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gtexan02
01-15-2006, 10:32 PM
If anyone else saw the Carolina game today, you saw that Steve Smith is unstoppable. The #1 defense gave up 220 something yards and 2 TDs to Smith. Steve Smith is only 5-9 185 and Reggie Bush is 6-0 200. They both are extremely fast and have sick jukes. They both are very strong and have good leaping ability.

Big B Texan Fan
01-15-2006, 10:37 PM
If anyone else saw the Carolina game today, you saw that Steve Smith is unstoppable. The #1 defense gave up 220 something yards and 2 TDs to Smith. Steve Smith is only 5-9 185 and Reggie Bush is 6-0 200. They both are extremely fast and have sick jukes. They both are very strong and have good leaping ability.

Steve Smith was a 3rd round pick. Sure I'd take Bush then

texman8
01-15-2006, 10:43 PM
Interesting comparison.....What happen to da Bears defense today?....Carolina's only weapon ( after Foster got hurt) and they couldn't account for him! Put Bush in slot with AJ and JM....speed galore! 10 to 12 plays in backfield. Wow! at least it will be exciting.

Tale Gator
01-15-2006, 10:45 PM
There are few players in the NFL as unstoppable as Steve Smith.

michaelm
01-15-2006, 11:29 PM
There are few players in the NFL as unstoppable as Steve Smith.


There may be one more next season...

Wolf
01-15-2006, 11:31 PM
It helps when 2 defensive backs fall down and Smith can catch the ball (with no safety help) .. I am not taking anything away from Smith because we know how hard it is for some receivers to hang onto the ball

Hookem Horns
01-15-2006, 11:32 PM
No, but he can be our Eric Metcalf. A small guy to use in unique situations out of the backfield. Worth a #1 pick? Heck no.

If the Texans are going to stick us with Carr than we just need to trade down period.

LoneStarState
01-15-2006, 11:49 PM
Not much love for former Longhorn Metcalf, hunh?!

Seriously, Reggie Bush is MUCH better than Metcalf. He is much more versatile. He can score from anywhere on the field. He could be WR, RB, KR. Bush on the same field as AJ and DD could be hard to defend. And if Carr can come close to what Plummer has done this year - they will be much improved. Not being a Bush Homer - but I think he's worth the first pick. Most all of us did at one time or another. :twocents:

Grid
01-16-2006, 12:10 AM
Steve Smith was a 3rd round pick. Sure I'd take Bush then


Brady was a 5th or 6th rounder.. id take Young then.

I dont think this is a fair arguement. I mean.. Brady was taken on the second day... but are you telling me that, knowing what you know about him now, if he was a draft prospect you wouldnt take him in the first round?

Steve Smith was a pleasant surprise.. so was Brady.. so was DD.. but you cant say "well they were had in later rounds so I will put the most emphasis on middle round picks".. Talent is talent.. take it where you can get it. A prospect like Bush or Young has a lot better chance of becoming an elite player in the NFL than the 100s of possible 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounders.

bdiddy
01-16-2006, 12:16 AM
Yes!

To all those people claiming that Kubiak will not take a running back because Denver never takes running backs in the 1st round, see the following story from the Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

Houston: It is difficult to believe reports the Texans are married to the decision to draft Southern California running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick over Texas quarterback Vince Young, a state hero and a Houston native.

But it makes sense. It also makes sense that Bush will be the pick with the pending hiring of Broncos' offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. All indications point to the Texans hiring Kubiak once Denver's season ends.

Kubiak knows the benefits of having a strong running game. Denver has been a running stalwart in Kubiak's time with the team and Bush is too tempting. Plus, the Texans think a solid quarterback coach such as Kubiak could salvage former overall No. 1 pick David Carr. Taking Young and bypassing on the explosiveness of Bush would not make sense. Kubiak has helped Jake Plummer flourish and he could do the same with Carr, who is only 26.

It is too early for the Texans to make their final decision, but all signals point to Bush over Young.

Hookem Horns
01-16-2006, 12:24 AM
Not much love for former Longhorn Metcalf, hunh?!


