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aj.
01-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Thought I'd start one for people who want to log observations on the game. Starting now on the deuce.
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Granted, this is Day 2 NFL draft talent but there's some good talent out there.

Well, the West defense sux...

...no wonder -- it's Coach Fran

Mario Williams
01-21-2006, 03:14 PM
What channel?

aj.
01-21-2006, 03:15 PM
ESPN 2, aka 'the deuce.'

Reggie McNeal starting for the West.

Big Auburn TE Cooper Wallace - nice catch and long run early

BeerFan
01-21-2006, 03:39 PM
do you know of anywhere i can get a box score or game updates on the web?

hows McNeal doing?

T_Guru
01-21-2006, 03:52 PM
do you know of anywhere i can get a box score or game updates on the web?

hows McNeal doing?

Very strong game so far...even though he was lucky his touchdown didn't go the other way. Made a lot of plays with his feet, of course.

mexican_texan
01-21-2006, 03:53 PM
do you know of anywhere i can get a box score or game updates on the web?

hows McNeal doing?
threw for a touchdown and i stopped watching. He could be a Day 1 WR, but would not be too high on draft boards as a QB.

aj.
01-21-2006, 04:01 PM
Kind of a sloppy game as you might expect. No defense to speak of. I think this is one of those games where they limit what you can do on D.

Torry Henderson from Tech is playing well

David Thomas from UT on the TD grab from Drew Olson. He hasn't cooled down a bit.

Interesting discussion about the NFL ball vs, the college ball - NFL ball being slightly longer and narrower -- in the context of why Olson couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until that TD

BeerFan
01-21-2006, 04:03 PM
i see McNeal as a player who can eventually play quarterback in this league, i really do. give him two years and a chance to compete for a job.

travfrancis
01-21-2006, 04:03 PM
TD David Thomas

mexican_texan
01-21-2006, 04:06 PM
what happened to drew olson? I thought he was considered a first rounder, but now he's a day two pick?

swtbound07
01-21-2006, 04:06 PM
commentators said thomas projects into the nfl as an h-back?

mexican_texan
01-21-2006, 04:07 PM
commentators said thomas projects into the nfl as an h-back?
maybe like Minny's Jim 'Joe Millionaire' Kleinsasser

aj.
01-21-2006, 04:09 PM
Leon Washington - speed to burn ...listed at 5'9" 205

Greg Jennings WR, Western Mich. great leaping catch over the defender. He looked a lot taller than 5'11" on that play

I see what's going on with the defense now. They just showed the rules, No blitzes or stunts, man-free or 3 deep zone only, and the 5 yard chuck rule which none of these guys are used to...

Anyone heard of Marques Colston before that TD? I didn't think so.

I keep waiting for Dwayne Slay to slay someone but I haven't seen him...

dtran04
01-21-2006, 04:30 PM
The RB got down before Slay was gonna lay him out. Smart RB. heh

Peldon
01-21-2006, 04:32 PM
The RB got down before Slay was gonna lay him out. Smart RB. heh

Lol, as soon as he caught that screen and started running I told my friend Slay was gonna kill him.

BradK10
01-21-2006, 04:45 PM
Tommy Jackson from Auburn is impressive at DT

Henderson looks STRONG...so much for questions about him operating in a convential offense.

Tim Day looks like a strong TE, but I hear nagging injuries are a concern for him.

aj.
01-21-2006, 04:45 PM
McShay's mock has Cutler going to Detroit. Interesting.

BradK10
01-21-2006, 04:50 PM
Be a good fit...scary actually, a good QB with those WRs.

Cutler is a badass

aj.
01-21-2006, 05:00 PM
Nice lock-on by Pinegar. Must be something in the water in Fresno.

Vickiel Vaughn S Arkansas, made his presence known on a big time sideline hit.

