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yako0o
01-17-2006, 05:14 PM
Jet Fan here, just trying to give you guys an objective opinion.

--I think the Pressure on your org. is tremendous in this draft to take Reggie or Vince but in reality there might be a chance neither is the RIGHT pick. Im really interested to see what the texan do, and As a fan you guys are going to hav a fun offseason.

Your new coach is Gary Kubiac, who runs a zone blocking scheme. Now I know this is discussed at times on your board but lets keep it simple. Its made for running between the tackles, and bigger guys, and involves usually 2 options. One is the original, and the other is a cut back(Called the one cut system by some). The bigger backs who have had success include Rueben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Terrel Davis, and Eddie George.

Reggie Bush does not fit this mold. Firstly he is an amazing returner(punt/kick), but most believe he wont be returning especially when you guys have a PRO BOWLER at returner. So Lets take returning out of the situation, and we have his pass catching ability which I have rarely seen in Denver. Now we have running style:
---Bush has not proven he can run between the tackles. He has amazing acceleration, good speed, and excels running on the outside. He has great hands, and catches out of the backfield. He has not proven he can take many carries consecutively, as well in a games entirity. He does not fit the system.

Now, His teammate, LW does, and suprisingly I believe he does alot more then RB. First I know your thinking hes slow--its deceptive. He came into college and has run a 4.43--google it. LW is BIGG, hes a bruising back that came into games when teams were loading up to stop the run and succeeded. He runs in between the tackles great. He has great vision, and it shooting up in the eyes of Draft gurus right now. Given the right opportunity like Gary Kubiacs scheme I believe he can easily win ROY next year.

So what happens when you draft a guy in one system and play him in another? Well Im gonna list a few-- Ron Dayne was AMAZING in college ina one cut system, and the giants put him in a different one running outside, and basically what Tiki Barber has become. Ron went back to the one cut system this year, and had some success AVG 5 ypc. Brian Westbrook for a few games was running for a few games with little success, and then the Eagles switched to a EXTREME version of the WCO to take advantage of him.

Last notes

--I think that you guys are ina great position. You could trade down, Get LW and get MUCH MUCH more then Eli Manning did the chargers.

--Lendale White had about the same amount of yards and 8 MORE td's the Reggie Bush in there three years. Again he did this alot when teams were stacking the line playing from behind.


Alot of draft experts are comparing Lendale White to Larry Johnson. At usc they call LW "the law", as hes a tough one to bring down. You guys have seen what Larry Johnson have done. Why the comparison? The running style packages with their measurables in which LW is faster.

Larry Johnson RB | (6-1, 228, 4.6)
Lendale White Rb (6-2, 235, 4.43

I know you guys are locked on Bush/VY, but I just wanted to throw out a different viewpoint for you. All I know is the season is not even over and Mcnair is throwing Smoke screens already lol.

Thoughts ? LW perhaps @ 6 or 7?

Mario Williams
01-17-2006, 05:23 PM
Hmm... so Lendale is better than Bush.

eriadoc
01-17-2006, 05:28 PM
LenDale will be a better pro back than Bush. Book it.

bpergrem3
01-17-2006, 05:29 PM
Looks like the Jets will be able to pick him up where they pick. Lucky them.:rolleyes:

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 05:32 PM
I'm not sure I would do this but I enjoyed the post. Very well presented. He is a horse.

TEXANS84
01-17-2006, 05:37 PM
Saw LenDale in an interview on ESPN the other day, and he looked pretty overweight. But he fits the needs of a team needing a north/south back. We've already failed in that area once (Stacey Mack).

TreWardTxn
01-17-2006, 06:02 PM
I do not see the benefit Reggie Bush will provide the Texans due to the megacontract he will receive as the first pick. Domanick Davis is a better between the tackle runner and catches well out the backfield. Let's remember that running backs have to block also. You can't have a guy who, everytime he is in the game the offense can't max protect, or in short yardage situations, it tips the defense off that a pass play is coming (Bush is not a short yardage back). If you want a receiver, get a receiver. I just not sure if the Texans should spend $60M to become the best screen-running team in the league...

yako0o
01-17-2006, 06:04 PM
I'm not sure I would do this but I enjoyed the post. Very well presented. He is a horse.

Thanks Frogger, it was the point of it.

I dont think anyone else read it through.

I never said LW is a better player. I said LW would be better for the texans system, and when you can get a player at 6 or 7 that fits your system better then the guy @1, it should be considered.

The texans could end up with Multiple first round picks, an extra second rounder, and get a guy better for there system.

