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Grid
01-19-2006, 03:03 PM
Saw this on another board, thought id post it here.

Here is the Great Blue North top 250

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006top100.html

Make your picks for the Texans based on that. You cannot pick a player rated higher than the pick you are using (so you can only draft players ranked #33 or lower with our second round pick)

We have picks #1, #33, #65, #66, #97, #129, #161, and #193

here is mine.

R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Daryn Colledge OT Boise State
R3#65: Claude Wroten DT LSU
R3#66: Mark Setterstrom OG Minnesota
R4#97: Gerrick McPherson CB Maryland
R5#129: David Thomas TE Texas
R6#161: Ray Edwards DE Purdue
R7#193: Dwyane Slay FS Texas Tech

Here is what id RATHER see.. with a trade down to Denver for their two firsts and their second. (with possibly a player or #1 next year thrown in.. please no comments on how it isnt enough for the #1 overall)

R1#22: Ko Simpson FS South Carolina
R1#29: Leonard Pope TE Georgia
R2#33: Daryn Colledge OT Boise State
R2#61: Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
R3#65: Claude Wroten DT LSU
R3#66: Mark Setterstrom OG Minnesota
R4#97: Gerrick McPherson CB Maryland
R5#129: Rocky McIntosh LB Miami
R6#161: Ray Edwards DE Purdue
R7#193: Dwyane Slay FS Texas Tech

MorKnolle
01-19-2006, 03:16 PM
Not bad, although without looking at the link you posted to see who's available, I don't really like taking Colledge at #33, and I definitely don't like taking a TE in the 1st round at all, I'm not sure why some people are so big on that. Sure we need a TE, but with so many other problems on our team we can't afford to use a 1st rounder on one. In my mind, drafting a TE in the 1st round should only happen if you're already a solid, pretty complete team with depth at the skill positions and you're lacking that one extra player (TE playmaker in this case) that will push you over the edge and into championship contention, and we definitely aren't there yet.

Coach C.
01-19-2006, 03:45 PM
Trade down with Jets 1st, 2nd, 4th, and next years 1st, 3rd. Use a 3rd, 4th, and next years 3rd to get John Abraham.

4 Mario Williams- we are set in a 4-3 or 3-4. I have watched tape on the kid and he can play in a 3-4 he will look alot like Shawn Merrimen. Rush him every time and with Abraham we are looking nice regardless
33. Ryan O'Callahan- hell I guess Pitts is our LT for the next 5yrs, but I am ok with that. This guy is what we all thought Wade could be huge and really light on his feet and plays with a nasty nature
36. Daryn Colledge- Lock him down as the replacement for Weigert or could play LT.
66. Cedric Griffin- we need a CB/FS cover guy and he can do it, plus he is very physical
97. Nick Mangold- the guy can play C/G and he would set us for the line for a good minute. plus he plays with that nasty nature
129. Rocky McIntosh- he is going to be a late round steal similar to Andre Davis and we get him in the same round Davis went in. I would not mind David Thomas here either
161. Reggie McNeal/Greg Threat/Marice Stovall- could not decide so take your pick McNeal is a WR to me though
193. Frostee Rucker/Anthony Schlegel-it is a 7th rounder just pick one.

I did not see JJ from USCarolina on the list or maybe I missed him, but he plays alot like D-Rob and that is not a bad thing. He is also bigger which means we would have a nice 1234 of corners.

Spoda
01-19-2006, 03:47 PM
i too will trade..to make it simple we'll pretend raiders..we got their 2nd..again just simple..we'll get more
#6 Aj hawk (LB)
#33 Pope(TE)
#38 Colledge(OT)
#65 Trueblood(OT)
#66 Griffen(CB)
#97 Nick Mangold...can play guard or center
#129 Matua (OG) see a pattern yet?
#161 Stovall (WR)
#193 Slay (FS)

great idea grid..i was bored...the day passed by so quickly when all the T sips came in those few days screaming for vince

Farough
01-19-2006, 06:04 PM
R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
R3#65: Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame
R3#66: Cedric Griffin CB Texas
R4#97: Nick Mangold C Ohio State
R5#129: Fred Matua OG USC
R6#161: Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
R7#193: Dwayne Slay FS Texas Tech

Sutton=08Heisman
01-19-2006, 06:35 PM
Trade with Jets and get their 1st and 2nd round picks and possibly trade 2nd rounders for later/more picks(just picking players I would like to see, but I'm not sure how we would acquire the position to draft them)...
#4 D'Brick-don't really want an olinemen this high, but the problem has been ignored long enough
#44 Elvis Dumervil (just put number of his rank not our actual picking position)
#48 Abdul Hodge (just put number of his rank not our actual picking position)
#55 Darnell Bing (just put number of his rank not our actual picking position)
#59 Tatusi Lutui (just put number of his rank not our actual picking position)
#85 Cedric Griffen - to please the UT fans lol
#96 Jason Avant (just put number of his rank not our actual picking position)

Well I'm not sure if this scenario is possible, but it would be interesting


Regular picks
#1 Reggie Bush RB
#33 Max Jean-Giles OG
#65 DeMario Minter CB
#66 Jeremy Trueblood OT- don't really know who he is, but we need an olinemen
#97 Dominique Byrd TE
#129 Barry Cofiled DT- I just like Northwestern lol
#161 Maurice Stovall WR
#193 Frostee Rucker DE

awtysst
01-19-2006, 07:19 PM
I will give you three scenarios: The Take Vince scenario, the Take Reggie scenario, the Trade Down scenario.

Take Vince Scenario
R1#1: Vince Young QB Texas
R2#33: Leonard Pope TE Georgia
R3#65: Jeremey Trueblood OT BC
R3#66: Matt Lentz OG Michigan
R4#97: Terna Nande LB Miami (Ohio)
R5#129: Nate Salley FS Ohio State
R6#161: Josh Lay CB
R7#193: Terrence Whitehead RB Oregon

Take Reggie Scenario
R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
R3#65: Jeremey Trueblood OT BC
R3#66: Derrick Martin CB Wyoming
R4#97: Victor Adeyanju DE Indiana
R5#129: Gerris Wilkers LB Maryland
R6#161: Greg Threat SS Miami
R7#193: Cedric Humes RB Virginia Tech?(maybe go Whitehead, I dont like VA Tech).

Trade Down Scenario

Trade pick with Jets for their Number 1,2,3 this year plus 1 next year

R1#4: Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia
R2#36:Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
R3#65: Jeremey Trueblood OT Boston College
R3#66: Maurice Drew RB UCLA
R3#68: Joel Klopfenstien TE Colorado
R4#97: Kai Parham LB Virginia
R5#129: Rocky McIntosh LB Miami
R6#161: Greg Threat SS Miami
R7#193: Donnie McCleskey SS

travfrancis
01-19-2006, 09:02 PM
cool idea, heres mine:

R1#1: QB Vincent Young
R2#33: OLB Bobby Carpenter
R3#65: TE Anthony Fasano
R3#66: WR Chad Jackson
R4#97: C Greg Eslinger
R5#129: WR Demetrius Williams
R6#161: CB Darrell Hunter
R7#193: RB Cedric Humes

that was WAY too easy, lol.

only reason i even took the 2 wrs is because they were available way longer than they should have been, so i went best player available.