BradK10
01-21-2006, 05:07 PM
Nice lock-on by Pinegar. Must be something in the water in Fresno.

jeezus, can't avoid Texans hating anywhere on this board.

aj.
01-21-2006, 05:08 PM
It was humor.... Have a Shiner Bock or two like I'm doing. They do sell it there, right?

BradK10
01-21-2006, 05:15 PM
oh hell yes they do, helps me keep my sanity here :)

Jeez Pinnegar is bad.

edit: aj why'd you take out the shiner comment?

aj.
01-21-2006, 05:22 PM
I'm sitting out on my back patio with this old pos toshiba with the sticky keyboard watching the game and sometimes for no apparent reason I lose entire chunks of text and have to retype. I edited a misspell and apparently I lost a bunch of other text with it. Time to upgrade. I added back-in the essence of the Shiner comment. Time to go grab another for the 4th quarter ....

Kevin Boothe from Cornell is a load at G. Must be smart like Seth Payne.

travfrancis
01-21-2006, 05:24 PM
i think leon washington has potential here in the kubiak zone blocking scheme....

Wolf
01-21-2006, 05:29 PM
I'm sitting out on my back patio with this old pos toshiba with the sticky keyboard watching the game and sometimes for no apparent reason I lose entire chunks of text and have to retype. I edited a misspell and apparently I lost a bunch of other text with it. Time to upgrade. I added back-in the essence of the Shiner comment. Time to go grab another for the 4th quarter ....

Kevin Boothe from Cornell is a load at G. Must be smart like Seth Payne.

upgrade? Shiner Bock to Shiner Blonde? :heh:

aj.
01-21-2006, 05:47 PM
Washington is really short. He's lucky if he's 5'9"

Stupid announcer comment of the day: Gradkowski has the leadership skills of Unitas.

Slay is finally getting some love from the broadcast team

Really small crowd the way it looks. No one in the upper deck

Kaiser Toro
01-21-2006, 05:52 PM
I'm sitting out on my back patio with this old pos toshiba with the sticky keyboard watching the game and sometimes for no apparent reason I lose entire chunks of text and have to retype. I edited a misspell and apparently I lost a bunch of other text with it. Time to upgrade. I added back-in the essence of the Shiner comment. Time to go grab another for the 4th quarter ....

Kevin Boothe from Cornell is a load at G. Must be smart like Seth Payne.

I have not drank Shiner in sometime, but three hours ago I went to Whole Foods to buy a pork shoulder and picked up a six pack. I am on number four. Pouring them into the little Shiner Bock glasses.

This game stinks even with Shiner goggles on.

BradK10
01-21-2006, 05:59 PM
Shiner Blonde is pisswater

aj.
01-21-2006, 06:00 PM
This game stinks even with Shiner goggles on.


Yes it does.....

I remember when the old original Shiner was down there with Pearl and Texas Pride and now it's an export. What a deal...

keyfro
01-21-2006, 06:02 PM
eric henderson looks like a underrated DE right now...looks great...maybe we'll see him in steel blue soon...hoping...taurean henderson can run between the tackles tech offense just never let him...ej whitley is actually playing guard in this game he was our LT this past season...interesting...and of course dwayne slay...before this game scouts were saying 5th round i gotta believe he's improved that...this brock kid linebacker for the west number 59 looks impressive...texas southern...reciever jennings reminds me a lot of donald driver...colstran looks like a slower version on plexico burriss to me

aj.
01-21-2006, 06:03 PM
Gradkowski reminds me of the hothead who slides headfirst into home plate during a mixed league softball game. Or at the company picnic.

Reggie McNeal is having some fun now....

keyfro
01-21-2006, 06:04 PM
PS. mike hass looks like joe jurevious to me...a little shorter but still has those abilities to make things happen...great reciever

BradK10
01-21-2006, 06:07 PM
hass is 10 times the WR Jurevicious is

Peldon
01-21-2006, 06:14 PM
Anyone to look for in the hula bowl?

aj.
01-21-2006, 06:15 PM
What the hell kind of call was that? (the last play at the goal line)

It seems like ESPN was telling them to hurry up so they could switch to the Hula


Hey, why not keep this going?

