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Texans Pride
01-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Chris Mortensen just reported on "Sunday NFL Countdown" that USC sources are claiming that Bob McNair had a private meeting with Pete Carroll, and that in order for Carroll to give his blessing to Bush to leave early, McNair had to give Carroll his assurance that Bush would be selected with the number 1 overall pick and play for Houston. Mortensen called this move a "very delicate PR problem".

bigTEXan8
01-15-2006, 11:49 AM
Chris Mortensen just reported on Sunday NFL Countdown that USC sources are claiming that Bob McNair had a private meeting with USC head coach Pete Carroll, and that in order for Carroll to give his blessing to Bush to leave early, McNair had to give Carroll his assurance that Bush would be selected with the number 1 overall pick and play for Houston. Mortensen called this move a "very delicate PR problem"

If that's true...wow. Caroll must be some sort of father figure to Bush to need a blessing. So much for the o-line. But I am not going to complain about getting Bush. Rare talent where someone can do so much.

Wolf
01-15-2006, 11:51 AM
If true, I better get some Pepto.


Nothing against Bush, but he isn't going to help us hold a Seattle or Indy to under 40 points... that would mean we would draft RB and then OL (most likely in the 1st 2 rounds) when we could try to go OL and Defense (our RB's are OK maybe not gamebreakers but OK)

:twocents:

Tulip
01-15-2006, 11:55 AM
A private meeting where? Over the phone?

I can't imagine that with the current media coverage during the coaching interviews, that McNair and Carroll could have met secretly.

This definitely would explain Reggie's hesitation last week, though.

thunderkyss
01-15-2006, 11:57 AM
I can't see how a running back is going to be the answer to all our problems. Regardless who he is, or what special talent he may possess. And so, I find it hard to believe a team owner would put himself into such a position, to aqquire one. True enough, with out Bush, or Young, this draft is pretty dull..... it would have been easier for Houston to do the right thing, without such temptation.

Dr. Toro
01-15-2006, 12:07 PM
Mortensen seems shaky on this one. Do you think Pete Carroll has enough clout to make McNair make a guarantee like that? There's a lot that can happen between now and the draft. I doubt the owner of an NFL team is gonna take orders from a failed NFL coach and pin himself down before he's officially hired a coach.

Sure, Bush wants to go #1, and probably doesn't want to go to NO, but they seem set on a QB, anyway. And if it's about money, the obvious decision would be to leave if you are a top 5 pick. Next year's presumptive #1 is Brady Quinn, and Peterson is eligible too. Bush has no guarantee of being next year's #1. Coming out for Bush is a no-brainer. What's the incentive for McNair to make a decision in January? To please Pat Carroll? To get a kid who's been interviewing agents for a month to come out? I don't buy it. That doesn't mean we won't take Reggie Bush though.

Sco-tai
01-15-2006, 12:08 PM
I can't see how a running back is going to be the answer to all our problems...True enough, with out Bush, or Young, this draft is pretty dull...

1. NO SINGLE player is "the answer". But both Bush & Young are a great starting point. Even if you're of the same opinion as me (that DD is a top-10 RB in the NFL)...with Bush's versatility, you gotta like the pick. And I'd even like the VY pick. Like I said...both are great individual players and arguements can be made for picking either. I'm still undecided. Waiting for individual work-outs and coaching decisions.

2. This is anything BUT a dull draft in my opinion and MOST writers/reporters/draft analysts. Last year's was pretty boring except for the top few RB's & WR's. This year is FAR deeper. Especially on O-Line, where we all agree we need help.

Either way..I'm just glad we won..er...lost the BUSH-BOWL so we could at least have this discussion. We hold the cards and I'm much happier that it was this year's draft...and not last years.

GO TEXANS!

Tulip
01-15-2006, 12:11 PM
The more I chew on this, the less it makes sense to me. I still think the Texans will end up picking Reggie, but I just can't imagine that this happened.

Texans Pride
01-15-2006, 12:18 PM
I will be very disappointed if our owner is making secret deals behind the scenes. Kubiak, or whoever is going to be our coach, should have an opportunity to pick his new player.

This has rat written all over it.

OzzO
01-15-2006, 12:22 PM
Agree - calling BS on this one. McNair asking for Caroll's blessing? What is this - a Ditka-made marriage? If the athelete wants to declare, he's going to.

My thought was Reggie was thinking his only "competition" was going to be Leinhart in the draft so he'd make the masses wonder to the very end if he was going to declare. Then Young joined the picture after his performance, clogging the clarity of the draft and Bush was probably looking at where he would fall in next year's lineup (and thinking of Leinhart's issue of staying in one more time) and figured he'd better get while the getting's good.

