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Nighthawk
01-17-2006, 02:09 AM
I've been an Oilers fan since the Charlie Hennigan, Charlie Tolar and George Blanda. When the Oilers moved I did not like Fisher and his brand of football, which was downright Capers-like in those days. I lost interest.

Then came the Texans. I got interested until Casserly and Capers and Carr and the team stunk it up. A couple years ago I faded. Games were boring and team wasn't happening. This year team was a freaking joke. An embarassment. I paid for my NFL Sunday Ticket but couldn't bear to watch.

Now comes Vince Young, ours for the taking. The guy is a big time major league leader with skills to match. He IS what you want your franchise to be about, talent and success and never giving up and having the will to win. He's QB equivalent of Earl Campbell.

So now the Texans are planning on taking a really excellent RB from USC instead, a guy who will have some effect on the team, but won't be the salvation of the team. It's a mistake. It's a rube's play. Sure, having a quick RB who can cut (better than DD, maybe) is a good idea. 1st pick in the draft? Nah.

If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.

HardKnockTexan
01-17-2006, 02:20 AM
ummm... no thankyou... I HATE the Titans!

GO TEXANS! :redtowel:

Grid
01-17-2006, 02:25 AM
heh.. first its "DONT LET HIM GO TO THE TITANS!" then its "I may have to become a Titans fan if they have Vince Young"... then when we go to the superbowl it will be "I love the Texans! they are my hometown team!"

thetexanator
01-17-2006, 02:31 AM
id rather the cowboys trade up and get him, if the texans pass up on him, what better situation for vince than heading to the cowboys?

Big B Texan Fan
01-17-2006, 03:01 AM
This is the kinda draft that gets guys fired sooner rather than later

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 09:33 AM
I was a huge Oiler fan, win or lose, good or bad, I stuck by that team. In fact that 35-3 game still brings a slight tear to my eye.

But the Oilers are much like that first wife who runs off with your best friend and breaks your heart. You wish her only the worst and hope she regrets leaving you. Never will I rout for them. Okay well maybe if it takes a Titan win to get the Texans into the playoffs, but thats it.

So now on to Vince Young. A home town hero that every Long horn fan in this state is clamering for. Why? From what I keep hearing and reading the only scope Vince is even on is Houston's. Every other team and every scout in the leauge has Bush being the #1 prospect. In fact Lienart in manys eyes is still rated ahead of Young. So really why shouldnt we take Lienart if we are all so sure that Carr isnt the one? If the fans who claim that they would give up there season tickets, not watch the games, and rout for the titans are at all serious then shouldnt it be Lienart they scream for? Or is this truely a Homer thing?

Either way, GO TEXANS!

TheOgre
01-17-2006, 09:36 AM
It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell.

If I read this one more time about Bush or Young, I think I might go over the deep end.

TheOgre
01-17-2006, 09:37 AM
id rather the cowboys trade up and get him, if the texans pass up on him, what better situation for vince than heading to the cowboys?

Me getting hit by a bus. Needless to say, I hate the Cowboys.

bigtex77
01-17-2006, 09:45 AM
If as a "Texans fan" your loyalty hinges on whether or not they draft Vince Young, just head on over to the Titans MB and get started, why wait? I think I speak for most of us true Texans fans when I say good riddance. We will be here, regardless of anything, bad drafts, bad records, it doesn't matter. Oh, and when we start winning, we will be the ones kicking the rest of you guy's a**es off the bandwagon when you try to jump on! Anybody else with me?

whiskeyrbl
01-17-2006, 09:58 AM
Vy will sell more tickets,but ticket sales dont win superbowls.:brickwall

whiskeyrbl
01-17-2006, 10:04 AM
I dont believe alot of you are giving Carr a chance.This guy is one of the toughest SOBs at the QB spot (aka Bradshaw).IMO you take Bush,Build the OL with FA vets.Draft defense in the 2nd and 3rd RD. and take TE(D.Thomas) in the 4th,then draft OL 5th and 6th RD.Get Abraham via FA.We are not going to Superbowl next year,lets build for 2-3 years from now.

gsbtxn
01-17-2006, 10:22 AM
I'm with you bigtex

Chance_C
01-17-2006, 10:55 AM
If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance

I root for the team, not the player. If we switched players with the Titans completely, I would still root for the Texans. Where's the loyalty these days?

Dennis007
01-17-2006, 11:35 AM
Vy will sell more tickets,but ticket sales dont win superbowls.:brickwall

VY will sell more tickets and win games and that's what counts.

VY is my guy!!:superman:
:yahoo:
:redtowel:

HoustonFrog
01-17-2006, 11:45 AM
I dont believe alot of you are giving Carr a chance.This guy is one of the toughest SOBs at the QB spot (aka Bradshaw).IMO you take Bush,Build the OL with FA vets.Draft defense in the 2nd and 3rd RD. and take TE(D.Thomas) in the 4th,then draft OL 5th and 6th RD.Get Abraham via FA.We are not going to Superbowl next year,lets build for 2-3 years from now.

4 years was my chance. Are we supposed to give him a perfect line, the perfect compliment to AJ, the perfect TE, the perfect RB and then if he messes up, it must be the new coaching?Maybe we can draft a guy in the 7th who can put his hair behind his ears while he is on the bench. I'm tired of excuses for him. At 2-14, there is not one player that deserves a shot more than another and the team as a whole needs to be evaluated.

Dennis007
01-17-2006, 11:47 AM
4 years was my chance. Are we supposed to give him a perfect line, the perfect compliment to AJ, the perfect TE, the perfect RB and then if he messes up, it must be the new coaching?Maybe we can draft a guy in the 7th who can put his hair behind his ears while he is on the bench. I'm tired of excuses for him. At 2-14, there is not one player that deserves a shot more than another and the team as a whole needs to be evaluated.

Here, Here H-Frog... I'm with ya!!!:yahoo:

Blake
01-17-2006, 11:50 AM
Vy will sell more tickets,but ticket sales dont win superbowls.:brickwall

Winning sells tickets.

I dont care if we draft Young, Bush, or trade down and take bob fartman, if we start winning, and going to the playoffs, my butt will be in the seat rooting on fartman.

dirty steve
01-17-2006, 11:56 AM
I've been an Oilers fan since the Charlie Hennigan, Charlie Tolar and George Blanda. When the Oilers moved I did not like Fisher and his brand of football, which was downright Capers-like in those days. I lost interest.

Then came the Texans. I got interested until Casserly and Capers and Carr and the team stunk it up. A couple years ago I faded. Games were boring and team wasn't happening. This year team was a freaking joke. An embarassment. I paid for my NFL Sunday Ticket but couldn't bear to watch.

Now comes Vince Young, ours for the taking. The guy is a big time major league leader with skills to match. He IS what you want your franchise to be about, talent and success and never giving up and having the will to win. He's QB equivalent of Earl Campbell.

So now the Texans are planning on taking a really excellent RB from USC instead, a guy who will have some effect on the team, but won't be the salvation of the team. It's a mistake. It's a rube's play. Sure, having a quick RB who can cut (better than DD, maybe) is a good idea. 1st pick in the draft? Nah.

If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.


wow, great story!!! i opened up this thread thinking i was going to see some stories about old-school Houston pro football. turns out all it was somebody stumping for vince, again. all you did was dug up some old Oilers names. lame...just say "this is another i want vince. thread."

jerek
01-17-2006, 12:00 PM
wow, great story!!! i opened up this thread thinking i was going to see some stories about old-school Houston pro football. turns out all it was somebody stumping for vince, again. all you did was dug up some old Oilers names. lame...just say "this is another i want vince. thread."

Ditto. Why not just title the thread for what it really is.

Big B Texan Fan
01-17-2006, 12:08 PM
or trade down and take bob fartman, if we start winning, and going to the playoffs, my butt will be in the seat rooting on fartman.
What is the Fartman's 40 time, bench press, and do you see him more of a split end or a tight end.

Texans_Chick
01-17-2006, 12:11 PM
But the Oilers are much like that first wife who runs off with your best friend and breaks your heart. You wish her only the worst and hope she regrets leaving you. Never will I rout for them. Okay well maybe if it takes a Titan win to get the Texans into the playoffs, but thats it.