Brad Smith has always been fun to watch

Kaiser Toro
01-21-2006, 06:18 PM
hass is 10 times the WR Jurevicious is

I like Hass. Interested to see where people think he would be a value pick in the draft.

BradK10
01-21-2006, 06:19 PM
holy crap, the stands look like the crowds at a Alief ISD football game

aj.
01-21-2006, 06:19 PM
Are there 1000 people there maybe?

keyfro
01-21-2006, 06:20 PM
i think he is supposed to be like a 4th or a 5th rounder might improve if he runs good at the combine

Kaiser Toro
01-21-2006, 06:20 PM
Surf? Hula Bowl? Surf? Hula Bowl? The locals have spoken in a resounding way.

GLM
01-21-2006, 06:42 PM
Surf? Hula Bowl? Surf? Hula Bowl? The locals have spoken in a resounding way.

I thought about going, but none of my friends wanted to go and I'm sick and have a test on Monday so I decided not to go.

aj.
01-21-2006, 06:49 PM
Nice to see Barrick Nealy getting a shot...

keyfro
01-21-2006, 06:59 PM
as anyone seen brandon marshall this season...this 6'6'' receiver looks really good...this guy will be a redzone nightmare for opposing defenses

beerlover
01-21-2006, 11:09 PM
just broke free from a hostage situation, but I did sleep @ a Holiday Inn last night :spy:

I'll tell you what its all good as long as its beer :party: (Shiner comments not withstanding)

what a great game....seriously, very entertaining & alot of future NFL talent. McNeil had a great game, he has a stronger arm than he is given credit for, what concerns me about him is his strength and susceptibility to injury. He would be a good late rd. draft pick to develop and condition to get stronger and recognize coverage & he will need protection. bottom line I like this kids game, realize talent and be willing to select him in the 5th rd.

Mike Haas, WR Oregon State. would be a great #2. can adjust to the ball & creates seperation. has possibly the surest hands of all the receivers in the draft, probably late 2nd to early third. would the Texans take a chance?

OR

Marques Colston, WR Hofstra- http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/Football/ath_fb_gameresult.cfm?gameID=E07D5026-65B3-F1F2-67C86575BF964E82 played a great game & could be a terrific NFL WR (Colston had five catches for 82 yards and his 6-foot-5 frame caused headaches for defensive backs. "I'm 6-5 for a reason. I just went up and got it," the Division I-AA receiver said. "I think I came out here and put on a pretty good showing.")

Dwayne Slay SS is a headhunter plain and simple his effectiveness depends upon his getting into the heads of the receivers because he backpedals too much then reacts, I would like to see more man to man coverage skills besides the espn highlight reel. very physical emtional player.

Joe Toledo OT (Washington Huskies) good in pass protection, late rd potential @ 6'6" 290 he could be another Khalif Barnes, very impressed.

sleeper pick- Rob Sims OG Ohio State appeared to me at least to be the protypical NFL road gradder massive frame for a Guard @ 6040 320lbs played the LG position and was the reason Howard scored three tds (reg. season had two all year) man I really liked this kids style, not as athletic as Davin Joseph but a solid 3rd pick for the Texans. bio- http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sims_rob00.html

travfrancis
01-21-2006, 11:18 PM
beerlover, i really like mike haas also, definitely the best hands in the draft, great route runner, good blocker, and a hard-nosed player

i think he should get a look with one of our 3rd round picks if he is still available.

YoungTexanFan
01-21-2006, 11:35 PM
Dwayne Slay SS is a headhunter plain and simple his effectiveness depends upon his getting into the heads of the receivers because he backpedals too much then reacts, I would like to see more man to man coverage skills besides the espn highlight reel. very physical emtional player.


