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hellojohnnyboi
01-17-2006, 01:53 PM
GREG ROMAN!

The Texans QB Coach has never coached nor played quaterbacks in his life.

He started out as a Strength And Conditioning/Defensive Quality Control Coach with the Panthers, then Offensive Quality Control and Offensive Assistant with the Panthers, then Assistant Offensive Line Coach with Panthers, then Tight Ends Coach with Texans, and all of the sudden he is the QB coach for us.

Did he recieve that position just because he has coached for a while. I honestly dont think an O-Line Assistan/TE coach should ever have the immediate position of QB coach at a young franchise with a young QB.

JEEEZE Capers is gone if only Casserly could leave too.

TEXANS84
01-17-2006, 01:55 PM
Chris Palmer for the first three seasons was basically Carr's quarterback coach.

hellojohnnyboi
01-17-2006, 01:57 PM
And notice in those 3 seasons (besides injury) he performed better.

HJam72
01-17-2006, 01:57 PM
I can think of 3 other good reasons:

1) Casserly is our GM, 2) Pendry was our O-line coach, 3) Pendry was or OC.

Do you get the feeling that I wasn't impressed with Pendry? :)

jerek
01-17-2006, 02:00 PM
It actually has a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that Carr's name isn't Vince Young, he hasn't won a Rose Bowl, and he didn't go to UT.

Kaiser Toro
01-17-2006, 02:03 PM
This is not news for the Texans, nor coaches rounding themselves out for career development.

Carr can do many things that an average paid QB can do.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 02:03 PM
GREG ROMAN!

The Texans QB Coach has never coached nor played quaterbacks in his life.

He started out as a Strength And Conditioning/Defensive Quality Control Coach with the Panthers, then Offensive Quality Control and Offensive Assistant with the Panthers, then Assistant Offensive Line Coach with Panthers, then Tight Ends Coach with Texans, and all of the sudden he is the QB coach for us.

Did he recieve that position just because he has coached for a while. I honestly dont think an O-Line Assistan/TE coach should ever have the immediate position of QB coach at a young franchise with a young QB.

JEEEZE Capers is gone if only Casserly could leave too.

This can't be true is it?

hellojohnnyboi
01-17-2006, 02:23 PM
It actually has a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that Carr's name isn't Vince Young, he hasn't won a Rose Bowl, and he didn't go to UT.

WOW! JEREK! How ignorant and one sided can you be?!

Look at this...Carrs best college season VS Youngs best

DAVID CARR

Year G-GS Att. Comp Int Yds. Pct. TD LG
2001 13-13 477 309 7 4,308*.648 42* 70

*Led Nation

VINCE YOUNG

Year G-GS Att. Comp Int Yds. Pct. TD LG
2005 13-13 325 212 10 3,036 .652 26 --

hellojohnnyboi
01-17-2006, 02:24 PM
This can't be true is it?

yes it is true kbourda, another great hiring rather than firing by casserly and capers..

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 02:35 PM
So are you saying Carr is a better college player than young? So then reasoning on this board would dictate Vince would be a worse QB than Carr?

hellojohnnyboi
01-17-2006, 02:43 PM
No what I'm saying is that Carr put up much better numbers than VY and alot of people think VY will NOT be the best QB in the draft. And in the 01-02 draft the man was DAVID CARR he recieved 71% of the votes of who should be the number 1 pick of the draft... Vince Young has recieved 56%....

What I am saying is that Vince is in such high demand here bc he is a longhorn and is a hometown boy, but you have to realize the potential of bust.

Also, we have our QB of the future. I DO NOT want to accept that fact but I have to...

BTW NO ONE should be dissapointed if Reggie Bush's name is called.

BTWW I dont agree with Carr as our QB and I DONT necessarly agree with us taking VY or RB...but im thinkin wat is best for the team, not me..

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 02:45 PM
Woe is me!!Poor David. Maybe we should just go spend a ton of money and get him the perfect team and when he still under performs after another 4 years we should just keep paying him and get him a lineman that fixes his hair between series. I mean Boo-hoo. It isn't EVERYONES fault but Carrs. He shoulder the responsibility of making himself better and being a leader. He has done neither.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 02:56 PM
Here's an even bigger question. Why is CC still employed here as the GM? How many more drafts does he have to **** up for someone to take a hint? How much more "insight" does he offer til someone sees it as BS and calls him on it? This is really not a story I cared to hear about right now. If that was the case, I could have been his QB coach. I could have at least told him, "Hey, once you leave the pocket, throw the ball away. It beats rushing and getting killed." Amazing!

281
01-17-2006, 02:59 PM
WOW! JEREK! How ignorant and one sided can you be?!

Look at this...Carrs best college season VS Youngs best

DAVID CARR

Year G-GS Att. Comp Int Yds. Pct. TD LG
2001 13-13 477 309 7 4,308*.648 42* 70

*Led Nation

VINCE YOUNG

Year G-GS Att. Comp Int Yds. Pct. TD LG
2005 13-13 325 212 10 3,036 .652 26 --


...Somebody wanna pull up Jason White's stats?

Dennis007
01-17-2006, 04:32 PM
GREG ROMAN!

The Texans QB Coach has never coached nor played quaterbacks in his life.

He started out as a Strength And Conditioning/Defensive Quality Control Coach with the Panthers, then Offensive Quality Control and Offensive Assistant with the Panthers, then Assistant Offensive Line Coach with Panthers, then Tight Ends Coach with Texans, and all of the sudden he is the QB coach for us.

Did he recieve that position just because he has coached for a while. I honestly dont think an O-Line Assistan/TE coach should ever have the immediate position of QB coach at a young franchise with a young QB.

JEEEZE Capers is gone if only Casserly could leave too.


Excuse 1000000000000000001 - Any more?:stirpot:

JDizzle
01-17-2006, 05:02 PM
...Somebody wanna pull up Jason White's stats?

451/278 61.64% 10INT 3,846yds 40TD 158.1 rating.

A pretty poor example IMO, since White wasn't even drafted and was definitely not a consensus top 10 prospect like the guys we're talking about. He had 2 blown knees and pretty much everyone knew he wasn't going to cut it in the NFL.

bigTEXan8
01-17-2006, 05:05 PM
So are you saying Carr is a better college player than young? So then reasoning on this board would dictate Vince would be a worse QB than Carr?

That's what I have been saying for a long time now. VY is going to be like Vick, who isn't that good of a QB.

jacquescas
01-17-2006, 05:58 PM
and CArr had absolutely no TE to throw to, the last few games when he started to play better also coincided with more catches by Rivers... imagine if we had a legit TE what that could do for Carrs game,

thunderkyss
01-17-2006, 06:24 PM
It actually has a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that Carr's name isn't Vince Young, he hasn't won a Rose Bowl, and he didn't go to UT.

I'll admit, before Vince said he would enter the draft, QB was the least of my worries. But with Vince available...... I'm not so high on Carr. I've defended him from day one, and supported him. I think if you put most NFL starters in Carrs shoes, our season wouldn't have been any different at all. There are three maybe four, that I think would have made a difference, given us more wins.

Dante Culpepper, Donavan McNabb, Bret Favre, Jake Plummer, and Michael Vick.
These may not be the "type" of QB you want on your team, & that's fine. I can understand that. All these guys are better than David Carr, and most NFL quarterbacks at making plays on the run. Making something out of nothing, and putting wins on the board. Vick, he isn't like any of those other guys, because he can't throw on a consistant basis. But he makes plays, and he wins games.
Of course, in my mind, Drafting Young says I'm not going to pay a lot for talent on the offensive line. Or that I'll be happy with the run blocking we are getting from our Offensive line. I do expect my Lineman to improve their performance next year, and beyond, but that will be through technique, and coaching. By keeping Casserly, and looking at the money we've payed our lineman, I can't imagine our direction is anything else. It's inconcievable to think year after year, player after player we sign these goofy contracts to the same type of players, and expect to have a pocket passer.

I don't know what to make of David Carr. But I don't think this team is set up for him to be succesful.

Fiddy
01-17-2006, 06:54 PM
451/278 61.64% 10INT 3,846yds 40TD 158.1 rating.

A pretty poor example IMO, since White wasn't even drafted and was definitely not a consensus top 10 prospect like the guys we're talking about. He had 2 blown knees and pretty much everyone knew he wasn't going to cut it in the NFL. All Texan281 was saying is dont compare statistics because it's really dumb since they both came from different places.

Fiddy
01-17-2006, 07:15 PM
Apperently you have not been watching this guy for 4 years now. Many times he has made plays with his feet, many. He has made plays with his feet, but has also hurt the team with his feet because he uses his feet to get out of the pocket when all he has to do is step up but he doesnt and makes the O-line bad...

Wharton
01-17-2006, 07:21 PM
BTW NO ONE should be dissapointed if Reggie Bush's name is called.

BTWW I dont agree with Carr as our QB and I DONT necessarly agree with us taking VY or RB...but im thinkin wat is best for the team, not me..

Hot Dog, its mighty big of you to take one for the team. Dude, no more tequila for you! :worm:

BTW, I'll be dissapointed if they call Reggie's name as our pick and thats my right as a fan. :stooges:

JDizzle
01-17-2006, 07:22 PM
All Texan281 was saying is dont compare statistics because it's really dumb since they both came from different places.

I know what angle he was coming from, and all I was saying is to use someone who wasn't destined to be shoveling poop on daddy's farm as an example. I know huge stats don't mean a player will be great in the NFL, if that were the case Tommy Chang would be dropping 350+ on a regular basis in the NFL.

disaacks3
01-17-2006, 07:29 PM
The original post may explain why Carr hasn't progressed as well (or as fast) as many of us would like, however...

You need look no further than this last weekend's Steelers / Colts game to see what happens when your protection breaks down and your faith in your line gets shot. Is there anybody on here that think Peyton can't play QB? It all starts & stops with the O-Line.

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 07:55 PM
The original post may explain why Carr hasn't progressed as well (or as fast) as many of us would like, however...

You need look no further than this last weekend's Steelers / Colts game to see what happens when your protection breaks down and your faith in your line gets shot. Is there anybody on here that think Peyton can't play QB? It all starts & stops with the O-Line.

I wish that Colts game had never happened.:brickwall

Texans86
01-17-2006, 10:17 PM
I wish that Colts game had never happened.:brickwall

I wonder if it's for the same reason many people wish the Rose Bowl had never happened.

Just so you know, I am a student at UT, and I still don't think Young is best for this team.

A Texan
01-17-2006, 11:06 PM
[QUOTE=hellojohnnyboi]No what I'm saying is that Carr put up much better numbers than VY and alot of people think VY will NOT be the best QB in the draft. And in the 01-02 draft the man was DAVID CARR he recieved 71% of the votes of who should be the number 1 pick of the draft... Vince Young has recieved 56%....

NOT True. Young's numbers were better. As the numbers posted show, Vince had a slightly higher completion percentage and a higher yds/attempt. And that's just passing. When you consider rushing, Vince had 993 yds on 147 attempts and Carr had 97 yds on 88 attempts. Overall total offense, Carr averaged 7.6 yds/attempt and Young 8.5. I'm not trying to say necessarily that Young should be the QB over Carr, just that Vince's college numbers were better.

thunderkyss
01-17-2006, 11:20 PM
Apperently you have not been watching this guy for 4 years now. Many times he has made plays with his feet, many.


Tell you what, I'll stop my Draft Vince Campaign, since we already have a good quarterback, if you'll stop your Draft Reggie Campaign, because we already have two, maybe three good running backs.

fair enough??

thunderkyss
01-17-2006, 11:27 PM
The original post may explain why Carr hasn't progressed as well (or as fast) as many of us would like, however...

You need look no further than this last weekend's Steelers / Colts game to see what happens when your protection breaks down and your faith in your line gets shot. Is there anybody on here that think Peyton can't play QB? It all starts & stops with the O-Line.

It's understandable if this thing happens twice a year. even three times a year. But 16... okay, 14 times in a year?? We're going to blame the O-line, everytime, and not point to the QB at all??

The QB is a ProBowler.... future Hall of Famer... we are ready to retire his freakin number, and he hasn't had a winning season yet??

Wow.... remind me, who played in the Rose Bowl?? Vince, or David Carr??

Wharton
01-17-2006, 11:48 PM
The best thing anyone, even his supporters, can say about David Carr is "He has alot of potential".

Well if thats the case then, who has more potential, David Carr or Vince Young?

IMO, its Vince Young. DC had his chance, its time for him to move on.

Ibar_Harry
01-18-2006, 12:26 AM
Here's another one for you, but its true. The Texans didn't really have a receivers coach and Bradford was just learning how to run routes this last year and they kept him. AJ was really a bust this year and they let go some young receivers with talent. Not only was the O-line bad, but so were the receivers that played for the most part. The better receivers at times, sat on the bench, because the coaches didn't want to play them. Hey, I'm not on the receivers, because we do have talent there, but they have never been coached properly. No O-line and No recievers makes for a back coming out of the backfield as a receiver. Yep, and that's the gist of it. Sorry, but the coaching absolutely destroyed this ball club. No player has escaped the coaching virus. Some of you are ready to throw some very good players to the wolves, but you have no understanding whatsoever of how bad the coaching staff was and no understanding of how badly they destroyed the talent we have. Yes, I have been posting for quite some time that this coaching staff was creating havoc with this ball club. I just pray that Bob finds the right people to right this ship. Again, as I have so often said, THE PLAYERS, THE FANS, THE OWNERS, and the GM do not deserve what has happen to this ball club. Casserly could not fire Capers, because of McNair. Bob had to due the dirty deed, but he didn't want to even as bad as it was this last year. Hopefully, he will be a little less gulible this time around.