YoungTexanFan
01-19-2006, 09:20 PM
1. Mario
33. Abdul Hodge
65 Mark Setterstrom
66 Anthony Fasano
97 Charles Spencer
129 Rocky McIntosh
161 Dwyane Slay
193 Drew Olson

awtysst
01-19-2006, 09:46 PM
1. Mario
33. Abdul Hodge
65 Mark Setterstrom
66 Anthony Fasano
97 Charles Spencer
129 Rocky McIntosh
161 Dwyane Slay
193 Drew Olson


Are you saying that you would take Mario 1?

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 07:49 AM
I will give you three scenarios: The Take Vince scenario, the Take Reggie scenario, the Trade Down scenario.

Take Vince Scenario
R1#1: Vince Young QB Texas
R2#33: Leonard Pope TE Georgia
R3#65: Jeremey Trueblood OT BC
R3#66: Matt Lentz OG Michigan
R4#97: Terna Nande LB Miami (Ohio)
R5#129: Nate Salley FS Ohio State
R6#161: Josh Lay CB
R7#193: Terrence Whitehead RB Oregon

Take Reggie Scenario
R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
R3#65: Jeremey Trueblood OT BC
R3#66: Derrick Martin CB Wyoming
R4#97: Victor Adeyanju DE Indiana
R5#129: Gerris Wilkers LB Maryland
R6#161: Greg Threat SS Miami
R7#193: Cedric Humes RB Virginia Tech?(maybe go Whitehead, I dont like VA Tech).

Trade Down Scenario

Trade pick with Jets for their Number 1,2,3 this year plus 1 next year

R1#4: Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia
R2#36:Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
R3#65: Jeremey Trueblood OT Boston College
R3#66: Maurice Drew RB UCLA
R3#68: Joel Klopfenstien TE Colorado
R4#97: Kai Parham LB Virginia
R5#129: Rocky McIntosh LB Miami
R6#161: Greg Threat SS Miami
R7#193: Donnie McCleskey SS

Not bad ideas but I have a couple suggestions. For one I don't like us taking Vince and don't think it will happen, but if it does you have to go OLine in the 2nd, you can't pass up giving him some kind of protection for a TE, and Pope is one of the two or three TEs that I think will actually go in the 1st round. Letting OLine slip that far will result in Carr getting killed for another year while Vince sits or if they decide to play Vince he'll get killed just like Carr did and knock the confidence out of him too. Your Bush scenario is pretty good but there's no reason to add another RB in there even in the 7th round. If we get Bush we'll have him, Davis, Morency, and Wells, and any other rookie won't see the field at all. Jean-Gilles is probably also not a very good selection for us, we will be using zone blocking on running plays and you need smaller, more athletic OGs for that, and Gilles is definitely not the smaller, quicker type. Davin Joseph would be a much better option. In your trade down scenario, some people have Eric Winston falling to the 2nd round and if that somehow happens that would be a steal of a pick at #33, then we can get Davin Joseph at #36 for our interior line. However, as they said on NFL Network yesterday, once the combine rolls around and Winston puts up his 32+ bench press reps and runs his 40 in under 5.0 people will realize he's over his injury and see him as the beast that he is. I also don't agree with taking Drew in the 3rd round, I'm not sure why we'd do that with Davis, Morency, and Wells. In the trade scenario I could see picking up a really fast RB or a big power RB in like the 6th-7th round but we can still address needs and get possible starters in the 3rd round.

Big B Texan Fan
01-20-2006, 09:27 AM
The draft as far as the 2nd and 3rd and maybe even 4th goes will be more clearer after FA begins and we see who we aquire. I haven't studied who's gonna be available but I bet we snacth up a OG and a DE since the draft is deep at other positions we need. We may try to fill these 2 positions in FA.

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 09:45 AM
The draft as far as the 2nd and 3rd and maybe even 4th goes will be more clearer after FA begins and we see who we aquire. I haven't studied who's gonna be available but I bet we snacth up a OG and a DE since the draft is deep at other positions we need. We may try to fill these 2 positions in FA.

I am hoping we get LeCharles Bentley, but I'd prefer to get one or more of the rookie OGs and play Bentley at C, and I really don't see us getting Hutchinson assuming he even leaves Seattle, and outside of that there really aren't any good OLinemen other than them

Big B Texan Fan
01-20-2006, 10:01 AM
there really aren't any good OLinemen other than them
Oh I'm sure we could find room them.

cuppacoffee
01-20-2006, 10:24 AM
R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
R3#65: Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame
R3#66: Cedric Griffin CB Texas
R4#97: Nick Mangold C Ohio State
R5#129: Fred Matua OG USC
R6#161: Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
R7#193: Dwayne Slay FS Texas Tech

Just looks good to an Irish fan. :yahoo:

Bush and the OGs look good to me.

Hope we find a good MLB in there somewhere.

Fasano in the third is a steal.

Stoval made some big catches for the Irish but a lot of them were jump balls where his height played a big part. Won't be as easy in the NFL.

After such a disappointing year I'm getting excited again.
New coaches and the draft, if that doesn't excite you then you don't have a pulse. (where have I heard that)

:coffee:

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 10:32 AM
Just looks good to an Irish fan. :yahoo:

Bush and the OGs look good to me.

Hope we find a good MLB in there somewhere.

Fasano in the third is a steal.

Stoval made some big catches for the Irish but a lot of them were jump balls where his height played a big part. Won't be as easy in the NFL.

After such a disappointing year I'm getting excited again.
New coaches and the draft, if that doesn't excite you then you don't have a pulse. (where have I heard that)

:coffee:

I agree, this is definitely one of the better drafts I've seen for the Texans, however I disagree with Jean-Gilles as he is a very large OG and I don't think he fits into zone blocking very well, Davin Joseph would be a better choice there. Isn't Matua pretty large too, or is that just Lutui?

Errant Hothy
01-20-2006, 10:53 AM
Two takes, same first pick

1. R. Bush
33. L. Pope TE
65. J. Trueblood OT
66. AJ Nicholson LB
97. W Allen OG
129. N. Salley FS
161. J. Lay CB
193. D. Hunter CB

1. R Bush
33. M Jean-Giles OG
65. J. Trueblood OT
66. J. Klopfenstien. TE
97. R. Cook C/OT (at 6-7 325, bit could play anywhere on the Oline
129. C Oyengecha CB
161. A Harris LB
193. F. Rucker DE

Grid
01-20-2006, 11:03 AM
The more I think about it.. the more I think that will will not take more than one Olineman on the first day. If that. I think we could take one to immediatly come in and compete for a starting spot.. but I think we are more likely to grab a couple on the second day..and a couple undrafted free agents..and start grooming them to fit the Denver scheme.

Im ok with this though cause with some better coaching I think we can squeeze by for a season with most of the Olinemen we have (I know..you cant beleive I just said that). They arent elite but if they can be servicable....long enough for us to start grooming replacements.. that would be helpful.

