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LBC_Justin
01-14-2006, 03:13 AM
OK here are my observations. I watched every game this season but I am by no means an expert. This what I have seen, read and hear about our team.

Feel free to add.


Offense

QB
Carr has been evaluated by numerous scouts, consultants, and "league personel experts" and they all say if he gets protection he is the guy. Tremdous arm strength and one of the most mobile QBs in the nfl. No one really knows what he will be able to do until he gets consistent protection.
Back up - Banks and Ragone are decent but don't push Carr for the starting job. Our QB situation is not pressing, the smart play is to see what impact the a shake up on the O-line and new coaching has on QB play.

RB
DD is about average for a starting back in the NFL. Morecy is serviceable
Wells is a big back, that can block and fill a role as FB too. Hollings should be cut this offseason. We have No real play makers &no home run hitters. We need one.

FB
Norris is nothing special, but is servicable

WR
Andre is a stud, Mathis has the talent needs the reps, Derick Armstrong has potential, Gaffney needs to bring his game to the next level and step up and become the #2 reciever we have been hoping he would become. Corey Bradford - I can't recall how many times I swore at my TV and begged for this guy to be cut. WE need a #2 passing threat to compliment AJ.

TE
Bennie Joppru....he is like Kaiser Soze. No one is sure if this guy really even exists. My dream is that he becomes the come back player of the year in 06, but I am not counting on it. Murphy, Rivers & Bruener don't exactly strike fear into any defenses. (WE need a tight-end that can catch passes over the middle and can block.)

O-line
Word on the street is some people are happy with Chester Pitts at Left Tackle. (I don't know enough to know how true that is.)
Right Tackle...We need to upgrade.
Guards....We need to upgrade.
Center....We need to upgrade. How is Hodgdon?
If I have learned anything from being an Oilers fan in the early 90's it is that an O-line can take you a long way. Ask the Steelers.
Bottom-line is our pass protection needs to be addressed. I think the combination of new coaching and new talent can turn this around.


Defense

D-line:
Not getting enough push, not occupying enough blockers. Not putting enough pressure on the QB. We need to upgrade. We need a pass rusher in the worst way.

LineBackers
At best we have a crew of below-average Linebackers. Props to Babin for finishing strong. Peek is emotional but does't play smart. Greenwood is overpaid. Wong is missing. Orr...interesting. We need some serious upgrades, right now we have no playmakers and no standout passrusher.


Secondary
D-rob is great, P-buc is better than most people think(not saying much) and wasn't horrible in the second half of the season. Coleman is done. We have a couple of young guys with some talent. CC Brown had a decent rookie year. (Our front SEVEN does such a poor job of pressuring the QB these guys look worse than the are.) We could use upgrading but I think other areas need more help.


Kicker
Kris Brown.
Not the most clutch guy in the world but he is fine (we could do worse).

Punter:
No clue.

Kick/Punt return:
Mathis.......total Stud.
Morency......average.

OK so we need a lot of help. But I think coaching alone should have a pretty big impact on this team. This group of guys big time UNDERACHIEVED in 2005. Expect them to show remarkable improvement next year.

This offseason I think we need help in the following areas the most.

#1 Better pass protection. I don't care where they come from or what postion they play, we need new guys to make an impact. (Our first pick should not be used on this. We can address it in the second or third rounds.)

#2 Offensive Playmaker.

#3 Defensive pass rusher. Linebacker that can drop into coverage or can go after the QB. D-lineman that can get to the QB or require double coverage by the opposing team's O-line. (Player(s) that will vastly improve our front seven.)

#4 Tight End or #2 reciever. A great tightend would be the best, one that can improve pass protection or be a reliable #2 reciever.

Grid
01-14-2006, 04:09 AM
RB
DD is about average for a starting back in the NFL. Morecy is serviceable
Wells is a big back, that can block and fill a role as FB too. Hollings should be cut this offseason. We have No real play makers &no home run hitters. We need one.

I would add that we need a back as talented as DD to share carries with him. DD cant handle the workload himself..and using Wells or Morency to share carries would weaken our running game. They are good backups..not starters.


