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Tex-fan0604
01-20-2006, 01:57 PM
Im tired of people saying that basically anybody is better than DC,but what I really want to know is who is most likely going to be the Texans QB next season based on all we know about the Texans Organization and where they are heading with their decisions.

Grid
01-20-2006, 02:04 PM
the quick and easy answer is David Carr. All signs point to him returning for 3 more years.. at this point.

rmartin65
01-20-2006, 02:06 PM
Carr, I hope.

Double Barrel
01-20-2006, 02:07 PM
DC will be our QB in 2006. I know about as much as the rest of you, but all signs clearly indicate that the Texans will keep him and Kubiak will work with him. Hopefully, Carr will realize his potential, because otherwise he's a goner.

Texan Asylum
01-20-2006, 02:10 PM
I believe it's a no-brainer. Carr will be our QB. The VY passion, although understandable, is merely a local fad for a local guy that is truly qualified to a QB for someone but not warranted for this team at this time. If the new system installed does not produce the expected results, then a QB change would almost be a certainty in the long run. You don't tear down the whole house just to remodel. In my most humbled opinion.

swtbound07
01-20-2006, 02:12 PM
I believe it's a no-brainer. Carr will be our QB. The VY passion, although understandable, is merely a local fad for a local guy that is truly qualified to a QB for someone but not warranted for this team at this time. If the new system installed does not produce the expected results, then a QB change would almost be a certainty in the long run. You don't tear down the whole house just to remodel. In my most humbled opinion.

what about the people that think he is the best fit, but happen to also hate UT, and most things burnt orange? What about us texans fans that are currently residing in florida? Can our opinions be discounted as homerism? There is a lot more to the Vince Young debate than homerism, as the 400000000000 threads on the subject will show.

Khari
01-20-2006, 02:13 PM
I hope it's David :muscles:

Texan Asylum
01-20-2006, 02:19 PM
I'm a homer if you call being a native born and raised Houstonian. I like anything Houston or Texan. Do I like the idea of a local being on MY team...sure I do. Do I abandon players I've supported since the first time they came together...NO...not without due cause, and the one varible in this whole deal is the poor quality of coaching that can't be discounted. For myself and many others, THAT varible has got to be eliminated before that call is warrented. IN MY MOST HUMBLED OPINION. Yours being respected as well fellow Texan Fan.:)

cuppacoffee
01-20-2006, 02:25 PM
Im tired of people saying that basically anybody is better than DC,but what I really want to know is who is most likely going to be the Texans QB next season based on all we know about the Texans Organization and where they are heading with their decisions.

Maybe Charlie can finagle a way to get Brady Quinn next year to groom behind Carr. :yahoo:
Horns fans aren't the only homers around here...:D


:coffee:

daveebarb
01-20-2006, 02:26 PM
i want to DC under a good coach offense. Palmer and DOM c offense suck

Texan Asylum
01-20-2006, 02:29 PM
While we talking, how bout getting Mike Sherman as our OC and maybe he'll bring Favre over for one last year to groom Carr like he shoulda been groomed at the beginning...just fantasy on my part, being a Favre fan as well.:redtowel:

Tex-fan0604
01-20-2006, 02:38 PM
While we talking, how bout getting Mike Sherman as our OC and maybe he'll bring Favre over for one last year to groom Carr like he shoulda been groomed at the beginning...just fantasy on my part, being a Favre fan as well.:redtowel:


i actually think that would be a good idea.i think he (dc) can learn a lot from bret.by bringing bret it will also help us evaluate our offense specially our wr's

Nighthawk
01-20-2006, 02:38 PM
My guess is that the dreaded David Carr, The Clumsy Quarterback, will be back, and next year at this time all the fanboys on this board will be saying "Let's give him another year because -- " followed by more pitiable goop about everyone but Carr being to blame for his poor performance.

Dennis007
01-20-2006, 02:40 PM
My guess is that the dreaded David Carr, The Clumsy Quarterback, will be back, and next year at this time all the fanboys on this board will be saying "Let's give him another year because -- " followed by more pitiable goop about everyone but Carr being to blame for his poor performance.