That old team leaving town was worst than any breakup I've ever had. Made me angry and sad and betrayed at the same time. It would be like the worst break up ever, and then having to read about it in the newspapers everyday about the toothless hillybilly hag that stole your spouse, and then also having to read more and more about that classless plastic surgeoned harlot to the north. HORRIBLE!!!!! With the way that exit went, and the way the national media portrayed it, I thought we would never get an NFL team in Houston again.

The last lameduck sorry season the old team was in town, I decided I couldn't go to any of the games. I broke my promise though. One rainy Sunday, I played flag football for four games all morning. Covered in mud. After the games, I was driving to my house and they were doing the pregame on the radio. And they were talking about all the oldtime Steeler-Oiler rivalry games, and that this was the last one ever, and I was in the car just listening to that and crying. (and I don't cry much).

Well, I really didn't have anything to do that day, and I was prolly gonna watch football anyway, so, I called a ticket broker and asked him what the best single ticket he had was and for how much. Face. I told him that I was gonna clean up and be right there.

Got to the game and the Steeler fans were loud. They were ahead in the game. Ended up sitting next to a guy from Houston who was a trashtalking Steeler-Aggy fan of all things. Gack.

The Steeler fans got quiet at the Oilers came back and won the game. And many of the players came up to the stands after the game and high fived the crowd and acknowledged them. At the end of the game, it felt like a real game again but it was just so sad that we were never gonna have the NFL back in Houston again. I felt bad for us and I felt horrible for the players during the transferred time because it wasn't under their control.

And I felt really really jipted. I really really liked Steve McNair as a player. I couldn't wait to watch him play. He was supposed to be playing in HOUSTON dammit!!! HOUSTON!!!!!! And the Dud done stoled him away.

I hated the flying meatballs, despised Bud, but part of me still liked the old players from the Houston team. It is hard to hate a team but still kinda wanting some of the players from the old team to do well even if you don't want to admit that to yourself.

OK, after that long windup, this is my pitch: I don't want the Dudster to steal another one of my amazing upside QBs. Evar evar evar!!!! It just reopens old wounds, and given good QB longevity, it could hurt for a decade.

I'm not saying that VY is the next Steve McNair--he is different than McNair and different than any QB I've ever seen. The comparisons are hard to make, but like McNair, he was seen as a bit of a project, and both were players that I wanted to see develop. Dud robbed me of one of those guys, I don't wanted to be robbed of a second.

My best case scenario is VY in Houston.
Second best case scenario is Bush in Houston and VY NOT in TN or Dallas.
I am not so keen on the trading down stuff for a multitude of reasons.

Anyhow, maybe that makes me spiteful and bitter and all, but that is the way it is. I love our new stadium, our new owner, having the NFL back in Houston but it will kill me if the Dud gets another great amazing upside QB. It isn't gonna make me any less of a Texans fan, but I can't say it wouldn't hurt like heck.

Let the Titanhicks have Leinart--I don't care--he is just another fungible statue talented QB whose had surgery.

One way or another....GO TEXANS!!!

:texflag:

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 01:13 PM
I was at that game too. That was a great game. Last time I ever got to harrass a steeler fan. Even became a steeler fan just so I could watch the steelers beat the Titans twice a year.(plan backfired, Titans got good and the steelers sucked. Maybe I am cursed.)

With all that said I still think the Saints would take Young and Lienart goes to the Titans. Thats not to bad, we get Bush, Saints move to San Antonio so Young gets to go home and Leinart go to Tennapee.

At least that is in my perfect world.

El Tejano
01-17-2006, 01:21 PM
If you say that you will leave and not be a fan if this or that happens, then you are not a fan anyway so you can pretty much make sure the door doesn't hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!!

Real fans remain fans if this or that happens. It is called loyalty.

cuppacoffee
01-17-2006, 01:30 PM
What is the Fartman's 40 time, bench press, and do you see him more of a split end or a tight end.

Can't he be both? :rofl:

swisher
01-17-2006, 01:48 PM
If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.


If your allegiance is so thin that you would switch to the freaking Titans, then maybe you don't deserve to be a Texans fan.

In Vince We Trust
01-17-2006, 02:11 PM
i never completely switched my allegiance to the texans - a part of me remembered too fondly bum phillips, earl, pastorini, snake, dr. doom, ray childress, etc.,

getting vy, a PROVEN winner with unnatural physical ability will get me to become a season ticket holder. if the titans end up with him, i will follow the titans. i also suspect that bud will get the titans to wear throwback jerseys (i.e., oilers jerseys) when the titans play at reliant - sign me up for a no. 10 jersey!

reggie bush = desmond howard. an 'electrifying' heisman winner that won't really make it in the nfl. vy is the evolution of the nfl qb.

Double Barrel
01-17-2006, 02:20 PM
If I read this one more time about Bush or Young, I think I might go over the deep end.

Thank you! I agree 100%.

Not to diminish the potential of Young or Bush, but we're talking EARL CAMPBELL!! No player has ever come out and been the QB equivalent of no. 34. That's diminishing Earl's legacy to even make the comparison. For shame! :challenge

I was at that game too. That was a great game.

yep, me and Jungle Bob were at that game, too! We got there thinking we'd get in with no problem, but so many people showed up that we ended up missing a good chunk of the first quarter. So many Steelers fans, and such a sweet victory for a lameduck team and a bunch of broken-hearted football fans.

Thank you, Bob and the NFL, for the Texans!! :texflag: No way will I ever shift allegiance from this team, and this means through all good times and bad. Part of being a fanatic is supporting the team and proudly wearing the colors regardless of their win/loss record or who plays for the team.

Big B Texan Fan
01-17-2006, 02:27 PM
If your allegiance is so thin that you would switch to the freaking Titans, then maybe you don't deserve to be a Texans fan.
Maybe the way they play and the way they make personell decisions they don't deserve to have any fans until they trade in the broken carr.

TheOgre
01-17-2006, 02:42 PM
I have the perfect idea. We can clone Earl Campbell. He is raised by the University of Texas (or "t.u." for the remedial readers) staff. He wins 4 Heisman Trophies from 2024-2027, becomes the first selection in the draft, the Texans trade up 39 slots to get the #1 pick and draft Bevo Campbell. They go on to win 5 championships in his 6 year pro career.:redtowel:

Mr. White
01-17-2006, 02:59 PM
Thank you, Bob and the NFL, for the Texans!! :texflag:

This has recently crossed my mind. The Texans were gonna be an LA team. I remember all the talk in the late 90's. Most of us never thought there would be another Houston NFL team.

Uncle Bob moved Heaven and Earth to get this franchise from California's clutches. The odds were stacked way against him and he pulled off what was considered an impossible feat at the time.

It's 10 years later now and still no LA NFL franchise. I'd like to have VY here because I think he'd do wonders for the team identity among other reasons that I've outlined in my other posts. But I can never let that be a reason for me to switch allegiance to Bud Adams.

As I see it, we owe Bob McNair for the very fact that we have the Texans to argue over. Bud Adams still owes us.

Hardcore Texan
01-17-2006, 02:59 PM
If as a "Texans fan" your loyalty hinges on whether or not they draft Vince Young, just head on over to the Titans MB and get started, why wait? I think I speak for most of us true Texans fans when I say good riddance. We will be here, regardless of anything, bad drafts, bad records, it doesn't matter. Oh, and when we start winning, we will be the ones kicking the rest of you guy's a**es off the bandwagon when you try to jump on! Anybody else with me?

I'm with you!

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 03:04 PM
I don't see how any Texan fan could be accused of being a bandwaggon fan. They haven't had any tangible success yet. ;)

I really don't see what the big issue is here. Longhorn fans are HUGE Vince Young fans. This isn't just another Longhorn. We are - as a whole - very interested in following Vince's pro career. He was freaking Superman to us. Maybe he isn't the right pick for the Texans. I think that's a very sensible conclusion based on the fact that Carr really hasn't been given much opportunity to show what he can do in a good offensive system. But, for some of us, if Vince goes elsewhere, our pro football watching probably leans more towards Vince than the hometown team. At least initially.