I think some texan fans are getting drawn into the Hyper machine that is Vince Young, and Reggie Bush. Both are great prospects but did you notice how much they skyrocketed after one game?

I called it Reggie Bush BFN(Before Fresno State), and AFS as after that game he instantly became a lock for the number 1 pick, and best college back ever.

If Reggie Bush was so dominant, how come he didnt even have better stats then the guy in the same backfield? Google it, LW had a better career at Rb.

I think Texan Fans should look at their coach and why they hired him. Kubiac strengths are RB and offensive line, those are the places you need the least help.

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 06:08 PM
You just couldn't pick him with the first pick. No way. But, Lendale is going to be a fantastic pro. I think it's hard to compare him to Reggie, but I like Lendale better because of his ability to run between the tackles. I do think the Texans would be well served to think about how little an advantage Bush's speed gives you when faced with NFL quality DBs and LBs. Lendale will be a great mid to late first round pickup and will contribute.

AD is hands down though the best college RB right now. Unfortunately, nobody can get their hands on him until next year.

JDizzle
01-17-2006, 06:12 PM
If we were to move back for an RB (which we're not going to do), then look no further than DeAngelo Williams if you want the horse.

Or, move back, take Mario Williams and take your shot at Adrian Peterson next year :)

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 06:16 PM
If we were to move back for an RB (which we're not going to do), then look no further than DeAngelo Williams if you want the horse.

Or, move back, take Mario Williams and take your shot at Adrian Peterson next year :)

If you move back then move back to take a defensive player. Taking a position where you have some good young depth never made alot of sense to begin with did it?

bigTEXan8
01-17-2006, 06:22 PM
I think that where Bush will have the higher YPC, total yards, and total TDs at the end of his career, White will have the more rushing yards and rushing TDs at the end of his career. But then the next question is going to be is who will have the longer career. White would in theory, who will be an every down back in my opinion, will have a shorter career, because he'll average 20+ carries a game. Bush will average between 10-15 carries.
Now on the Texans front, I think that White would be a greater compliment to DD, who I think we should keep. I just wonder when White is going to go in the draft. If he was available in the 2nd round, I'd take himin a heart beat, that's if we trade away our first pick and get De'Brick with our first pick.

MightyTExan
01-17-2006, 06:24 PM
LenDale reminds me of Bettis
He could be the "thunder".

JDizzle
01-17-2006, 06:24 PM
If you move back then move back to take a defensive player. Taking a position where you have some good young depth never made alot of sense to begin with did it?

If you read the thread owner's first post, he's the one that made the suggestion we trade back for Lendale White. I more or less said that Deangelo Williams is a better RB than he is, I wasn't agreeing that we should move back and target a RB. I also suggested we draft Mario Williams (a defensive end) and take a shot at Adrian Peterson (a running back) next year.

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 06:32 PM
If you read the thread owner's first post, he's the one that made the suggestion we trade back for Lendale White. I more or less said that Deangelo Williams is a better RB than he is, I wasn't agreeing that we should move back and target a RB. I also suggested we draft Mario Williams (a defensive end) and take a shot at Adrian Peterson (a running back) next year.

OK. I wasn't disagreeing with all of your post, just the idea that we trade down and then pick up DeAngelo. I'd think that any discussion of defensive players would have to begin with AJ Hawk. That guy could be the cornerstone of a fantastic D and is a real difference maker. I wish we had lost the Reggie Bowl at this point because I think Hawk is the better choice anyway and we'd have been set to pick him in the right order.

JDizzle
01-17-2006, 06:42 PM
I agree, we need a defensive superstar pretty bad and if we trade back we should do it and target the best defensive player in the draft.

Kaiser Toro
01-17-2006, 06:44 PM
LenDale will be a better pro back than Bush. Book it.

Invoice is on the way. :)

I think White has the tools to have the biggest impact on a team next year.

stevo3883
01-17-2006, 06:47 PM
White reminds me of Ron Dayne so much that its scary.

HOOK'EM
01-17-2006, 06:47 PM
How can you say Bush cant run between the tackles in the NFL, they said the same thing about DD in his scouting report coming into the league he was suppose to be no more than a punt returner and 3rd down back. :ok:

LBC_Justin
01-17-2006, 07:09 PM
Jet Fan here, just trying to give you guys an objective opinion.

--I think the Pressure on your org. is tremendous in this draft to take Reggie or Vince but in reality there might be a chance neither is the RIGHT pick. Im really interested to see what the texan do, and As a fan you guys are going to hav a fun offseason. I agree it is going to be fun. But both of those picks might be right for us.