... my opinion anyway.

Mr. White
01-15-2006, 12:23 PM
The speculation (mainly Richard Justice's blog and Skip Bayless' newest article) seems to point to Charley Casserly as Mort's source. It's possible, but this story does seem kinda farfetched.

Dr. Toro
01-15-2006, 12:30 PM
Justice does indicate that Mort is listening to the wrong guy. This one is just patently absurd. The theory behind the first Mort leak, that somebody wanted to save the Texans from this agonizing decision and keep Young in college kinda makes sense. I say kinda, because if you own the #1 pick, you want the most talent possible in that high-draft pool, you don't want to keep guys from coming out.

Tulip
01-15-2006, 12:40 PM
This "information" is coming from USC, not the Texans. I'm not sure anymore if the problem is with Mort's sources, or with Mort himself. This is a heavy charge to lay at McNair's feet, and if it were true and could be proven, this team would be in all kinds of trouble with the NFL.

I'm not sure what Mort is trying to accomplish with all of this.

Vinny
01-15-2006, 12:47 PM
At this time of year you should only believe that you should not believe anything you read when it comes to the draft "insider info". The posturing is rampant and mind games are the norm.

nunusguy
01-15-2006, 01:00 PM
This is quite an incredible story, or should I say alleged story with all kinds of
issues at varying levels if true. One would be this: is there a quid pro quo in the mix, in other words what does Carrol get from McNair for his (Carrol's )
blessing of Bush leaving early.
And how does Mortenson get hold of this info - he needs to be with the CIA
unearthing info that affects Nat Security if he can somehow come up with this deal.

Dr. Toro
01-15-2006, 01:07 PM
The story is up on ESPN.com. Evidently its USC sources.

Mario Williams
01-15-2006, 01:21 PM
Updated: Jan. 15, 2006, 12:48 PM ET
Bush turned pro after assurance of No. 1 pickESPN.com news services

Reggie Bush has long been assumed the top pick in the NFL draft, but after Vince Young's performance in the Rose Bowl, the Trojans wanted some assurance before the Heisman Trophy winner agreed to forgo his senior season.

USC sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that coach Pete Carroll gave his blessing for Bush to turn pro only after being assured by Texans owner Bob McNair that the running back would be the No. 1 pick in the draft.

Young, a Texas native, led his Longhorns to a victory over the favored Trojans in the national championship and ignited a public frenzy demanding Houston select the quarterback instead of Bush.

However, the Texans appear to be sticking with their initial plan of drafting the running back -- a preference of the top candidate to become their head coach.

A Broncos source told Mortensen that Gary Kubiak, Denver's offensive coordinator and the favorite for the Texans' head coaching post, believes current Houston quarterback David Carr can flourish with a new offense headlined by Bush and wide receiver Andre Johnson.

Kubiak, a Houston native, is widely considered the likely successor to Dom Capers, who was fired as Texans coach on Jan. 2, one day after finishing a 2-14 season with a loss at San Francisco.

However, under NFL tampering rules, the Texans cannot comment about or finalize any moves involving Kubiak until the Broncos' season is over. Denver advanced to the AFC Championship Game with a 27-13 win over the New England Patriots on Saturday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

Mr. White
01-15-2006, 01:31 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

Just read the ESPN article. If this is true, then it seems to show that being picked number 1 is a really big deal to Reggie Bush.

Just speculating, but this might be indicative of a "me first" attitude. I know it's too early to say, but it's something to keep an eye on.

Mario Williams
01-15-2006, 01:32 PM
It would be a big deal to anyone if it means millions of dollars.

Wolf
01-15-2006, 01:36 PM
Bush may be picked No. 1, but it doesn't necessarily mean we keep him.

I say that because of all the smoke screens that are going on right now.. Who knows maybe this happened and we are picking him No.1 (which RB is not our priority) or we may be saying that so a team that doesn't need a RB but wants to jump ahead of Tennessee and N.O. to get one of the Qb's will overpay for the #1 selection.. who knows

Maybe I just am starting to hate athe idea that when it is goalline situation or 3rd and short ..he will be sitting on the bench. And we all know the Texans have a problem picking up short yardage unless we QB sneak it.
:confused:

Mr. White
01-15-2006, 01:46 PM
Maybe I just am starting to hate athe idea that when it is goalline situation or 3rd and short ..he will be sitting on the bench. And we all know the Texans have a problem picking up short yardage unless we QB sneak it.
:confused:

I think Wells is going to benefit the most from the coaching change. He seems like he's more in the mold of the RB's that Kubiak is working with in Denver. That being said, I think he'll be the guy to watch out for on 3rd and short.

zeplin
01-15-2006, 01:52 PM
I can't see how a running back is going to be the answer to all our problems. Regardless who he is, or what special talent he may possess. And so, I find it hard to believe a team owner would put himself into such a position, to aqquire one. True enough, with out Bush, or Young, this draft is pretty dull..... it would have been easier for Houston to do the right thing, without such temptation.