This draft is very deep in some of the key defensive spots that we need it to be. And if we are really switching to a 4-3...I see us using a number of picks on Defense. Especially in the first day to address the Dline.

Just a thought.

Trading down and grabbing Mario Williams.. and possible Claude Wroten in the 2nd or 3rd.. sounds very nice to me. Ko Simpson, Jason Allen, Cedrik Griffin, Youboty... all good looking prospects to address our DB needs. Thomas Howard in the 2nd or 3rd would be a great pickup for us as well. We are going to need another 4-3 OLB imo.

Dunta_23
01-20-2006, 11:06 AM
1. Reggie Bush RB USC
33. Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
65. Jeremy Trueblood OT Boston College
66. Cedric Griffin CB Texas
97. Will Allen OG Texas
129. David Thomas TE Texas
161. Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
193. Drew Olsen QB UCLA

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 11:14 AM
The more I think about it.. the more I think that will will not take more than one Olineman on the first day. If that. I think we could take one to immediatly come in and compete for a starting spot.. but I think we are more likely to grab a couple on the second day..and a couple undrafted free agents..and start grooming them to fit the Denver scheme.

Im ok with this though cause with some better coaching I think we can squeeze by for a season with most of the Olinemen we have (I know..you cant beleive I just said that). They arent elite but if they can be servicable....long enough for us to start grooming replacements.. that would be helpful.

This draft is very deep in some of the key defensive spots that we need it to be. And if we are really switching to a 4-3...I see us using a number of picks on Defense. Especially in the first day to address the Dline.

Just a thought.

Trading down and grabbing Mario Williams.. and possible Claude Wroten in the 2nd or 3rd.. sounds very nice to me. Ko Simpson, Jason Allen, Cedrik Griffin, Youboty... all good looking prospects to address our DB needs. Thomas Howard in the 2nd or 3rd would be a great pickup for us as well. We are going to need another 4-3 OLB imo.

I still really hope we get two starting quality guys that first day, grabbing Eric Winston and Davin Joseph would be awesome and then bringing in LeCharles Bentley would make a huge difference in our OLine, although Kubiak will have to evaluate our current guys and see how much of the problem is them vs. just the coaching they had, that will greatly impact our decision on drafting them. Some mocks have Winston falling to the 2nd round, so if we trade down with the Jets and have the #33 and #36 picks and can grab the two of them there that would be great, but after the combine I really think Winston will fly back into the mid 1st round. I really see us using all but one 1st day pick on offense though since Kubiak is coming in and wants to fix this offense up and get it going the way it was meant to, and we have been signing a bunch of extra depth on defense already this offseason to compete for spots, so I think between them and our current guys, if we switch to a 4-3 they will give them a chance to compete for most of the spots and would only draft a CB/S or maybe a great DE, and other than that concentrate on offense with our higher picks.

One other note, Max Jean-Gilles is a monster OG and should be a great player, but he does not fit the zone blocking scheme and I don't see him coming here, so for everyone that keeps putting him in their mocks I think Davin Joseph would be a much better fit and would get picked over him.

cuppacoffee
01-20-2006, 11:23 AM
I agree, this is definitely one of the better drafts I've seen for the Texans, however I disagree with Jean-Gilles as he is a very large OG and I don't think he fits into zone blocking very well, Davin Joseph would be a better choice there. Isn't Matua pretty large too, or is that just Lutui?

Info on Giles (http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/maxjeangiles.htm)

He is large, but as the overview on him states he is a very good run blocker and this does seem to be Kubiaks preference. Sounds like he'd make a good Texan O-lineman.

Info on Matua (http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/matua_fred00.html)

Listed at 6'2" 305, with a defensive players attitude. A little of that on the team won't hurt my feelings.

Guess thats why the GMs get the big bucks. Gotta wade through all the hype and put your job and reputation on the line.

:coffee:

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 11:31 AM
Info on Giles (http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/maxjeangiles.htm)

He is large, but as the overview on him states he is a very good run blocker and this does seem to be Kubiaks preference. Sounds like he'd make a good Texan O-lineman.

Info on Matua (http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/matua_fred00.html)

Listed at 6'2" 305, with a defensive players attitude. A little of that on the team won't hurt my feelings.

Guess thats why the GMs get the big bucks. Gotta wade through all the hype and put your job and reputation on the line.

:coffee:

OK, I admit I didn't know much on Matua so thanks for pointing that out. Gilles is a monster run blocker and Denver does like those, but he is huge and with the zone blocking scheme you generally need smaller, more athletic OGs that can move better in there, so he would likely not be the best option at that, Davin Joseph is a more prototypical zone blocking OG. In addition, our current guys can all run block pretty well and we need much better pass protection, and Joseph is a lot better in pass blocking than Gilles, so my preference would be Joseph, but again we'll have to see how well Kubiak likes our OLinemen and what he decides to do in the draft. I really hope we can get Eric Winston because I think he would be a great OT in a zone blocking scheme as he has good size, great athleticism, a nasty mean streak, and can both run and pass block well. Some people have him falling to the 2nd round and I'd much rather get him at #33 than a OG if he's there, but I think after the combine he'll put up a great performance and his draft stock will rise a whole lot and he'll be the 2nd OL taken, likely in the top 15.

TexasJedi
01-20-2006, 12:35 PM
#1 Reggie Bush RB (Southern Cal)
#33 Daryn Colledge OT (Boise State)
#65 Anthony Fasano TE (Notre Dame)
#66 Kai Parham ILB (Virginia)
#97 Greg Eslinger C (Minnesota)
#129 Darrell Hunter CB (Miami, OH)
#161 Rocky McIntosh OLB (Miami, FL)
#193 Dwayne Slay FS (Texas Tech)

Grid
01-20-2006, 02:12 PM
I still really hope we get two starting quality guys that first day, grabbing Eric Winston and Davin Joseph would be awesome and then bringing in LeCharles Bentley would make a huge difference in our OLine, although Kubiak will have to evaluate our current guys and see how much of the problem is them vs. just the coaching they had, that will greatly impact our decision on drafting them. Some mocks have Winston falling to the 2nd round, so if we trade down with the Jets and have the #33 and #36 picks and can grab the two of them there that would be great, but after the combine I really think Winston will fly back into the mid 1st round. I really see us using all but one 1st day pick on offense though since Kubiak is coming in and wants to fix this offense up and get it going the way it was meant to, and we have been signing a bunch of extra depth on defense already this offseason to compete for spots, so I think between them and our current guys, if we switch to a 4-3 they will give them a chance to compete for most of the spots and would only draft a CB/S or maybe a great DE, and other than that concentrate on offense with our higher picks.

One other note, Max Jean-Gilles is a monster OG and should be a great player, but he does not fit the zone blocking scheme and I don't see him coming here, so for everyone that keeps putting him in their mocks I think Davin Joseph would be a much better fit and would get picked over him.