Your new coach is Gary Kubiac, who runs a zone blocking scheme. Now I know this is discussed at times on your board but lets keep it simple. Its made for running between the tackles, and bigger guys, and involves usually 2 options. One is the original, and the other is a cut back(Called the one cut system by some). The bigger backs who have had success include Rueben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Terrel Davis, and Eddie George.

Reggie Bush does not fit this mold.
wrong wrong wrong wrong
Reggie Bush 6-0, 200 <- College Weight (he'll be 205 - 210 by the first game.)
Terrell Davis 5-11, 210 lbs
Clinton Portis 5-11, 205 lbs
Reuben Droughns 5-11, 207 lbs
Mike Anderson 6-0, 230 <-only really big back.

Denver's system is the PERFECT system for a guy like REGGIE BUSH.

Your right Lendale White is going to be a stud. I would love to have him on our team. But he is different than Larry Johnson. Larry Johnson averaged more Yards per Carry than Lendale White did in College. I think Lendale is going to make some team really happy. But if we aren't talking about taking a Superstar playmaker and are talking about Trading down...than the Texans have other needs than running back.

DRAMA
01-17-2006, 07:30 PM
Denver's system is the PERFECT system for a guy like REGGIE BUSH.


In Denver's one-step, cut, read, go type of running game - Bush would indeed be a perfect fit. I mean, Portis was GREAT in that offense. If Bush can indded read defenses the way it seems, and he has the vision that I think he does - he'll be a great, great fit IMHO!

LBC_Justin
01-17-2006, 07:38 PM
If Reggie Bush was so dominant, how come he didnt even have better stats then the guy in the same backfield? Google it, LW had a better career at Rb.

I don't know where you get your research from but your wrong.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamStats?statsId=62
2005 Bush was a better Runner and a better Reciever. Averaging 2 yards per carry more than LW.(Lendale White was the goal line back, so he got more touch downs.) I live in Southen California about 20 minutes from the USC campus. I saw every game. Anyone who says Lendale White is better than Reggie Bush hasn't seen the games PERIOD.
2004 Bush averge over a yard per carry more.
2003 Bush averaged more yards per carry than LenDale White.
The big difference is that Bush is getting better and better in incredible way and is putting up the freaky kind of numbers that several of the NFL Hall of Fame running backs put up when they were in college.


I think Texan Fans should look at their coach and why they hired him. Kubiac strengths are RB and offensive line, those are the places you need the least help. OK you apparently know ZERO about the Texans.
The last FOUR years we have had the WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN NFL HISTORY. Google it. See how many sacks we have given up. Tell me if we need help on our O-line.

LBC_Justin
01-17-2006, 07:46 PM
The last FOUR years we have had the WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN NFL HISTORY. Google it. See how many sacks we have given up. Tell me if we need help on our O-line.
LOL i just googled
"Worst Offensive line in NFL History"

A few links down was
"Houston Texans 2006 NFL Draft - NFL Draft Needs of the Houston Texans:
1 wide receiver in the NFL, but still has some work to do. Their No. ... Houston is
home to arguably the worst offensive line in football"

run-david-run
01-17-2006, 08:53 PM
Thanks Frogger, it was the point of it.

I dont think anyone else read it through.

I never said LW is a better player. I said LW would be better for the texans system, and when you can get a player at 6 or 7 that fits your system better then the guy @1, it should be considered.

The texans could end up with Multiple first round picks, an extra second rounder, and get a guy better for there system.

I think some texan fans are getting drawn into the Hyper machine that is Vince Young, and Reggie Bush. Both are great prospects but did you notice how much they skyrocketed after one game?

I called it Reggie Bush BFN(Before Fresno State), and AFS as after that game he instantly became a lock for the number 1 pick, and best college back ever.

If Reggie Bush was so dominant, how come he didnt even have better stats then the guy in the same backfield? Google it, LW had a better career at Rb.

I think Texan Fans should look at their coach and why they hired him. Kubiac strengths are RB and offensive line, those are the places you need the least help.
Yes, I think your argument was very well made, except that LW is very simillar to DD... there really is no need to draft him. As you have pointed out, Bush does not fit our system, thus we are left with the trade down alternative. Get D'Brick, then Davin Joseph, Abdul Hodge if he slipps, then Dave THomas, Demario Minter and someone like Dwayne Slay. That right there brings in 6 new players, not counting the 4-7 rounds and FA that could at least compete for the starting jobs. While starting 6 rookies is not the best plan, not all of them will immediately start and could inject our team with some much needed talent. By not trading down we would lose out on D'Brick, Hodge (if he slips) and Thomas or Minter.....is Bush/VY really worth that much to you?