WR
Andre is a stud, Mathis has the talent needs the reps, Derick Armstrong has potential, Gaffney needs to bring his game to the next level and step up and become the #2 reciever we have been hoping he would become. Corey Bradford - I can't recall how many times I swore at my TV and begged for this guy to be cut. WE need a #2 passing threat to compliment AJ.

This isnt necessarily a need at this point. Upon evaluation of our talent we will probably find that Gaffney or Armstrong or Mathis is a good #2. Either way.. i find it hard to beleive that one of them cannot grow into the #2 spot.. especially Mathis or Gaffney. I blame the majority of our receiving problems on our coaching staff and their unwillingness to experiment with and try out our younger players. Not to mention our poor pass blocking.

TE
Bennie Joppru....he is like Kaiser Soze. No one is sure if this guy really even exists. My dream is that he becomes the come back player of the year in 06, but I am not counting on it. Murphy, Rivers & Bruener don't exactly strike fear into any defenses. (WE need a tight-end that can catch passes over the middle and can block.)

A team can play just fine without a playmaker at TE. This position needs evaluation and new schemes to fully utilize what we already have. The new coaching staff will either fix this problem, or show that it is a need. Too early to tell.

O-line
Word on the street is some people are happy with Chester Pitts at Left Tackle. (I don't know enough to know how true that is.)
Right Tackle...We need to upgrade.
Guards....We need to upgrade.
Center....We need to upgrade. How is Hodgdon?
If I have learned anything from being an Oilers fan in the early 90's it is that an O-line can take you a long way. Ask the Steelers.
Bottom-line is our pass protection needs to be addressed. I think the combination of new coaching and new talent can turn this around.

I agree that new coaching will be the biggest indicator here. As far as needs goes.. RT we need an upgrade, but we also need to look at Wand at this position. He may be the answer. We need one more guard for sure.. but Wiegert or McKinney can probably hold down the other spot..Wiegert especially. Center.. getting an established player at center would be nice... but Hodgdon looked good and may be our future there. Id say an FA center would be a good move, but not at the top of our needs. Pitts can hold down the LT spot... or the RT spot if we get someone who can take LT from him. He is a better tackle than guard.


D-line:
Not getting enough push, not occupying enough blockers. Not putting enough pressure on the QB. We need to upgrade. We need a pass rusher in the worst way.

This will depend alot on whether or not we switch to a 4-3. Assuming we stay at the 3-4.. we are "ok" here for the next season. Grabbing someone like Gabe Watson in the 3rd would not be a bad move.. we need to start adding some youth to the line. Eventually..within the next couple of seasons..we need to acquire a young and talented DT either through FA or the Draft that can replace Payne. Pass rush isnt necessarily the Dlines job... they need to stop the run and collapse the pocket. This is a high priority position for us.. but may not be possible to fully address this offseason.


LineBackers
At best we have a crew of below-average Linebackers. Props to Babin for finishing strong. Peek is emotional but does't play smart. Greenwood is overpaid. Wong is missing. Orr...interesting. We need some serious upgrades, right now we have no playmakers and no standout passrusher.


Our linebackers are underappreciated. We have more talent here than most people realize. There is alot of athleticism and energy in our LBs, but they were poorly used by our former DC. A new coaching staff will show whether or not this is a need for us.. I am of the opinion that we are going to be pleasantly surprised by the pass rush capabilities of our LBs under a new staff.

Secondary
D-rob is great, P-buc is better than most people think(not saying much) and wasn't horrible in the second half of the season. Coleman is done. We have a couple of young guys with some talent. CC Brown had a decent rookie year. (Our front SEVEN does such a poor job of pressuring the QB these guys look worse than the are.) We could use upgrading but I think other areas need more help.


Id rate this need above our LBs, below our Oline and Dline.. basicly our third greatest need. This is one area of the defense that we cannot afford to skimp on in our division. Robinson is a lock for years to come.. Brown and Earl are plenty at SS. We have plenty of depth at CB and SS/FS.. what we lack is an obvious starter at FS and #2 CB. At least one of these needs to be addressed this offseason. Id say the jury is still out on Buchanan...but he does NOT have much time left before he is limited to nickle and dime packages for the rest of his career.