Here Here!:redtowel: :yahoo: :redtowel::stirpot:

awtysst
01-20-2006, 02:41 PM
Im tired of people saying that basically anybody is better than DC,but what I really want to know is who is most likely going to be the Texans QB next season based on all we know about the Texans Organization and where they are heading with their decisions.

The entire Texans Fans Contingent of Chicago believe that DC will be the Qb of 2006. We held our first meeting last night and came to a unanimous decision. Although when only one person is there, I suppose that makes it easier...

Texan Asylum
01-20-2006, 02:43 PM
It'd be the perfect move for Favre cause for what I understand, Favre is an outdoorsman who enjoys deer hunting and with all them Texas bucks down there he'd have something to do on his off-time. Now if he wants BIG DEER, then he's gotta come up to Kansas where I can show him MONSTER BUCKS. Seen a real nice 10 or 12 pointer last night on my way home...SWEET!:redtowel:

MightyTExan
01-20-2006, 02:47 PM
I don't understand all of this talk about picking up his option. Don't most other QB's at this stage get a fat contract?(Carlson Palmer).If he only gets the 8 mil, isn't that a sign that he will be gone after the season?

Tex-fan0604
01-20-2006, 02:53 PM
I don't understand all of this talk about picking up his option. Don't most other QB's at this stage get a fat contract?(Carlson Palmer).If he only gets the 8 mil, isn't that a sign that he will be gone after the season?

they want to see if dc can prove himself before they invest more money on him.if he doesnt prove himself this year then that proves that all the dc haters were right about him and that it wasnt the rest of the offenses fault but dc only

LCOOL
01-20-2006, 02:56 PM
they want to see if dc can prove himself before they invest more money on him.if he doesnt prove himself this year then that proves that all the dc haters were right about him and that it wasnt the rest of the offenses fault but dc only
DC, but Casserly said in the chronicle today, that VY is a great leader and competive, and that he will speak to him, so who knows, lets just bring bakc Warren Moon!

Tex-fan0604
01-20-2006, 03:03 PM
lol

swtbound07
01-20-2006, 03:04 PM
anybody else think we should release carr as an UFA and sign him for less? he hasnt performed 8 million worth in my opinion.

Hardcore Texan
01-20-2006, 03:13 PM
I hope it is Carr, and I hope he proves the haters wrong. I just think he deserves to have a decent line in front of him and to be sacked less than 40 times before his whole career is pre-evaluated again.

TexanSam
01-20-2006, 03:19 PM
I think Carr will be our QB still. We have more pressing needs than QB.

Dennis007
01-20-2006, 03:20 PM
I think Carr will be our QB still. We have more pressing needs than QB.

Unless you think that Carr is part of the pressing issues.:challenge

MightyTExan
01-20-2006, 03:30 PM
It's weird to image the team without Carr, AJ, DD, D-rob. But ten years from now it will be a whole new team with new faces. Very interesting to see a franchise from the beginning. Another side note, even if Carr were to win a Superbowl, he'll always be remembered as the QB that was sacked the most in the history of the NFL.

Texan Asylum
01-20-2006, 03:48 PM
It was hard to imagine the Texans without Miller, Sharper and others. Things do change, hopefully for the better.

Meloy
01-20-2006, 04:16 PM
My guess is that the dreaded David Carr, The Clumsy Quarterback, will be back, and next year at this time all the fanboys on this board will be saying "Let's give him another year because -- " followed by more pitiable goop about everyone but Carr being to blame for his poor performance.

See Nighthawk, I think you are just the person that this post is about. I read most responses to all threads and MOST Carr fans admit he has made mistakes. Usually most point out that all the problems are not David's but can be his, the scheme, the line, the drops by recievers, etc. You offer nothing to support your position that he is clumsy or why he is "dreaded" by others or even by you. You seem to be caught up in the 14 losses rather than an accurate description of the problem. I respect you as a person and would have respected your opinion if you offered anything to back it up rather than name calling.

Meloy
01-20-2006, 04:19 PM
anybody else think we should release carr as an UFA and sign him for less? he hasnt performed 8 million worth in my opinion.