No, not all Longhorn fans look at the NFL through "burnt orange glasses". Metcalf was a great player in college, a real good player in the NFL, but not the type of guy you take with the #1 pick, and certainly not a guy that is going to lead you to a championship. Yes, he (Metcalf) could score from anywhere on the field and could be a WR, RB, and a KR, but that type of guy isn't going to be a franchise maker.

DRAMA
01-16-2006, 12:27 AM
No, but he can be our Eric Metcalf. A small guy to use in unique situations out of the backfield. Worth a #1 pick? Heck no.

Blah...Blah......

:ok:

Hookem Horns
01-16-2006, 01:00 AM
Blah...Blah......

:ok:

Shouldn't you be watching ESPN right now? I am sure they'll have some more Bush propaganda on soon.

Grid
01-16-2006, 01:04 AM
Oh dont even try to act like Vince Young is some kind of underdog :).. he is just as much of a hype machine as Bush.

texplayer2
01-16-2006, 01:27 AM
Oh dont even try to act like Vince Young is some kind of underdog :).. he is just as much of a hype machine as Bush.

Hype is what College Football is all about. That is why they went to the BcS championship game and eventually to the plus one and then a play-off. Before the BcS how did you get to be number 1? THE MEDIA AP, in years past USC would have gone to the ROSE and PLAYED Ohio St. Texas would have played somebody else probably in the Cotton Bowl. If SC won and Texas won SC would have retained #1. And the players of both of these teams would have been scrutinized as INDIVIDUALS. But now the mighty system is trying to cut down on the what ifs and crown a CHAMPION. So now whoever is on that team has the edge in the Draft squabble among fan masses. In stead of looking at these guys as individuals they are credited with Carrying their whole team to Victory. In the old system Young goes back to school and finishes his senior year and becomes the #1 pick next year. Now you get all these guys coming out because of the Emotion of the big game being able to get them the Money instead of honeing their skills. I think the old system was better for college fans, because you could always say My team could have taken Your team because of this guy or that guy. The New system and ones to follow will give the (Professional) student athlete more incentive to go to certain schools, but will also give their NFL scouts a more accurate picture of their talents.

jmerog
01-16-2006, 01:28 AM
Interesting comparison.....What happen to da Bears defense today?....Carolina's only weapon ( after Foster got hurt) and they couldn't account for him! Put Bush in slot with AJ and JM....speed galore! 10 to 12 plays in backfield. Wow! at least it will be exciting.

that would be devistating,especially throwing DD in the mix backfield and adding Armstrong as an extra reciever. Noone would know who to cover.:drool:

DRAMA
01-16-2006, 01:44 AM
Shouldn't you be watching ESPN right now? I am sure they'll have some more Bush propaganda on soon.


The only Bush propaganda I listen to is on Fox News!! :)

Texans Horror
01-16-2006, 09:36 AM
I hope that Reggie can do for us what Cadillac did for Tampa Bay, which is take pressure off the passing game. With a huge threat for a Running Back, Dave will be able to get the ball to Dre just like Simms to Galloway.

big homey
01-16-2006, 09:43 AM
Bush does have the build of a WR and could be used in a lot of different ways in the passing game. Plus Gaffney and Bradford are UFA's, so he could be a replacement/upgrade. Not the worst scenario for a creative offensive mind.

Kaiser Toro
01-16-2006, 09:55 AM
To stay on topic and to go outside of my trade down stance, a Kubiak/Mularkey offensive braintrust would have the imagination to make Bush a Steve Smith/Marshal Faulk type of player.

Frills
01-16-2006, 10:03 AM
Shouldn't you be watching ESPN right now? I am sure they'll have some more Bush propaganda on soon.

How much of a cut is Vince giving the Chronicle and Rich Lord on 610?

ArlingtonTexan
01-16-2006, 10:07 AM
To answer the question, if you are drafting Bush, YES. You are hoping the he has that type of impact on your team.

YoungTexanFan
01-16-2006, 10:13 AM
To answer the question, if you are drafting Bush, YES. You are hoping the he has that type of impact on your team.