I agree. As I recall is it not illegal to wheel and deal with a undeclared college athelete. Pleas a little help on this.

aj.
01-15-2006, 02:12 PM
I think Wells is going to benefit the most from the coaching change. He seems like he's more in the mold of the RB's that Kubiak is working with in Denver. That being said, I think he'll be the guy to watch out for on 3rd and short.

Wells will be an unrestricted free agent in about six weeks if the Texans don't wrap him up. He increased his value in '05 with solid play as backup RB and on special teams. If the Texans draft Bush, they will have two high-salary backs, so they probably won't have a lot in the budget for Wells because of what his role would be, plus the fact that he could find more reps elsewhere - and more than a minimum or slightly above minimum deal.

LCOOL
01-15-2006, 02:20 PM
Wells will be an unrestricted free agent in about six weeks if the Texans don't wrap him up. He increased his value in '05 with solid play as backup RB and on special teams. If the Texans draft Bush, they will have two high-salary backs, so they probably won't have a lot in the budget for Wells because of what his role would be, plus the fact that he could find more reps elsewhere - and more than a minimum or slightly above minimum deal.
How much do you want to bet that The texans fumble this year's draft?
You shouldn't listen to Mort, only listen to John Mclaine he is the Texan's insider lol

Mario Williams
01-15-2006, 02:23 PM
How much do you want to bet that The texans fumble this year's draft?
You shouldn't listen to Mort, only listen to John Mclaine he is the Texan's insider lol

So how is the Titans forum?

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 02:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

Just read the ESPN article. If this is true, then it seems to show that being picked number 1 is a really big deal to Reggie Bush.

Just speculating, but this might be indicative of a "me first" attitude. I know it's too early to say, but it's something to keep an eye on.

Being pick #1 is a big deal to anyone because it=$$$.

Sorry, I just don't think McNair is dumb and would take a risk of having discussions regarding someone who has not declared yet...the penalty is just too severe. Keep in find extensive background checks are going to be performed on all the options and these college coaches are part of that process. This will all happen in due time. Perhaps they were setting the appointment...;)

chall8
01-15-2006, 02:29 PM
I have a hard time believing this is true. What possible incentive does McNair or the Texans have for making a "deal" like that?

If it is true then I've lost a lot of respect for McNair and this organization, but from everything I've read about the man he is the type that's going to let his football people decide on who they want.

aj.
01-15-2006, 02:41 PM
How much do you want to bet that The texans fumble this year's draft?
You shouldn't listen to Mort, only listen to John Mclaine he is the Texan's insider lol

Just curious what that has to do with my post about Wells ...

Erratic Assassin
01-15-2006, 02:41 PM
I can't see how a running back is going to be the answer to all our problems.

Domanick practically ran for 1,000 yards in only 11 games. IF we get a couple of extra rushing yards from Reggie, it isn't going to matter a hill of beans. We will still have the world's worst offensive line. We will still have a piss-poor defense that can get no pressure on a QB.

We find an excuse every year for not adequately addressing our needs. Bush is merely our LATEST excuse for not fixing our problems. I would say we'll have to wait until the draft after next, but I have no doubt that we'll find ANOTHER excuse for not doing the right thing.

We're following the Dallas Cowboy formula. David Carr is our Troy Aikman, Andre Johnson is our Michael Irvin, and Reggie Bush will be our Emmitt Smith. Nobody seems to appreciate the fact that the Cowboys had an offensive line and we don't. Skill position players take all the credit for the success of a team but our team is evidence that your team is going nowhere unless you have the talent to win the battle for the line of scrimmage.

Pip
01-15-2006, 03:06 PM
mcnair is smarter than to tamper with undeclared collegiate player.

however, the problem i have with the article is the bit about pete carroll's blessing--wtf does that mean? is that the same blessing bestowed upon mike williams when he left early? if any coach would give a blessing to a player leaving early, i think it would be mack brown, guys leave usc early all the time.

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 03:12 PM
Uh-Oh! Looks like McNair will be opening his wallet to more than just the #1 pick. Is this tampering with the undeclared?? I'm thinking this may turn out costly...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 03:23 PM
Uh-Oh! Looks like McNair will be opening his wallet to more than just the #1 pick. Is this tampering with the undeclared?? I'm thinking this may turn out costly...and ugly.