Kicker
Kris Brown.
Not the most clutch guy in the world but he is fine (we could do worse).

Punter:
No clue.

These guys have been solid for us for a long time.. but have slipped badly the last season. Id give them another season to get back on track before I look to replace.

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#1 Better pass protection. I don't care where they come from or what postion they play, we need new guys to make an impact. (Our first pick should not be used on this. We can address it in the second or third rounds.)

Total agreement here.

#2 Offensive Playmaker.

id list this as a need..but at the bottom of the needs pile. But you wont find a better time to address it than with the #1 pick and Reggie Bush.

#3 Defensive pass rusher. Linebacker that can drop into coverage or can go after the QB. D-lineman that can get to the QB or require double coverage by the opposing team's O-line. (Player(s) that will vastly improve our front seven.)

Id list the Dline here.. LBs are a less immediate need until we can see them with a better staff.

#4 Tight End or #2 reciever. A great tightend would be the best, one that can improve pass protection or be a reliable #2 reciever.

Wouldnt even list this as a need yet. Time will tell on this one. Id put the secondary here.

So my needs are:

1) Oline
2) Dline
3) Secondary
4) Linebacker
5) Offensive Playmaker
6) TE/Receiver

LBC_Justin
01-14-2006, 04:18 AM
So my needs are:

1) Oline
2) Dline
3) Secondary
4) Linebacker
5) Offensive Playmaker
6) TE/Receiver
Can't argue with that. Games are won and lost in the trenches and that is where we need the most help.

Spoda
01-14-2006, 08:28 AM
addressing needs is stupid..don't you know there is a QB from houston there for us to draft...he will fix the defense with his leadership we have been told about...




trade the pick

Grid
01-14-2006, 08:45 AM
Boy you are predictable Spoda. every post is useless and laced with sarcasm.

I can see why you are so adamant about trading the pick though.. the best talents are available in the middle and end of the first, that is why they are available so late.. because the first 10-15 teams are required to take players that are useless and overpaid.. no game changing player has ever been drafted early in the first. Besides, a few more picks on the first day is the only thing keeping us from the playoffs.. look at our picks in the past.. all of our superstar players came in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.. and we have never drafted a quality player before #20. With another 2nd and 3rd rounder.. that would give us 5 career probowlers in one draft. Plus.. we would save more money by signing all of those first day picks than signing the #1 pick.. ask aj.



keep the pick

whiskeyrbl
01-14-2006, 08:49 AM
Again i will say i am no expert but heres what i would do.First and foremost for the defense is switch to a 4-3.
LDE- A.Peek RDE- J.Babin
LDT- T.Johnson RDT- R.Smith NT-S.Payne
LOLB-S.Orr MLB-M.Greenwood ROLB- K. Wong
LCB-D. Faggins RCB- D.Robinson
SS- G.Earl FS- C.C. Brown

offense
Revamp OL through free agency and draft & Trade market( we have 4 picks in the first 66)
Qb- D Carr (shop for quality backup)
RB- #1 pick R. Bush (trade DD,resign J.Wells)Shop Morency
WR- A. Johnson,J.Gaffney,D.Armstrong(J.Mathis,R.Bush)shop Bradford
TE-Draft D.Thomas U.of Tx(Trade Bruener)
special teams
K- Draft Crosby ( Colorado University) shop K.Brown
P-???????????
KR-Mathis & Bush
Pr- Buchanon
Give feedback:trophy:

Kaiser Toro
01-14-2006, 08:51 AM
So my needs are:

1) Oline
2) Dline
3) Secondary
4) Linebacker
5) Offensive Playmaker
6) TE/Receiver

Whoop, there it is. Boom shaka laka. The problem is that everyone knows it, but will our front office be up to the task.