By way of disclosure, I was also a LONGTIME Oiler fan. My dad had season tickets and I started going to games at 10 and never stopped. I think I went to every game until the year they announced they were leaving town.

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 03:06 PM
i never completely switched my allegiance to the texans - a part of me remembered too fondly bum phillips, earl, pastorini, snake, dr. doom, ray childress, etc.,

getting vy, a PROVEN winner with unnatural physical ability will get me to become a season ticket holder. if the titans end up with him, i will follow the titans. i also suspect that bud will get the titans to wear throwback jerseys (i.e., oilers jerseys) when the titans play at reliant - sign me up for a no. 10 jersey!

reggie bush = desmond howard. an 'electrifying' heisman winner that won't really make it in the nfl. vy is the evolution of the nfl qb.
This is a serious question. How do you know that Vince Young is a proven winner? I do understand he is 32-2 in college and won the national championship, but we are talking about the NFL. 75% of college players will never play a down in the pro's. How do you know how he will react to a blitzing defense? To a shoty O-line? To receivers who give you zero help when you are running for your life?

If we are talking about winners I will pose the question again. If this is truely about replacing Carr cause he is damaged goods and will never be a good QB, what about Lienart? He has won two national championships and the heisman and only lost one game, to Young's one championship and no heisman's.

Reggie=Howard? Vince Young is evolution? You must have a better magic 8-ball than I do cause mine isnt telling me anything. I will have to admit that when I gazed upon the ole Magic-8 and asked the question how many wins we would have this year its shot back a possible, possible 16-0(it thought we would have an easy schedule, I thought 12-4. We were both wrong.)

Str8tupg42k1
01-17-2006, 03:24 PM
All you so called fans saying that you will leave the team and go to the tacks if we dont draft young, like el tejano said don't let the door hit you in the @$$ and if you have season tickets that would be better. But i'll bet none of you will respond or sell the tickets you will stick by and ride the tacks pole until the texans get good and say you have been with them since day one. The oilers where the oilers they will never be the oilers again it's gone quit your nostalgia and either get with it or go. The Texans are here and thats it.
I could care less who they draft, I have my opinions but I have no say in it, as long as what's better for the team.

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 03:25 PM
This is a serious question. How do you know that Vince Young is a proven winner? I do understand he is 32-2 in college and won the national championship, but we are talking about the NFL. 75% of college players will never play a down in the pro's. How do you know how he will react to a blitzing defense? To a shoty O-line? To receivers who give you zero help when you are running for your life?

If we are talking about winners I will pose the question again. If this is truely about replacing Carr cause he is damaged goods and will never be a good QB, what about Lienart? He has won two national championships and the heisman and only lost one game, to Young's one championship and no heisman's.

Reggie=Howard? Vince Young is evolution? You must have a better magic 8-ball than I do cause mine isnt telling me anything. I will have to admit that when I gazed upon the ole Magic-8 and asked the question how many wins we would have this year its shot back a possible, possible 16-0(it thought we would have an easy schedule, I thought 12-4. We were both wrong.)

This basically boils down to one point . . . the college game is different and you can't easily project NFL success based solely on success in college.

As for Leinart v. Young, wasn't that settled on the field on 1/4? And didn't Leinart have a HUGE talent advantage backing him up as well (Bush/White/Jarrett/Smith/Byrd)? Seriously I would love to have that unit on the field for my pro team. Young had a solid crew, but he was the true difference maker - no doubt about it.

Reggie Bush is a great talent. I don't think he should be denegrated to fit the argument in favor of Young. The issue is whether the Texans are better off with a great qb that brings overall leadership or fitting a piece to the puzzle in by adding a great combination RB/WR and believing Carr will get the job done. Don't expect Reggie Bush to return kicks btw. He's not nearly as good as Jerome.

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 03:28 PM
All you so called fans saying that you will leave the team and go to the tacks if we dont draft young, like el tejano said don't let the door hit you in the @$$ and if you have season tickets that would be better. But i'll bet none of you will respond or sell the tickets you will stick by and ride the tacks pole until the texans get good and say you have been with them since day one. The oilers where the oilers they will never be the oilers again it's gone quit your nostalgia and either get with it or go. The Texans are here and thats it.
I could care less who they draft, I have my opinions but I have no say in it, as long as what's better for the team.

Look. This organization - as a business - can't take the perspective that you don't have to win over the fans. It's not like a college team that's been around since the dawn of time. It should be OK to be a Texans 2%er or T-shirt fan at this point. These are potential long-term fans for this team and they will need them to survive. I do think the key to building a longterm fan base is winning. You have to get to the playoffs to get the interest level up where it needs to be. I don't understand the burning desire to run off potential fans of your team just because they don't share your views.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 03:31 PM
My best case scenario is VY in Houston.
Second best case scenario is Bush in Houston and VY NOT in TN or Dallas.
I am not so keen on the trading down stuff for a multitude of reasons. :texflag:

I echo those same sentiments as well. But I will say this, I will keep an eye on the Titans more than I have been doing (which was not at all) if that is Young's ultimate destination. Just seeing Young in Tennessee or Dallas would really disappoint me. I just don't have the faith in Carr that some of you do. First and foremost, my loyality is to Houston period. I love this city and its people. I can't see me cheering for another team.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 03:39 PM
What is it with the name Bush? Is it synonymous with division of people?

Texans_Chick
01-17-2006, 03:41 PM
yep, me and Jungle Bob were at that game, too! We got there thinking we'd get in with no problem, but so many people showed up that we ended up missing a good chunk of the first quarter. So many Steelers fans, and such a sweet victory for a lameduck team and a bunch of broken-hearted football fans.

IIRC, there was some sort of car show going on at the same time. And there weren't enough folks directing traffic for both things going on. I didn't get in until the end of the first quarter.

My seat was just about the best seat you could get in the Dome which meant that it still stunk. That was just a bad place to watch a football game. Bad sight lines everywhere.

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 03:54 PM
As for Leinart v. Young, wasn't that settled on the field on 1/4? And didn't Leinart have a HUGE talent advantage backing him up as well (Bush/White/Jarrett/Smith/Byrd)? Seriously I would love to have that unit on the field for my pro team. Young had a solid crew, but he was the true difference maker - no doubt about it.


I wouldnt consider one game, even the national championship, as the desiding factor of who is the better QB. How many perfect seasons does Young have to Leinart? How many Heismans? How many national championships?

As for all the fans who are saying that they will never buy tickets again or watch the team or rout for the titans (lightning will strike you down for that one) consider this, winning solves all problems and in a city of 4 million people and a state with the largest population I dont think it will take a whole lot to get people to the games once we start winning. In my humbled yet over stated opinion Bush gives us the best opportunity to win now and be good now, not later.

Htown34s
01-17-2006, 03:56 PM
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 03:58 PM
My seat was just about the best seat you could get in the Dome which meant that it still stunk. That was just a bad place to watch a football game. Bad sight lines everywhere.
What are you talking about!!!! Lanier, the county commisioner guy, and McClane himself said there was nothing wrong with the dome. That is why we didnt build a new stadium.

Say didnt McClane threaten to move the Astros if we didnt build him a new ballpark?

Htown34s
01-17-2006, 04:04 PM
What are you talking about!!!! Lanier, the county commisioner guy, and McClane himself said there was nothing wrong with the dome. That is why we didnt build a new stadium.

Say didnt McClane threaten to move the Astros if we didnt build him a new ballpark?

Another thing to be thankful for, not worrying about new stadiums for the next 20+ years!

chall8
01-17-2006, 04:07 PM
Nighthawk,

I feel your pain. When the Oilers lost, I felt like someone kicked me in the gut.

When the Texans lose... honestly I'm indifferent.

I just haven't "bonded" with this team. And I HAVE tried. I bought a PSL and had season tickets, I went to all the games, had a great time and all...

But so far this organization has made it very difficult to be a fan. I love Mr. McNair and am grateful for all he's done for this city. But from Casserly on down it has so far been a disaster, and I think Mr. McNair made a huge mistake in retaining him. He should've just cleaned house and started over.