YEAH!!!

Everyone is getting on Slays wagon!! We need a defensive headhunter. Would you cross the middle of the field? How about for a Klondike bar?

threetoedpete
01-22-2006, 01:38 AM
i see McNeal as a player who can eventually play quarterback in this league, i really do. give him two years and a chance to compete for a job.
Aggreed. I still believe he is not a day one QB. But he will make a team this summer. I said in an eariler post that he would not make it, but he looked very good today.

Coach C.
01-22-2006, 07:47 AM
Slay- the guy can hit we all know that, but he showed that in coverage he really is below-average. I see him as a 4th rounder or low 3rd. He is going to have to gain a little weight and move to SS.

Rocky McIntosh- Damn this kid looked great, fast, strong, shedding blocks, and showing his hands. The kid is likely in the same rounds as Slay, but he would be the best pick for us if he is around in the 4th. He is a poor-man's Vilma very similar to Will Witherspoon

Reggie McNeal- If he was willing to switch to WR that would be great, other than that he is not much better than Seneca Wallace other than he has size. He should switch and become an Antwaan Randle El clone.

aj.
01-22-2006, 08:12 AM
I don't know a lot about Hass. I recall hearing the analyst saying he didn't have great speed but he has everything else.

He had only 2 games this year where he didn't have 100 yards receiving.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133965

If Gaffney isn't re-signed, the Texans are in a world o' hurt at WR, although Armstrong could thrive in this new system and be the Gaffney replacement unit. Hass as a third rounder sounds reasonable -- several of the current draft rankings (gbn, nfldraft scout.com, draft countdown, etc,) have him as the #10 or so WR in this draft so that could put him anywhere from late second on...

beerlover
01-22-2006, 08:47 AM
there must be a reason he is so productive, even without measureables like speed & strength with so much competition at WR. sure I've seen a bunch of guys with more talent but very few if any that were more productive & you gotta remember the Beavers had a below average team this year (through no fault of Mike Haas). despite his productivity he will need a strong combine & show that one of the reasons is he does have deceptive speed, 4.5 good route cuts/routes, shuttle times, is stronger than he appears, 13-15 reps & smart, Wonderlick score post 40. http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

Coach C.
01-22-2006, 09:14 AM
Mike Haas is a guy like Ricky Proehl or Wayne Chrebet. He is that guy that you put in the slot and he just makes the catches. He isnt going to put up huge numbers, but whoever gets him gets that third down target who will consistently make the big catch for a QB. He is likely to be a second day pick because of his lack of measurables.

YoungTexanFan
01-22-2006, 09:28 AM
Slay- the guy can hit we all know that, but he showed that in coverage he really is below-average. I see him as a 4th rounder or low 3rd. He is going to have to gain a little weight and move to SS.


Slay looks the part of an NFL LB already. He does not really need to gain weight, but he does need to play SS. He is not someone I want at FS.



Rocky McIntosh- Damn this kid looked great, fast, strong, shedding blocks, and showing his hands. The kid is likely in the same rounds as Slay, but he would be the best pick for us if he is around in the 4th. He is a poor-man's Vilma very similar to Will Witherspoon



I have been trying to find out more information about him for a while, but cannot seem to find it. Game footage and a report would help. I've only seen him in a few games this year, but did not think to tape them. I think he could be a great mid round solution to our need at MLB.

BradK10
01-22-2006, 10:39 AM
Mike Hass is a guy I'd DEFINITELY want on my roster. Whoever said Ricky Proehl clone is right. Except I was thinkin more like Eddie McCaffery

Kaiser Toro
01-22-2006, 11:01 AM
Slay- the guy can hit we all know that, but he showed that in coverage he really is below-average. I see him as a 4th rounder or low 3rd. He is going to have to gain a little weight and move to SS.

I totally concur with this eval. I saw a body that many WR's, TE's RB's in the NFL would love to drop their shoulder into. He needs to bulk up.

