over Reggie having a 180-something yard game as being a disaster....Hmm.

Reading anything into McNair's comments are worthless. Everything's a spin right now. This has nothing to do with McNair's feelings about Vince or Reggie. The question is not about is he from Houston or not...it was just something people like him say in moments like this -

APPEASAL at all costs. Say what makes sense. Dumb people down. etc...

Glacier
01-23-2006, 03:34 PM
Reggie having a 180-something yard game as being a disaster....Hmm.


I'm guessing this is counting return yards on kick offs?

What did he do from scrimage?

chuckm
01-23-2006, 03:35 PM
I'm guessing this is counting return yards on kick offs?

What did he do from scrimage?



hey guess what? another Vince/Bush thread ...... congrats

Glacier
01-23-2006, 03:37 PM
hey guess what? another Vince/Bush thread ...... congrats


pffft, I'm one of the "Trade Down" people. Neither player can win in Houston now.

There are too many loyal to Carr. too many who don't give Dominack Davis enough love. Too many who want bush and too many who want Young. So now, with all the hype, some faction of the fans will feel sleighted.

O but while on the topic of "total yards" doesn't Houston have a pretty good kick returner already? Mr. Bush probably wouldn't be returning kicks.

DRAMA
01-23-2006, 03:45 PM
I'm guessing this is counting return yards on kick offs?

What did he do from scrimage?

177...thought it was 187.

Glacier
01-23-2006, 03:51 PM
177...thought it was 187.


ahh, i thought that included return yards for punts and kick offs. nope, not a bad game at all.

DRAMA
01-23-2006, 03:55 PM
I think I'm going to feel like Boston Red Sox fans come May 1st. All the hype of leading up to the 'big day' and then the next day, I'll be like, "uhh...ok'

Of course, the great argument of who ranks higher in MADDEN 07 will begin!!

:)

chall8
01-23-2006, 05:27 PM
I think it says a lot about Bush when USC doesn't even have him on the FIELD with the national championship on the line, and instead opts to give it to the "other" running back.

I think it says a lot about Bush when a fast college-level defense was able to completely shut down his outside game (his bread and butter), and when said defense doesn't even come close to the speed of defenses in the NFL.

Most importantly, I think it says a lot about the Texans when we ALREADY have a stable of running backs that have produced very well, despite a mediocre OL.

Bush is a talented running back, but there's no reason for this team to burn a #1 pick on a running back that only touches the ball 15 times a game and who can't be relied upon to get the tough yards.

Glacier
01-23-2006, 06:35 PM
Anyone care to do a report on Vince... I WAS'NT TRYING TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM VINCE... He is a great Quarterback, as well as an athlete, but Reggie Bush can energize an offense, and cut through a defense... Here are both players stat's... They are both remarkable...



Yes all true....but Vince is a leader of men who beat down the "energized offense and over came the defense being cut through"

At the end of the day, when all is said and done, Reggie Bush will not handle the ball on EVERY snap - Vince Young will as will Leinhart....

Unless you watched Vince often, you just can't understand the intangibles that he brings to a team. He elevates EVERYONE's game around him. He makes men believe. He distributes the ball well. He is just one of those very rare Joranesque players. That is not to say that Bush is not an amazing physical specimen of a runner...he is no Jordan on the football field though.

Think back to when Jordan played. You could almost FEEL him willing his team to greatness through the TV. I haven't felt that since Montana on the field. Vince gives the same vibe. you just can't believe you are going to lose so long as he is the field general.

Whatever direction Houston goes, Vince, Leinhart or Bush, there is no question the team will be drafting a starter. Even trading down to 5-7 is a good move because this draft is DEEP 5-7 players, who will contribute and be difference makers.

I'll say it again...it is a VERY good time to be interested in the Texans.

Erratic Assassin
01-23-2006, 06:55 PM
McNair repeatedly says that Kubiak's hometown roots were one of the MAJOR factors in the ultimate decision to offer Kubiak the job. He must say that at least 5 or 6 times.

I saw that too. That's a stupid reason to hire a guy. Kubiak's hometown roots shouldn't have affected McNair's decision whatsoever.

The chance to come home should make things sweeter for Kubiak, but I don't see how it makes a hill of beans to Bob McNair.

Bob McNair seemed confused. He didn't mention Kubiak's stint with the San Francisco 49ers and he seemed kind of fuzzy on some of the other details of Kubiak's background.

kbourda
01-23-2006, 07:22 PM
I saw that too. That's a stupid reason to hire a guy. Kubiak's hometown roots shouldn't have affected McNair's decision whatsoever.

The chance to come home should make things sweeter for Kubiak, but I don't see how it makes a hill of beans to Bob McNair.

Bob McNair seemed confused. He didn't mention Kubiak's stint with the San Francisco 49ers and he seemed kind of fuzzy on some of the other details of Kubiak's background.

I think he's opening himself up to a bunch to criticism by harping on the "local" ties. As much as i'd like for them to draft VY, do it because he's worthy of the #1 pick. Not just because he's a houstonian.

dat_boy_yec
01-23-2006, 09:15 PM
Was I listening to the wrong press conference because I could have sworn McNair said Kubiak being from Houston was a plus. Not we hired him because he is from here. He went on about Kubiak's track record with Denver his work with the QB's his fit with the Texans and basically said all the right things. Then he addressed the bonus that was the fact that Kubiak was from Houston and his family was here and so on and so forth.

LBC_Justin
01-23-2006, 09:37 PM
I think it says a lot about Bush when USC doesn't even have him on the FIELD with the national championship on the line, and instead opts to give it to the "other" running back.
First off. The media was ready to string up Pete Carol for that coaching blunder. It was a mistake of the coach not a reflection of Bush's skills. Also they have a First round, big short yardage back, who in this game had been able to get the short yardage easily earlier in the game.


I think it says a lot about Bush when a fast college-level defense was able to completely shut down his outside game (his bread and butter), and when said defense doesn't even come close to the speed of defenses in the NFL. Bush was hardly shut down. He broke several decent sized runs, including one to the outside for a key touchdown. Plus he ran right over on of Texans top ranked defenders. Lets not foget what he did to the other defenses he faced.


Most importantly, I think it says a lot about the Texans when we ALREADY have a stable of running backs that have produced very well, despite a mediocre OL. Our O-line is very good at run blocking and is Horrible at Pass blocking. All of our running backs are average at best, including DD.


Bush is a talented running back, but there's no reason for this team to burn a #1 pick on a running back that only touches the ball 15 times a game and who can't be relied upon to get the tough yards.Young is the highest risk pick. Yes he probably has the highest upside, but he is certainly the highest risk pick.

Becareful what you wish for. We might have Reggie Bush killing us twice a year.

LoneStarState
01-23-2006, 09:51 PM
Exactly. The fact that VY will make the Texans more popular in state and would dramatically increase the demand for tickets should just be considered a side effect of making the right decision to "do the most for winning football games".
More popular until the Texans go 2-14 again, he gets sacked a million times, throws 5 interceptions a game, etc., then all the fairweather fans will pack up their orange foam fingers and walk away... in droves.

Making the team popular in Texas is not what is important. WINNING GAMES is what will make the team popular in the long run...

And to no one's surprise it was John "VY's Homer" McClain who asked the "local roots" question. He really needs to come up with some new questions. How about "Was Gary Kubiak the most qualified and experienced applicant?" McClain is a loser.