FILO_girl
01-17-2006, 08:57 PM
Been waiting for the LenDale threads to start. Now, D'Brick should be next. Gotta love the ferver (or is that fever?) of this board. :)

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 09:00 PM
Yes, I think your argument was very well made, except that LW is very simillar to DD... there really is no need to draft him. As you have pointed out, Bush does not fit our system, thus we are left with the trade down alternative. Get D'Brick, then Davin Joseph, Abdul Hodge if he slipps, then Dave THomas, Demario Minter and someone like Dwayne Slay. That right there brings in 6 new players, not counting the 4-7 rounds and FA that could at least compete for the starting jobs. While starting 6 rookies is not the best plan, not all of them will immediately start and could inject our team with some much needed talent. By not trading down we would lose out on D'Brick, Hodge (if he slips) and Thomas or Minter.....is Bush/VY really worth that much to you?

I have a problem with Brick!!One, I'm not a fan of drafting O-lineman that high and I don't think that has been Denver's M.O. Secondly I have seen two draft pieces that has him dropping because he had an inconsistent senior year and was injured. anyone know anymore information on this. Considering this draft is loaded with skill players and we might not get this chance again I think we can take Bush/VY, whomever and then get O-line and TE with the other 3 of the 66 picks we have high. If I traded down I would go D playmaker. If Kubiak runs the exact Denver zone blocking, they use smaller, faster lineman.

eriadoc
01-17-2006, 09:29 PM
Been waiting for the LenDale threads to start. Now, D'Brick should be next. Gotta love the ferver (or is that fever?) of this board. :)

I've been saying for quite some time that we need to take a stud left tackle inthe 1st round and that LenDale White will be a better pro back than RB. It just gets lost in the deluge of 'VY is GOD" posts or "OMG we have to take Bush!" posts.

If I had my way, we'd take the best LT in the 1st round, LB or DE (depending on next year's def. scheme) in the 2nd round, TE in the 3rd round, and either LB or G in the 4th. 3rd and 4th rounds could flip-flop, depending on many variables. The point is, address real needs instead of window dressing.

yako0o
01-17-2006, 09:37 PM
I don't know where you get your research from but your wrong.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamStats?statsId=62
2005 Bush was a better Runner and a better Reciever. Averaging 2 yards per carry more than LW.(Lendale White was the goal line back, so he got more touch downs.) I live in Southen California about 20 minutes from the USC campus. I saw every game. Anyone who says Lendale White is better than Reggie Bush hasn't seen the games PERIOD.
2004 Bush averge over a yard per carry more.
2003 Bush averaged more yards per carry than LenDale White.
The big difference is that Bush is getting better and better in incredible way and is putting up the freaky kind of numbers that several of the NFL Hall of Fame running backs put up when they were in college.

Quote:
Originally Posted by yako0o
I think Texan Fans should look at their coach and why they hired him. Kubiac strengths are RB and offensive line, those are the places you need the least help.
OK you apparently know ZERO about the Texans.
The last FOUR years we have had the WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN NFL HISTORY. Google it. See how many sacks we have given up. Tell me if we need help on our O-line.

Dont be so touchy, I could tell you sweat Bush--its hard not too. BUT, If you want to start arguing and posting only the stats that favor your argument I could do the same:

Using stats, Lets check out LW vs RB

RUNNING the football Lendale White has 52 TOUCHDOWNS at USC, Reggie Bush has 25. LW DOUBLED his Rushing Td total.

Why am I just emphasizing rushing? Because Im just going by what your HC has done. His Rb's catch a few passes a game if anything. Yes, Reggie will be out there at times, But do you think as much as in college?

So now your thinking what about Kickoffs and Punts? Reggie Bush would not TOUCH a punt for the texans unless it was a playoff situation--Why? Why would you have a 70 Million dollar investment touch a punt when you have a Pro Bowler there.

2 Last things, Obviously you dont want to hear anything negative about Bush but.....

--Reggie Has NOT proved he can run in between the tackles. I have watched him play, and love him. But the concern is still there along with his size. Reggie Bush without a doubt is the number 1 pick BUT: Why were you only comparing YPC? Folks, the reason is RB had the similar number this year in ATT, and production as he had his first two years COMBINED.

Reggie Bush
Freshman and Sophmore year COMBINED:
230 att. 1429 yards 9 Td's. 6.2 YPC

The fact is, last year Reggie Bush was a real good player, but did nothing compared to Reggie Bush this year. In ONE YEAR he has become the consensus slam dunk number 1 pick.