It does seem more and more like Bush will be the man to go #1...whether he gets dealt still remains a mystery.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2293458

thunderkyss
01-15-2006, 03:32 PM
It would be best for the Texans to not pick Reggie Bush, Just for deniabily purposes. If we trade down, and someone uses that pick to draft Reggie, then we're still in deep doodoo. But if we go ahead and use the pick to draft Young.. well, that's the only way out I see.

V Man
01-15-2006, 03:46 PM
It would be best for the Texans to not pick Reggie Bush, Just for deniabily purposes. If we trade down, and someone uses that pick to draft Reggie, then we're still in deep doodoo. But if we go ahead and use the pick to draft Young.. well, that's the only way out I see.

Only problem is there were rumors that Vince Young also received info from the Texans that he would be the 1st pick and that was one of the reasons he declared.

Mr. White
01-15-2006, 03:49 PM
Interesting one V Man, haven't heard that one yet. Where did you hear it?

profan
01-15-2006, 03:50 PM
I don't believe any of this stuff. Bush was going to come out, and is was widely known way before the texans finished the season. I really question the credability of ESPN.

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 03:55 PM
I don't believe any of this stuff. Bush was going to come out, and is was widely known way before the texans finished the season. I really question the credability of ESPN.

Its hard to read into this stuff, but if the legend continues to grow the league can investigate. I sure hope we did not do anything stupid here...

Runner
01-15-2006, 03:55 PM
I thought Leinart stayed in school last year because he had assurances that the Texans would tank this year and pick him #1.

Marcus
01-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Here is a link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458) that should work.

Mortenson's sources aren't any better than McClain's. Consider them and relax. Good grief! Some of you need to update your anti/gullible perscriptions.

Runner
01-15-2006, 04:00 PM
Good grief! Did some of you need to update your anti/gullible perscriptions.

Which rumor? Bush, Young, or Leinart?

thunderkyss
01-15-2006, 04:07 PM
1. NO SINGLE player is "the answer". But both Bush & Young are a great starting point. Even if you're of the same opinion as me (that DD is a top-10 RB in the NFL)...with Bush's versatility, you gotta like the pick. And I'd even like the VY pick. Like I said...both are great individual players and arguements can be made for picking either. I'm still undecided. Waiting for individual work-outs and coaching decisions.



If our offensive line played at an NFL level, Everything would have been different this year. OUr run game would have been improved, our passing game would have been improved. Our defense would have even been better, since we'd have gone more than 3 & out.....

By the same token, if we've got a mobile playmaking quarterback, everything would've been different. We'd have gotten those first downs, our recievers would have had plenty of time to get open. Our running game would've been improved, instead of rushing through the running back to get to the Quarterback, the QB would take highest priority. AND, no one... no one will be leaving the game with 6 minutes left in the fourth quarter if we're only down by two, because we'd still have a chance to win. All because a playmaking QB makes that kind of difference. I'm not saying who we should draft, I'm just saying I can see someone thinking drafting a certain QB would change our ability to win games.

Now, If you've got a running back, who doesn't touch the ball every play(like a QB does), who won't even get 20 touches a game, who is going to share the ball with our other backs, who rushed for 1800 yards last season, who also contributed to the passing game....... I just don't see how drafting a RB #1 overall is going to turn our club around.

texplayer2
01-15-2006, 05:07 PM
If our offensive line played at an NFL level, Everything would have been different this year. OUr run game would have been improved, our passing game would have been improved. Our defense would have even been better, since we'd have gone more than 3 & out.....

By the same token, if we've got a mobile playmaking quarterback, everything would've been different. We'd have gotten those first downs, our recievers would have had plenty of time to get open. Our running game would've been improved, instead of rushing through the running back to get to the Quarterback, the QB would take highest priority. AND, no one... no one will be leaving the game with 6 minutes left in the fourth quarter if we're only down by two, because we'd still have a chance to win. All because a playmaking QB makes that kind of difference. I'm not saying who we should draft, I'm just saying I can see someone thinking drafting a certain QB would change our ability to win games.

Now, If you've got a running back, who doesn't touch the ball every play(like a QB does), who won't even get 20 touches a game, who is going to share the ball with our other backs, who rushed for 1800 yards last season, who also contributed to the passing game....... I just don't see how drafting a RB #1 overall is going to turn our club around.

Did you just not want to type Vince Young and Reggie Bush?

WWJD
01-15-2006, 05:11 PM
Mortenson is also the same guy that is such great friends with Bill Parcells and was reporting he was sure to retire or go elsewhere to coach and guess what? He signed an extension with the Cowboys. Take it all with a grain of salt and remember the NFL has it's "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" type reporters too.

edo783
01-15-2006, 05:32 PM
Tis the season of misdirection and inuendo. Believe nothing.

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 06:03 PM
Funny, I don't recall this same attitude against Mort. when the guy was reporting the Texans will take Bush and execise Carrs option. A tampering report comes out and now its just rumor.

I hope it is all rumor and would be curious to know historically what penalties are put in place to prevent discussions with the undeclared. Regardless whether we talked directly to Bush or its done through Pete Caroll, its still a discussion with an undeclared. The longer this story is on the front page of ESPN.com, the more attention its going to get...

HoustonFrog
01-15-2006, 06:07 PM
Funny, I don't recall this same attitude against Mort. when the guy was reporting the Texans will take Bush and execise Carrs option. A tampering report comes out and now its just rumor.

I hope it is all rumor and would be curious to know historically what penalties are put in place to prevent discussions with the undedclared. Regardless whether we talked directly to Bush or its done through Pete Caroll, its still a discussion with an undeclared. The longer this story is on the front page of ESPN.com, the more attention its going to get...


This whole report makes me wonder about McNair and running the team if it is true. Between keeping Charlie and reports like this I'm starting to wonder who is running the asylum. This just takes away any chance of teams desparate for a VY or anyone else for that matter when you can't play a bluff. There is no wonder why things have gotten to this point.

sakebomb
01-15-2006, 06:12 PM
Just speculating, but this might be indicative of a "me first" attitude. I know it's too early to say, but it's something to keep an eye on.


Would you consider Vince to have the same attitude by yelling "who's the heisman now"?

Mr. White
01-15-2006, 06:29 PM
Would you consider Vince to have the same attitude by yelling "who's the heisman now"?

I wasn't real thrilled about VY's quote, but it was in the heat of battle. I compare that to Matt Leinart saying that USC still had the better team after they lost the game. I think if either one had it to do over again, they would choose their words more carefully.

Reggie Bush is a great talent that would help out any team that he went to. Never met the guy, so I really don't know if the guy has a "me first" attitude or not. Reading between the lines on my part.

Just seems like if the report is true, then we need to ask ourselves the question. If it's about money, I understand. But the dude won the Heisman. He'll get his money. If it's about the draft order, then he might possibly be the kind of guy who's gonna complain every time he wasn't the first option on the play.

That being said, I trust the guys in the front office to make whatever pick they need to.... as long as it's Dan Reeves and Gary Kubiak doing the picking.

texans281
01-15-2006, 06:31 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

Does this put an end to the debate? Could there be legal implications if the Texans were to reneg and take Young? If the Texans really wanted Young this would be yet another bonehead move by the management. Committing to one player before all the players committed seems really backwards when you own the #1 pick.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2006, 06:39 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

Does this put an end to the debate? Could there be legal implications if the Texans were to reneg and take Young? If the Texans really wanted Young this would be yet another bonehead move by the management. Committing to one player before all the players committed seems really backwards when you own the #1 pick.

As I stated above, this is a bonehead move by management to start with. IF TRUE you are basically taking away any good bluff you may have and are losing all the power with teams more willing to maybe talk to NO instead of us. I just don't get the thinking of this management on any level. so far this off season has seemed to haev no rhyme or reason to it. They just need to shut their mouths and wait.

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 06:41 PM
The bigger issue...Was Bush swayed by a discussion between Pete Carrol and Bob McNair? Teams can not comment or communicate with undeclared college players. This is communtication and would have gone above that rule. I would like to know what kind of penalties could be enforced if this somehow becomes true...

Wolf
01-15-2006, 07:08 PM
this was from Dec 10..and the article has Bush's stepfather saying he wants Bush to go pro due to the fact that Bush has done everything possible at the college level.

USC coach Pete Carroll thinks that the media is influencing star running back Reggie Bush's decision whether to turn pro, ESPN reported Sunday.

Carroll, whose top-ranked Trojans will play No. 2 Texas on Jan. 4 for an unprecedented third consecutive national championship, feels the media are pushing for Bush, a junior, to turn pro after the season.

Carroll has told NFL scouts that Bush would go pro if he's assured of being the No. 1 overall pick, ESPN reported.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10322929/from/RSS


so with ESPN reporting that the Texans are taking him..is nothing being they have the #1 pick..


Unfortuantly.. none of us will hear the truth to all of this.. IF the Texans draft him..it is because "he is the best player in college" if they trade down.. the thing will be "the offer was too good and we are more than a player away"

txlonghorn14
01-15-2006, 07:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458

i dunno if this was already posted, but i thought i'd put it up anyway. i don't like what i'm hearin.

Wolf
01-15-2006, 08:03 PM
If we put everything in a nutshell

Texans are expected to have Carr's deal done (which I believe means 3 more years).
If that is the case, it makes no sense to draft VY or Matt so by speculation Bush is the talent that is logical IF we aren't trading down.

Come on Feb 1st!!! (that is the day right that we know about Carr,right?)

ghostlight
01-15-2006, 08:04 PM
At this time of year you should only believe that you should not believe anything you read when it comes to the draft "insider info". The posturing is rampant and mind games are the norm.

Right on Vinny! The mind games are what intertain us till it is time for the draft. I love what we have to talk about this year; coaches,trades,draft and free agency. My poor feable mind is spinning.:stirpot:

Tulip
01-15-2006, 08:05 PM
Come on Feb 1st!!! (that is the day right that we know about Carr,right?)

I think it's March 1st.

Napa Auto Parts
01-15-2006, 08:22 PM
if its true i think its funny a college coach telling and owner what to do and i tought mcnair was the one cutting the checks not carrol:stirpot:

LCOOL
01-15-2006, 08:24 PM
So how is the Titans forum?
The forum is good, a lot oiler and Texan fans.

HOOK'EM
01-15-2006, 09:04 PM
Get Bush and keep him, he is by far tha best in the draft!:redtowel:

chuckm
01-15-2006, 09:06 PM
Just seems like if the report is true, then we need to ask ourselves the question. If it's about money, I understand. But the dude won the Heisman. He'll get his money. If it's about the draft order, then he might possibly be the kind of guy who's gonna complain every time he wasn't the first option on the play.


IMO, this is more about Bush not wanting to go to New Orleans than about money

Tulip
01-15-2006, 09:12 PM
IMO, this is more about Bush not wanting to go to New Orleans than about money

Agreed. I think any Bush hesitation about coming out was due to the Saints' draft position. And I don't really blame him for that at all. The scary thing, though, is - as a draftee, you never know who is going to be drafting in the top 3 spots next year.

Big B Texan Fan
01-15-2006, 09:25 PM
I think Mort is just scrambling for anything to make him NOT look stupid. He ans many others at ESPN have said all along that the Texans were drafting Bush when we said none of the such. I believe it came down to a post game interview with Cass by Bob Allen and Cass said when asked about the draft he said that we weren't taking Lienert. That's all he said, nothing else. He cannot comment on Bush but he can comment on Lienert cz he's a senior. Now somewhere caught up in the middle of this is us saying that we were gonna pick up an option on Carrs' contract. Well 1 + 1 = 3????. Now we've got Young in the mix. I won't drool over him as I usually do but this thow about 32 monkey wrenches in the whole thing. Mcnair has said (sorry no link) that picking up the option on was immenint (sp) but there was no hurry. Dan Reeves said Carr would make a good NFL QB. Not a good Texans QB but a good NFL QB. The writing is on the wall that we take Young and/or we're taking Young. Mort is just saving face cuz it's playoff time and he has about 1% left in him after covering the playoffs. Sources say this and sources say that. ESPN doesn't want the Texans to take Bush cuz like I said in a previous post that the whole state of CA turned off the TV after the Younghorns beat the Trojans they'll likely do the same after Bush is not #1.

And Mort, if you're reading this (or one of his "sources"), just leave us the hell alone until you've got time to focus on us. Or better yet, bring your Yankee *** down here and beat the pavement and knock on some doors and ask questions yourself. See you in April Dawg.

Here's to waiting until the kids at least workout.

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 09:38 PM
IDan Reeves said Carr would make a good NFL QB. Not a good Texans QB but a good NFL QB.

I actually heard that come out of his mouth too. Its all about raising stock...the same thing is about to be done for VY and Bush after their evaluations are complete...

Nighthawk
01-15-2006, 09:42 PM
McNair's not stupid enough to have given such assurances. He may have said we feel pretty sure we may be taking Bush, but that's as far as it would go.

Anybody really know what the NFL rules would be if McNair HAD given such assurance?

Big B Texan Fan
01-15-2006, 09:45 PM
McNair's not stupid enough to have given such assurances. He may have said we feel pretty sure we may be taking Bush, but that's as far as it would go.

Anybody really know what the NFL rules would be if McNair HAD given such assurance?
I'll look it up but I'm sure you lose draft pix as well as a hefty fine. Doubt it's a 1st that we'd get stripped from us but maybe others as well as moving down in the 1st.

Big B Texan Fan
01-15-2006, 09:46 PM
I actually heard that come out of his mouth too. Its all about raising stock...the same thing is about to be done for VY and Bush after their evaluations are complete...
Reeves' been around long enough to know how to word things. They are trying to get Carrs stock high and possibly send rumors out there that were taking bush to drive up the trading price.

chuckm
01-15-2006, 09:47 PM
McNair's not stupid enough to have given such assurances. He may have said we feel pretty sure we may be taking Bush, but that's as far as it would go.

Anybody really know what the NFL rules would be if McNair HAD given such assurance?


even if he did, both Mcnair and PC will most likely deny it ... it never happened ... that Mortensen is reaching again ... c'mon you know how the media is ... blah blah ...

Big B Texan Fan
01-15-2006, 09:53 PM
I'll look it up but I'm sure you lose draft pix as well as a hefty fine. Doubt it's a 1st that we'd get stripped from us but maybe others as well as moving down in the 1st.
Couldn't find it

michaelm
01-15-2006, 11:11 PM
Just read the ESPN article. If this is true, then it seems to show that being picked number 1 is a really big deal to Reggie Bush.

Just speculating, but this might be indicative of a "me first" attitude. I know it's too early to say, but it's something to keep an eye on.


Maybe it's indicative of a player that doesn't want to be drafted by New Orleans. That may seem a little like a 'me first attitude', but who can blame him?

Hookem Horns
01-15-2006, 11:35 PM
Would you consider Vince to have the same attitude by yelling "who's the heisman now"?

Young showed me a lot tonight by breaking away from the rest of the players and circling the field at DKR saluting all the fans during the NC celebration. The guy is a class act and a team leader. I got sick tonight watching all of his highlights on the jumbotron thinking that the Texans are going to be stupid enough to pass him up and he will be the with Traitors next season. http://www.savingadvice.com/forums/images/smilies/puke/vomit-smiley-011.gif

LoneStarState
01-15-2006, 11:42 PM
Maybe it's indicative of a player that doesn't want to be drafted by New Orleans. That may seem a little like a 'me first attitude', but who can blame him?
Could also be that he is interested in playing for Houston and Gary Kubiak.

BREAZE
01-15-2006, 11:52 PM
I'll look it up but I'm sure you lose draft pix as well as a hefty fine. Doubt it's a 1st that we'd get stripped from us but maybe others as well as moving down in the 1st.

Yea, its classified info I think because I could not find it anything. I would think if you were going to be penalized picks that would be more known. I've heard Casserly say he could not comment on certain players because they were not declared as he would get fined. I'm hoping that's as far as it would go.

Wow, could you imagine getting a #1 ripped from you because of stupid stuff like this? I guess it would put an end to the debate...:yahoo:

LoneStarState
01-16-2006, 12:01 AM
McNair's not going to do anything to jeopardize the reputation of the team. I'm sure if any discussions took place - they were legit. Of course, the conspiracy theorists :spy: are going to think otherwise.

HardKnockTexan
01-16-2006, 12:01 AM
I'm pretty sure these kind of rumors fly around every team that picks #1 when people arent sure who will be going in the top spot. Its just stuff to fill dead air time since there are only 3 more football games left this season.

texplayer2
01-16-2006, 01:10 AM
I think Mort is just scrambling for anything to make him NOT look stupid. He ans many others at ESPN have said all along that the Texans were drafting Bush when we said none of the such. I believe it came down to a post game interview with Cass by Bob Allen and Cass said when asked about the draft he said that we weren't taking Lienert. That's all he said, nothing else. He cannot comment on Bush but he can comment on Lienert cz he's a senior. Now somewhere caught up in the middle of this is us saying that we were gonna pick up an option on Carrs' contract. Well 1 + 1 = 3????. Now we've got Young in the mix. I won't drool over him as I usually do but this thow about 32 monkey wrenches in the whole thing. Mcnair has said (sorry no link) that picking up the option on was immenint (sp) but there was no hurry. Dan Reeves said Carr would make a good NFL QB. Not a good Texans QB but a good NFL QB. The writing is on the wall that we take Young and/or we're taking Young. Mort is just saving face cuz it's playoff time and he has about 1% left in him after covering the playoffs. Sources say this and sources say that. ESPN doesn't want the Texans to take Bush cuz like I said in a previous post that the whole state of CA turned off the TV after the Younghorns beat the Trojans they'll likely do the same after Bush is not #1.