John McClain of the Chronicle has offered his opinion that if released, Carr would have at least 5- 8 teams willing to sign him. Why would he resign with Texans?

Long Baller
01-20-2006, 04:21 PM
I just heard a rumor he was going to be traded to CBS for Marino...

rmartin65
01-20-2006, 04:25 PM
I will laugh like crazy if Carr does well, especially after how the UT fans think he sucks and how VY is the answer.

thunderkyss
01-20-2006, 04:56 PM
Im tired of people saying that basically anybody is better than DC,but what I really want to know is who is most likely going to be the Texans QB next season based on all we know about the Texans Organization and where they are heading with their decisions.


I don't think any quarterback is better than David Carr. But for the past Four years, Any of your mobile playmaking winning Quarterbacks would have helped us to better seasons than we've had in the past. After last season, I had high hopes for the Texans. Like many of you, I was thinking a winning season at the least, and a playoff spot as a best case scenario.

Vince, is amazing. If my team were not in the playoffs this year, I'd be drooling for Vince. I've been watching him all year(mainly because Jamaal Charles is from Port Arthur Texas) and the guy amazes me. When I see him play, I keep saying that is the guy everybody wants Michael Vick to be. & I've never been a Vick Fan, I understand the fascination, to want to watch him play. But I don't understand wanting him on your team. It amazed me, how succesful he has been in the NFL, and I still think it was stupid for Atlanta to pay him sooooo much, when he has a hard time staying healthy.

Now this team has done very little right in the way of picking players. Count the number of players that have come and gone, and out of those... we have IMHO 3 bonafide starters. & I'm not counting the QB. So with that history in mind, what are the chances that the very first player we ever picked was the right choice?? Pretty slim really. Especially considering the probability of failure of Quarterbacks at the NFL level. During the season, and for every season prior to, and every season after, I will be rooting for our QB, but now we have an opportunity, I think to upgrade......... and if Reggie is selected out of this draft, I will be hoping to eat my words., because I do not see the upside of this move. We've got a solid RunningBack core.... and a head coach who can make me look like Terrell Davis. Why do we need a RB that is not a RB??

But we are at a point, in our history, where there are some decisions to be made. David's contract is gone..... over, done with. He can leave, and go to any team that will have him, unless we are willing to pay him between $5-$8million to stay. We have to ask ourselves, if it is worth it to keep him on this team, based on what we've seen, and how we think that will project into the upcoming seasons.

There is a new QB prospect available to us....... many believe he possess many of the traits we think are missing in David Carr. While we will most likely not be playing for a playoff spot in the upcoming season, if we take select and start this prospect, many don't believe Carr would get us to the playoffs any sooner. And the case for this argument can be built just as easily as the other.

We're getting a new Head Coach, a new offensive paradigm, a new defensive scheme.... The only thing we will carry over from last season are some very ugly contracts, and a handful of talent. We may be 2-3 years away from the playoffs anyway, from those changes alone.

I will be upset, if we draft Bush, but come preseason, I'll be over it.

thunderkyss
01-20-2006, 05:03 PM
John McClain of the Chronicle has offered his opinion that if released, Carr would have at least 5- 8 teams willing to sign him. Why would he resign with Texans?

Heck I'm willing to resign him... but not for $8million plus his sallary. I'll give him his salary plus a $2million signing bonus, and a $4million bonus if we get to the playoffs this year with him as our starting Quarterback.

nunusguy
01-20-2006, 05:21 PM
Carr + (Reggie or picks for trading #1) > VY
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SESupergenius
01-20-2006, 06:36 PM
anybody else think we should release carr as an UFA and sign him for less? he hasnt performed 8 million worth in my opinion.
There isn't a sole on this team that lived up to their paycheck last year. You might as well drop every player then, including Andre Johnson and Robinson disquised as our best corner.

big homey
01-20-2006, 06:51 PM
Carr should be the new starter. They'll try to surrond him with more to work with (read: o-line) and see if he performs. If he doesn't turn the corner, there's Brady Quinn and Troy Smith to look at next year.

aj.
01-20-2006, 06:55 PM
Lots of apples and oranges in here. Someone needs to normalize the data - like a cheers per 100k-salary measure - that's it ... a Cp100k index.