Remember Im not arguing which back has the better potential as a prospect. Im debating Which one in terms of value is better for your system, and your new HC.

Lendale White just fits your system better, especially with Domanic Davis staying here they compliment eachother rather well IMO. Couple this with the fact you receive MANY HIGH picks to move down to spot Casserly feels comfortable why isnt this concievable?


Originally Posted by yako0o
I think Texan Fans should look at their coach and why they hired him. Kubiac strengths are RB and offensive line, those are the places you need the least help.
OK you apparently know ZERO about the Texans.
The last FOUR years we have had the WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN NFL HISTORY. Google it. See how many sacks we have given up. Tell me if we need help on our O-line.

Your weakness as a team seems to be a CONSISTANT ground game, paired with the O-line troubles you have had. So your owner went out and got the BEST guy in the NFL at developing Offensive line, and a consistant ground game. You guys hired Kubiac for these reasons because he can take Fb's and make them into 1,000 yard rushers. He can take mid round Offensive lineman an turn them into a DOMINANT offensive line.

So you hired this guy for his development of no name Rb's, and mid round Offensive lineman and the first thing you want him to do is spend the number 1 pick on a RB, or top 5 on a Offensive tackle? Whats the point? Your backfield needs little help, and with the depth of the Offensive lineman this year Kubiac could build a Pro Bowl squad from 3-5 rounders.

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 09:41 PM
I've been saying for quite some time that we need to take a stud left tackle inthe 1st round and that LenDale White will be a better pro back than RB. It just gets lost in the deluge of 'VY is GOD" posts or "OMG we have to take Bush!" posts.

If I had my way, we'd take the best LT in the 1st round, LB or DE (depending on next year's def. scheme) in the 2nd round, TE in the 3rd round, and either LB or G in the 4th. 3rd and 4th rounds could flip-flop, depending on many variables. The point is, address real needs instead of window dressing.

Can someone answer me this. So lets say you take an O-lineman with a Top 5pick and he gets banged up or is the next Mandarich. Didn't you just waste any chance of improving. I know any guy can be a bust or get hurt but if you don't take a skill guy in the most talented draft in years and stand pat with what you have, do you really think that is smart when you need playmakers? I have seen Brick drop and if we get Kubiak he takes faster and smaller linemen late. Their one 1st rounder was a player deeper in the 1st round. Would a D'Brick even fit our scheme?

yako0o
01-17-2006, 09:45 PM
Yes, I think your argument was very well made

Thankyou, I posted this because I believe it is a VERY interesting debate.

System vs Player.

I was hoping you guys would hire Norv Turner to be OC, and then Draft Reggie Bush but he just got hired. Bush in his system would be somthing crazy.

In reality I am following your draft, and have always followed your team as I like alot of the players from college(Carr,Johnson, Robinson, Aaron Glenn when he was here etc). Being the Jets are at 4, Your decesions impact my boys and you guys control the whole draft. (Just so you know I am hoping the Jets trade down as well for Michael Huff, Jimmy Williams, or Vernon Davis)

I really believe you guys can get CRAZYYYY value for the number 1 pick if you trade. I really think it would benefitt your team the MOST to absolutely rape another team and go down and go defensive. Go get AJ Hawk the surest thing in the draft.

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 09:53 PM
Thankyou, I posted this because I believe it is a VERY interesting debate.

System vs Player.

I was hoping you guys would hire Norv Turner to be OC, and then Draft Reggie Bush but he just got hired. Bush in his system would be somthing crazy.

In reality I am following your draft, and have always followed your team as I like alot of the players from college(Carr,Johnson, Robinson, Aaron Glenn when he was here etc). Being the Jets are at 4, Your decesions impact my boys and you guys control the whole draft. (Just so you know I am hoping the Jets trade down as well for Michael Huff, Jimmy Williams, or Vernon Davis)

I really believe you guys can get CRAZYYYY value for the number 1 pick if you trade. I really think it would benefitt your team the MOST to absolutely rape another team and go down and go defensive. Go get AJ Hawk the surest thing in the draft.

Yak, I said the other day on our draft site that I think Hawk is can't miss if there is something close to being that.

vtech9
01-17-2006, 10:23 PM
Thankyou, I posted this because I believe it is a VERY interesting debate.

System vs Player.

I was hoping you guys would hire Norv Turner to be OC, and then Draft Reggie Bush but he just got hired. Bush in his system would be somthing crazy.