I think that Kubiak is likely to find that we already have a lot of talent on Offense.. minus the Oline of course. Problem is that the Oline isnt going to get fixed by a couple of first day picks. THat doesnt mean that we should ignore it.. just that we should draft guys that fit the system we want to implement and start grooming them immediately.. fortunatly, the guys that fit our system are second day picks, and undrafted free agents. Though, like i said, i could see us drafting an elite prospect to come in and immediately start competing.

As for the defense.. its fine that we are bringing in guys to compete for positions.. but we are in a position to draft some of these younger talents coming out. There are some very good defensive prospects in this year's draft.. and if we are switching to a 4-3, we would be better served by drafting at least a couple guys that can come in and possibly be immediate upgrades over our current players. We definatly need to get at least one true 4-3 DE that can become an immediate starter I would think. Our OLB tweeners will work as pass rushers such.. but we need some big ugly 270+ pound DEs to protect against the run and such.

And I agree on Davin over Max for us.

cuppacoffee
01-20-2006, 02:18 PM
OK, I admit I didn't know much on Matua so thanks for pointing that out. Gilles is a monster run blocker and Denver does like those, but he is huge and with the zone blocking scheme you generally need smaller, more athletic OGs that can move better in there, so he would likely not be the best option at that, Davin Joseph is a more prototypical zone blocking OG. In addition, our current guys can all run block pretty well and we need much better pass protection, and Joseph is a lot better in pass blocking than Gilles, so my preference would be Joseph, but again we'll have to see how well Kubiak likes our OLinemen and what he decides to do in the draft. I really hope we can get Eric Winston because I think he would be a great OT in a zone blocking scheme as he has good size, great athleticism, a nasty mean streak, and can both run and pass block well. Some people have him falling to the 2nd round and I'd much rather get him at #33 than a OG if he's there, but I think after the combine he'll put up a great performance and his draft stock will rise a whole lot and he'll be the 2nd OL taken, likely in the top 15.

I don't know anything about these players either....I just do a search an see what pops up. Lots of posters here do seem to know a lot about a lot of players, I just check on those whose names come up in discussion.
Beats arguing about the same two players all day long...:)

Grid
01-20-2006, 02:22 PM
I tell ya who im starting to get excited about is Mario Williams. I think you actually brought him up to me in a trade down scenario yesterday MorKnolle..and I said that the weaknesses listed in his scouting report made me worry he could be a bust. But he has started to grow on me.. and the comments about him being the best DE since Julius Peppers..and the rumors that we are going to be switching to a 4-3.. im starting to wonder if Williams couldnt possibly be as elite a prospect as Bush, Young, and Lienart.. except Williams would be one we could really really really use.

Im gonna keep digging for more info on him..and see if i cant find some video clips.

Farough
01-20-2006, 02:59 PM
Just looks good to an Irish fan. :yahoo:

Bush and the OGs look good to me.

Hope we find a good MLB in there somewhere.

Fasano in the third is a steal.

Stoval made some big catches for the Irish but a lot of them were jump balls where his height played a big part. Won't be as easy in the NFL.

After such a disappointing year I'm getting excited again.
New coaches and the draft, if that doesn't excite you then you don't have a pulse. (where have I heard that)

:coffee:

HAHA, I am an Irish fan, but thats not why i chose that way.

Fasano and Stovall both had tremendous seasons and with that late of a pick with Stovall I don't see why you wouldnt. He's got size and speed, which would be a good compliment to Johnson.
Can't wait for next year for the Texans and Irish!

Xman
01-20-2006, 03:43 PM
GBN's first round projection - new

Team Player POS School

1 Houston Reggie Bush RB Southern California

2 New Orleans Matt Leinart QB Southern California

3 Tennessee Vince Young QB Texas

4 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia

5 Green Bay Mario Williams DE North Carolina State

T6 Oakland A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State

T6 San Francisco Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech

8 Buffalo Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

9 Detroit Tamba Hali DE Penn State

10 Arizona DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

11 St. Louis Vernon Davis TE Maryland

12 Cleveland Eric WinstonOT Miami

13 Baltimore Demeco Ryans LB Alabama

14 Philadelphia LenDale White RB Southern California

15 Atlanta Michael Huff DB Texas

16 Miami Marcus McNeill OT Auburn

17 Minnesota Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

18 Dallas Jonathan Scott OT Texas

19 San Diego Chad Greenway LB Iowa

20 Kansas City Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College

21 New England Ernie Sims LB Florida State

22 Denver (from Washington) Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA

23 Tampa Bay Winston Justice OT Southern California

24 Cincinnati Rod Wright DT Texas

25 New York Giants Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State

26 Chicago Leonard Pope TE Georgia

27 *Carolina Gabe Watson DT Michigan

28 *Pittsburgh Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State

29 *Jacksonville Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State

30 Indianapolis Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State

S31 *Seattle Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State

S32 *Denver Ko Simpson DB South Carolina

Xman
01-20-2006, 03:46 PM
One note on the OG debate. I have heard a lot about Jean-Gilles but I haven't seen him so I cannot say how fast or athletic he is - but others on this board have raqved about him and most reports are strong (why else would he be the top ranked OG).

Tutui, on the other hand, I have seen. He looked pretty fast and athletic against UT. He was blasting holes and sealing off downfield. I think he is the main reason White had such a good game.

Grid
01-20-2006, 04:04 PM
Im sure both of them are very athletic for their size.. I just dont see how any 340-370 pounder could be as athletic and quick as a 270-295 pounder.

rmartin65
01-20-2006, 04:45 PM
Okay, here's what I'd like to see:
A trade with the Jets for their first and 2nd this year and their first next year(is it possible?)
#4 DBrick
#33 Bobby Carpenter
#37 Elvis Dumerville
#65 Mark Setterstrom
#66 Joel Klopfenstien
#97 Kai Parham
#129 Greg Eslinger
#161 Mike Kudla(I did not see him on here, but he is a good player)
#193 Dwayne Slay

Xman
01-20-2006, 05:12 PM
Okay, here's what I'd like to see:
A trade with the Jets for their first and 2nd this year and their first next year(is it possible?)
#4 DBrick
#33 Bobby Carpenter
#37 Elvis Dumerville
#65 Mark Setterstrom
#66 Joel Klopfenstien
#97 Kai Parham
#129 Greg Eslinger
#161 Mike Kudla(I did not see him on here, but he is a good player)
#193 Dwayne Slay

According to the point chart: #1=3000, #4=1800, #36=540.
Typically picks are valued one round higher the next year ( ie a 3rd this year is equal to a 2nd next year). So, assume a point value of 580 for the 1st next year (1st pick in 2nd round this year).
2920<3000, so we should also ask for their 4th (#100=100points) or at least their 5th(#132=40points) to make if more fair for us.
Also, the 1st pick this year should come at a premium (possibly worth more than 3000 because of the top talent this year)

So, the deal is fair.

However, the Jets have a bad team (no offense and half a defense) and cap problems. They need picks as much as we do - and they need a LOT as much as we do - (and if they deal Abraham due to cap problems, they could use MWilliams) - so, they might be better off at pick 4.