He better if he is going to be our #1 overall pick. He also better play almost every offensive down, wether at RB, WR, LT, TE, QB...whatever you see him as. (sarcasam intended towards those who think he is the pope)

jerek
01-16-2006, 11:09 AM
Shouldn't you be watching ESPN right now? I am sure they'll have some more Bush propaganda on soon.

This reeks of hypocrisy. Bush's hype is 'propaganda,' what is Vince's?

Bush has comparable speed/manuevers, but I think you would be mistaken to place him with Steve Smith. Hopefully if we do draft Bush, Kubiak will also work to install the kind of offense that makes guys like Smith (and AJ and Bush, again if we get him) the superstars they are.

TheOgre
01-16-2006, 11:33 AM
Could Jerome Mathis be our Steve Smith?

LBC_Justin
01-16-2006, 11:34 AM
How much of a cut is Vince giving the Chronicle and Rich Lord on 610?Not sure but I think John McClain is getting about 2%.

But seriously, it would be their best financial interest that the Texans take Vince Young. They will sell a lot more news papers.

I hope we do get Vince Young. I think we can trade down and pick him up with the 5th pick or 6th pick in the draft. But if we can't get him there, then take Bush with the #1, who is the only player worth that pick.

HOOK'EM
01-18-2006, 05:10 AM
He will be better than Steve Smith!

TreWardTxn
01-18-2006, 03:41 PM
If anyone else saw the Carolina game today, you saw that Steve Smith is unstoppable. The #1 defense gave up 220 something yards and 2 TDs to Smith. Steve Smith is only 5-9 185 and Reggie Bush is 6-0 200. They both are extremely fast and have sick jukes. They both are very strong and have good leaping ability.

Smith runs sick routes against top DBs, not screens and deep bombs on LBs. If we want a receiver, then we should get a receiver. If Bush came on like that I would be pleasantly surprised...and this other guy makes a great point, Smith was a 3rd round pick, you can find guys like that in the draft later if you have people in the organization which understand talent...

A Texan
01-18-2006, 04:08 PM
I'd like to hype three guys named Davis, Morency and Wells. These are the guys we need at RB.

MorKnolle
01-18-2006, 04:16 PM
Not sure but I think John McClain is getting about 2%.

But seriously, it would be their best financial interest that the Texans take Vince Young. They will sell a lot more news papers.

I hope we do get Vince Young. I think we can trade down and pick him up with the 5th pick or 6th pick in the draft. But if we can't get him there, then take Bush with the #1, who is the only player worth that pick.

I don't think the Texans profit from the Chronicle selling more newspapers.

That aside, Bush is fairly comparable to Steve Smith in size and abilities with the exception that Bush is not a full-time WR, but I think Steve Smith is about the closest comparison to Bush's athleticism and size. I think that Bush could learn the WR position pretty well (he has a fair amount of reps as one) and be primarily a WR for us. I am hoping Mathis will develop into a better WR and become our true #2 WR and Gaffney stays on as our slot guy, but if we draft Bush that could change things a bit. I honestly think Bush would best help our offense by lining up as a WR about 60% of the time, having Andre, Bush, and Mathis would be a scary combination of speed, and leave Domanick Davis to get 15-18 carries a game where he is most effective and not wearing out his knees, bring in Morency for another 3-7 carries a game as a sub, put Bush back there for 5-8 carries a game, and use Wells in short yardage situations. I think this type of offense would best suit the talent that we'd have if we draft Reggie Bush, and it wouldn't overwork Bush or Davis at RB. The question then becomes do you want to use a #1 draft pick and $50-52 million on a guy that will be 60% WR/40% RB? I think that would help us more than drafting Vince, but I still think trading down would be the best for the team.

bigTEXan8
01-18-2006, 05:22 PM
I think that would help us more than drafting Vince, but I still think trading down would be the best for the team.

THANK YOU!!!!