In reality I am following your draft, and have always followed your team as I like alot of the players from college(Carr,Johnson, Robinson, Aaron Glenn when he was here etc). Being the Jets are at 4, Your decesions impact my boys and you guys control the whole draft. (Just so you know I am hoping the Jets trade down as well for Michael Huff, Jimmy Williams, or Vernon Davis)

I really believe you guys can get CRAZYYYY value for the number 1 pick if you trade. I really think it would benefitt your team the MOST to absolutely rape another team and go down and go defensive. Go get AJ Hawk the surest thing in the draft.
The Jets pick 4th...so how about this option?

Texans trade down to 4th with the Jets so the Jets can get Bush. Curtis Martin is getting old and is having injury problems.

Green Bay picks 5th, and they have stated that they would take LenDale White if he was available at the #5 spot. If this is so, it makes the 4th pick more valuable.

The Texans trade out of the 4th spot with a team that wants to jump ahead of Green Bay to take White.

The Texans could pick up a couple 1st round picks next year along with a couple 2nd and thirds this year. With their 1st this year along with their multiple 2nds and thirds, the Texans can fill all of their needs on O-Line and defense. With the extra 2 firsts next year, the Texans can trade up to get Adrian Peterson, and still have their own 1st to grab another hot prospect.

Sounds good to me, especially since I think Bush will be a bust.

Wharton
01-17-2006, 10:44 PM
Good post yako0o. Agree with it 100%. White is a far better pro prospect then Bush. I'll have to admit that Iím partial to bruising runner like Earl Campbell, John Riggins, and Larry Csonka. If you want to compare White to somebody, try Bettis.

LBC_Justin
01-17-2006, 11:48 PM
#1 Dont be so touchy, I could tell you sweat Bush--its hard not too. BUT, If you want to start arguing and posting only the stats that favor your argument I could do the same:

Using stats, Lets check out LW vs RB

#2 RUNNING the football Lendale White has 52 TOUCHDOWNS at USC, Reggie Bush has 25. LW DOUBLED his Rushing Td total.

Why am I just emphasizing rushing? Because Im just going by what your HC has done. His Rb's catch a few passes a game if anything. Yes, Reggie will be out there at times, But do you think as much as in college?

#3 So now your thinking what about Kickoffs and Punts? Reggie Bush would not TOUCH a punt for the texans unless it was a playoff situation--Why? Why would you have a 70 Million dollar investment touch a punt when you have a Pro Bowler there.

2 Last things, Obviously you dont want to hear anything negative about Bush but.....

#4 --Reggie Has NOT proved he can run in between the tackles. I have watched him play, and love him. But the concern is still there along with his size. Reggie Bush without a doubt is the number 1 pick BUT: Why were you only comparing YPC? Folks, the reason is RB had the similar number this year in ATT, and production as he had his first two years COMBINED.

Reggie Bush
Freshman and Sophmore year COMBINED:
230 att. 1429 yards 9 Td's. 6.2 YPC

The fact is, last year Reggie Bush was a real good player, but did nothing compared to Reggie Bush this year. In ONE YEAR he has become the consensus slam dunk number 1 pick.

Remember Im not arguing which back has the better potential as a prospect. Im debating Which one in terms of value is better for your system, and your new HC.

#5 Lendale White just fits your system better, especially with Domanic Davis staying here they compliment eachother rather well IMO. Couple this with the fact you receive MANY HIGH picks to move down to spot Casserly feels comfortable why isnt this concievable?




Your weakness as a team seems to be a CONSISTANT ground game, paired with the O-line troubles you have had. So your owner went out and got the BEST guy in the NFL at developing Offensive line, and a consistant ground game. You guys hired Kubiac for these reasons because he can take Fb's and make them into 1,000 yard rushers. He can take mid round Offensive lineman an turn them into a DOMINANT offensive line.

So you hired this guy for his development of no name Rb's, and mid round Offensive lineman and the first thing you want him to do is spend the number 1 pick on a RB, or top 5 on a Offensive tackle? Whats the point? Your backfield needs little help, and with the depth of the Offensive lineman this year Kubiac could build a Pro Bowl squad from 3-5 rounders.#1. I am a University of Texans guy. I don't sweat Bush. But in a LW vs RB comparison, well it is obvious they are both good, but LW is no RB. Big gap in talent.

#2. Lendale light is ideal for goal line runs. So he gets most of the "slam dunk" easy 2 yard Touchdown runs. (He isn't that great of the short down back or we would be talking about the 2006 National Champion Trojans, but that is a whole other animal.)