Spoda
01-14-2006, 08:53 AM
you misunderstand my sarchasm..i don't want to trade out of the top 6...i am just sick of all the VY threads...in my opinion that would be the worst thing to do is draft the saviour...while having him cure cancer while in a texans uniform sounds nice, i want us to win...i want mario williams /brick/hawk/ or jimmy williams...we have a qb..we have spent a 4th rd pick or higher 4 years in a row on HB's..if we don't trade down i am in the bush camp because he can help ...but if we draft vince i will be in section 112 every sunday leaning over to give him 5 before they run out of the giant inflatable helmet right in front of my seat blocking me from the cheerleaders...

if it was VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY VY from the beginning i could stomache it..but only a few of you here were hyping him before the rose bowl..it's just ridiculous

trade the pick ..let's get some help on D or brick..that's all i'm saying...

Kaiser Toro
01-14-2006, 08:59 AM
I would love to cut DC, not draft VY and trade down. Man would that be nice.

Grid
01-14-2006, 09:04 AM
well ive stayed in the Bush camp personally but that doesnt really matter. And in defense of the VY supporters.. many of the most intelligent (if not most vocal) were VY supporters before the rose bowl, but didnt think he would be declaring... UT players never do.

anyway.. we all want to win but its a question of what is best for the team in the long run. Trading down and drafting a bunch of players for need sounds like a good idea.. but draft picks dont always work out.. actually alot of the time they dont. A GM who is 50/50 in the draft is doing alright. When you have the chance to take an "almost sure thing".. you dont pass on it.. not when the prospect shows great talent and could possibly make a huge difference on whatever team gets him. Is Bush our greatest need? no.. but he isnt someone we definatly DONT need..and he could make a huge difference in our offense if he pans out like everyone expects him to.

As for Dbrick.. he isnt really that good of a fit in the Denver Oline. We would be better off with someone like Daryn Colledge..who will most likely be available at #33. he is a technically sound, but undersized tackle. Even so.. a tackle isnt our most immediate need on the Oline.. we need guards.. interior linemen.. and the best ones will be drafted in the 2nd and 3rd. DESPITE that.. the Denver offensive line..which has been so successful and which we will more than likely be mimicking.. only has ONE starting lineman that was taken above the 4th round.. and their LT is an undrafted tight end.

As for defense.. id love to get a CB in the first as well.. Buchanan could be a soar spot for us next season if he doesnt either get his act together, or get replaced by a free agent. But given the choice between one of the most promising College prospects in years.. or a #2 CB.. ill take the potential hall of famer.

Dont get me wrong.. I see the benefit of trading down.. there are alot of players that will be available between 10-32 that I would not mind seeing on this team.. and I wouldnt mind getting my hands on one or two more players in the 2nd and 3rd... so I wouldnt be against a trade down.. I just dont think that trading down is a foregone conclusion...and I think getting Bush could be just as good, if not better for us.

Kaiser Toro
01-14-2006, 09:09 AM
well ive stayed in the Bush camp personally but that doesnt really matter. And in defense of the VY supporters.. many of the most intelligent (if not most vocal) were VY supporters before the rose bowl, but didnt think he would be declaring... UT players never do.

anyway.. we all want to win but its a question of what is best for the team in the long run. Trading down and drafting a bunch of players for need sounds like a good idea.. but draft picks dont always work out.. actually alot of the time they dont. A GM who is 50/50 in the draft is doing alright. When you have the chance to take an "almost sure thing".. you dont pass on it.. not when the prospect shows great talent and could possibly make a huge difference on whatever team gets him. Is Bush our greatest need? no.. but he isnt someone we definatly DONT need..and he could make a huge difference in our offense if he pans out like everyone expects him to.

As for Dbrick.. he isnt really that good of a fit in the Denver Oline. We would be better off with someone like Daryn Colledge..who will most likely be available at #33. he is a technically sound, but undersized tackle. Even so.. a tackle isnt our most immediate need on the Oline.. we need guards.. interior linemen.. and the best ones will be drafted in the 2nd and 3rd. DESPITE that.. the Denver offensive line..which has been so successful and which we will more than likely be mimicking.. only has ONE starting lineman that was taken above the 4th round.. and their LT is an undrafted tight end.