I think Oakland and SF would be more likely to trade up - SF to get the duo of Asmith and Bush who went to high school together and are friends - Oakland to get a QB.

rmartin65
01-20-2006, 05:33 PM
According to the point chart: #1=3000, #4=1800, #36=540.
Typically picks are valued one round higher the next year ( ie a 3rd this year is equal to a 2nd next year). So, assume a point value of 580 for the 1st next year (1st pick in 2nd round this year).
2920<3000, so we should also ask for their 4th (#100=100points) or at least their 5th(#132=40points) to make if more fair for us.
Also, the 1st pick this year should come at a premium (possibly worth more than 3000 because of the top talent this year)

So, the deal is fair.

However, the Jets have a bad team (no offense and half a defense) and cap problems. They need picks as much as we do - and they need a LOT as much as we do - (and if they deal Abraham due to cap problems, they could use MWilliams) - so, they might be better off at pick 4.

I think Oakland and SF would be more likely to trade up - SF to get the duo of Asmith and Bush who went to high school together and are friends - Oakland to get a QB.
Thanks. The same picks but a trade with SF.

Dunta_23
02-01-2006, 09:24 PM
Keep this going:D

Dunta_23
02-01-2006, 09:50 PM
The more I think about it the more I am for trading down with the Jets for their 1st & 2nd this yr, and a 1st next.

#4- D'Brick(Virginia)- Franchise LT for years to come, only way to evaluate the QB is to keep him upright and this will help.

#33- Leonard Pope(Georgia)- Big Target at TE that weve always wanted, if Joppru returns its a positive thing.

#36(Jets)- Bobby Carpenter(Ohio State)- Solid LB that played beside a star, is overlooked and will help immediately

#65- Jeremy Trueblood(BC)- A quality player that can be worked in at RT and be groomed until Wade is gone.

#66- Cedric Griffin(Texas)- A player that will help the secondary, wether he starts or plays nickle

#97- Sinorice Moss(Miami)- Santana's younger brother and showed it at the Senior Bowl. IF he is there at 97, any team is crazy not to take him...

#129- Rocky McIntosh(Miami)- Solid LB, can come is as quality depth

# 161- Maurice Stovall(ND)- Can never have enough playmakers, and with Bradford going and possibly Gaffney and Armstrong, Depth could be used.

#193- Toss up between Frostee Rucker(USC) and Dwayne Slay(TT)...Undecided here because I think our young safteys can be pretty good, and we will have a need at DE

Mightymike
02-02-2006, 07:49 PM
best mock yet

rd1 trade to jets for #4 pick, 2nd round pick, 1st next year
we take mario williams at #4 DE-the FREAK 295lb. w/ a 4.6 40. upgrades our defense greatly through passrush

rd2 mercedes lewis TE- best TE available, big need

rd2 (from jets) johnathan scott OT- great OL could come in and start

rd3 alan zematis CB- back-up plan for pbuc, big physical corner

rd3 Duece Lutui OG- opened up the holes for lendale white and reggie bush. 365lb.

rd4 thomas howard OLB- very very fast.

rd5 anthony schlegel ILB- gets lost in aj hawk's shadow, but is a great lb

rd6 rashad butler OT- undersized quick tackle

rd7 dwayne slay S- hard hitting safety, compete with earl and brown to take coleman spot at S

Mightymike
02-02-2006, 08:02 PM
by the way williams benched 225lb. 31 times, and had 13 sacks this year
named preseason Defensive Player of the Year by Blue Ribbon College Football
comparisons.....
julius peppers
jevon kearse (back in the day)

Seņor Stan
02-02-2006, 09:20 PM
Tried not to look at the other posts...here goes

R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
R3#65: Joel Klopfenstien TE Colorado
R3#66: Cedric Griffen CB Texas
R4#97: Sinonice Moss WR Miami
R5#129: Fred Matua OG Southern California
R6#161: Tommy Jackson DT Auburn
R7#193: Dwyane Slay FS Texas Tech

MorKnolle
02-02-2006, 10:27 PM
The more I think about it the more I am for trading down with the Jets for their 1st & 2nd this yr, and a 1st next.

#4- D'Brick(Virginia)- Franchise LT for years to come, only way to evaluate the QB is to keep him upright and this will help.

#33- Leonard Pope(Georgia)- Big Target at TE that weve always wanted, if Joppru returns its a positive thing.

#36(Jets)- Bobby Carpenter(Ohio State)- Solid LB that played beside a star, is overlooked and will help immediately

#65- Jeremy Trueblood(BC)- A quality player that can be worked in at RT and be groomed until Wade is gone.

#66- Cedric Griffin(Texas)- A player that will help the secondary, wether he starts or plays nickle

#97- Sinorice Moss(Miami)- Santana's younger brother and showed it at the Senior Bowl. IF he is there at 97, any team is crazy not to take him...

#129- Rocky McIntosh(Miami)- Solid LB, can come is as quality depth

# 161- Maurice Stovall(ND)- Can never have enough playmakers, and with Bradford going and possibly Gaffney and Armstrong, Depth could be used.

#193- Toss up between Frostee Rucker(USC) and Dwayne Slay(TT)...Undecided here because I think our young safteys can be pretty good, and we will have a need at DE

I would still rather get Eric Winston later in the draft and either trade down to grab Mario or draft Reggie.
I don't like taking a TE at #33, DE will be a big need for us when we switch to a 4-3 and we can get a capable TE in the 3rd round.
Carpenter would be a decent pick here, but again DE is a bigger need so if we don't get one at #4 or #33 then we should look for one here.
Jeremy Trueblood would be a horrible pick. He's a Todd Wade clone, tall, fairly lean, and very stiff and a bad pass blocker while only a decent run blocker, plus if we get Ferguson for LT then Pitts should move over to RT.
Cedric Griffin would be a nice pickup here too.
No way Sinorice Moss lasts until the 3rd round, but if he does that would be a steal for us.
Rocky McIntosh should be a good addition and will likely be here then, but we don't really need two LBs in the draft since we're switching to a 4-3 and we have Greenwood and Wong that are decent players and locked in with big contracts.
I don't think Stovall will last until the 6th round, but if he does he would be a nice pickup, but again we don't need two WRs in the draft.