Is Bush an extreme talent...yes. Does our team have more dier needs than him though...yes. I think the Texans have all the tools they need on offense, it just needs to be managed properly with a few pieces replaced.

tulexan
01-19-2006, 01:48 PM
Bush will be a hybrid of Steve Smith and Tiki Barber

Big B Texan Fan
01-19-2006, 02:25 PM
Bush will be a hybrid of Steve Smith and Tiki Barber
Good point

I say Dunn and Hall
He can be called the human joystick#2, taz, or :superman:

tulexan
01-19-2006, 02:39 PM
I said this in another thread, but Vinny Cerato (who was Bill Walsh's talent evaluator and is the VP of football operations for the Skins) sees Reggie Bush as a better Ricky Watters.

He will also be the ultimate Madden player.

Bill Simmons had a great column on this earlier in the season. He said that Michael Vick is going to be pretty mad because he will lose his title of ultimate Madden player next year to Reggie Bush who will be the first rookie to be a 99 overall.

Texans_Chick
01-19-2006, 02:40 PM
Could Jerome Mathis be our Steve Smith?

Mathis needs to stay healthy in training camp, get some reps and improve his hands. If he continues to work hard, you never know. There was no way to see what he could do last season because he was hurt so much and he was so valuable to the return team, that he didn't really get as many practice reps as he needed to in order to get a lot of WR playing time.

WR is a hard position for a rookie to get a feel for. Mistakes in that position lead to wasted downs and interceptions.

Hope he has a good off-season. :redtowel:

Battle Red Flash
01-19-2006, 03:05 PM
No, but he can be our Eric Metcalf. A small guy to use in unique situations out of the backfield. Worth a #1 pick? Heck no.

Metcalf? Not even close to Bush. Bush and AJ could be a version of Steve Smith. No one ever compared Metcalf to Sanders and Sayers like many pro scouts do.
Bush haters need to imagine what Bush's numbers would have been if Lendale White had not also been at USC. Huge, that's what.
Vince and Bush both are incredible talents, and it's a very tough choice for the Texans to make.
Just because you like Young better, let's not belittle Bush by comparing him to Metcalf.

TexansTrueFan
01-19-2006, 07:43 PM
Yes!

To all those people claiming that Kubiak will not take a running back because Denver never takes running backs in the 1st round, see the following story from the Denver Post:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3397734

Houston: It is difficult to believe reports the Texans are married to the decision to draft Southern California running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick over Texas quarterback Vince Young, a state hero and a Houston native.

But it makes sense. It also makes sense that Bush will be the pick with the pending hiring of Broncos' offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. All indications point to the Texans hiring Kubiak once Denver's season ends.

Kubiak knows the benefits of having a strong running game. Denver has been a running stalwart in Kubiak's time with the team and Bush is too tempting. Plus, the Texans think a solid quarterback coach such as Kubiak could salvage former overall No. 1 pick David Carr. Taking Young and bypassing on the explosiveness of Bush would not make sense. Kubiak has helped Jake Plummer flourish and he could do the same with Carr, who is only 26.

It is too early for the Texans to make their final decision, but all signals point to Bush over Young.

hmm sounding like nothing but speculation to me "like always" but hey it must be true >>>> WhY ???? ~cause they ^ said it~ :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Big78
01-19-2006, 09:30 PM
[QUOTE=Hookem Horns]No, but he can be our Eric Metcalf. A small guy to use in unique situations out of the backfield. Worth a #1 pick? Heck no.
i'd be more likely to compare romance taylor to him. And i dont think any one in America would put Taylor on the same level as Bush. Bush is worth the pick and the vince arguement can stop now that we picked up carr's option so. And i would Take Bush over D'Brickashaw any day.

Big78
01-19-2006, 10:18 PM
Good point

I say Dunn and Hall
He can be called the human joystick#2, taz, or :superman:
TAZ!!!I Love It. thats the perfect nik name for him. in his highlight clips hes always doing these crazy spins to get out of a tackle or reverse the field. from now on i will officialy refer to Reggie Bush as Taz.

ThankYou, .:whoohoo: :coolb: :headbang: