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gtexan02
01-16-2006, 12:17 PM
Thats all I can say about this fool. First with the comments about how Peyton and Colts are cheaters, and now this:

"When they did that, they really want Peyton Manning and these guys to win the Super Bowl. They are just going to straight take it for them. I felt that they were like 'We don't even care if you know we're cheating. We're cheating for them."

Even if you believe it (it was sort of questionable), let it go. You won the game! Quit whining about EVERYTHING. Sheesh

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294214

gtexan02
01-16-2006, 12:18 PM
PS: The title was a synonym for not intelligent, and not a cuss word, so Im not really sure why it was bleeped. But please don't think Im here cussing in titles and everything. Not my style! :)

Kaiser Toro
01-16-2006, 12:21 PM
He is free to whine, but there is a check and balance for that and I am sure he will be fined. Football is an emotional game, but those emotions can cost you the game or money if not checked.

Double Barrel
01-16-2006, 01:08 PM
Players are people, too...so they have just as much of a chance as the rest of us to be fools. ;)

Carr Bombed
01-16-2006, 01:36 PM
I'm sure you don't like what he said, but I'm sure the guys in his lockeroom like it. That is the card the Steelers have played all week.

edo783
01-16-2006, 01:41 PM
I smell a MAJOR fine in the wind.

txhoosier
01-16-2006, 04:40 PM
Players are people, too...so they have just as much of a chance as the rest of us to be fools. ;)
players are people...but they are people who...getting paid millions of dollars, are held to a MUCH higher standard of behavior than say...joe schmoe who does not represent his company...nor an entire city, in public...

...and they have more of a chance than the rest of us to act like fools, because the ones who act up have WAY more opportunity to have a mic shoved in their face than anyone.

Before you go complaining that I'm just a bitter Colts fan...I'll give credit where credit is due...Pittsburgh came out and put the beat down on the Colts.

The officiating was HORRIBLE yesterday, on both sides of the ball. Porter needs to shut his &*$^)*!^&#)$*(&^!#)($*&!#$(*&#$()*&(_%^&!#$(_*%&!)(#^$*!&)^#*&$ mouf. (the cursing is me being a bitter Colts fan...LOL)

Tale Gator
01-16-2006, 04:48 PM
Refs admit mistake...
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NFL: Polamalu overturned interception the wrong call

NEW YORK -- The NFL said the referee made a mistake: Troy Polamalu caught the ball.

The league acknowledged Monday that referee Pete Morelli erred when he overturned on replay Polamalu's interception of a Peyton Manning pass Sunday in the playoff game between Pittsburgh and Indianapolis.

Mike Pereira, the league's vice president of officiating, said in a statement that Morelli should have upheld the call, made with 5:26 left in Pittsburgh's win over the Colts.

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309)

Dime
01-16-2006, 05:01 PM
I smell a MAJOR fine in the wind.

Too bad the refs cant be fined

kbourda
01-16-2006, 05:43 PM
players are people...but they are people who...getting paid millions of dollars, are held to a MUCH higher standard of behavior than say...joe schmoe who does not represent his company...nor an entire city, in public...

...and they have more of a chance than the rest of us to act like fools, because the ones who act up have WAY more opportunity to have a mic shoved in their face than anyone.

Before you go complaining that I'm just a bitter Colts fan...I'll give credit where credit is due...Pittsburgh came out and put the beat down on the Colts.

The officiating was HORRIBLE yesterday, on both sides of the ball. Porter needs to shut his &*$^)*!^&#)$*(&^!#)($*&!#$(*&#$()*&(_%^&!#$(_*%&!)(#^$*!&)^#*&$ mouf. (the cursing is me being a bitter Colts fan...LOL)

What someone gets paid is irrelevant to their behavior, lifestyle, dress, or whatever. This is about one of the lamest takes in sports, IMO. If you have beef with what was said about the refs (which by the way should be fined heavily) that's cool. But don't act like what he said was out of line or unjustified. Yes, they won but the NFL doesn't admit to this mistake if the Steelers lose. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. And yes, you are a bitter Colts fan! BTW, how does it feel to win 14 games and be on the sidelines watching with the Texans? *lmao*

Double Barrel
01-16-2006, 07:09 PM
players are people...but they are people who...getting paid millions of dollars, are held to a MUCH higher standard of behavior than say...joe schmoe who does not represent his company...nor an entire city, in public...

IMHO, this is one of the fundamental problems in our society. Why do we hold these guys up to a higher standard? They are entertainers, first and foremost. No different than overpaid actors, rock stars, or anyone else for that matter.

But we, the people, are fools to hold these guys up to any higher standards just because they can catch or throw a football. What about being a professional jock makes them above any one of us? Money? Fame? If these are the only qualifications, we are truly one shallow society.

Entertain me, but don't raise my kid. That's my job. :)

YodAa
01-16-2006, 07:15 PM
I agree with Joey Porter, after watching the game it really looked like the refs wanted Indy to win and its even more beleiveable after watching the NFL kiss the feet of Dungy and Manning all season long. You can call him a whiny baby or w/e you want but just remember the Rockets last summer and how we felt when our team lost because of a bunch of contreversial calls

Napa Auto Parts
01-16-2006, 09:00 PM
I dont blame Porter for his reaction it seems like they were going againts the Colts and the Refs the refs tried hard to give that game to the Colts.:twocents:

txhoosier
01-16-2006, 09:06 PM
IMHO, this is one of the fundamental problems in our society. Why do we hold these guys up to a higher standard? They are entertainers, first and foremost. No different than overpaid actors, rock stars, or anyone else for that matter.

But we, the people, are fools to hold these guys up to any higher standards just because they can catch or throw a football. What about being a professional jock makes them above any one of us? Money? Fame? If these are the only qualifications, we are truly one shallow society.

Entertain me, but don't raise my kid. That's my job. :)
who said anything about raising your kid? If you think that this is one of the fundamental problems in our society, you need to read the newspaper a little more often. There are some REALLY bad things going down around the world, bro. Personally...I think that people who fail to take responsibility for their actions is one of the biggest fundamental problems in our society. But that's not my fault...LOL.

When he takes the mic...he represents his company, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the parent company, the NFL, and the city of Pittsburgh. Similar to an executive who would represent a company in front of the media, he needs to learn how to speak without making himself look like an !d!0t, his company look bad for hiring an !d!0t, and the city for having to deal with such an !d!0t.

The fines from the NFL will support what I say here. You are taking things WAAAAY out of context.

OzzO
01-16-2006, 09:09 PM
Refs admit mistake...

Quality. What's bad is they made some odd call like his knee wasn't on the ground when the ball popped out.. amazing thing is his entire body was when he caught it.

Wonder what if the Colts would've won based off that miss call, since the Steelers probably would've taken more time off the clock and more momentum at that point. Would we still have gotten a "hey, my bad" response from the nfl and refs?

txhoosier
01-16-2006, 09:10 PM
If you have beef with what was said about the refs (which by the way should be fined heavily) that's cool. But don't act like what he said was out of line or unjustified.

So..what is it? Is it something that he should be fined for? Or is it something that is in-line and justified? You contradict yourself in back to back sentences!!! LOLAY!!!
And yes, you are a bitter Colts fan! BTW, how does it feel to win 14 games and be on the sidelines watching with the Texans? *lmao*
More contradiction...you call me a "bitter fan", then follow up that statement with your own bitterness.

You are a good poster...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

mexican_texan
01-16-2006, 09:36 PM
can anyone say jeff van gundy? :homer:

Kaiser Toro
01-16-2006, 09:43 PM
I think Porter should be fined. But to put it in perspective, and not making light of the this Colt fan's chagrin, but Porter is the type of guy we need on our defense.

kbourda
01-16-2006, 10:31 PM
So..what is it? Is it something that he should be fined for? Or is it something that is in-line and justified? You contradict yourself in back to back sentences!!! LOLAY!!!

More contradiction...you call me a "bitter fan", then follow up that statement with your own bitterness.

You are a good poster...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If you can't understand English, there is no contradiction, you just don't understand English. And i'm not a good poster, i'm a great one! :)

edo783
01-16-2006, 10:34 PM
Too bad the refs cant be fined

Actually, I think they do get fined for the blown calls. Can't remember, think it was NFL Networks, but the head of Reffs said something about it.

Hardcore Texan
01-16-2006, 11:13 PM
I dont blame Porter for his reaction it seems like they were going againts the Colts and the Refs the refs tried hard to give that game to the Colts.:twocents:


I wasn't rooting for one team or the other, I just wanted to see a good game and that's the way I saw it as well. Pit showed a lot of heart, grit, and determination to win that game.

gtexan02
01-16-2006, 11:26 PM
This is a pointless argument. No game ever has been, or ever will be, perfectly called. As a player, you have to realize that referees are not rooting for one team or another. That has got to be one of the hardest jobs in the entire world. And its thankless. You're only noticed if you make a mistake. They are humans and make mistakes. Joey Porter is unintelligent and classless. You don't see Tom Brady complaining about that pass interference call, and that was one that might have changed the entire outcome

4th&inches
01-17-2006, 01:24 AM
I smell a MAJOR fine in the wind.
Thought the same thing when I heard what he said

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 08:17 AM
If you can't understand English, there is no contradiction, you just don't understand English. And i'm not a good poster, i'm a great one! :)
you might want to go back and re-read your post.

www.dictionary.com will help you find the definition for contradiction, and then you can come back when you actually KNOW what you are talking about.

Great poster? I guess if you think of yourself as a target for criticism, sure you are a great poster. You pop your knuckles and start typing drivel, and then come back with the lamest reply of "you can't understand English". I'm not sure how an understanding of English plays into this, but I'm sure once you figure out what certain words mean, you will just shut up, and chalk this one up to a learning experience.

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 08:21 AM
I wasn't rooting for one team or the other, I just wanted to see a good game and that's the way I saw it as well. Pit showed a lot of heart, grit, and determination to win that game.
I agree it was a good game...on 3 phases. Steelers Offense and Defense played well. Colts Defense played well once the rust was knocked off.

Colts Offense? I think they left that at the practice facility during the week, because I didn't see it out there. Sure, they took advantage of some questionable calls to put some points on the board...but I'm not going to try and find a silver lining in that game from the Colts "O". They had more than "protection problems" on Sunday. They had "choke problems", and an inability to adjust.

They played as if they were going to win, no matter how hard they tried. They played as if they were the team of destiny, and didn't really HAVE to show up. They played as if the same Pittsburgh team they destroyed earlier in the season was going to show up and lay down. When none of that happened, they were the ones who laid down.

kbourda
01-17-2006, 08:31 AM
you might want to go back and re-read your post.

www.dictionary.com will help you find the definition for contradiction, and then you can come back when you actually KNOW what you are talking about.

Great poster? I guess if you think of yourself as a target for criticism, sure you are a great poster. You pop your knuckles and start typing drivel, and then come back with the lamest reply of "you can't understand English". I'm not sure how an understanding of English plays into this, but I'm sure once you figure out what certain words mean, you will just shut up, and chalk this one up to a learning experience.

My parents taught me a long time ago not to argue with fools.

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 09:24 AM
My parents taught me a long time ago not to argue with fools.
OK...then let's break it down really quickly...please explain how this:If you have beef with what was said about the refs (which by the way should be fined heavily) that's cool.
...and this:But don't act like what he said was out of line or unjustified. don't contradict one another. These are your words, and I'm asking you to explain them. You state that he should be fined, but that he was justified and "in-line". How does one make a statement "in-line" and justified, yet still get fined for saying it? Can you answer that question?

while we are at it...can you also explain how this:
And yes, you are a bitter Colts fan! ...and this
how does it feel to win 14 games and be on the sidelines watching with the Texans? *lmao*are also not contradictory? Your own bitterness at the apparent slide of your team, makes you LYAO at another team that loses? That's a bit hypocritical, isn't it?

Again...not to beat a dead horse, but these are YOUR words...I am merely pointing out some inconsistencies in what you are saying, and asking you to explain.

If you don't...well I guess then that says something about you...which I have already touched on briefly. If you do...then we can continue our conversation.

Chawky1
01-17-2006, 09:51 AM
is that I think it undermines the credibility of the league. Whether or not it is true, it REALLLLLLLY looked like there were some shady calls against the Steelers. The interception/fumble overturned call had me thinking of the Vinny Testeverde phantom football/head TD where Luckett called a TD for the helmet crossing the goal line as opposed to the football. Peyton is the NFL posterboy and the Steelers almost got a really raw deal. The good thing now is that with the Colts out, everything should be fair for the remaining teams in it, since none of them are really the teams that the east coast media get all excited about. The more football I watch, the more I think it is shady.....:twocents:

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 10:02 AM
is that I think it undermines the credibility of the league. Whether or not it is true, it REALLLLLLLY looked like there were some shady calls against the Steelers. The interception/fumble overturned call had me thinking of the Vinny Testeverde phantom football/head TD where Luckett called a TD for the helmet crossing the goal line as opposed to the football. Peyton is the NFL posterboy and the Steelers almost got a really raw deal. The good thing now is that with the Colts out, everything should be fair for the remaining teams in it, since none of them are really the teams that the east coast media get all excited about. The more football I watch, the more I think it is shady.....:twocents:
welcome to professional sports. It's all shady.

The difference between the bad calls that went the way of Pitt is that they didn't really affect the outcome of the game...The bad calls going the other way came at VERY bad times for the Steelers. I'm not going to sit here and try and convince someone otherwise. The bad calls against Pitt came at times when the Colts were able to capitalize...and it appeared that the Colts were being handed the game.

But the officiating was bad all the way around. Sure, refs miss calls, and it IS a thankless job. I have done it, and I have missed calls...but when you look at an NFL playoff officiating crew, they are supposed to be the best of the best. That officiating was Pre-season NFL at best.

*edit* and in no way, shape, or form am I blaming the Colts loss on the officiating. I blame it on the Colts offense. Had the officials been on the ball, that final score probably would have been more along the lines of 21-3 or 21-10. Not 21-18. /*edit*

Chawky1
01-17-2006, 10:09 AM
welcome to professional sports. It's all shady.

The difference between the bad calls that went the way of Pitt is that they didn't really affect the outcome of the game...The bad calls going the other way came at VERY bad times for the Steelers. I'm not going to sit here and try and convince someone otherwise. The bad calls against Pitt came at times when the Colts were able to capitalize...and it appeared that the Colts were being handed the game.

But the officiating was bad all the way around. Sure, refs miss calls, and it IS a thankless job. I have done it, and I have missed calls...but when you look at an NFL playoff officiating crew, they are supposed to be the best of the best. That officiating was Pre-season NFL at best.

*edit* and in no way, shape, or form am I blaming the Colts loss on the officiating. I blame it on the Colts offense. Had the officials been on the ball, that final score probably would have been more along the lines of 21-3 or 21-10. Not 21-18. /*edit*
This actually seems like a rational, reasonable response and I agree with you.

Spoda
01-17-2006, 10:22 AM
all i know is that vince would have picked it cleanly hurdled everyone to da house....








trade the pick please

txlonghorn14
01-17-2006, 10:35 AM
joey porter is a jackass and the steelers will get smoked by the broncos. i'm callin it now.

Dennis007
01-17-2006, 10:43 AM
Thats all I can say about this fool. First with the comments about how Peyton and Colts are cheaters, and now this:

"When they did that, they really want Peyton Manning and these guys to win the Super Bowl. They are just going to straight take it for them. I felt that they were like 'We don't even care if you know we're cheating. We're cheating for them."

Even if you believe it (it was sort of questionable), let it go. You won the game! Quit whining about EVERYTHING. Sheesh

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294214


I was pulling for Indy and it was clear the call was wrong. They were giving Indy a second wind for sure. Even the commentors were in awe..

This call was pretty blatant so you can't fault Porter for his comments it was true. Even though he may have to $$$ for his comments, it had alot of merit.

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 11:06 AM
This actually seems like a rational, reasonable response and I agree with you.
seems like? LOL. I do try. Some people like to question that, though, and treat me like I'm some kind of troll around here.

i dont have 13 reputation points for nothing, you know...LOL :D

Double Barrel
01-17-2006, 12:05 PM
who said anything about raising your kid? If you think that this is one of the fundamental problems in our society, you need to read the newspaper a little more often. There are some REALLY bad things going down around the world, bro. Personally...I think that people who fail to take responsibility for their actions is one of the biggest fundamental problems in our society. But that's not my fault...LOL.

When he takes the mic...he represents his company, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the parent company, the NFL, and the city of Pittsburgh. Similar to an executive who would represent a company in front of the media, he needs to learn how to speak without making himself look like an !d!0t, his company look bad for hiring an !d!0t, and the city for having to deal with such an !d!0t.

The fines from the NFL will support what I say here. You are taking things WAAAAY out of context.

Are you denying the fact that this football player is nothing more than an ENTERTAINER?

I'm not going to play your strawman game when you refuse to acknowledge certain realities.

Your perception is that football players represent an entire city. But that's just whack, and indicative of a sports fan that is out of touch.

He could be considered to represent his team, but that's subjective. Last time I checked, each team (and the NFL) had representatives that spoke with regards to their official positions. Joey Porter is not the OFFICIAL spokesman for the Steelers, the NFL, or the city of Pittsburgh. Perhaps in your eyes, but obviously you choose your own reality.

You, my friend, are putting players on pedestals and creating a context where their words are bigger than life. My own perspective is that he is just another player that is expressing his opinion. If he gets fined, whatever. The NFL fines players for wearing the wrong socks. It proves NOTHING.

I mentioned raising my kid because people like you value what entertainers say to the point that you fail to realize the inherent flaw in your perception. It's people like you (not saying you specifically) that expect entertainers to be role models for our children, and expect everyone else to fill the roles for their kids that parents should fill.

Listen to your own words:

There are some REALLY bad things going down around the world, bro

You're right. So why are you so emotionally tied to this very minor story? How many replies in one thread? It's obvious you have some inherent point to prove. A chip on your shoulder about the whole thing.

It's takes like yours that seem to put more value on what a mere entertainer has to say. I'm just saying keep it real and put things in perspective. Quit making a freakin' federal case over very minor infractions of expressing opinions. You're making a mountain out of a molehill, so please take a deep breath every once in awhile. It's nothing to be so emotional about, man. :)

jlwevans
01-17-2006, 12:31 PM
This is a pointless argument. No game ever has been, or ever will be, perfectly called. As a player, you have to realize that referees are not rooting for one team or another. That has got to be one of the hardest jobs in the entire world. And its thankless. You're only noticed if you make a mistake. They are humans and make mistakes. Joey Porter is unintelligent and classless. You don't see Tom Brady complaining about that pass interference call, and that was one that might have changed the entire outcome


It is hard to call a perfect game and there will be almost no games ever that are called perfectly BUT it is a different thing when at full speed the call is called correctly and when a ref is given a replay and and slow motion and plenty of time to look at and review a call AND THEN overturns the call incorrectly on a call that Stevie Wonder even agrees was an interception. This is a situation where you have to question the refs experience and knowledge of the rules...If the ref does not know the rules then this game is screwed!!!

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 02:09 PM
Are you denying the fact that this football player is nothing more than an ENTERTAINER?No. I am not denying that fact. Your perception is that football players represent an entire city.

He could be considered to represent his team, but that's subjective. Last time I checked, each team (and the NFL) had representatives that spoke with regards to their official positions. Joey Porter is not the OFFICIAL spokesman for the Steelers, the NFL, or the city of Pittsburgh. Perhaps in your eyes, but obviously you choose your own reality.Let me ask you this...if your company is in the news, and you are walking from your desk to your car, and a reporter walks up to you and puts a mic in your face...DO YOU NOT BECOME A SPOKESMAN FOR YOUR COMPANY AT THAT POINT? Just because Joey Porter isn't the OFFICIAL spokesman for the team means nothing. If that reporter asks you a question, and you say something that embarrasses your company, do you think you will not get fired because you aren't the official spokesperson?

Joey Porter DOES represent the city of Pittsburgh, whether you agree with it or not. If you were introduced to someone today, here in Houston, and he were to tell you he was from Pittsburgh, would your first thought not be to ask him about the Steelers? Perhaps even what he thought about Joey Porter's comments? You, my friend, are putting players on pedestals and creating a context where their words are bigger than life. My own perspective is that he is just another player that is expressing his opinion. If he gets fined, whatever. The NFL fines players for wearing the wrong socks. It proves NOTHING.I am doing no such thing...If I am working as a representative of my company (since he was talking about the game, then this is a true scenario), then I am held to a higher standard than if I were cutting my grass. I am expected to behave in a certain manner while I am wearing my company logo. Joey Porter should follow the same protocol.

I mentioned raising my kid because people like you value what entertainers say to the point that you fail to realize the inherent flaw in your perception. It's people like you (not saying you specifically) that expect entertainers to be role models for our children, and expect everyone else to fill the roles for their kids that parents should fill.

You're right. So why are you so emotionally tied to this very minor story? How many replies in one thread? It's obvious you have some inherent point to prove. A chip on your shoulder about the whole thing.

It's takes like yours that seem to put more value on what a mere entertainer has to say. I'm just saying keep it real and put things in perspective. Quit making a freakin' federal case over very minor infractions of expressing opinions. You're making a mountain out of a molehill, so please take a deep breath every once in awhile. It's nothing to be so emotional about, man. :)People LIKE me? So now you know all about me, right? You are an internet shrink now, right? You are all knowing about me, because you are incapable of seeing any other opinion but your own. I don't expect entertainers to be role models for my kids, but I'm not STUPID enough to think that my kids aren't going to emulate people they see on TV.

Quite frankly, I don't appreciate the personal attack. You don't know any more about my parental skills than you do about what size shoes I wear, but yet here you are judging me, and then jumping on me for judging someone else.

...and I'm sorry if the "the guy makes millions" comment seems to be so far off base...but if the waterboy said the same thing...he would be ignored. Period.

I'm done with this...because we are going to go nowhere with this argument, and the back and forth garbage is just cluttering up this board, and I'm just not about that mess. It's pointless to argue, because we are taking 2 different points, and arguing them as if they are the same thing.

:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Double Barrel
01-17-2006, 03:37 PM
txhoosier:

whoah, man, please take a deep breath and calm down. Again you're getting a bit too emotional and speaking out of your assumption. But that's you're prerogative, and I've got no problem with agreeing to disagree at the end of the day.

However, please allow me to respectfully respond to your points (I am in no way flaming you or trying to argue. It is an enlightenment process for both of us):

No. I am not denying that fact. Let me ask you this...if your company is in the news, and you are walking from your desk to your car, and a reporter walks up to you and puts a mic in your face...DO YOU NOT BECOME A SPOKESMAN FOR YOUR COMPANY AT THAT POINT? Just because Joey Porter isn't the OFFICIAL spokesman for the team means nothing. If that reporter asks you a question, and you say something that embarrasses your company, do you think you will not get fired because you aren't the official spokesperson?

You said earlier, "Similar to an executive who would represent a company in front of the media".

But this is completely crazy. This is not an executive for the Steelers and/or the NFL and/or the city of Pittsburgh. He is an employee of the company, not an executive. This is like saying that the guy behind the counter at your local gas station speaks for the company of Exxon. You have a knack for hyperbole, but it's only reality in your own mind.

Joey Porter DOES represent the city of Pittsburgh, whether you agree with it or not. If you were introduced to someone today, here in Houston, and he were to tell you he was from Pittsburgh, would your first thought not be to ask him about the Steelers? Perhaps even what he thought about Joey Porter's comments? I am doing no such thing...If I am working as a representative of my company (since he was talking about the game, then this is a true scenario), then I am held to a higher standard than if I were cutting my grass. I am expected to behave in a certain manner while I am wearing my company logo. Joey Porter should follow the same protocol.

Porter represents the city of Pittsburgh in your chosen perspective. But to the rest of us, he represents an entire city no more than David Carr represents all of us in Houston. You assign the worth of his representation.