Carr's cap hit in '05 was 23 times that of Jerome Mathis. I'm guessing those two would define the upper and lower bounds of the index.

Tulip
01-20-2006, 07:04 PM
I think it will be David Carr, which is frustrating for someone like me who never wanted him in the beginning. I cringed every time his option was mentioned this season, because I knew the day would come when the team would commit extra years to a guy who is average on a good day.

dat_boy_yec
01-20-2006, 07:30 PM
You know I think the question was a good one. The only answer I hear though is VY. If Carr was truly as bad as everyone claimed he was then Leinart, Jacobs, or dare I say Cutler would be viable options. Some people say that Young would be the perfect fit. You people have no idea what you're saying. You think that players would follow a guy that was fresh from college over the man who has stuck it out with you taken every hit just like you and kept getting up for four years. Make logic of that. What about the reputation of McNair, who would trust him or be willing to do business with him if he did something like that to a player he believes in. All the complications you bring to the team and for what, a player that MIGHT be great. Don't waste your time trying to convince me of how awesome he'll be because you know what. If VY came to this team he would be detrumental long before he was instrumental. All these things and I haven't even alluded to our other options.

Tulip
01-20-2006, 07:40 PM
You know I think the question was a good one. The only answer I hear though is VY.

Where? In this thread?

Nighthawk
01-20-2006, 07:42 PM
See Nighthawk, I think you are just the person that this post is about. I read most responses to all threads and MOST Carr fans admit he has made mistakes. Usually most point out that all the problems are not David's but can be his, the scheme, the line, the drops by recievers, etc. You offer nothing to support your position that he is clumsy or why he is "dreaded" by others or even by you. You seem to be caught up in the 14 losses rather than an accurate description of the problem. I respect you as a person and would have respected your opinion if you offered anything to back it up rather than name calling.

I offered no details becasue they've all been offered before to the point of nausea. Carr lovers cling like bad soap to the idea that his problems (note that I'm saying HIS PROBLEMS, not the team's) are always someone else's fault--the coach, the scheme, the line, the receivers, the OC, on and on.

Carr is a POOR quarterback in every possible way one might judge:

He is inaccurate.
He can't hit a moving receiver.
He is lead-footed in the pocket.
He runs into sacks rather than eluding them.
He holds the ball too long before throwing.
He stares at his receiver.
He runs for the sidelines.
He is the cause of many of his sacks.
He throws in the dirt if he's under pressure.
He doesn't do hot reads to chill the rush.
He appears to whine and pout when things go badly.
He does not appear to be a leader of the team.
He is not mentioned as a leader by the other players when they are asked.
He has a throwing motion as bad as Vince Young's and he's 4 years in.
He does not seem to play with "authority."
He does not do well under pressure.
He does not seem to inspire confidence.
He has played (maybe) 4 good quarters in 4 years (generous).
He does not seem committed the top QBs are.
He does not study or practice enough.
He does not seem to understand the urgency.


And that's my 2 minute drill. Anybody with football eyes and an open mind could make a list of his failures three times this long. Casserly and Co. are planning on keeping him in the hope that Kubiak can remake Carr into a good journeyman QB. This is ill-advised, in my view, when you've got Young there for the taking.

dat_boy_yec
01-20-2006, 08:53 PM
I offered no details becasue they've all been offered before to the point of nausea. Carr lovers cling like bad soap to the idea that his problems (note that I'm saying HIS PROBLEMS, not the team's) are always someone else's fault--the coach, the scheme, the line, the receivers, the OC, on and on.

Carr is a POOR quarterback in every possible way one might judge:

He is inaccurate.
He can't hit a moving receiver.
He is lead-footed in the pocket.
He runs into sacks rather than eluding them.
He holds the ball too long before throwing.
He stares at his receiver.
He runs for the sidelines.
He is the cause of many of his sacks.
He throws in the dirt if he's under pressure.
He doesn't do hot reads to chill the rush.
He appears to whine and pout when things go badly.
He does not appear to be a leader of the team.
He is not mentioned as a leader by the other players when they are asked.
He has a throwing motion as bad as Vince Young's and he's 4 years in.
He does not seem to play with "authority."
He does not do well under pressure.
He does not seem to inspire confidence.
He has played (maybe) 4 good quarters in 4 years (generous).
He does not seem committed the top QBs are.
He does not study or practice enough.
He does not seem to understand the urgency.


And that's my 2 minute drill. Anybody with football eyes and an open mind could make a list of his failures three times this long. Casserly and Co. are planning on keeping him in the hope that Kubiak can remake Carr into a good journeyman QB. This is ill-advised, in my view, when you've got Young there for the taking.

So youre basically saying.

All those dropped balls were in no way receiver's faults.
The receivers are standing still when he throws them the ball.
QB's are supposed to get happy feet in the pocket.
The man can see the sacks coming from behind him.
3 seconds is a long time.
He's just supposed to glance over the field and intuitively know where his receivers are without really looking in their direction.
It's wrong to run to the sidelines and stop the clock, running up the gut is a better idea.
It's not the defenders that are the cause of Carr's sacks.
Other QB's balls never hit the dirt when they are under pressure.
You want him to look the other way instead of at the sack being brought to him.
I'm not going to retort to all your comments. All of your opinions are still off-base. Would you take Leinart, who the scouts say is better prepared for the pros. than Young, please explain why.

Nighthawk
01-20-2006, 10:51 PM
So youre basically saying.

All those dropped balls were in no way receiver's faults.
The receivers are standing still when he throws them the ball.
QB's are supposed to get happy feet in the pocket.
The man can see the sacks coming from behind him.
3 seconds is a long time.
He's just supposed to glance over the field and intuitively know where his receivers are without really looking in their direction.
It's wrong to run to the sidelines and stop the clock, running up the gut is a better idea.
It's not the defenders that are the cause of Carr's sacks.
Other QB's balls never hit the dirt when they are under pressure.
You want him to look the other way instead of at the sack being brought to him.
I'm not going to retort to all your comments. All of your opinions are still off-base. Would you take Leinart, who the scouts say is better prepared for the pros. than Young, please explain why.

No, I'm saying what I said and you're writing a bunch of childish trash behind it. And yes, were there no Vince Young, I might well take Leinart. Or I might trade for a decent mid-career QB and pay him less than half of what Carr gets and get twice the production.

vtech9
01-21-2006, 12:16 AM
He's just supposed to glance over the field and intuitively know where his receivers are without really looking in their direction.

It's wrong to run to the sidelines and stop the clock, running up the gut is a better idea.

It's not the defenders that are the cause of Carr's sacks.

I'm only going to respond on a couple of your comments, because most of them aren't even worth commenting on.

YES, he is supposed to be able to glance over the field and instinctively know where his WR's are without looking in their direction. As the QB, you should always know what patterns your WR's are running, and instictively know where they should be. This is why you practice. This is why you stay late and show up early, like Manning & Harrison do. They have that chemistry and confidence in each other that comes from practicing hard together. Brady is the same way in NE. He works hard with his WR's to build that chemistry and confidence.

YES, it is wrong to run to the sidelines to stop the clock when he could have more easily thrown the ball away. What makes it even more wrong is that Carr usually ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, thus being ruled a sack, therefore adding to his sack total.

Of course the defenders are a reason for Carr's sacks, but a vast quantity of them could have been avoided by various means. Several of Carr's sacks were caused by him rolling out of his pocket, thus leaving his protection. Instead of stepping up into the pocket like a normal QB would do, Carr would panic and run into a sack by rolling outside of his protection. I think most of Carr's other sacks came while in a 3-step drop, he would stare down his WR and then hold the ball too long. As a QB, when using the 3-step drop, as soon as you hit that 3rd step, you should be firing the ball to your WR or looking to your next option. Carr would not do this. He would simply stare down his 1st option and hold the ball until he was hit by a defender. Remember, in a 3-step drop, he is not very deep, so the defenders can get to him quicker, which also means that he needs to get rid of the ball quicker.