Your mock isn't bad other than the Trueblood pick would not be good, and you don't have us getting a DE or interior OLineman anywhere.

best mock yet

rd1 trade to jets for #4 pick, 2nd round pick, 1st next year
we take mario williams at #4 DE-the FREAK 295lb. w/ a 4.6 40. upgrades our defense greatly through passrush

rd2 mercedes lewis TE- best TE available, big need

rd2 (from jets) johnathan scott OT- great OL could come in and start

rd3 alan zematis CB- back-up plan for pbuc, big physical corner

rd3 Duece Lutui OG- opened up the holes for lendale white and reggie bush. 365lb.

rd4 thomas howard OLB- very very fast.

rd5 anthony schlegel ILB- gets lost in aj hawk's shadow, but is a great lb

rd6 rashad butler OT- undersized quick tackle

rd7 dwayne slay S- hard hitting safety, compete with earl and brown to take coleman spot at S

Mario Williams would be a great pick, and is probably my top choice for us to do in the draft.
As with the above mock, I don't like taking a TE at #33 as I think we have bigger needs and a good one will be available in the 3rd.
Jonathan Scott would be an ok pick, but I'm hoping Eric Winston will be available as some mocks have, and if he is we definitely should get him.
Alan Zemaitis would be a nice pick if he's available here.
Lutui is not a good pick for us. For one, he's only 6'3.5" and 338 lbs. not 365, but still with a run blocking scheme we need smaller, more athletic OGs and he and Jean-Gilles do not fit this mold at all.
Thomas Howard would be a nice pickup.
Schlegel would be a decent pickup, but I don't think he'll last this far, plus we don't need two LBs in this draft, although MLB is the one LB position that we actually need.
I'm not sure what the point of drafting Butler would be, but ok.
Dwayne Slay would be a decent S, but I don't think he'll last until the 7th, plus if we're going to get a S we need a coverage one more than a hard-hitting one.

Other than Lutui who doesn't fit our team well, this mock is pretty good.

by the way williams benched 225lb. 31 times, and had 13 sacks this year
named preseason Defensive Player of the Year by Blue Ribbon College Football
comparisons.....
julius peppers
jevon kearse (back in the day)

Mario Williams should be a beast, especially if he ends up running in the 4.6 range. Peppers would be a decent comparison, although Peppers is more athletic than Mario, but I wouldn't compare him to Jevon Kearse, as he was much smaller and faster than Mario.

Tried not to look at the other posts...here goes

R1#1: Reggie Bush RB USC
R2#33: Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
R3#65: Joel Klopfenstien TE Colorado
R3#66: Cedric Griffen CB Texas
R4#97: Sinonice Moss WR Miami
R5#129: Fred Matua OG Southern California
R6#161: Tommy Jackson DT Auburn
R7#193: Dwyane Slay FS Texas Tech

I still prefer trading down, but Bush at #1 is the next best choice for us.
Jean-Gilles is not a good pick, he and Lutui are huge OGs and for zone blocking you want smaller, more athletic OGs, so neither of them fit our system well, plus both are so big that they should be good run blockers but not very good pass blockers, and that's what we're needing to improve. Both Lutui and Jean-Gilles should both be monster run blockers elsewhere.
Klopfenstein would be ok.
Cedric Griffin would be nice.
Moss won't last until the 3rd round, but again he'd be a great addition there.
I don't see the reason for drafting another DT, we have plenty of them.
As for Dwayne Slay, see my comment on him in the other mock.

Not a bad mock but not great, you don't have us getting an OT anywhere which should be a must and you have us getting two OGs, one of which doesn't fit our team, you don't have us getting a DE which should also be a must and have us drafting another DT, which is probably our deepest position.

Farough
02-03-2006, 12:31 PM
The more I think about it the more I am for trading down with the Jets for their 1st & 2nd this yr, and a 1st next.

#4- D'Brick(Virginia)- Franchise LT for years to come, only way to evaluate the QB is to keep him upright and this will help.

#33- Leonard Pope(Georgia)- Big Target at TE that weve always wanted, if Joppru returns its a positive thing.

#36(Jets)- Bobby Carpenter(Ohio State)- Solid LB that played beside a star, is overlooked and will help immediately

#65- Jeremy Trueblood(BC)- A quality player that can be worked in at RT and be groomed until Wade is gone.

#66- Cedric Griffin(Texas)- A player that will help the secondary, wether he starts or plays nickle

#97- Sinorice Moss(Miami)- Santana's younger brother and showed it at the Senior Bowl. IF he is there at 97, any team is crazy not to take him...

#129- Rocky McIntosh(Miami)- Solid LB, can come is as quality depth

# 161- Maurice Stovall(ND)- Can never have enough playmakers, and with Bradford going and possibly Gaffney and Armstrong, Depth could be used.

#193- Toss up between Frostee Rucker(USC) and Dwayne Slay(TT)...Undecided here because I think our young safteys can be pretty good, and we will have a need at DE

Its not looking that Stovall is going to be around that far down anymore. they now have him going in the 2nd round in most mocks

CoastalTexan
02-03-2006, 02:50 PM
my draft would be, Trade down with the Jets and get #2 this year and #1 next year. Get the C from New Orleans in FA.
1-4. Super Mario DE NCState a pass rusher like him will improve our defense and everyone on it. Babin and Williams rushing the qb will be more than adequate DE's.
2-33. Daryn Colledge LT Boise State Excellent pass blocker and light on his feet. Very quick for a LT and is underrated.
2-36. D'Qwell Jackson MLB Maryland Good tackler whos good in coverage, a real MLB.
3-65. Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado That pass catching TE that Kubiak keeps talking about. Tall, decent blocker, and is quick for his position.
3-66. Cedric Griffin CB UT A pick that quenches the UT folks thirst. Good aggresive CB who can hit.
4-97. Daniel Bullocks FS Nebraska A free safety to replace Coleman.
5-129. Mark Setterstrom OG Minnesota Guard who can play in the zone blocking scheme. probley wont fall this far
6-161. Fred Evans DT Texas State Big aggressive DT to groom under Walker and Payne. Impressed in the Hula Bowl and has alot of potential. TxState Homer Pick
7-193. Barrick Nealy QB/WR Texas State Another Homer Pick, 3rd stringer QB who can also play WR, stock dropped due to hula bowl performance. Trade bait for more picks later possibly.

MorKnolle
02-03-2006, 03:03 PM
my draft would be, Trade down with the Jets and get #2 this year and #1 next year. Get the C from New Orleans in FA.
1-4. Super Mario DE NCState a pass rusher like him will improve our defense and everyone on it. Babin and Williams rushing the qb will be more than adequate DE's.
2-33. Daryn Colledge LT Boise State Excellent pass blocker and light on his feet. Very quick for a LT and is underrated.
2-36. D'Qwell Jackson MLB Maryland Good tackler whos good in coverage, a real MLB.
3-65. Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado That pass catching TE that Kubiak keeps talking about. Tall, decent blocker, and is quick for his position.
3-66. Cedric Griffin CB UT A pick that quenches the UT folks thirst. Good aggresive CB who can hit.
4-97. Daniel Bullocks FS Nebraska A free safety to replace Coleman.
5-129. Mark Setterstrom OG Minnesota Guard who can play in the zone blocking scheme. probley wont fall this far
6-161. Fred Evans DT Texas State Big aggressive DT to groom under Walker and Payne. Impressed in the Hula Bowl and has alot of potential. TxState Homer Pick
7-193. Barrick Nealy QB/WR Texas State Another Homer Pick, 3rd stringer QB who can also play WR, stock dropped due to hula bowl performance. Trade bait for more picks later possibly.

Setterstrom likely will not drop to the 5th, Daryn Colledge would not be a LT for us, he would be a RT and Pitts would stay at LT and I think a better OT option will be available there (Eric Winston could be, Jonathan Scott could be, etc.) I'm not a real big fan of D'Qwell, we should go after our interior OLine there with someone like Nick Mangold. Bullocks and Griffin would be nice picks. There is no reason to draft another DT, we're transitioning to a 4-3 and we already have Walker, Payne, Smith, and Travis Johnson at DTs that should be good, plus Ioane and DeLoach as backups if they are retained.

CoastalTexan
02-03-2006, 03:16 PM
Walker and Payne are gone whenever it is affordable to release them. Therefore it would be smart to groom a DT behind them, learning from them and such. What MLB would you suggest? I didn't follow that position closely during the season. I think Colledge would be a good LT in the zone blocking that we use. He pass blocks too good to be a RT.

cadahnic
02-03-2006, 03:39 PM
Look for Rocky McIntosh in the fourth. Also Daniel Bullocks and Ced Griffin will likely play the same position in the pros so that does not really work, think more Jonathan Joseph USCarolina. The DT position is not really a need and Walker and Payne will likely not be gone for at least another 2yrs so the grooming can start next year. WAlker maybe a little sooner if he will not restructure his contract. Colledge is more of a G/RT than LT and Pitts would be the LT. Like your thought in the first round though that is solid. My mouth waters thinking of the QB punishment from Mario, Peek, and Babin. Plus Orr coming on a LB blitz. Damn shame is what that will be.

MorKnolle
02-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Look for Rocky McIntosh in the fourth. Also Daniel Bullocks and Ced Griffin will likely play the same position in the pros so that does not really work, think more Jonathan Joseph USCarolina. The DT position is not really a need and Walker and Payne will likely not be gone for at least another 2yrs so the grooming can start next year. WAlker maybe a little sooner if he will not restructure his contract. Colledge is more of a G/RT than LT and Pitts would be the LT. Like your thought in the first round though that is solid. My mouth waters thinking of the QB punishment from Mario, Peek, and Babin. Plus Orr coming on a LB blitz. Damn shame is what that will be.

I agree, Payne and Walker are here for a while. Payne could maybe be cut after next season, Walker would have to be at least one more season after that unless one of them retires or restructures their deal. I also agree that Colledge is more of a OG/RT prospect and not a great prospect at LT. Ferguson is the top pure LT, Eric Winston and Winston Justice are both good LT prospects that could also fill in well at RT if they need to for a year (Ferguson would not be good at RT), and Jonathan Scott could also be a nice LT. Colledge, Marcus McNeill, Jeremy Trueblood, and Ryan O'Callaghan are all likely RTs for life, and Trueblood and O'Callaghan did not look very good to me at the Senior Bowl. Mario would be a nice force on the DL, especially if we can trade with the Jets and grab John Abraham out of the deal, him and Mario together would be nice, plus with our roster we could still run an occasional 3-4 to confuse opposing offenses and disguise some nice blitzes in there.

NederlandTexan
02-03-2006, 03:57 PM
Rumor has it that the Jets are interested in trading down because they feel they have so many needs that just one player won't do them much good.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

1. Reggie Bush RB 5-11, 200 USC
2. Daryn Colledge OT 6-5, 296 Boise State
3. Mark Setterstrom OG 6-4, 310 Minnesota
3. Cedric Griffin CB 6-1,190 Texas
4. Dominique Byrd TE 6-3, 260 USC
5. Mike Hass WR 6-1, 210 Oregon State
6. Brandon Johnson LB 6-5 220 Louisville
7. Sir Henry Anderson DT 6-1, 315 Oregon State

cadahnic
02-03-2006, 04:21 PM
OK because of all the change lately since the Senior Bowl I am gonna revise mine I guess. We still trade down and get a 1st, 2nd, next years 1st, 3th took away some picks so it is more attractive to Jets so they will trade up.
The trade back into the first was our second next years 2nd and 3rd.
1.4-Mario Williams DE
1.22-Eric Winston OT
2.36- Nick Mangold G
3.66-Jonathan Joseph CB
3.67-Maurice Stovall WR
4.97-Rocky McIntosh OLB/MLB
5.129-T.J. Williams/David Thomas TE*2
6.161-Marcus Maxey FS
7.193-Barrick Nealy QB/ Chris Gocong DE

swtbound07
02-03-2006, 04:44 PM
No Trades

R1#1: Vince Young Qb Texas
R2#33: Leonard Pope TE Georgia
R3#65: AJ Nicholson LB FSU
R3#66: Jeremy Trueblood OT Boston College
R4#97: Domonique Byrd TE USC
R5#129: Mike Hass WR Oregon
R6#161: Manaia Brown DT BYU
R7#193: Dwyane Slay FS Texas Tech

I realize taking 2 tight ends is a bit much, but byrd available in round 4 is a steal for me, and pope lasting till 33 would be a lot to pass on

Dunta_23
02-12-2006, 10:35 AM
They updated this list now to a more respectable top 200...Im going to see what I can come up with...

1. Mario Williams, DE, NC State
33. Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
65. Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
66. Maurice Stovall, WR, Notre Dame
97. Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue
129. David Thomas, TE, Texas
161. Rocky McIntosh, LB, Miami
193. John Huston, PK, Ohio State

TexanBacker93
02-12-2006, 12:36 PM
This is after a trade with the Jets to get their 1st rounder (#4), their 2nd rounder (#36), and their 1st and 3rd round picks next season.

4 - Mario Williams, DE, NC State
33 - Alan Zemaitis, CB, Penn St.
36 - Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
65 - Jonathon Scott, T, Texas
66 - Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
97 - Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona St.
129 - Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
161 - A.J. Nicholson, LB, Florida St.
193 - Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech

This draft is assuming the Texans have the players on their rosters as it stands now. If they pick up someone like John Abraham or LeCharles Bentley that could change what I think they should do.

Williams and Henderson give them 2 DEs that could both play Strongside or Henderson could play weakside if they both start.

Zemaitis could play at FS with Joseph, Dunta, and either Brown or Earl filling out the rest of the defensive backfield.

Eslinger and Scott will help upgrade the line. I don't think they need 5 new linemen. Replacing a couple of rusty parts will go a long way. Hodgden or Eslinger can move to G with Pitts and Scott at T. Weigert stays at the other G spot and Wade, McKinney, and Brown are shown the door.

Fasano and Hagan give Carr some more weapons. Hagan can replace Gaffney if he bolts in FA and Fasano can add a multidimensional TE threat.

Nicholson is the biggest wildcard. I don't think he slips to the 6th round, but according to the list, that's where they have him. He has some big character flaws, but his upside is big. The team needs a playmaker in that LB group and with his skills he could be that person.

kiwitexansfan
02-12-2006, 03:12 PM
I would like us to trade down but if we stay put I would have to go with Bush. Here is what I would do with these two options based pretty much on what I see as being our needs.

Stay at one option:
#1, Reggie Bush, USC, HB,
#33, Marcus McNeil, Auburn, OT
#65, Jonathon Joseph, South Carolina, CB
#66, Elvis Dummeril, Louisville, DE
#97, Tim Dobbins, Iowa St, ILB
#129, Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech, FS
#161, Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan, TE
#193 Donald Penn, Utah State, OG

Trade down option:
R1#4: Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
R2#33: Marcus McNeil, Auburn, OT
R2#36: Abdul Hodge, Iowa, ILB
R3#65: Jonathon Joseph, South Carolina, CB
R3#66: Mark Setterstrom, Minnesotta, OG
R3#68: Elvis Dummeril, Louisville, DE
R4#97: Michael Robinson, Penn State, WR/QB
R5#129: Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech, FS
R6#161: Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan, TE
R7#193: Lawrence Vickers, Colorado, FB

MorKnolle
02-12-2006, 04:31 PM
This is after a trade with the Jets to get their 1st rounder (#4), their 2nd rounder (#36), and their 1st and 3rd round picks next season.

4 - Mario Williams, DE, NC State
33 - Alan Zemaitis, CB, Penn St.
36 - Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
65 - Jonathon Scott, T, Texas
66 - Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
97 - Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona St.
129 - Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
161 - A.J. Nicholson, LB, Florida St.
193 - Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech

This draft is assuming the Texans have the players on their rosters as it stands now. If they pick up someone like John Abraham or LeCharles Bentley that could change what I think they should do.

Williams and Henderson give them 2 DEs that could both play Strongside or Henderson could play weakside if they both start.

Zemaitis could play at FS with Joseph, Dunta, and either Brown or Earl filling out the rest of the defensive backfield.

Eslinger and Scott will help upgrade the line. I don't think they need 5 new linemen. Replacing a couple of rusty parts will go a long way. Hodgden or Eslinger can move to G with Pitts and Scott at T. Weigert stays at the other G spot and Wade, McKinney, and Brown are shown the door.

Fasano and Hagan give Carr some more weapons. Hagan can replace Gaffney if he bolts in FA and Fasano can add a multidimensional TE threat.

Nicholson is the biggest wildcard. I don't think he slips to the 6th round, but according to the list, that's where they have him. He has some big character flaws, but his upside is big. The team needs a playmaker in that LB group and with his skills he could be that person.

I really don't like Fasano at #36, he is 3rd round quality and there is no need to get him that high, if you're going to pick a TE that high it better be Vernon Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Leonard Pope, or maybe Dominique Byrd. I would also prefer to look OT in the 2nd, otherwise this isn't a bad combo of picks,

AustinJB
02-12-2006, 05:19 PM
No Trade:

1. Vince Young, QB
2. Daryn Colledge, OT
3a. Ray Edwards, DE
3b. Jonathan Joseph, CB
4. Joe Klopfenstein, TE
5. Rob Sims, OG <OR> Mark Setterstrom, OG (both possess same attributes)
6. Aaron Harris, MLB
7. Jeremy Bloom, WR

TexanBacker93
02-12-2006, 05:22 PM
I really don't like Fasano at #36, he is 3rd round quality and there is no need to get him that high, if you're going to pick a TE that high it better be Vernon Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Leonard Pope, or maybe Dominique Byrd. I would also prefer to look OT in the 2nd, otherwise this isn't a bad combo of picks,

I was going off the rules of the list where you could only draft a player that was rated lower than your current pick. Fasano is rated 50 on that list which would be mid to late 2nd round. Once the 65th pick comes around none of the top TEs are still available. I agree that it's too early, but with Pope and Lewis already gone if the Texans want a TE they might have to go a little earlier than possible. It could be possible to trade back in the 2nd round to pick him up later and maybe grab an extra 3rd round pick. I was also trying to fill their biggest needs, DE, OL, FS, CB, MLB, TE.

MorKnolle
02-12-2006, 10:33 PM
I was going off the rules of the list where you could only draft a player that was rated lower than your current pick. Fasano is rated 50 on that list which would be mid to late 2nd round. Once the 65th pick comes around none of the top TEs are still available. I agree that it's too early, but with Pope and Lewis already gone if the Texans want a TE they might have to go a little earlier than possible. It could be possible to trade back in the 2nd round to pick him up later and maybe grab an extra 3rd round pick. I was also trying to fill their biggest needs, DE, OL, FS, CB, MLB, TE.

Gotcha. I guess I overlooked that part.

This seems like a really old list with a lot of questionable ratings and some omissions (although heights and weights seem updated from the Senior Bowl), but I'll go ahead and add mine in here.

If we don't trade:
1) Reggie Bush, RB, USC - If we don't trade down he's our guy.
33) Nick Mangold, C/G, Ohio St. - I wouldn't pick him quite this high in real life but he's my favorite OLineman left in this model.
65) Maurice Stovall, WR, Notre Dame - I doubt he lasts this long but he's available on this list.
66) Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas - I'd rather get a better OT but at this point in the draft he's not a bad choice.
97) Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue - I don't know a whole lot about him and want a better DE, but in this scenario he's our guy.
129) Danieal Manning, CB/FS, Abilene Christian - Very nice athlete, a little raw skill-wise, but a great pick up this late.
161) Rocky McIntosh, LB, Miami - Available later according to this list, but Williams is too.
193) T.J. Williams, TE, N.C. State - He wasn't even on the list for some reason, I really like him as a TE and he's a steal here.
I don't like getting a DE so late in this one (and I'm not real fond of Edwards being our main DE acquisition), but by #33 the good ones that are left are all under-sized and there were good offensive players available, so that steered me away from them. This draft would help our offense out a lot, and Manning, Rocky, and Williams are great picks that late IMO.

If we trade #1 to the Jets for the #4, #36, and next year's 1st and 3rd (same deal as Chargers/Giants two years ago):
4) Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State - Mammouth DE, probably my #1 guy that I like for the Texans in this draft,
33) Nick Mangold, C/G, Ohio St. - I wouldn't pick him quite this high in real life but he's my favorite OLineman left in this model.
36) Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma - Also would not take him this high, but he's my top guy in the 36-64 bracket.
65) Maurice Stovall, WR, Notre Dame - I doubt he lasts this long but he's available on this list.
66) Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas - I'd rather get a better OT but at this point in the draft he's not a bad choice.
97) Gerrick McPhearson, CB, Maryland - I'd never take him this high, but he adds depth at CB.
129) Danieal Manning, CB/FS, Abilene Christian - Very nice athlete, a little raw skill-wise, but a great pick up this late.
161) Rocky McIntosh, LB, Miami - Available later according to this list, but Williams is too.
193) T.J. Williams, TE, N.C. State - He wasn't even on the list for some reason, I really like him as a TE and he's a steal here.

I still hope Eric Winston falls to the #33 spot, but Mangold, Joseph, and Scott should go a long ways to fixing our OLine problems, and Mario should be a beast of a DE. The last three picks are the same as my other scenario, T.J. Williams won't last until the 7th but in this simulation he's there and would be a great pickup that late. Rocky likely won't be there in the 6th in real life but he could fall that far. Manning hopefully will last until the 4th, he has great mix of size, speed, and strength and could play CB or FS, I don't think his coverage skills are that great yet, but he should be able to find a spot, and Hoke should be able to get him ready. I don't like taking McPhearson that high, but CB was our next biggest need, and he supposedly runs a 4.21 so if he really is that fast I'd take a chance on him and see what he can do.