#3. Jerome Mathis doesn't return punts. We have OK at best punt returner. You bet you bottom I would put Bush on the kick return team. Let them chose between Bush or Mathis. The more Bush touches the ball in a game the better. You don't worry about the HUGE contract when you play guys. Guys are going to get injured. Keep fingers crossed.

#4 Reggie didn't run between the tackles much in college because White got most of those calls. But he can run between the tackles and is capable of driving Linebackers and safteys backwards. Give me a reason why a strong, fast guy with excellent field vision can't run between the tackles? Also, Reggie Bush is not undersized for a Junior in college. You do realize most players gain some weight as they mature into manhood. He is the perfect size for a fast back. Not much difference in size from Willie Parker, (only faster, more powerful, better vision, more moves).

#5 If you think a Runningback like Lendale White fits the Denver Bronco system better than Reggie Bush then you havn't been watching the Broncos. They like small fast backs around 200-210 lbs and between 5-10 & 6-0 tall. Bush fits that mold perfectly. (Just look up the exact size of the running backs they have had in the last 10 years and you will see exactly what I am talking about.)

I don't think Bush is the only answer. I would mind trading down and getting some big time defenders if the deal was right.

This team has a TON of holes.

Hope it doesn't seem like I am being too hostile in my posts. No hate intended. I agree Hawk is the closest thing in this draft to a sure thing and will make an imediate impact.

LBC_Justin
01-18-2006, 12:01 AM
The Jets pick 4th...so how about this option?

Texans trade down to 4th with the Jets so the Jets can get Bush. Curtis Martin is getting old and is having injury problems.

Green Bay picks 5th, and they have stated that they would take LenDale White if he was available at the #5 spot. If this is so, it makes the 4th pick more valuable.

The Texans trade out of the 4th spot with a team that wants to jump ahead of Green Bay to take White.

The Texans could pick up a couple 1st round picks next year along with a couple 2nd and thirds this year. With their 1st this year along with their multiple 2nds and thirds, the Texans can fill all of their needs on O-Line and defense. With the extra 2 firsts next year, the Texans can trade up to get Adrian Peterson, and still have their own 1st to grab another hot prospect.

Sounds good to me, especially since I think Bush will be a bust.
Most people don't even have Lendale White rated in the Top 10 of the draft, some don't even have him in the Top 15 of the draft. If Green Bay wants him they trade down. Top picks Bush, Leinart, Young, Hawk, Williams, D'Brick, Cutler, . I will be surprised if anyone else squeezes into that top 7. I could be way wrong and it is very early, so who knows.

None of those picks are going to be Busts. They may not be everything they were expected to be, but they will all be solid starters.

edo783
01-18-2006, 12:16 AM
None of those picks are going to be Busts. They may not be everything they were expected to be, but they will all be solid starters.

One of the better statements on the board lately.

yako0o
01-18-2006, 12:41 AM
Yak, I said the other day on our draft site that I think Hawk is can't miss if there is something close to being that.

Hope it doesn't seem like I am being too hostile in my posts. No hate intended. I agree Hawk is the closest thing in this draft to a sure thing and will make an imediate impact.

Totally agreed. This guy reminds me of Jon Vilma but alittle better. Because he is a LB he obviously cant go that high, But he will make the team that drafts him look smart for a LONGGG time. If I had money on DROY next year, I would put the money down right now. This guy is a playmaker.

Good post yako0o. Agree with it 100%. White is a far better pro prospect then Bush. I'll have to admit that Iím partial to bruising runner like Earl Campbell, John Riggins, and Larry Csonka. If you want to compare White to somebody, try Bettis.

Thanks man, I am the same exact way. The Jets converted to a zone blocking scheme this year, and near the end of the year I started loving it. We have a 6th round pick in Cedric Houston who was impressive in it. I love RB's that look to hit rather then be hit. Unfortunetly with Mangini here now Im worried about losing my zone blocking scheme. Trust me, after a full year of adjustment you guys will start benifftting ALOT from it.

The Jets pick 4th...so how about this option?

Texans trade down to 4th with the Jets so the Jets can get Bush. Curtis Martin is getting old and is having injury problems.

V-tech, thanks for the responce.

I am hopeful the Jets do not trade up as of now. I dont know what system were going to run lol. My poor team is going to run a third different offense in three years--Were awhile away from competitiveness. As of now I am hopeful for a playmaker, not potential. I dont want Ngata, or Mario Williams(Well debate him another day). I really would like to trade down and pickup Micheal Huff, Jimmy Williams, or Vernon Davis. Im going to post some videos of Davis soon and youll see why I believe he will be the next big thing at TE.