As for defense.. id love to get a CB in the first as well.. Buchanan could be a soar spot for us next season if he doesnt either get his act together, or get replaced by a free agent. But given the choice between one of the most promising College prospects in years.. or a #2 CB.. ill take the potential hall of famer.

Dont get me wrong.. I see the benefit of trading down.. there are alot of players that will be available between 10-32 that I would not mind seeing on this team.. and I wouldnt mind getting my hands on one or two more players in the 2nd and 3rd... so I wouldnt be against a trade down.. I just dont think that trading down is a foregone conclusion...and I think getting Bush could be just as good, if not better for us.

Another good take this morning Grid. Specifically on Dbrick.

Spoda
01-14-2006, 09:13 AM
and i see the benefit in drafting bush..like i said if we keep the pick i'm in the bush camp...i just pray that one of those tackles slips to the second..then i pray harder that a TE slips to the 3rd....but by then all the defensive help will be gone..so we go with our young guys and pray it WAS the coaching...the only thing i am against is drafting vince...unless carr is gone somehow which doesn't look likely



trade the pick

cadahnic
01-14-2006, 09:18 AM
Ok dude I think you went a little off on what is going on, you have a bit of a madden mentality when it comes to our team and shopping players.
I will stay with your switch to a 4-3 and go from there. First, sign Lecharles Bentley, Teyo Johnson, Will Demps or Sam Brandon(I think CC could handle FS but competition does not hurt) and a young MLB in FA. Teyo and MLB will be pretty cheap due to their tenure. Bentley about 5-6yrs 25M. Next trade the first pick to the NY Jets for a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and next years 1st 3rd. AJ wrote on the trading of picks and cap situation of multiple high round picks, but in his evaluation of said situation I think he assumed we would pick more than 8 guys this year. Philly had 11 picks last year and like we will due is use most for trade value. Next with the Jets pick we take Mario Williams DE NC State. We now have an two seconds, thirds, and 4ths. Simply put we package the extra picks similar to the Babin pick for Denver's 22nd pick and take Eric Winston, Jon Scott, Winston Justice, or another high end OT. With the rest of the picks we address needs of the team which are OL(interior =1G,1 later ound all-purposeOL Callahan comes to mind), DL (3 or 4th round DT or DE BPA), CB/FS tweener (Jonathan Joseph USCarolina is a nice CB), O-Playmaker WR/Puntreturner, Athletic LB (Rocky McIntosh). Sorry TE does not make my list of immediate needs.

cadahnic
01-14-2006, 09:31 AM
Ok dude I think you went a little off on what is going on, you have a bit of a madden mentality when it comes to our team and shopping players.
I will stay with your switch to a 4-3 and go from there. First, sign Lecharles Bentley, Teyo Johnson, Will Demps or Sam Brandon(I think CC could handle FS but competition does not hurt) and a young MLB in FA. Teyo and MLB will be pretty cheap due to their tenure. Bentley about 5-6yrs 25M. Next trade the first pick to the NY Jets for a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and next years 1st 3rd. AJ wrote on the trading of picks and cap situation of multiple high round picks, but in his evaluation of said situation I think he assumed we would pick more than 8 guys this year. Philly had 11 picks last year and like we will due is use most for trade value. Next with the Jets pick we take Mario Williams DE NC State. We now have an two seconds, thirds, and 4ths. Simply put we package the extra picks similar to the Babin pick for Denver's 22nd pick and take Eric Winston, Jon Scott, Winston Justice, or another high end OT. With the rest of the picks we address needs of the team which are OL(interior =1G,1 later ound all-purposeOL Callahan comes to mind), DL (3 or 4th round DT or DE BPA), CB/FS tweener (Jonathan Joseph USCarolina is a nice CB), O-Playmaker WR/Puntreturner, Athletic LB (Rocky McIntosh). Sorry TE does not make my list of immediate needs.