I'd love to see Vince in here, but honestly the most important thing this team can do is WIN. So their football people need to make their decisions based on that. I do have a lot of faith in Kubiak.

I am a Houstonian and so it's difficult to be loyal to any team not from here. If Vince goes to the Saints or Titans then I will root for them. In the meantime I'm not going to allow myself to get to close to the Texans until I see them at least have a decent draft.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 04:09 PM
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.

Ah, the memories of me going to R.P. Harris Elementary worshiping Billy "White Shoes" Johnson. I cried my eyes out when the refs (my how somethings never change) blew the CATCH that Renfro made in Pittsburg. H-Town 34's and Texan Chick I back your sentiments one million percent! It would mean a great deal to me for Young to play here. Eventhough the odds are stacked against it. I just want my kids to experience the highs that I did as a child cheering a native while playing for the home team. Is that really so wrong?

kbourda
01-17-2006, 04:11 PM
Nighthawk,

I feel your pain. When the Oilers lost, I felt like someone kicked me in the gut.

When the Texans lose... honestly I'm indifferent.

I just haven't "bonded" with this team. And I HAVE tried. I bought a PSL and had season tickets, I went to all the games, had a great time and all...

But so far this organization has made it very difficult to be a fan. I love Mr. McNair and am grateful for all he's done for this city. But from Casserly on down it has so far been a disaster, and I think Mr. McNair made a huge mistake in retaining him. He should've just cleaned house and started over.

I'd love to see Vince in here, but honestly the most important thing this team can do is WIN. So their football people need to make their decisions based on that. I do have a lot of faith in Kubiak.

I am a Houstonian and so it's difficult to be loyal to any team not from here. If Vince goes to the Saints or Titans then I will root for them. In the meantime I'm not going to allow myself to get to close to the Texans until I see them at least have a decent draft.

I'll give Mr. McNair some credit for trying to rectify the mistakes of CC. But now he needs to seal the deal and cancel CC's ***!

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 04:12 PM
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!

Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.

But thats my opinion.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 04:25 PM
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!

Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.

But thats my opinion.
Thank you too buddy! But on Young, you know what I see in him, I see attitude, confidence, leadership. You have to admit it takes a pretty big set to say on TV that you plan to make people re-think their Heisman vote at the Rose Bowl. Then to start the year out challenging his teammates to rally around him for the Ohio State game. It's kinda like the Montana-Elway arguement. Elway did it with no tools in the box, Montana did it with all the tools box (BTW, I am a Montana guy). He plays with a chip on his shoulder. I just have a feeling that the Texans not drafting him will inspire him a whole lot more. BTW, did you see the look on his face when they gave the Heisman to Bush? The expression on his face told a thousand stories. I can accept Leinart or Bush coming here from the Titans and having career days against us more readily than I could Young having career days against us.

Htown34s
01-17-2006, 04:30 PM
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!
Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.
But thats my opinion.

Sorry, I feel your pain too. But truthfully, a lot of fans never got over Bud trading Earl and firing Bum. The Moon era just felt different.

Speaking of Vince, while he has outstanding numbers of his own, that isn't what you look at when taking someone like him. It seems to me like you haven't seen him in more than a game or two. I've seen every game he has played in. He is truely an incredible talent.

Sure, running QB's don't last long, but how many of those were ever 6'-5" and 235 lbs? Could they make people miss like him? What about their leadership ability? The Rose Bowl wasn't the first time that I saw VY lead his team to victory through shear will power.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 04:32 PM
Sorry, I feel your pain too. But truthfully, a lot of fans never got over Bud trading Earl and firing Bum. The Moon era just felt different.

Speaking of Vince, while he has outstanding numbers of his own, that isn't what you look at when taking someone like him. It seems to me like you haven't seen him in more than a game or two. I've seen every game he has played in. He is truely an incredible talent.

Sure, running QB's don't last long, but how many of those were ever 6'-5" and 235 lbs? Could they make people miss like him? What about their leadership ability? The Rose Bowl wasn't the first time that I saw VY lead his team to victory through shear will power.

I like the stuff about Young you don't see. The things you can't coach.

ComstockLode
01-17-2006, 04:37 PM
heh.. first its "DONT LET HIM GO TO THE TITANS!" then its "I may have to become a Titans fan if they have Vince Young"... then when we go to the superbowl it will be "I love the Texans! they are my hometown team!"

There are alot of people out there like that, but not everyone is like that. I always favor my home teams over any other teams, but their are always teams I root for.

For instance, I grew up rooting for the red sox. Everything about them I like. For some reason, I could no longer identify with the red sox after trading nomar and getting curt schilling. Not a team that I recognized. The year the red sox won the championship, I was not that excited nor did I cheer for them. That and I hate bandwagon fans.

I have debated over this switch as well.

I loved the oilers and died with the oilers. Their are only two other teams in all of sports that I now feel that way for. Longhorn football and Astros baseball. Thank god for Longhorn football or I have no idea what I would have done without "any" football team to cheer for.

I hate bud adams. Problem is I love steve mcnair. I dont know how anyone could dislike the guy. So the titans are just another team to me, that I hope we beat nothing special. No oilers are really left, so that team doesnt embody anything about the oilers to me.

If they get vince young, it will be very tough for me. Vince Young next to Ernest Givins is probably my favorite football player of all time. It will be almost impossible for me to root against him.

This will be very hard either way if Vince gets drafted by the titans.

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 05:05 PM
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!

Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.

But thats my opinion.

Uh. You really didn't respond to the context of my thread. Leinart was playing with a team of men against boys for the most part. White/Bush/Byrd/Jarrett/Smith - that's 5 super stars to toss the ball to mostly against very undersized and low quality Pac-10 defenses.

I see Leinart as a good choice. I think he makes good reads and delivers the ball, although in the USC offense he usually had 3-4 open options on nearly every play so it is hard to tell. He is a great competitor, no doubt. But he also showed a horrible tendency to coast in the early parts of games allowing his team to fall behind pretty regularly and to have to pull several comeback wins out of the hat.

As for counting accomplishments, I do think you have to consider that Vince just developed into a passing QB in his final year. It took some time for him to feel comfortable as a passer in the Texas offense. But he showed that he can do it (and do it better than anyone in the country). And even before he really got comfortable with the pocket passing, he lead Texas in a 1-loss season that ended with a big Rose Bowl win. So, maybe Leinart is more likely to hit the ground running. But the Texans are a longterm project right now. So I don't necessarily see this as very important.

titan hater
01-17-2006, 05:08 PM
ummm... no thankyou... I HATE the Titans!

GO TEXANS! :redtowel:

me too!!!!

Double Barrel
01-17-2006, 05:08 PM
As for Leinart v. Young, wasn't that settled on the field on 1/4? And didn't Leinart have a HUGE talent advantage backing him up as well (Bush/White/Jarrett/Smith/Byrd)? Seriously I would love to have that unit on the field for my pro team. Young had a solid crew, but he was the true difference maker - no doubt about it.

Actually, to be fair, that road goes both way. Young had the no. 4 defense on his team, while Leinart had a 35th ranked defense at USC. Big difference. (Gotta' wonder how Young would have faired against his own defense :hmmm: )

TexanBacker93
01-17-2006, 05:15 PM
There sure are a lot of absolutes in all these debates. I still feel that no matter who the Texans end up drafting fans will flock to the stadium if they start winning. Are all the VY fans going to rush to Reliant to watch him hold a clipboard for a year? He won't start even if he is the #1 pick. The team will be horrible again and end up with a top 5 pick next season as well. I can tell you that McNair definitely doesn't want that again. None of us really does. VY people seem to think the fans will tolerate losing as long as they used that #1 on a local boy.

I'm not convinced that either Bush or Young will be failures or hall of famers. Every year there are players that are can't miss prospects. Each draft brings about mentions of the next Montana, Sanders, Singletary.

