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Blake
01-19-2006, 11:44 AM
Mine would go:

#1. A franchise Left Tackle. Ferguson.
#2. A all around TE, like Pope, Lewis, or Davis.
#3. A athletic guard, like Joseph.
#4: A cornerback.
#5: A linebacker.
#6: A defensive end.
#7: A quarterback.
For this senario, we would trade down to 4. Pick up a 2nd. Trade a 2nd, and 3rd, to get back into round 1, and get TE Lewis, or Pope. Then with our other 2nd round pick, we take OG Davin Joseph. Then we have 3,4,5,6, and 7 to work on depth, and defense.

So I would end up with:

Round1: LT D'brickaShaw Ferguson
Round1: TE Mercedes Lewis
Round2: OG Davin Joseph
Round3: Linebacker
Round4: Cornerback
Round5: Defensive End
Round6: Saftey
Round7: Quarterback

gtexan02
01-19-2006, 11:50 AM
Mine would be:
#1. Franchise LT
#2. Playmaking MLB
#3. Free Safety
#4. Blocking/Catching TE
#5. Guard
#6. CB

66cobra
01-19-2006, 12:16 PM
I don't like any of the current crop of LTs except Eric Winston. He has had his bad moments but he has a nasty streak which I don't think the others have (Ferguson, Scott, etc). I would still draft Bush 1st.

1st: Bush
2nd: Jean Gilles (OG)
3rd: OL
2nd 3rd: MLB
4th: DB
5th: OL
6th: S
7th: DT

Corrosion
01-19-2006, 12:24 PM
I think my opinion on this matter differs from the majority ....

Although I do agree that the O-line needs help its NOT the LT position that is the problem . Its the Center position . Everything starts there . This team needs a center that plays with a mean streak , someone who is just plain NASTY . Steve McKinney is NOT that guy . He's better suited to play guard . Finding a suitable player at center could allow McKinney to move back to his natural position of LG .

Next I'd have to say that this team is DESPERATE for a playmaker on defense in the front seven . Someone who teams gameplan to stay away from . Someone who wreaks HAVOC .... Considering the possible move to a 4-3 next season that would most liklely come in the form of a DE or ILB.

Third would be another recieving threat .... The Texans #2 WR was a UFA in the last off-season . (Corey Bradford) No team made him an offer ... Not One team out of the remaining 31 . To me this says he isnt good enough to be a back-up elsewhere much less start for another team .
I know he's fast but he's just a track guy tryin to make a living catching footballs ..... problem is he cant catch and he cant find a soft spot in a cover two to save his life . This position must get an upgrade before the offense can take play to its potential .

Fourth would have to be a second corner who can cover and tackle well . Not someone who wil either give up a big play or make a big play ... 50-50 wont cut it in the AFC South . D. Faggins isnt a starting calibur CB but is a Very Good Nickle corner . P-Burnt just cant play within the confines of the defense and is afraid to tackle .... waste of a roster spot .

Next would be a toss up between RG and TE ...Fred Weary probably wouldnt start for any other team in the league nad may not make the final roster for about 2/3 of the league ....
As for the TE position Bennie Joppru has been a total flop , be it just bad luck or poor conditioning . Mark Bruener has seen better days . Marcellus Rivers showed some promise at the position late in the year but this position needs some serious consideration .

Then we come to the QB position . The most scrutinized position in football .... The question here is simple . Is David Carr's lack of development directly attributed to the offensive line and scheme that has handcuffed him ? Or is it that Carr doenst have the mental make-up to be a NFL QB ? For me the jury is still out . After watching him take 200+ sacks over the past 4 seasons and with no real #2 threat at WR its just tough to judge ...... This could be the least of the Texans worries or it could be their #1 problem :stirpot:

MorKnolle
01-19-2006, 12:41 PM
I don't necessarily think the LT (Pitts) is a problem, but we need to bring in another OT that can compete for the LT spot and fill in at RT in the meantime. We need a C (hopefully LeCharles Bentley in free agency), an OG (Davin Joseph in 2nd round?), and maybe another OG in a later round (4th or maybe 5th) to sit under Wiegert for a year and prepare to take over that spot after Wiegert's contract is up. If we switch to a 4-3 defense, DE becomes a huge priority, otherwise a MLB and then one CB and maybe a coverage S, as well as a better TE.

1) C: Sign LeCharles Bentley

If we switch to a 4-3:
1) DE: trade down to #4 and either acquire John Abraham in the trade and look to trade down again and go with a DB/OL, or draft Mario Williams at #4.
2) OT/OG: acquire the #36 pick from the Jets in the aforementioned trade. The ideal situation would be for Eric Winston falls to #33 so we can grab Winston at #33 and then Davin Joseph at #36, that would fix up our OLine beautifully, but if we trade down a second time maybe look at Winston with our 1st rounder to ensure we get him or else go defense with that 1st.
3) CB: Look for the best CB available that is very athletic in the 3rd round unless we grab one in the 1st.
4) TE: If a very good TE falls to us at #66 grab him, otherwise look at LBs and grab a serviceable TE in the 4th.