The Preacher
01-22-2006, 12:48 PM
I thought Jennings from W. Michigan was as impressive as Hass. He did a great job of getting one deep ball and showed he knows how to adjust his body well to the ball and simply make a play on it. Looks to be a good route runner and a guy who is dependable. A possible Derrick Mason clone from the same state he would make for a great second day pick if available.

I'm sticking with Cooper Wallace as my 5th round choice and TE sleeper to be a solid pro. Might not have top end speed but possesses all the intangibles. Smart kid with great character who has won at every level.

I thought Jason Hall from the Vols and Wyche from Syracuse looked strong. UT Rocky Top might have had the best defensive line in the country and I believe they are all grossly undervalued and will all have serious impacts in the pros(Mahelona,Haralson,Hall).

C Madd
01-22-2006, 07:04 PM
I got to go to this game. All in all a great game. Someone I was very impressed by was Marques Colston. I had never heard of him before the game, but the man made some very impressive catches and is huge...around 6'4 I believe.
Hass didn't disappoint. Runs good routes and scored the game winning td (also had one of the funniest end zone celebrations I've seen...not that it matters but still). Also, Sims was massive and bullied people everywhere.
I was very disappointed in Drew Olsen's play. He just looked horrible out there, fumbling a snap, horribly overthrowing receivers, and falling once while handing the ball off.
Colston definitely wouldn't be a bad pick up, though, in the later rounds. I don't believe he'll stick around late enough to where Houston can take a chance on him though.

bdiddy
01-22-2006, 07:58 PM
I currently live in San Antonio. Casserly was on the radio this week stating the David Thomas was a very "interesting prospect." He compared him to Putzier (TE) in the Broncos system, very good athlete and receiver.

Thomas was on the radio as well later in the week and said that he met with Texans officials, as well as several other teams (players were allowed to interview with teams). He said he is being projected to go anywhere from the 2nd-5th round, with him likely going in 3rd or 4th.

TigerBait
01-22-2006, 08:36 PM
I was watching Andrew Whitworth personally. Im a LSU fan and really wish him success. Everyplay that I saw he held his own in the 1 on 1 and gave his QB plenty of time. I would say the Texans should draft him in the 3rd to perhaos play some RT but I might get called a LSU homer. :stirpot:

WILLIEG
01-22-2006, 10:21 PM
I was watching the East-West game the other day and saw some pretty good players and then the other game that came on after it in Hawaii and a really good DB that stood out to me was Sway from Texas Tech (6"3", 210) and man can that kid not only ring your bell but can fly to the ball like a hawk. Just something to talk about to break up all the VY & RB talk that seems to be repetitious.

ArlingtonTexan
01-22-2006, 10:24 PM
some watched and commented live...here ya go.

LORK 88
01-22-2006, 10:25 PM
I go to Texas Tech and saw him every home game in person and then on TV for away games. My prognosis:

Pros:HUGE hitter, a deadly tackler, great size, very athletic, can make plays, forces A LOT of fumbles, amazing in run support

Cons:Will miss tackles going for the big hit, not very fast, needs to work on his coverage skills, inexperienced, only started 1 year

The Preacher
01-23-2006, 10:50 AM
I was watching Andrew Whitworth personally. Im a LSU fan and really wish him success. Everyplay that I saw he held his own in the 1 on 1 and gave his QB plenty of time. I would say the Texans should draft him in the 3rd to perhaos play some RT but I might get called a LSU homer. :stirpot:

Yeah I'm sure I'm the Vol/SEC homer but who cares as long as you assess things objectively. The SEC was greatly overlooked this year and I believe a lot of sleepers will come out of this conference because all they do is beat up on each other. I've enjoyed watching Kyle Williams but we already have a bunch of 4-3 DT's. LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, and Alabama all have defensive players coming out that will drop IMO simply because they are not high profile and have zero hype.