I'll continue to root for this team no matter who they draft. I grew up in Colorado and that's a state that knows how to back a football team. True, they've been one of the best franchises in football since the early 80s, but they've had lean years and their fans still watched them. No matter who the Texans select I predict that when this organization starts winning there will be no empty seats.

Hookem Horns
01-17-2006, 05:33 PM
Speaking of running QB's, there was another running QB with the same last name as Vince that wasn't that bad.

jmerog
01-17-2006, 05:38 PM
heh.. first its "DONT LET HIM GO TO THE TITANS!" then its "I may have to become a Titans fan if they have Vince Young"... then when we go to the superbowl it will be "I love the Texans! they are my hometown team!"
I like it all including the signature. Young isn't the solution for the texans.
Kubiak is a good start though.

dirty steve
01-17-2006, 05:40 PM
Listen--

when Clyde had big games against the Rockets did it hurt you?
when Adam Dunn might hit a game winning home run against the Astros does it hurt you?

players leave, and players can always come back home, like Clyde. Adam Dunn is a FA in the next couple of years and would obviously be targeted by the Astros when/if he becomes available.

you root for the team, not the f-in player, OK!!!

plus, i see all these people now saying "Well, I rooted for the Oilers back in the day, but I never really got into the Texans for whatever reason." that is a lame-*** copout. if you never really got into the team, then why do you still have season tickets 4-5 years in? are you going to be same person who tries to get their PSL or tickets back when Reggie Bush goes Marshall Faulk, D'Brickashaw becomes our own Anthony Munoz, or Mario Williams who becomes the next Charles Haley--all of whom went to MULTIPLE Super Bowls with their respective teams.) just say you want in VInce's pants and we can live with that.

what excuse will you have when/if the Texans get good or go to the playoffs, with or without Vincent Young.

Dennis007
01-17-2006, 05:43 PM
what excuse will you have when/if the Texans get good or go to the playoffs?

If IF were a fif- we'd all be drunk.:challenge

They will get good when they trade Carr and Draft VY :redtowel:

Mario Williams
01-17-2006, 05:46 PM
I've been an Oilers fan since the Charlie Hennigan, Charlie Tolar and George Blanda. When the Oilers moved I did not like Fisher and his brand of football, which was downright Capers-like in those days. I lost interest.

Then came the Texans. I got interested until Casserly and Capers and Carr and the team stunk it up. A couple years ago I faded. Games were boring and team wasn't happening. This year team was a freaking joke. An embarassment. I paid for my NFL Sunday Ticket but couldn't bear to watch.

Now comes Vince Young, ours for the taking. The guy is a big time major league leader with skills to match. He IS what you want your franchise to be about, talent and success and never giving up and having the will to win. He's QB equivalent of Earl Campbell.

So now the Texans are planning on taking a really excellent RB from USC instead, a guy who will have some effect on the team, but won't be the salvation of the team. It's a mistake. It's a rube's play. Sure, having a quick RB who can cut (better than DD, maybe) is a good idea. 1st pick in the draft? Nah.

If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.

Then go, you weren't a true Texan fan to begin with.

TEXANRED
01-17-2006, 05:46 PM
There sure are a lot of absolutes in all these debates. I still feel that no matter who the Texans end up drafting fans will flock to the stadium if they start winning. Are all the VY fans going to rush to Reliant to watch him hold a clipboard for a year? He won't start even if he is the #1 pick. The team will be horrible again and end up with a top 5 pick next season as well. I can tell you that McNair definitely doesn't want that again. None of us really does. VY people seem to think the fans will tolerate losing as long as they used that #1 on a local boy.

I'm not convinced that either Bush or Young will be failures or hall of famers. Every year there are players that are can't miss prospects. Each draft brings about mentions of the next Montana, Sanders, Singletary.

I'll continue to root for this team no matter who they draft. I grew up in Colorado and that's a state that knows how to back a football team. True, they've been one of the best franchises in football since the early 80s, but they've had lean years and their fans still watched them. No matter who the Texans select I predict that when this organization starts winning there will be no empty seats.
I agree. No matter what I will root for this team and support them. I would however love to win now. 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, 2-14. How many more dues are we gonna have to pay?

I am mainly against Young just b/c I have faith that Carr can turn that corner under Kubiack. If Plummer can take the Broncos to the AFC championship, why not Carr?

jmerog
01-17-2006, 05:47 PM
Listen--

you root for the team, not the f-in player, OK!!!

what excuse will you have when/if the Texans get good or go to the playoffs, with or without Vincent Young.
Yessir! say it again

Caphorn
01-17-2006, 06:02 PM
Actually, to be fair, that road goes both way. Young had the no. 4 defense on his team, while Leinart had a 35th ranked defense at USC. Big difference. (Gotta' wonder how Young would have faired against his own defense :hmmm: )

Actually Leinart had the 3rd or 4th best D in the country the year USC won the NC game (the only time USC played in a game of this magnitude). It was a great win but OU rolled over in the Orange Bowl. There's no other way to explain that result.

Regardless, I think you missed the point of my response. I'm not saying Leinart is a bad quarterback at all. He's fantastic really. But I have a hard time thinking he's VINCE given that his big wins have usually happened as a result of other talented team members pulling him over the goal line - figuratively and literally. And there is no way in hell you could convince anyone that has followed Vince Young that he would have let USC sneak a win in where he had an 11 point lead in the 4th Quarter of any game.

It is hard to convince someone of the whole "vince" aura. But I have seen what the man does. He is more Joe Montana or John Elway, than any of the guys he's regularly compared to. A gritty competitor that instills faith and confidence in the players around him and makes wins happen on the biggest stage.

Texans_Chick
01-17-2006, 06:29 PM
Listen--

when Clyde had big games against the Rockets did it hurt you?
when Adam Dunn might hit a game winning home run against the Astros does it hurt you?

players leave, and players can always come back home, like Clyde. Adam Dunn is a FA in the next couple of years and would obviously be targeted by the Astros when/if he becomes available.

you root for the team, not the f-in player, OK!!!

plus, i see all these people now saying "Well, I rooted for the Oilers back in the day, but I never really got into the Texans for whatever reason." that is a lame-*** copout. if you never really got into the team, then why do you still have season tickets 4-5 years in? are you going to be same person who tries to get their PSL or tickets back when Reggie Bush goes Marshall Faulk, D'Brickashaw becomes our own Anthony Munoz, or Mario Williams who becomes the next Charles Haley--all of whom went to MULTIPLE Super Bowls with their respective teams.) just say you want in VInce's pants and we can live with that.

what excuse will you have when/if the Texans get good or go to the playoffs, with or without Vincent Young.


I will always be a Texans fan no matter what, and it is much mo better to have an owner that won't embarrass you and the city by flipping off people, dressing like a clown, having the scariest hair this side of Jimmy Johnson, being a cheap bastidge that tries to not pay people he's suppose to, etc etc like the Dud.

I just don't want the Dud to get a player who I think is the BPA of this draft. The Titanhicks are in our division, the Dud is evil, I am bitter about it, so yeah, I don't want to let the flying meatballs get VY. I haven't gotten over Bud stealing Steve McNair away and I am bitter about that. Happy I have my team, but I don't want him getting another fabu potential upside QB.

I root for my Texans, and I root like **** against teams too.

I think there are all sorts of players that have the potential to be great in the draft--it is just that I think that Vince is the BPA. I know that there are some that think that people who think Vince should be picked have drunk the orange koolaid, or want to get in his pants, have mancrushes or whatever ad hominem attack you can think of, but there are many legit reasons why people think he is the number #1 pick.

And as sick as people are about the "VY worship", at least this person here is sick of all the "People who want VY as the #1 pick are (insert insulting adjective followed by derrogatory nouns)."

It is quite possible to have a discussion of Bush or Young or whoever, without accusing everyone who has a opinion different than yours of having some sort of sexualized delusion.

That being said, I agree that it is pretty sick of people to say they won't be a fan of the Texans unless they pick VY. But you know what, I am guessing that a certain percentage of the general public will feel that way. It just is what it is.

For any team, there will always be huge fans and then the bandwagoners that come when the wins eventually come. It ain't something that just the Texans are faced with. Whatever we do, the wagon is gonna be interesting next year.