Jerry
01-19-2006, 01:12 PM
1) Bookend tackle who will start at RT and maybe transition to LT if Pitts is not the answer there.
2) A ball-hawking free safety.
3) A dual-purpose tight end who can give Carr another option on offense and help out with blocking.
4) A cornerback to put opposite of D-Rob and actually cover WRs.
5) A guard to replace Weigert/McKinney either now or in the future.
6) A talented MLB whether we have a 4-3 or a 3-4.

Spoda
01-19-2006, 01:49 PM
1. not vince
2. not bush
3. the festering sore we've had for 4 years but refuse to help(O-Line)
4. for the love of God and all that is holy can we get a TE?
5. a passrush..i don't care how this gets done..4-3 ..new LBs new DEs or DTs....JUST GIT ER DUN
6. fire capers....sorry it just still comes out sometimes
7. gag and bind uncle charley so he doesn't have any clue when the draft is

cadahnic
01-19-2006, 02:11 PM
I gotta go with Mork on this one. Our major needs are passrush, coverage, and protection. I have recently been going over games and Dennison's blocking system to see who would fit in on our current team. Pitts, restructred G McKinney, Weigert for a year or so, Washington, and possibly Weary and Hogdon. LeCharles Bentley has to be a priority and we need to start as early as possible trying to lure him to our squad. When the draft hits we are trading down with the jets for a 1st,2nd,4th, next years 1st and 3rd(Giants Trade). Now we can take away the fourth and add a pick for them to get Abraham that is fine, but if we do we need to restructure or cut a couple of guys because he is going to get a nice salary. The fourth pick take Mario Williams, trade back into the first using the 3rd next year, a third this year, and one other pick not the second. Take Eric Winston or Huff, or Jimmy Williams whoever is there. First second rounder take Best G available, second second rounder you take best LB hopefully Manny Lawson. In the third I like Jonathan Joseph from South Carolina he is gonna be a steal imagine a slightly less athletic D-Rob. In the fouth it is steal time either go small school WR, Nick Mangold, or good non-reach TE(not in favor of drafting one but ok). With the rest of the pick you just go Best Athlete Available. Hopefully Devin Hester falls here and we can turn him into a WR or Reggie McNeal in the 5th and turn him.

tulexan
01-19-2006, 02:21 PM
If Antonio Cromartie is available in the 3rd, I wouldn't mind seeing us grab him. I think he is going to be a great NFL CB, but I don't know if he will slip all the way to us in the 3rd round. He is coming off of an injury, but 6'3 210 and runs in the 4.4s is too good to pass up.

MorKnolle
01-19-2006, 03:02 PM
I gotta go with Mork on this one. Our major needs are passrush, coverage, and protection. I have recently been going over games and Dennison's blocking system to see who would fit in on our current team. Pitts, restructred G McKinney, Weigert for a year or so, Washington, and possibly Weary and Hogdon. LeCharles Bentley has to be a priority and we need to start as early as possible trying to lure him to our squad. When the draft hits we are trading down with the jets for a 1st,2nd,4th, next years 1st and 3rd(Giants Trade). Now we can take away the fourth and add a pick for them to get Abraham that is fine, but if we do we need to restructure or cut a couple of guys because he is going to get a nice salary. The fourth pick take Mario Williams, trade back into the first using the 3rd next year, a third this year, and one other pick not the second. Take Eric Winston or Huff, or Jimmy Williams whoever is there. First second rounder take Best G available, second second rounder you take best LB hopefully Manny Lawson. In the third I like Jonathan Joseph from South Carolina he is gonna be a steal imagine a slightly less athletic D-Rob. In the fouth it is steal time either go small school WR, Nick Mangold, or good non-reach TE(not in favor of drafting one but ok). With the rest of the pick you just go Best Athlete Available. Hopefully Devin Hester falls here and we can turn him into a WR or Reggie McNeal in the 5th and turn him.

Once again great minds think alike. Some people like Mel Kiper have had Eric Winston falling to the 2nd round, so if that happens and we can grab him at #33 and grab Davin Joseph at #36 without having to trade back into the 1st round that would be great. After signing Bentley that would drastically improve our OLine and we can start looking for good/fast CBs, LBs and/or WRs or else a steal of a TE if one is available, but we don't need to reach on a 3rd round-quality TE with the first two picks in the 3rd round, only go after one if it's a great deal. Maybe add another OG in the 4th to groom under Wiegert for a year, and keep looking for WRs/CBs/LBs/coverage S.