Porter is a player, and a human like the rest of us. He did not, and does not, speak on behalf of the team, the NFL, or the city of Pittsburgh. If he did, wouldn't all these entities be rushing to defend his statements?

BTW, I don't necessarily agree with what he said, especially regarding conspiracies. However, I'm not the one making a mountain out of a molehill, and you appear to have a personal vendetta about it. *cough*sourgrapes?*cough* :hmmm: (j/k, btw)

People LIKE me? So now you know all about me, right? You are an internet shrink now, right? You are all knowing about me, because you are incapable of seeing any other opinion but your own. I don't expect entertainers to be role models for my kids, but I'm not STUPID enough to think that my kids aren't going to emulate people they see on TV.


Actually, I claim to know nothing about you (actually, I did not claim anything. Yet another assumption on your part). I can deduct that you're a Colts fan, and an emotional person that likes to blow things out of proportion, and you seem to want to make athletes more important in life than they really are in reality.

But other than those things that I've read in this post, you're just another anonymous perp on an internet forum. No offense.

However, you have decided to make Porter a spokesman for an entire city, not me. Deductive reasoning indicates that you place a higher value on entertainers in our society than I do. That's all I was trying to say. I sincerely regret that my attempt at a point was lost in your rush to judgement.

Quite frankly, I don't appreciate the personal attack. You don't know any more about my parental skills than you do about what size shoes I wear, but yet here you are judging me, and then jumping on me for judging someone else.

My apologies that you've decided to take anything I've said as a personal attack. My thoughts were never meant to incite anger, or even a defensive posture by you. And I never said anything about your parenting skills. Assumption no. 42 on your part.

Honestly, you would know if I was personally attacking you. And this is not one of those times. Matter-of-fact, I don't play those internet games which seem to come so naturally to other folks. I'm just here to have a good time and make some friends that share my passion for the entertainment medium of football.

I was only commenting on the perspective you seem to represent by your own words, which is one where entertainers are given more importance than they deserve. I meant no disrespect, and I truly regret any miscommunication or misperception that I was attacking you in any way.

...and I'm sorry if the "the guy makes millions" comment seems to be so far off base...but if the waterboy said the same thing...he would be ignored. Period.

Well that is your opinion, and I defend your right to have it.

But we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree.

I'm done with this...because we are going to go nowhere with this argument, and the back and forth garbage is just cluttering up this board, and I'm just not about that mess. It's pointless to argue, because we are taking 2 different points, and arguing them as if they are the same thing.


Debate, argue, it's all a matter of perspective. I was merely commenting on the situation, and you quoted me first. This indicated that you were cool with discussing the matter with a little more depth, but perhaps I was wrong. Sorry about that, won't happen again.

:brickwall

You might want to check into some anger management courses. Nothing said in an internet forum should ever make you angry. And nothing I've said was ever meant to create any kind of emotional response, either.

Take care, it's been nice chatting with you. :howdy:

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 04:25 PM
Just a quick post to let you know I have read your response, and I appreciate your attempt to enlighten me.

I don't need anger management, and nothing you said nor anything Porter said made me angry...your comment about people "like" me, who let entertainers raise their kids did make me angry, and you can spin it how you like...but it's an attack on my character of which you know nothing about.

I understand how it appears that i am merely drinking *cough* sourgrapes *cough*, but Porter has been a loudmouth for some time, and it's not just this season, or others that have shown me he has a big mouth. When the Pats beat them last year, he ran his mouth, and I didn't like it then. If he were on my team, I would want him to shut up.

I'm not TRYING to make a mountain out of a molehill, but in my attempts to defend what I am trying to say, it appears that I am defending myself, and therefore appears that I am blowing things out of proportion...that was not my intent.

We can agree to disagree, and I can respect that. You and I obviously see things from different perspectives, and I can respect that as well. Hearing other's perspectives on things is how we all grow and learn. How boring would this world be if we all saw things the same?

Double Barrel
01-17-2006, 05:03 PM
That's cool, txhoosier. :thumbup Honestly, I meant absolutely no disrespect and was not trying to call out your parenting skills (nor did I desire to attack your character, so please understand my intentions). As can be the case, words exchanged on the internet can often be misconstrued, which would not be the case if we were talking over a cup of coffee. Perhaps my attempt to "enlighten" (heh-heh) was unsuccessful, but I feel I understand your pov nonetheless now.

However, I just want to clarify where I was coming from, which originated in your statement - "getting paid millions of dollars, are held to a MUCH higher standard of behavior" - because I personally don't think entertainers have earned anything from us to hold them to any higher standard.

A lot of folks do expect these entertainers to be role models for our children, and they will elevate them to an almost messiah status. I apologize for appearing to paint you with the same broad brush, as it was not my original intention. But all's well that ends well.

ps. I grew up around where Gilleys used to be! Good ol' Pasa-getdown-dena! :howdy:

thunderkyss
01-17-2006, 05:54 PM
This thread has lots of varying opinions, and I'm going to put mine in.

I agree with Joey Porter, and I believe he had a right to say what he said. As a matter of fact, I'm glad he said it.

Nobody expects the referees to call a perfect game, any more than a player is expected to play a perfect game, but for the most part, referees appear to go unscathed when they make bad calls. And this one in particular, wasn't even close. It was simply a bad call. The wrong call. Until referees are fined and reprimanded publicly like the players, owners, and coaches are, then I believe players and fans need to be more vocal about the product the NFL is putting out there.
I understand that the NFL reprimands their referees, but I believe they need to be public about it,and their punishments have to be outlandish, like the $20,000 Portis was fined for his sock(or whatever it was).

At the same time, I was impressed by Paulamaloo(sp) response to the call. He just jumped off the bench, put his helmet on, and went to work...... class. But not everybody has to be all that classsy. It's a dirty job, but some body has to do the dirty work.

ATX_Texan
01-17-2006, 08:15 PM
Joey should be able to say what he wants about the refs. The call on that interception was so far off it was not even funny. It changed the momentum of the game in the Colts favor when the game should have been over. That call could have cost the Steelers a chance at the Super Bowl, which don't come around very often.

txhoosier
01-17-2006, 10:09 PM
That's cool, txhoosier. :thumbup Honestly, I meant absolutely no disrespect and was not trying to call out your parenting skills (nor did I desire to attack your character, so please understand my intentions). As can be the case, words exchanged on the internet can often be misconstrued, which would not be the case if we were talking over a cup of coffee. Perhaps my attempt to "enlighten" (heh-heh) was unsuccessful, but I feel I understand your pov nonetheless now.

However, I just want to clarify where I was coming from, which originated in your statement - "getting paid millions of dollars, are held to a MUCH higher standard of behavior" - because I personally don't think entertainers have earned anything from us to hold them to any higher standard.

A lot of folks do expect these entertainers to be role models for our children, and they will elevate them to an almost messiah status. I apologize for appearing to paint you with the same broad brush, as it was not my original intention. But all's well that ends well.

ps. I grew up around where Gilleys used to be! Good ol' Pasa-getdown-dena! :howdy:
yeah...the statement doesn't come out like I'm feeling it in my head...

Maybe if I said something to the effect of "If you are in the public eye, you should try to be an eyeful, and not in a bad way".

I understand where you are coming from about parents EXPECTING entertainers to be role models, but as I stated, I also understand that no matter what I say or do, my kids are going to emulate some things that they see on TV. Look at Tony Dungy's son. His life was one big mystery. Tony and his family are used as an example of what a family SHOULD be. They hold workshops at thier church on parenting, and how to be involved...then you look at James Dungy's blog. The entire page layout was a tribute to Randy Moss, and he was glamorizing weed, guns, and other such things.

I appreciate that we both understand that words typed on a screen can somehow be misconstrued...but as you said...alls well that ends well.

Also, thunderkyss hits the nail on the head about Polamalu...I was a fan before, but an even bigger fan now. His actions when the call was reversed (I agree that was a BS call, BTW...) spoke VOLUMES about him as a man. I wouldn't mind my kids emulating his actions.