:redtowel:

ComstockLode
01-17-2006, 08:28 PM
How about this: I have been a texan fan for four years?

I have been a longhorn my whole life.

swisher
01-18-2006, 12:25 AM
How about this: I have been a texan fan for four years?

I have been a longhorn my whole life.


So what? Vince Young doesn't play for Texas anymore.

bigtex77
01-18-2006, 07:53 AM
Maybe the way they play and the way they make personell decisions they don't deserve to have any fans until they trade in the broken carr.

Does anyone remember, texansneedrbin05? iI think Big B may be him, but has shifted his attention to David. LOL

michaelm
01-18-2006, 11:26 AM
If I read this one more time about Bush or Young, I think I might go over the deep end.

Sorry to say it man, but you might as well go on over the deep end 'cause you know it's coming... many, many more times...

Jack Bauer
01-18-2006, 12:00 PM
wow, great story!!! i opened up this thread thinking i was going to see some stories about old-school Houston pro football. turns out all it was somebody stumping for vince, again. all you did was dug up some old Oilers names. lame...just say "this is another i want vince. thread."

Agreed. I was hoping for some good-times revisited.

TheOgre
01-18-2006, 12:39 PM
Sorry to say it man, but you might as well go on over the deep end 'cause you know it's coming... many, many more times...

"The Ogre is the most unique Texans' fan to come along since Joe Texan. He avoids bandwagons and fights the current flow of popular opinion. He is definitely a once-in-a-century fan. " LOL. I couldn't even type that without laughing. :superman:

ComstockLode
01-18-2006, 05:22 PM
So what? Vince Young doesn't play for Texas anymore.

You dont understand what it means to be a college sports fan. Once a longhorn always a longhorn.

stevo3883
01-18-2006, 09:07 PM
You dont understand what it means to be a college sports fan. Once a longhorn always a longhorn.

lots of these guys dont follow college fball much. some not at all.


yet, when it comes to discussing college players, nobody knows more than they do.

YodAa
01-18-2006, 09:49 PM
I've been an Oilers fan since the Charlie Hennigan, Charlie Tolar and George Blanda. When the Oilers moved I did not like Fisher and his brand of football, which was downright Capers-like in those days. I lost interest.

Then came the Texans. I got interested until Casserly and Capers and Carr and the team stunk it up. A couple years ago I faded. Games were boring and team wasn't happening. This year team was a freaking joke. An embarassment. I paid for my NFL Sunday Ticket but couldn't bear to watch.

Now comes Vince Young, ours for the taking. The guy is a big time major league leader with skills to match. He IS what you want your franchise to be about, talent and success and never giving up and having the will to win. He's QB equivalent of Earl Campbell.

So now the Texans are planning on taking a really excellent RB from USC instead, a guy who will have some effect on the team, but won't be the salvation of the team. It's a mistake. It's a rube's play. Sure, having a quick RB who can cut (better than DD, maybe) is a good idea. 1st pick in the draft? Nah.

If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.

why are you even here if you consider that an option?

YodAa
01-18-2006, 09:51 PM
Does anyone remember, texansneedrbin05? iI think Big B may be him, but has shifted his attention to David. LOL

hey i no dat dude, hes a friend of mine. He told me in the middle of this season that he was considering making his new sn "Texansneedcoachingstaffin06" lol

Hookem Horns
01-18-2006, 10:37 PM
you root for the team, not the f-in player, OK!!!



I agree with that, however I know many of you were rooting for the Oilers AFTER they left. A lot of people I know in Houston were and I know plenty on this board that were. When I got on someone about that the answer always was....

"I root for the players, not the owner. I am rooting for Steve McNair, Eddie George, Bruce Matthews.... blah blah"

Fess up

bigtex77
01-19-2006, 08:14 AM
I agree with that, however I know many of you were rooting for the Oilers AFTER they left. A lot of people I know in Houston were and I know plenty on this board that were. When I got on someone about that the answer always was....

"I root for the players, not the owner. I am rooting for Steve McNair, Eddie George, Bruce Matthews.... blah blah"

Fess up

I actually quit rooting for them when they left town, at the time my two fav players in the NFL happened to be Brett Favre and Reggie White. Both played in Green Bay and that, coupled with the fact that they were one of Dallas' biggest foes at the time was why I cheered for them, until the day the NFL announced that Houston would be the next expansion team.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
01-19-2006, 08:30 AM
How about this: I have been a texan fan for four years?

I have been a longhorn my whole life.

I think this says it all. You are looking for the best interest of a fellow longhorn, not the best interest of the Houston Texans. I hope the Kubes and Co. make the right decision if it means we trade the lot for a group of Rugby players that can suit up, play American Football and take us to the promised land. I have no issue with Longhorn fans wanting Vince, its only a natural thing, however a lot of arguments on message boards are stemming from college loyalties without considering that there are other ways to win ballgames. Which way is Best?? Draft Vince, Trade Carr? Draft Reggie? Trade Down? I honestly do not know what will be best 2-3 years from now, I have opinions like everyone else, but I will just hope that our refreshed staff will make the right decisions and I will continue to support and watch the games. In all honesty...of all the Longhorn fans on this board or anywhere else, Do any of you think we should not Draft Vince Young?

Jack Bauer
01-19-2006, 08:54 AM
Once a longhorn always a longhorn.

Nope. The saying is "Once an Aggie, always an Aggie!"

See the alumni association for both schools:

Association of Former Students - Texas A&M University Former student, NEVER Ex-Aggie.

Texas Exes - Ex-Longhorn, hear it all the time.

Kind of says it all! :redtowel:

:rolleyes:

Big B Texan Fan
01-19-2006, 09:56 AM
Does anyone remember, texansneedrbin05? iI think Big B may be him, but has shifted his attention to David. LOL
That's funny, I used to battle it out with him 'til the wee hours of the morning. But to your dismay, I'm not him nor will I change my name.
It is my opinion that Carr needs a fresh start elsewhere. That "texansneedrbin05" guy wanted to get a new RB after DD had a good season, I've given up on carr since week 2, he's had a bad season and will never be successful here.
Love his toughness, grit, and could only hope that my kids grow up to be like him, but...........I don't like his QBing ability. I've transferred locations within the same company with the same responsibilities and was bitter about it but once I realized that after it was for the best, I was thankful. Fresh start! It's one of those things we'll never know until 3-4 years after the fact.

TheOgre
01-19-2006, 11:48 AM
Nope. The saying is "Once an Aggie, always an Aggie!"

See the alumni association for both schools:

Association of Former Students - Texas A&M University Former student, NEVER Ex-Aggie.

Texas Exes - Ex-Longhorn, hear it all the time.

Kind of says it all! :redtowel:

:rolleyes:

Semantics. Both are ex-students. :stirpot:

ComstockLode
01-19-2006, 12:07 PM
I think this says it all. You are looking for the best interest of a fellow longhorn, not the best interest of the Houston Texans. I hope the Kubes and Co. make the right decision if it means we trade the lot for a group of Rugby players that can suit up, play American Football and take us to the promised land. I have no issue with Longhorn fans wanting Vince, its only a natural thing, however a lot of arguments on message boards are stemming from college loyalties without considering that there are other ways to win ballgames. Which way is Best?? Draft Vince, Trade Carr? Draft Reggie? Trade Down? I honestly do not know what will be best 2-3 years from now, I have opinions like everyone else, but I will just hope that our refreshed staff will make the right decisions and I will continue to support and watch the games. In all honesty...of all the Longhorn fans on this board or anywhere else, Do any of you think we should not Draft Vince Young?

I dont disagree with this argument.

I just have a problem with so many people so in love with the texans but for what? Who are you rooting for. Pictures on the helmet? Logos? There is no loyalty to players. You root for uniforms.

So for me to want a player like vince young inside of that uniform to cheer for is natural because I like rooting for players to succeed.

I cant suddenly cheer against him if the titans draft him and the texans pass on him.

I think the biggest problem with being a pro sports fan, is you only root for uniforms. But players like Hakeem Olajuwan are players who end up winning championships and are remembered forever. Even a player like Earl Campbell who didnt win a championship.