Most people don't even have Lendale White rated in the Top 10 of the draft, some don't even have him in the Top 15 of the draft. If Green Bay wants him they trade down. Top picks Bush, Leinart, Young, Hawk, Williams, D'Brick, Cutler, . I will be surprised if anyone else squeezes into that top 7. I could be way wrong and it is very early, so who knows.

Actually right now hes projected to go to the Steelers in Nfldraftcountdown, and not high in most mocks. ---But thats the fun in it. Being high on Phillip Rivers, or Ronnie Brown--Knowing what your team is going to look for. My friend actually predicted 4 out of the Jets 5 draft picks last year.

As far as Lendale I believe he will become the 2nd back on the board ahead of Deangelo Williams. Well save that debate, but im almost certain of it. Now that would be dependant on LW running 4.5-4.59. If LW runs anything in the 4.4's hes going to shoot up to a top ten pick IMO. Anyway I guess if it happens you know were you heard it first.

While were at predictions, Jay Cutler is going to be higher then anyone thinks. Alott of Jet Fans want him@4. :brickwall

In the End LBC, I think theres no doubt your organization will pick whoever it is pressured to pick. The number one pick is all about pressure, and this is the most press you guys have got since your birth into the league.

Im 99 percent sure that guy will be Bush, But if Vince runs anything close to 4.4 you guys got a tough decesion to make.

A new coach, system, Cap room, #1 pick. Mucho Publicity on espn. You guys are gonna havea great offseason.

eriadoc
01-18-2006, 12:47 AM
Can someone answer me this. So lets say you take an O-lineman with a Top 5pick and he gets banged up or is the next Mandarich. Didn't you just waste any chance of improving. I know any guy can be a bust or get hurt but if you don't take a skill guy in the most talented draft in years and stand pat with what you have, do you really think that is smart when you need playmakers? I have seen Brick drop and if we get Kubiak he takes faster and smaller linemen late. Their one 1st rounder was a player deeper in the 1st round. Would a D'Brick even fit our scheme?

1. You answered part of it yourself. any player can get injured and/or become a bust.

2. For every Mandarich (bust top-10/15/20 O-line) that you can name, I can name three bust skill position guys. Part of that is just the fact that skill position guys are typically taken earlier, but I can also probably name plenty of successfull top-20 O-line picks during the same era.

3. This team doesn't need skill position players as badly as it needs help in the trenches. this is a common message board myth. If this offensive line played well as a unit, you'd see Carr, AJ, DD, Gaffney, Armstrong, Mathis, and probably even Morency all step up their game. Think about how the team was playing the first half of 2004 and add in experience for AJ and DD and a sophomore Mathis. That's what we can look forward to, along with a coaching staff that will utilize Armstrong instead of Bradford. Gaffney is quietly reliable and is a heck of a lot better than many #2 WRs in the NFL.

4. If we need any playmaker, it's a real TE. One that can block in the pass pro and running. One that can go down the seam and put a stop to all this Cover 2 we face. One that can open things up deep for AJ and Mathis by forcing the defense to acknowledge that we might actually throw a ten-yard seam pattern.

5. Notice I have carefully refrained from using the player name of Brick. If he goes to the combine, works out, and justifies a top-5 pick, then sure ... it's him. I don't really care who it is, though - I would just like a stud Left Tackle from which to build this line. Failing that, draft a need. You can combine a playmaker AND a need in this draft - maybe some help on defense. Running back is not a need; it's a luxury. And luxuries at this point are like putting fancy rims on a hoopty.

Anyway, this is all moot, I'm sure. They'll draft Bush, I'm sure and we'll be having this same conversation next year. Kubiak will no doubt improve the line play just by getting them all on the same page and having them function as a unit, but until this team finds the anchor to the offensive line, they'll continue to be mediocre at best.

LBC_Justin
01-18-2006, 01:18 AM
Im 99 percent sure that guy will be Bush, But if Vince runs anything close to 4.4 you guys got a tough decesion to make.

A new coach, system, Cap room, #1 pick. Mucho Publicity on espn. You guys are gonna havea great offseason.
Good post.

Vince won't run. He is going to let he performance at the Rose Bowl be his final work to be judged on. Go out on top.

Lendale White might run but it won't be at the combine. He will probably run at a USC pro day. If he is really fast, he should run at the combine and boom he might jump into the top 10-15.

This is going to be a fun offseason. As someone who lives out of state. I am enjoying hear a lot about the Texans on the Radio. Usually the Texans are invisible to the national media, except to rip how bad our Offensive line is and giggle.