And Mort, if you're reading this (or one of his "sources"), just leave us the hell alone until you've got time to focus on us. Or better yet, bring your Yankee *** down here and beat the pavement and knock on some doors and ask questions yourself. See you in April Dawg. .

You seem a bit paranoid.:hmmm: :hide:whew I thought I heard Mort coming. They (being the Texans and not Mort) will probably come out a little more stable after we get our new coach. Until then everything is speculation. :hyper: Sounds like my kids. He said this and she said that. They have to come out and say something, but until they are all in the War room you never know.

Texans Pride
01-16-2006, 10:23 PM
Here is a link to the Richard Justice article from today's paper (Jan 16) addressing the leaks coming from the Texans Staff, specifically the leak about the Texans taking Bush.

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/01/bob_mcnair_need.html

The article states that it was Casserly who spoke to Carroll and assured him that Bush would be the number 1 pick.

McNair did speak to Carroll. He said he made no such promise. Charley Casserly apparently spoke to Carroll as well. He told him Bush would be the No. 1 pick.
But that conversation took place before it become clear Young would leave Texas. The report casts the information in a different way.

I wonder if Mr. Casserly did state this before Bush declared? It says it was before Young announce, but I wonder how much sooner.

Napa Auto Parts
01-16-2006, 10:41 PM
USC Coach Pete Carroll, though, has thought about it. Since he has an NFL background, I asked Carroll the big question: If it's between Leinart or Bush, who goes No. 1?
``Quarterbacks are harder to find, you know, historically,'' Carroll said. ``I'm not trying to take anything away from Reggie. But there's been numbers and numbers and numbers of great running backs that have been third-round picks.



http://www.kansascity.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13253600.htm



posted this beofre but here it goes again.

Texans Pride
01-16-2006, 10:57 PM
USC Coach Pete Carroll, though, has thought about it. Since he has an NFL background, I asked Carroll the big question: If it's between Leinart or Bush, who goes No. 1?
``Quarterbacks are harder to find, you know, historically,'' Carroll said. ``I'm not trying to take anything away from Reggie. But there's been numbers and numbers and numbers of great running backs that have been third-round picks.



http://www.kansascity.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13253600.htm



posted this beofre but here it goes again.



That was also published back on November 25, 2005, a lot can change in a month and a half; just look what happened over the course of one night with Vince Young exploding onto the scene.

Napa Auto Parts
01-16-2006, 11:03 PM
Quarterbacks are harder to find, you know, historically,'' Carroll said. ``I'm not trying to take anything away from Reggie. But there's been numbers and numbers and numbers of great running backs that have been third-round picks.



thats just what caught my attention:spy:

Big B Texan Fan
01-17-2006, 12:32 AM
That was also published back on November 25, 2005, a lot can change in a month and a half; just look what happened over the course of one night with Vince Young exploding onto the scene.
Nov 25th was after that Fresno game that every one was drooling over.
For him to say that after that game and what it meant to Bushs' Heisman stock and his draft stock. That's kinda weird. I'm with you napa. It is eye catching.

GP
01-17-2006, 12:48 AM
McNair is class.

He wouldn't say he'd take Reggie Bush unless he will. There's a lot of posturing that can occur in terms of draft strategy, but I seriously doubt that McNair would stoop so low as to promise one thing and then do another.

It adds up: Kubiak + Kubiak's O Line Coach + DD + Wells + Bush + Morency = A heckuva' lot better running game than Denver ever dreamed of having.

My dream of drafting a stud o lineman with one of the first picks of the entire draft is fading fast.

Saying Carr will flourish with Bush and AJ, and under Kubiak's system, better dang well be right.

Hookem Horns
01-17-2006, 12:58 AM
McNair is class.

He wouldn't say he'd take Reggie Bush unless he will. There's a lot of posturing that can occur in terms of draft strategy, but I seriously doubt that McNair would stoop so low as to promise one thing and then do another.

It adds up: Kubiak + Kubiak's O Line Coach + DD + Wells + Bush + Morency = A heckuva' lot better running game than Denver ever dreamed of having.

My dream of drafting a stud o lineman with one of the first picks of the entire draft is fading fast.

Saying Carr will flourish with Bush and AJ, and under Kubiak's system, better dang well be right.

If he was promising to take Bush than he is a moron. You don't play your hand like that especially when you can't know for sure who you are going to take, especially when you don't even know who your coach is going to be.

Big B Texan Fan
01-17-2006, 01:22 AM
Somewhere in this tread someone has Cass saying that bush will go #1.
Did he say bush will go #1 to the Texans?

BTW, loose lips sinx ships. Cass needs to do his homework first and run his mouth second.