Jack Bauer
01-19-2006, 12:36 PM
Semantics. Both are ex-students. :stirpot:

:pigfly: Nope. The words were chosen for a reason. There is a "family" atmosphere in College Station. Can't say the same for Austin! :twocents:

:redtowel:

Texan Gal 312
01-19-2006, 01:02 PM
In all honesty...of all the Longhorn fans on this board or anywhere else, Do any of you think we should not Draft Vince Young?

I for one and there are others. If some of the offers to trade down a few spots are as ridiculous as they have been in previous years I don't see how you could refuse.
If they chose not to trade down then I am for Reggie.

I guess I am in the minority on several things. I pulled for the Titans when they moved to Tennessee b/c we did not have a team and b/c of the players like Bruce Matthews and the coach . I also thought the people that wanted the Oilers out of town were *****s b/c I saw a team that was on the verge of a superbowl run. As some of these players moved on, I gradually pulled for them less. Once the Texans came into existence they became unimportant to me.

So no, I do not pull for the logos on the side of the helmets. I can probably easily name all of the Texan 53 man roster and positions they play - so I am familiar with my team and pull for the players.
Everytime I run into one of these so called "cowboy fans" who want to give me grief they have to qualify themselves. If they have lived in the Dallas area it is ok to be a "Cowboy Fan" If they have not, I always ask them to name the starting offensive line. If they can not.. they are not a fan and please don't be telling how "great" they are.

Glacier
01-19-2006, 02:31 PM
heh.. first its "DONT LET HIM GO TO THE TITANS!" then its "I may have to become a Titans fan if they have Vince Young"... then when we go to the superbowl it will be "I love the Texans! they are my hometown team!"


You forgot the, I'm a Cowboys fan but, the team is boring these days. You left out the, The Texans are a scrub expansion team that happens to play in Texas, to everyone outside of the Houston Area, NOT a Texas team....yet....

Vince would give the Texans a TEXAS identity and would create more support for the Texans outside of their market. He is THAT charismatic and THAT good.

I'll say it again....I change the channel when the Texans are on. They suck. Sadly, we get EVERY Texans game here in Austin rather than the more interesting AFC games around the league....

Win or lose, I would be a Vince Young fan though and WILL watch him, if possible where ever he plays. I just think that when he wins a Superbowl, it would be nice if he was bringing that Superbowl home to Texas.

I mean think of this, Houston fans.....

Look at the amount of traffic that this message board has had generated just from the IDEA that Vince MIGHT come here to the Texans.....

That is just based on the HOPE and possibility that Vince could play here. I'll say it again though..True Vince Young fans would rather not see him go to the Texans where his chances to be successful would be greatly reduced by a crappy football program.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
01-19-2006, 04:14 PM
As far as the who are you rooting for argument - I am rooting for the city of Houston where I was born and raised, I hope they suceed not for the players but for the fans of the city. Most players are in a win win situation. Even the lowest paid players make more than most people make in 10 years....so win/win - Even after a 2-14 season they are not scrapeing funds together to pay rent or feed their family. I like players and follow many, but when it comes down to it I am always loyal to my hometown team. I have always like Roger Clemens but I cringe every time the Yankees won a playoff game... I would be in Misery watching my Astros lose, not taking comfort in the fact that a hometown guy was playing for the evil empire. How many saints fans wear Cheeseheads because Brett Favre is from nearby Gulfport, or Colts jerseys ala Pay-me-a-ton. Tom Brady is from Cali and living in New England the last 2 years he is the Hero around here. My point is that 3 years from now it will not matter where anyone is from or went to college, but rather how they can produce for THIS team. If Reggie can get us wins, take him, if vince can get us wins, take him. People may be sore for a quick time if we do not pick up VY, but time heals wounds and so do Wins. If we are in playoff contention in 2 years, all will be forgotten.

Glacier
01-19-2006, 04:28 PM
As far as the who are you rooting for argument - I am rooting for the city of Houston where I was born and raised, I hope they suceed not for the players but for the fans of the city. Most players are in a win win situation. Even the lowest paid players make more than most people make in 10 years....so win/win - Even after a 2-14 season they are not scrapeing funds together to pay rent or feed their family. I like players and follow many, but when it comes down to it I am always loyal to my hometown team. I have always like Roger Clemens but I cringe every time the Yankees won a playoff game... I would be in Misery watching my Astros lose, not taking comfort in the fact that a hometown guy was playing for the evil empire. How many saints fans wear Cheeseheads because Brett Favre is from nearby Gulfport, or Colts jerseys ala Pay-me-a-ton. Tom Brady is from Cali and living in New England the last 2 years he is the Hero around here. My point is that 3 years from now it will not matter where anyone is from or went to college, but rather how they can produce for THIS team. If Reggie can get us wins, take him, if vince can get us wins, take him. People may be sore for a quick time if we do not pick up VY, but time heals wounds and so do Wins. If we are in playoff contention in 2 years, all will be forgotten.


VERY good points here. I HATED Roy Williams with a passion when he was with OU. Then Dallas drafted him and I was like....AHHH YEA..Roy Williams is MAH BOY! rofl. It is true, there will be some people who are disappointed when VY ends up in Tennesse or whever he lands.

There is one other thing. I DO live in Austin and do follow the Horns. What can I say, I understand the support "the home team" mentality - I really do. That said, I do watch and root for Texas Exes when they are on. I want to see Roy do well in Detroit so long as it isn't vs The Cowboys or Texans. I do want to see DJ do well up with the Chiefs....again, as long as it isn't being up on a Texas team. I just think would be double cool when someone who you have seen grow up on the football field has a shot at playing on one of the teams you are passionate about.

I'm just a "Texas Football Fan" in general. I was happy to see Dat get drafted by Dallas cause I watched him when he played for the Aggies. You know what I'm saying?

I'm just odd in that I root for Texas football teams and players. When Tech beat up on OU.....that was pure joy. When TCU beat OU....o man. I just about had to change my undies.

I'll say it again. I am a Dallas Cowboys fan. I was a Houston Oilers fan. I'd LIKE to be a Houston Texan's fan but....the Texans have to do something first before they start winning over hearts in Texas. Win baby...

The Texans need an identity. Watching Earl Campbell play...that was Texas football watching him PUNISH the opposition. It made me feel good inside....hyped me up....made me want to go hit someone in some yard ball....

I get that same feeling when I see Larry Allen completely OWN someone. lmao (yes Larry Allen is my favorite Cowboy - I'm strange I know having an O lineman as my fave).

The Texans need someone like that...someone who you just WANT to cheer for. The only player I can think of that I like on the Texans right now is, D Davis and he has been a little on the injury prone side, though, I'll still take him on my fantasy team.

Hardcore Texan
01-19-2006, 04:48 PM
You forgot the, I'm a Cowboys fan but, the team is boring these days. You left out the, The Texans are a scrub expansion team that happens to play in Texas, to everyone outside of the Houston Area, NOT a Texas team....yet....

Rand McNally invented this thing several years ago called a MAP! I live in the Austin Area, so gimme a break! That is outside of Houston ain't it. Thanks for speaking on my behalf, with such class BTW. They are a Texas team to me! They are my TEAM, quit assuming so much.

Vince would give the Texans a TEXAS identity and would create more support for the Texans outside of their market. He is THAT charismatic and THAT good.

Finally a decent statement from you, I was beginning to wonder. I had season tickets to the Longhorns this year, and I am VY supporter, and want to see him succeed, but my pro-team, and favorite overall team are the Texans, and I want what's best for them. If it turns out we draft VY then great, If not I will always root for him wherever he goes.

I'll say it again....I change the channel when the Texans are on. They suck. Sadly, we get EVERY Texans game here in Austin rather than the more interesting AFC games around the league....

eehh! wrong answer. and what do we have for him Johnny! Why it's a case of turtle wax. Several games didn't get shown this season here in Austin, 4 or 5 of them.

Win or lose, I would be a Vince Young fan though and WILL watch him, if possible where ever he plays. I just think that when he wins a Superbowl, it would be nice if he was bringing that Superbowl home to Texas.