Huge
01-19-2006, 03:07 PM
Ol/dl
Dl/ol
Lb
Db
Ol/dl
Dl/ol

rmartin65
01-19-2006, 03:14 PM
Franchise LT
Pass Rusher
All around TE
Center
Guard

Glacier
01-19-2006, 03:25 PM
I'll start with the Cowboys:

OT
OG
FS
BIG NT.
WR

Houston:

New GM
New Coach (there is hope here)
OL
TE
BIG NT.

humbleone
01-19-2006, 03:47 PM
Mine assumes (1) We get Bentley from the saints via FA (2) we trade our first pick for a young Pro-bowl player that fills one of our need positions (DE in a 4-3, LB or CB) and their 2 this year.

1) LT....D'Brick or Winston. Scott if we do a double trade (which I like)
2) Best value slip from round 1 (DE Hali, OT Scott, LB Ryans or Greenway)
2b) CB...Jason Allen (if health and combine workouts ok) otherwise OG Joseph
3a) OG...Davin Joseph
3b) TE...David Thomas
4) S...Dwayne Slay
5+ BA LB, OG, DL

And if we free enough cap money up with McKinney, Weigert, Coleman, Bradford, Washington and Bruener we might even be in the running to get Reggie Wayne to start opposite AJ!

Kubiak, a 4-3, new D coordinator, plus the above moves and we will rock next year IMO. :redtowel:

YoungTexanFan
01-19-2006, 04:01 PM
my turn. While most of you do not agree, as I can see from my reputation points sliding, here is my humble opinion.

LT is not the major need it once was. I do not think Pitts is the long term answer, but he works for me this year at least. I still believe he is a better OT than OG.

We have no true MLB.

We have no true FS

We lack depth at TE

We lack depth at DE

We lack a lot, but in order as of now, here are our needs as I see them:

If we switch to a 4-3:
DE - I would like to adress this spot with the Jets, either with a trade down for Mario, or a trade down involving Abraham. We could also just sign him during FA, since the NYJ are unlikely to match an offer.

MLB - Regardless of our system, we have no true MLB who is starting calibur on our roster. I am not sure how I would like to adress this, but maybe a developmental pick, a true MLB, not a DE/OLB convert. I'm thinking maybe a Jimmy Cottrell, Tim McGarigle, Tim Dobbins or a Nick Reid (look them up if you dont know them yet) for latter round picks. Our current LB situation does not really allow us to adress this in an early round, though it is a VERY big need, and was exposed this year and will be more so next year.

FS - Again, regardless of our system, we have no true FS. Colemen was a temporary fix, but has lost a few steps along with his passion. I do not want a 6th round SS starting at FS for my team. I like CC, he is a great back up seeing as he can play both safties, but we need a true FS. I am looking to upgrade here with Ko Simpson at pick #33. After Huff and Ko, the FS class really falls off for the next few rounds. I also think we need a SS, but only in the later rounds. I like Slay, but have a hard time fitting him into my mocks. I am projecting him as a 5th round pick.

OC - Steve McKinny is not the answer here, and most agree. Hodgen showed some positive improvement over him, but was injured. He did seem a bit undersized, but I like how he held up. However, all-world C LeCharles Bently is available this offseason. He is able to pull, and hold the point of attack against a bull rush. He has proven his ability and is worth whatever monitary compensation he request.

OG - Steve McKinny is our best OG, and he is only slightly better than adequate there. His contract will finally allow us to release him, though I would not be opposed to keeping him as a back up/mentor. Weigert is often injured, but is signed to an expensive contract. We could use an undersized rookie, to run in the zone scheme we are soon to employ. I would be looking for an OG in the third round, where we generally find the kind best suited for our new system.

This is all I feel like assessing right now, but here is how a mock (done off the top of my head) could look for us:

We trade our #1 to the NYJ for their #1, #2, John Abraham, and a 2007 #2.

We trade our new #1 to the 49ers for their #1, #3, and a 2007 #1

#1. kiwi DE, boston college
#2. ko simpson S, south carolina
#2. daryn colledge OT, boise state
#3. charles spencer OG, pittsburgh
#3. alan zemaitis CB, penn state
#3. jason spitz OG, louisville
#4. McIntosh LB, miami
#5. dwayne slay S, texas tech
#6. david thomas TE, texas
#7. aaron harries LB, texas

*edited with help from Mork and Coach. Help much appreciated.*

The Preacher
01-19-2006, 04:05 PM
I'll start with the Cowboys:

Houston:

New GM
New Coach (there is hope here)
OL
TE
BIG NT.

Cowboys are u serious


Trade to Jets #4 for extra #2 this year and extra #2 next year

#4 T Brick-must give Carr a glimmer of a chance
#33 CB Jason Allen-we need another tough CB and our two young safeties get a year to prove they're something
#39 MLB Abdul Hodge-showed in the bowl game he's unstoppable. We finally have our MLB. He'll get better about shedding blocks after beefing up some and he's played linebacker before.
#65 DE Ray Edwards-underrated junior falls due to attitude but just like TJ we hope circumstances will help him live up to his potential.
#66 TE Dominique Byrd-this assumes Bentley is aquired if not draft best G/C available and grab your TE with first pick of day 2.

Coach C.
01-19-2006, 04:12 PM
YTF you were doing so well until you had us picking a TE in the first round. Come on man, really a TE. One TE is not a major need. We have the best blocking TE a serviceable backup number 2 guy in Rivers and can pick up a pass catching tall type in FA or H-back type later in the draft around that 4th or 5th round. Other than that I like most of your picks except Ko simpson just because I dont think he will fall and we did not get one CB. Jonathan Joseph the corner from USCarolina is pretty talented and likely a third rounder. Daryn Colledge is not bad, but I would rather get a higher quality guy if I could. Slay is talented as a hitter, but is he really needed with two solid SS on our team already. A kicker is a wasted pick and we damn sure dont need to do that. Trade Roach for McIntosh who can play MLB with a little time will look very similar to Vilma. Also I would like to get Mangold, Eslinger, or Setterstrom somewere in there to eventually replace weigert.

MorKnolle
01-19-2006, 04:12 PM
my turn. While most of you do not agree, as I can see from my reputation points sliding, here is my humble opinion.

LT is not the major need it once was. I do not think Pitts is the long term answer, but he works for me this year at least. I still believe he is a better OT than OG.

We have no true MLB.

We have no true FS

We lack depth at TE

We lack depth at DE

We lack a lot, but in order as of now, here are our needs as I see them:

If we switch to a 4-3:
DE - I would like to adress this spot with the Jets, either with a trade down for Mario, or a trade down involving Abraham. We could also just sign him during FA, since the NYJ are unlikely to match an offer.

MLB - Regardless of our system, we have no true MLB who is starting calibur on our roster. I am not sure how I would like to adress this, but maybe a developmental pick, a true MLB, not a DE/OLB convert. I'm thinking maybe a Jimmy Cottrell, Tim McGarigle, Tim Dobbins or a Nick Reid (look them up if you dont know them yet) for latter round picks. Our current LB situation does not really allow us to adress this in an early round, though it is a VERY big need, and was exposed this year and will be more so next year.

FS - Again, regardless of our system, we have no true FS. Colemen was a temporary fix, but has lost a few steps along with his passion. I do not want a 6th round SS starting at FS for my team. I like CC, he is a great back up seeing as he can play both safties, but we need a true FS. I am looking to upgrade here with Ko Simpson at pick #33. After Huff and Ko, the FS class really falls off for the next few rounds. I also think we need a SS, but only in the later rounds. I like Slay, but have a hard time fitting him into my mocks. I am projecting him as a 5th round pick.

OC - Steve McKinny is not the answer here, and most agree. Hodgen showed some positive improvement over him, but was injured. He did seem a bit undersized, but I like how he held up. However, all-world C LeCharles Bently is available this offseason. He is able to pull, and hold the point of attack against a bull rush. He has proven his ability and is worth whatever monitary compensation he request.

OG - Steve McKinny is our best OG, and he is only slightly better than adequate there. His contract will finally allow us to release him, though I would not be opposed to keeping him as a back up/mentor. Weigert is often injured, but is signed to an expensive contract. We could use an undersized rookie, to run in the zone scheme we are soon to employ. I would be looking for an OG in the third round, where we generally find the kind best suited for our new system.

This is all I feel like assessing right now, but here is how a mock (done off the top of my head) could look for us:

We trade our #1 to the NYJ for their #1, #2, John Abraham, and a 2007 #2.

We trade our new #1 to the 49ers for their #1, #3, and a 2007 #1

#1. vernon davis TE, maryland
#2. ko simpson S, south carolina
#2. daryn colledge OT, boise state
#3. charles spencer OG, pittsburgh
#4. freddie roach LB, alabama
#5. dwayne slay S, texas tech
#6. josh huston K, ohio state
#7. aaron harries LB, texas

I feel you are a little misguided but it was a good effort and I generally like and respect your posts, so no damage to your rep from me. Anyways, I really do not like taking a TE in the 1st round, OLine is a much bigger concern and taking a TE at #6/7 is just insane to me regardless of how good they are, unless you are a very complete team that is missing that one piece to get over the edge. If we can get Abraham in a trade down that's fine and we don't need to look at DE, but if they won't give him up we need to get a DE somewhere, Mario Williams would be great if he puts up nice workout numbers and is decently fast. I agree we need a new FS, but isn't Sampson more of a hitter and not a coverage guy? I think we need more of a coverage guy, so if Sampson is that then fine, otherwise I'd look elsewhere, for one we could trade down the second time to Arizona rather than SF and grab Adrian Wilson from them, he's a hitter too but he's athletic enough to cover pretty well and he would be a nice addition. I think we can get a better OL than Colledge, I haven't been overly impressed but he's ok, I'd rather get an interior guy like Davin Joseph over him, plus I think Wiegert is fairly solid for another year, while McKinney had better restructure his deal and take a substantial pay cut or he's gone in my books. I don't know enough about some of your other guys to comment overly well, plus you only have us with one 3rd round pick when we should have three after that second trade down that you have (ours, Saints, 49ers).

Another thing, the 49ers are trying to rebuild their team, so I don't see them trading much off unless they are getting a shot at Bush, and at #4 they definitely don't get that chance. Their best bet at #4 would be going for D'Brick but I don't see them sending off two 1st round picks and a 3rd rounder for him, I'm not entirely sure they'd give that much up for Bush but definitely not that much for anyone else. From what I've heard from people that have relevant knowledge of the situation, to me it sounds more and more like we are going to draft Bush at #1 though, so we'll need to concentrate on OLine with our 2nd rounder (hopefully Eric Winston will fall that far as some have predicted) and go from there.

TheOgre
01-19-2006, 04:50 PM
1. OLT
2. TE
3. MLB
4. FS
5. DLE
6. OG
7. WR2
8. SS
9. CB2
10. C
11. K (?) - depends on if Kris Brown was throwing games or choking

Texans_Chick
01-19-2006, 05:13 PM
I'll start with the Cowboys:

OT
OG
FS
BIG NT.
WR



I think your post is in the wrong place. I suggest posting your suggestions here* (http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/archives/000351.html) where they belong.

:texflag:








*minor warning. do not click on link shortly after eating. and no, it is not a picture of Jerry Jones' new face.

Texans_Chick
01-19-2006, 05:15 PM
Yo Brick fans.

Do you have any word on whether he is healthy and/or has put on weight? Been looking for info and haven't found any.

Coach C.
01-19-2006, 05:23 PM
Last I heard he was working out with some performance guys and trying to put on weight. He was reportedly 288 during the bowl game so he desperately needs to add pounds. Not really a fan, but evaluating linemen for this year keeps my ear open.

YoungTexanFan
01-19-2006, 09:00 PM
YTF you were doing so well until you had us picking a TE in the first round. Come on man, really a TE. One TE is not a major need. We have the best blocking TE a serviceable backup number 2 guy in Rivers and can pick up a pass catching tall type in FA or H-back type later in the draft around that 4th or 5th round. Other than that I like most of your picks except Ko simpson just because I dont think he will fall and we did not get one CB. Jonathan Joseph the corner from USCarolina is pretty talented and likely a third rounder. Daryn Colledge is not bad, but I would rather get a higher quality guy if I could. Slay is talented as a hitter, but is he really needed with two solid SS on our team already. A kicker is a wasted pick and we damn sure dont need to do that. Trade Roach for McIntosh who can play MLB with a little time will look very similar to Vilma. Also I would like to get Mangold, Eslinger, or Setterstrom somewere in there to eventually replace weigert.

I dont support taking a TE in the first, and looking back, I was wrong to do it. I guess I just been taken for a ride on the Davis bandwagon. TE in the first is crazy. I was trying to think of guys I would actually want on my team. I want Ahmad Brooks and/or Poluzzney...but they are both back at school.

Colledge seems to fit our new system very well as an OT.

If we wanted a corner, I would rather have Youghbody from Ohio St.

Slay is not a need, but I've been on his band wagon for a while, and I do not see that changing. He is a ballhawk, but he just waits for someone else to catch it first. :rolleyes:

Kicker in the draft will be a wasted pick, but this was a throw around. But in all seriousness, we do need a new, young kicker to push Brown. Brown has one year left. He is deverting back to his days in Pitt.

The more I watch McIntosh, the more he impresses me with his instincts and ability and willingness to tackle. He will wind up in one of my mocks. He was in them before you know. :spy:

All three of the players you mentioned would be great additions to our new zone scheme, but I was trying to spread the wealth in the version. I have us taking a top OG for our system, along with THE top OT for our system.

YoungTexanFan
01-19-2006, 09:04 PM
I feel you are a little misguided but it was a good effort and I generally like and respect your posts, so no damage to your rep from me. Anyways, I really do not like taking a TE in the 1st round, OLine is a much bigger concern and taking a TE at #6/7 is just insane to me regardless of how good they are, unless you are a very complete team that is missing that one piece to get over the edge. If we can get Abraham in a trade down that's fine and we don't need to look at DE, but if they won't give him up we need to get a DE somewhere, Mario Williams would be great if he puts up nice workout numbers and is decently fast. I agree we need a new FS, but isn't Sampson more of a hitter and not a coverage guy? I think we need more of a coverage guy, so if Sampson is that then fine, otherwise I'd look elsewhere, for one we could trade down the second time to Arizona rather than SF and grab Adrian Wilson from them, he's a hitter too but he's athletic enough to cover pretty well and he would be a nice addition. I think we can get a better OL than Colledge, I haven't been overly impressed but he's ok, I'd rather get an interior guy like Davin Joseph over him, plus I think Wiegert is fairly solid for another year, while McKinney had better restructure his deal and take a substantial pay cut or he's gone in my books. I don't know enough about some of your other guys to comment overly well, plus you only have us with one 3rd round pick when we should have three after that second trade down that you have (ours, Saints, 49ers).

Another thing, the 49ers are trying to rebuild their team, so I don't see them trading much off unless they are getting a shot at Bush, and at #4 they definitely don't get that chance. Their best bet at #4 would be going for D'Brick but I don't see them sending off two 1st round picks and a 3rd rounder for him, I'm not entirely sure they'd give that much up for Bush but definitely not that much for anyone else. From what I've heard from people that have relevant knowledge of the situation, to me it sounds more and more like we are going to draft Bush at #1 though, so we'll need to concentrate on OLine with our 2nd rounder (hopefully Eric Winston will fall that far as some have predicted) and go from there.

I'm editing my posted mock from Davis to Kiwi. Two top tier, young DE's will never hurt. Kiwi gets a year to learn. We would have the best danged young D-line. Walker, Payne, Smith, TJ. Kiwi rotates with walker.

SF is a toss up to me. They need help, but they need top talent help.

Ko Simpson is a ballhawking FS to the extreme. He is a player, simply put. He is not overly fast and not an overly agressive hitter. He plays the ball, which is what I want from my FS.

MorKnolle
01-19-2006, 10:55 PM
I'm editing my posted mock from Davis to Kiwi. Two top tier, young DE's will never hurt. Kiwi gets a year to learn. We would have the best danged young D-line. Walker, Payne, Smith, TJ. Kiwi rotates with walker.

SF is a toss up to me. They need help, but they need top talent help.

Ko Simpson is a ballhawking FS to the extreme. He is a player, simply put. He is not overly fast and not an overly agressive hitter. He plays the ball, which is what I want from my FS.

Again, I don't see San Francisco trading up unless they are assured of getting Bush, I don't think they'd bother moving up for anyone else. That said, John Abraham and either Mario Williams or Kiwi would make a nice tandem of DEs in a 4-3, and then Robaire, Walker, Payne, and TJ will have to rotate at the DT spots, and one could end up being cut, Payne would be the most likely one to go. Not a bad plan though.

YoungTexanFan
01-20-2006, 08:10 AM
Again, I don't see San Francisco trading up unless they are assured of getting Bush, I don't think they'd bother moving up for anyone else. That said, John Abraham and either Mario Williams or Kiwi would make a nice tandem of DEs in a 4-3, and then Robaire, Walker, Payne, and TJ will have to rotate at the DT spots, and one could end up being cut, Payne would be the most likely one to go. Not a bad plan though.

ehh, its all just a work in progress.

I still havent done enough research into past trades by each team, each teams #1 need and if a team has locked onto a player they want.

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 10:20 AM
ehh, its all just a work in progress.

I still havent done enough research into past trades by each team, each teams #1 need and if a team has locked onto a player they want.

The free agency period before the draft could really change things around too as some teams will cut players or lose them to free agency while other teams will bring in free agents to fill their current needs, and a couple trades might go down too, so right now it really is too early to make an accurate mock draft, which is why I'm holding off on mine until mid-April, although certainly coming up with your hopeful picks for us or something like that is great, I've bounced some ideas around on some threads but outside of that and then starting a couple threads like our player's contract info and stuff I haven't sat down and come up with my "ideal/hopeful plan" yet.

yourfavoritetexan42
01-20-2006, 01:28 PM
I think we must fix our o line, but we can easily do that with free agency and a good offseason program. The Texans strategy last year was to slip down our o linemen and make them quick, of course we are going to get overpowered and dominated when the other teams d linemen are bigger than our o linemen.

Sometimes i see people on these forums talk football too much by paper etc.

You watch the texans, we need a playmaker.

Reggie Bush first pick first round, he is a play maker, andre johnson cant do everything, two big time play makers, you have an offense.

2nd round we need a tight end, kubiak knows how to use a TE and Fasano will def. drop to 2nd round, and if not there is 3 other 1st round quality TEs.

next 5 rounds we need a safety, linebacker, d linemen, and a receiver/corner...we need someone to step up and give another target for carr, and a corner to come in on nickel packages or dime packages.

MorKnolle
01-20-2006, 02:40 PM
I think we must fix our o line, but we can easily do that with free agency and a good offseason program. The Texans strategy last year was to slip down our o linemen and make them quick, of course we are going to get overpowered and dominated when the other teams d linemen are bigger than our o linemen.

Sometimes i see people on these forums talk football too much by paper etc.

You watch the texans, we need a playmaker.

Reggie Bush first pick first round, he is a play maker, andre johnson cant do everything, two big time play makers, you have an offense.

2nd round we need a tight end, kubiak knows how to use a TE and Fasano will def. drop to 2nd round, and if not there is 3 other 1st round quality TEs.

next 5 rounds we need a safety, linebacker, d linemen, and a receiver/corner...we need someone to step up and give another target for carr, and a corner to come in on nickel packages or dime packages.

There are only two good OLinemen in free agency and LeCharles Bentley is the only one I think we have a decent chance of grabbing, so we have to look for a couple in the draft. Fasano will likely be around in the 3rd round, so using #33 on him would be a waste, as it would on almost any TE given our current team needs.

TheOgre
01-20-2006, 02:59 PM
Kicker in the draft will be a wasted pick, but this was a throw around. But in all seriousness, we do need a new, young kicker to push Brown. Brown has one year left. He is deverting back to his days in Pitt.


Hinnie Field (I know it is Heinz) is the worst place to kick in football. It was even worst that first year (2001). Brown missed 10 FG's at home that year (I think he missed 12 for the year, but I could be mistaken about that). To be fair, though, the only opposing kicker to make a FG there all year was Raven's kicker Matt Stover (he had 2). That is 7 other games where the opposing kickers didn't make a single FG. Pretty telling if you ask me. The end of this season is the only time I really remember Brown looking horrible on his own.

YoungTexanFan
01-20-2006, 03:08 PM
Hinnie Field (I know it is Heinz) is the worst place to kick in football. It was even worst that first year (2001). Brown missed 10 FG's at home that year (I think he missed 12 for the year, but I could be mistaken about that). To be fair, though, the only opposing kicker to make a FG there all year was Raven's kicker Matt Stover (he had 2). That is 7 other games where the opposing kickers didn't make a single FG. Pretty telling if you ask me. The end of this season is the only time I really remember Brown looking horrible on his own.

While I realize that most of those missed attempts were at home, he choked, purposly or not, at our home this at the end of this year and last. I am not suggesting a Mike Nugent pick, just a UDFA rookie or two for competion and grooming. It is at the bottem of my priority list however...right next to QB and RB. :stirpot: :ok:

swtbound07
01-20-2006, 03:08 PM
I think we must fix our o line, but we can easily do that with free agency and a good offseason program. The Texans strategy last year was to slip down our o linemen and make them quick, of course we are going to get overpowered and dominated when the other teams d linemen are bigger than our o linemen.

Sometimes i see people on these forums talk football too much by paper etc.

You watch the texans, we need a playmaker.

Reggie Bush first pick first round, he is a play maker, andre johnson cant do everything, two big time play makers, you have an offense.

2nd round we need a tight end, kubiak knows how to use a TE and Fasano will def. drop to 2nd round, and if not there is 3 other 1st round quality TEs.

next 5 rounds we need a safety, linebacker, d linemen, and a receiver/corner...we need someone to step up and give another target for carr, and a corner to come in on nickel packages or dime packages.


if its so easy to repair an o-line through free agency, how come we havent bothered to do it in 4 years? todd wade? really?

66cobra
01-20-2006, 03:10 PM
MorKnolle,
It appears from your other threads in the draft forum that you and I think alike. After the first round pick (whoever it may be), I think OL (and at least a MLB) should be addressed in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I would like to see Mangold or Eslinger for the C position and move McKinney to guard. I think that TE could be addressed in later rounds (Klopfenstein from Colorado? or even David Thomas from UT). Who do you see as a possible fit for MLB?

YoungTexanFan
01-20-2006, 03:13 PM
if its so easy to repair an o-line through free agency, how come we havent bothered to do it in 4 years? todd wade? really?

because its not.

When was the last time you recall a top 5 LT on the FA market?

it also helps to have a competent staff.

swtbound07
01-20-2006, 03:15 PM
that would be..hmm...never. You have to build your lines through the draft, and you have to build your lines before you get flashy players. We do neither of these things.:brickwall

YoungTexanFan
01-20-2006, 03:27 PM
that would be..hmm...never. You have to build your lines through the draft, and you have to build your lines before you get flashy players. We do neither of these things.:brickwall

true.

We do however, have a chance to sign Bently. That will help our line a lot.

dat_boy_yec
01-20-2006, 11:10 PM
I won't waste times with trade scenarios so here goes how I would see it in the draft as it is.

1st rd. Bush, regardless of what many believe he is the best option at #1 if we don't trade.
2nd rd. If Winston falls this far I would definetely pick him up. If not I would take Fasano, D'qwell Jackson, or best defensive player available that would fit our scheme.
3rd rd. Colledge or KO simpson if they're available, or best OL, TE, or defensive player, we have two picks so I'm pretty sure one will be good.
4th rd. linemen
5th rd. defense
6th rd. defense
7th rd. linemen

beerlover
01-21-2006, 03:04 AM
I dont support taking a TE in the first, and looking back, I was wrong to do it. I guess I just been taken for a ride on the Davis bandwagon. TE in the first is crazy.


you are not wrong that you are wrong your just wrong :rolleyes: I wish for the love of God that the Texans would have been the smart ones and drafted Heath Miller. He was supposed to be a top 20 player and you know what? that's exactly what he turned out to be. I was active in the know and scouting him too and you could see he could stretch the field, had decent hands & speed, ran Pro routes, blocked downfield & at the line, but what was lacking is he was playing on a underachieving football team that could not beat Fresno State and besides him they had D'Brickashaw Ferguson, your Ahmad Brooks, Darryl Blackstock who I was sure the Texans would draft to play OLB (3rd rd. to Arizona) Alvin Pearman RB drafted in the 4th rd. by the Jags and Chris Canty now of the Cowboys another steal.

YoungTexanFan
01-21-2006, 08:24 AM
you are not wrong that you are wrong your just wrong :rolleyes: I wish for the love of God that the Texans would have been the smart ones and drafted Heath Miller. He was supposed to be a top 20 player and you know what? that's exactly what he turned out to be. I was active in the know and scouting him too and you could see he could stretch the field, had decent hands & speed, ran Pro routes, blocked downfield & at the line, but what was lacking is he was playing on a underachieving football team that could not beat Fresno State and besides him they had D'Brickashaw Ferguson, your Ahmad Brooks, Darryl Blackstock who I was sure the Texans would draft to play OLB (3rd rd. to Arizona) Alvin Pearman RB drafted in the 4th rd. by the Jags and Chris Canty now of the Cowboys another steal.

Yes, I also like him, but I could not rip myself away from wanting DJ. I am a :homer: no more.

I just don't think a first round TE outweighs our other NEEDS. While I wish we were close enough to take a TE in the first round, you and I have had our eye on Greg Olsen all year.

beerlover
01-21-2006, 12:23 PM
back to the topic at hand, listing draft needs by order-

1st pick- BPA. Reggie Bush or Vince Young which ever one grades out the highest.

2nd pick- DL. If the Texans switch to a 4-3 they need a pass rushing end Tamba Hali, Manny Lawson, Daryl Tapp or Elvis Dumervil. If the Texans stay with the 3-4 DT Rod Wright, Orien Harris or Broderick Bunkley.

3a. OL. Pitts can stay @ LT as far as I'm concerned but a RT or Roadgrading Guard should be a priority here, Davin Joseph OG or Quinn Ojinnaka RT.

3b. CB/S. Cedric Griffen CB, Bernard Pollard SS.

4. TE. Joe Klopfenstein, David Thomas or Jeff King.

5. OL. Donovan Railoa, Will Allen or Taitusi Lutui.

6. DB/WR. Chijioke Oyengecha DB, Greg Threat SS, Travis Wilson WR

7. QB. Drew Olsen, Paul Pinegar, Bruce Eugene

Mightymike
01-21-2006, 01:36 PM
Offense
LT
TE
#2 WR

Defense
DE
playmaking LB
FS, #2 CB

run-david-run
01-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Nice idea, here's my list.
1. Interior linemen-Pitts is better then any rookie we will find,thus, we get a LT, allowing Pitts to move back to LG. -D'Brick
2. Interior linemen-McKinney is terrible, Weigert cant stay on the field- go after Bently, draft Davin Joseph with the #33 pick.
3. MLB-Abdul Hodge with 2nd round pick (after trade down), if not, Aaron Harris from UT in the 3rd/4th.
4. CB #2/3. Hopefuly Buchanon can develop into a solid #2, if not, we should go after Griffin from UT or Minter from Georgia.
5. TE- i think this was more scheme then personel, we dont use the TE in our offense, if Kubiak uses Rivers/Joppru, we might be surprised by their talent.

Napa Auto Parts
01-21-2006, 02:48 PM
1.QB
2.O-Line
3 Defense
4. Te

YoungTexanFan
01-21-2006, 11:47 PM
back to the topic at hand, listing draft needs by order-

1st pick- BPA. Reggie Bush or Vince Young which ever one grades out the highest.

2nd pick- DL. If the Texans switch to a 4-3 they need a pass rushing end Tamba Hali, Manny Lawson, Daryl Tapp or Elvis Dumervil. If the Texans stay with the 3-4 DT Rod Wright, Orien Harris or Broderick Bunkley.

3a. OL. Pitts can stay @ LT as far as I'm concerned but a RT or Roadgrading Guard should be a priority here, Davin Joseph OG or Quinn Ojinnaka RT.

3b. CB/S. Cedric Griffen CB, Bernard Pollard SS.

4. TE. Joe Klopfenstein, David Thomas or Jeff King.

5. OL. Donovan Railoa, Will Allen or Taitusi Lutui.

6. DB/WR. Chijioke Oyengecha DB, Greg Threat SS, Travis Wilson WR

7. QB. Drew Olsen, Paul Pinegar, Bruce Eugene

I would love to see Drew Olsen there in the 7th.

beerlover
01-22-2006, 12:20 AM
I would love to see Drew Olsen there in the 7th.

He could seriously slip, he has a great frame & arm to support. I would also like to add to the list 3a. Rob Sims, Ohio State. you know Davin won't be there in the 3rd so I'll add Rob to that list.

to the 5th rd. pick add Joe Toledo OT UW.

to the 6th rd. add Dwayne Slay SS Tech Tech.

to the 7th rd. add Reggie McNeil (but to the top of that list ahead of Olsen) :)