Wow. These are the kind of comments that you should stick to.

I mean think of this, Houston fans.....

Look at the amount of traffic that this message board has had generated just from the IDEA that Vince MIGHT come here to the Texans.....

That is just based on the HOPE and possibility that Vince could play here. I'll say it again though..True Vince Young fans would rather not see him go to the Texans where his chances to be successful would be greatly reduced by a crappy football program.

And for the record, I have several friends/in-laws that are cowgirl fans, but they don't have to hate on the Texans to support their team. You know what I am sayin'.

Glacier
01-19-2006, 04:56 PM
And for the record, I have several friends/in-laws that are cowgirl fans, but they don't have to hate on the Texans to support their team. You know what I am sayin'.

What? Truth is truth man. The players play the game....true, very true. Thing is, there needs to be leadership. At this point, it is pretty well documented that most people think that this GM needs to go. There has to be some accountability for the decision making. If the Texan's didn't have a crappy football program (football program being the responsibility of the owner and GM) they would be winning and there would be 0 discussion about the 1st pick in the draft.

Bringing in Dan Reeves to evaluate the franchise...that shows due dilligence on the part of ownership. I was actually hoping Dan Reeves might stick around to become the General Manager of the Texans.

SheTexan
01-19-2006, 06:35 PM
OK, after that long windup, this is my pitch: I don't want the Dudster to steal another one of my amazing upside QBs. Evar evar evar!!!! It just reopens old wounds, and given good QB longevity, it could hurt for a decade.

I'm not saying that VY is the next Steve McNair--he is different than McNair and different than any QB I've ever seen. The comparisons are hard to make, but like McNair, he was seen as a bit of a project, and both were players that I wanted to see develop. Dud robbed me of one of those guys, I don't wanted to be robbed of a second.
:texflag:

HUMMMMMM!!! Remind me!! I don't believe I remember EVER seeing the GREAT Steve McNair holding up the Lombardi!!:sarcasm: Being drafted by the meatballs is a ticket to failure, Bud will see to that. If all you Vince Young worshipers want whats best for the gawd of all QBs, you better hope the miracle of all miracles happens and he gets drafted by someone other than the Texans or the Titans. Carr is the Texans man, regardless of whether you VY loyalist like it or not, and Bud will ruin him in meatball land, just like he did Steve McNair. He will have a better chance to PROVE what all of you have been saying if he plays for NO, the Jets, or GB. Forget this "homer" crap!! I don't care if a player comes from Egypt if he can help my team win the SB!! That stands for SUPERBOWL!! NOT the playoffs!! I'm a greedy old biddy!! I want it ALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I look forward to the day Bob McNair stands on that podium holding the Lombardi up high, and then hands it off to David Carr. The man who stuck it out through all the criticism, managed to stay alive while the Texans played games with the draft, managed to keep a great attitude about HOUSTON fans who were ready to lynch him because they wanted the HOMETOWN boy, and worked his butt off to give to Houston what he came here to do in the first place, a SUPERBOWL win! He has the talent, and the HEART, to get us there! Criticize him all you want, that will only make him better!!

As for this old TEXAN fan!! Well, I bleed STEEL BLUE, not burnt orange!! I personally don't care WHO the Texans draft!! Just bring on someone who will help us get that ultimate prize. After all, I'm gettin OLD and very IMPATIENT!! (the right of all seniors:) )

GOOOOOO TEXANS!!:fans:

Texans_Chick
01-19-2006, 06:37 PM
If the Texan's didn't have a crappy football program (football program being the responsibility of the owner and GM) they would be winning and there would be 0 discussion about the 1st pick in the draft.

In the Cryboy's 4th year of existence, they were 4-10.

You know, it is quite possible to be trying your hardest to put together a good team and fail when you are working with an expansion team. I don't care how good the GM is, the coaching staff is, the drafts are, the FAs you can are able to attract are--it is hard to start from nothing. I am empathetic to the Texans in what they are trying to do. (especially with the way the other owners hamstrung the Texans in the way they could put the team together). In hindsight, some moves look like mistakes but it is hard getting a franchise off the ground. It just is.

TheOgre
01-19-2006, 06:38 PM
:pigfly: Nope. The words were chosen for a reason. There is a "family" atmosphere in College Station. Can't say the same for Austin! :twocents:

:redtowel:

That is because they are of the same family.

"Did you hear? My sister is now dating Cousin Bob."

"Wow. She gave up on Uncle Dave?"

"Yep."

Hardcore Texan
01-19-2006, 08:07 PM
HUMMMMMM!!! Remind me!! I don't believe I remember EVER seeing the GREAT Steve McNair holding up the Lombardi!!:sarcasm: Being drafted by the meatballs is a ticket to failure, Bud will see to that. If all you Vince Young worshipers want whats best for the gawd of all QBs, you better hope the miracle of all miracles happens and he gets drafted by someone other than the Texans or the Titans. Carr is the Texans man, regardless of whether you VY loyalist like it or not, and Bud will ruin him in meatball land, just like he did Steve McNair. He will have a better chance to PROVE what all of you have been saying if he plays for NO, the Jets, or GB. Forget this "homer" crap!! I don't care if a player comes from Egypt if he can help my team win the SB!! That stands for SUPERBOWL!! NOT the playoffs!! I'm a greedy old biddy!! I want it ALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I look forward to the day Bob McNair stands on that podium holding the Lombardi up high, and then hands it off to David Carr. The man who stuck it out through all the criticism, managed to stay alive while the Texans played games with the draft, managed to keep a great attitude about HOUSTON fans who were ready to lynch him because they wanted the HOMETOWN boy, and worked his butt off to give to Houston what he came here to do in the first place, a SUPERBOWL win! He has the talent, and the HEART, to get us there! Criticize him all you want, that will only make him better!!

As for this old TEXAN fan!! Well, I bleed STEEL BLUE, not burnt orange!! I personally don't care WHO the Texans draft!! Just bring on someone who will help us get that ultimate prize. After all, I'm gettin OLD and very IMPATIENT!! (the right of all seniors:) )

GOOOOOO TEXANS!!:fans:

What a great post!
:texflag:

Glacier
01-20-2006, 10:40 AM
(especially with the way the other owners hamstrung the Texans in the way they could put the team together).


woah. what did I miss? how did the other owners hamstring the Texans efforts? they got the top over all pick in the draft and were able to draft players off of other teams. what am i missing here....you know something i dont know about that whole process. please elaborate.

dirty steve
01-20-2006, 12:01 PM
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.


just because i was only around 5 years old at the time doesn't mean i can't appreciate what luv ya blue meant to the city of houston. even though i haven't lived my whole life, i have considered myself a Houstonian ever since I can remember.

if young comes here, i'll cheer him just like i do any other player in a Houston uni. if he doesn't and succeeds, then i'll still cheer my team. but what if bush or brick or hawk or williams comes here and has a comparable career?

Texans_Chick
01-20-2006, 04:46 PM
woah. what did I miss? how did the other owners hamstring the Texans efforts? they got the top over all pick in the draft and were able to draft players off of other teams. what am i missing here....you know something i dont know about that whole process. please elaborate.


IIRC, the experience of the Jags/Panthers getting into the league, the owners felt that the expansion teams received too many draft picks and were able to dominate the free agent market because of the way the cap was. So basically, the Texans were not given as many picks and the expansion draft was not as helpful to us as it mighta been because teams mostly exposed their salary cap problems. The only way we could get them to expose some of their better players was to promise to take their cap headaches too.

When the Jags and Panthers came into existence, they could get fat on experienced players right away because teams hadn't figured out how to protect their best players yet. Now, if a team really wants to keep a top player, they can figure out ways of doing it. The way that the Texans were going to have to build their team was through the draft--and though the Texans lobbied hard for more picks, they dint get them.

It is hard to build a team. I have a lot of empathy for teams building from scratch--especially when the other owners are still bitter from the Jags/Panthers thing, where they lost a lot of players they wanted to keep to FA during the time period where teams were still not good about figuring out how to keep FAs under the salary cap.

So there you go.