LDE Babin Peek Situational
RDE Mario Williams
1gap DT T. Johnson, Robaire Smith
2gap DT S. Payne, G. Walker
ILB K. Wong, Rocky McIntosh as backup
WOLB M. Greenwood
SOLB S. Orr
CB D. Robinson, Faggins nickel
CB P. Buchanon, J. Joseph dime until he takes the starting spot
FS W. Demps, S. Brandon, or CC Brown
SS G. Earl, late round addition D. Slay

LT Chester Pitts
LG Restructured McKinney, F. Weary, rookie
C L. Bentley, Hodgon
RG Weigert, Washington, Rookie
RT Rookie, Wade, Wand
QB D. Carr, Ragone and Rookie as backups
RB D. Davis- Morency and Wells
FB M. Norris- Wells sub
TE T. Johnson, M. Rivers, or B. Joppru whichever takes the spot
WR A. Johnson- Mathis slot
WR resigned J. Gaffney (our TJ Houshmanzadeh), Armstrong, fast Rookie

Kaiser Toro
01-14-2006, 09:35 AM
LDE Babin Peek Situational
RDE Mario Williams
1gap DT T. Johnson, Robaire Smith
2gap DT S. Payne, G. Walker
ILB K. Wong, Rocky McIntosh as backup
WOLB M. Greenwood
SOLB S. Orr
CB D. Robinson, Faggins nickel
CB P. Buchanon, J. Joseph dime until he takes the starting spot
FS W. Demps, S. Brandon, or CC Brown
SS G. Earl, late round addition D. Slay

LT Chester Pitts
LG Restructured McKinney, F. Weary, rookie
C L. Bentley, Hodgon
RG Weigert, Washington, Rookie
RT Rookie, Wade, Wand
QB D. Carr, Ragone and Rookie as backups
RB D. Davis- Morency and Wells
FB M. Norris- Wells sub
TE T. Johnson, M. Rivers, or B. Joppru whichever takes the spot
WR A. Johnson- Mathis slot
WR resigned J. Gaffney (our TJ Houshmanzadeh), Armstrong, fast Rookie

No disrespect, but the Texans marketing department better slap some lipstick/cologne on that pig because my toes are not tapping due to that lineup.

cadahnic
01-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Kaiser what are your arguments with said squad. I think it is the best possible mix we could make without overspending and some phenominal draft. I have read in Morknolle's post with the trade down option picking up J. Abraham in the deal which would make Babin a SOLB or MLB and Peek would stay as situational. Give me your feedback on your situations with the lineup.

Kaiser Toro
01-14-2006, 09:57 AM
Kaiser what are your arguments with said squad. I think it is the best possible mix we could make without overspending and some phenominal draft. I have read in Morknolle's post with the trade down option picking up J. Abraham in the deal which would make Babin a SOLB or MLB and Peek would stay as situational. Give me your feedback on your situations with the lineup.

Simply a case of potential output vs similar look to last year's team. I think that squad performs incrementally better, but it will be a tough sell for the Texan's to get their fans charged up.

I like Bentley and think he should be our focus in FA. Williams I have not seen enough of, but the people around here that are pitching him seem to share my same tastes.

cadahnic
01-14-2006, 10:05 AM
ok so your stance is from a sell standpoint. the thought that not enough was done in order for a true turnaround. I can see that, but in all honesty without alot of cuts and FA signings I dont see how we would be that much different from last year. I agree it will be a sell, but with Kubes coming in the spin is already on.

Kaiser Toro
01-14-2006, 10:10 AM
[QUOTE=cadahnic]ok so your stance is from a sell standpoint.QUOTE]

Exactly.

thunderkyss
01-14-2006, 10:53 AM
QB
Carr has been evaluated by numerous scouts, consultants, and "league personel experts" and they all say if he gets protection he is the guy. Tremdous arm strength and one of the most mobile QBs in the nfl. No one really knows what he will be able to do until he gets consistent protection.
Back up - Banks and Ragone are decent but don't push Carr for the starting job. Our QB situation is not pressing, the smart play is to see what impact the a shake up on the O-line and new coaching has on QB play.

RB
DD is about average for a starting back in the NFL. Morecy is serviceable
Wells is a big back, that can block and fill a role as FB too. Hollings should be cut this offseason. We have No real play makers &no home run hitters. We need one.

Just imagine if you improve the offensive line, How can our run game not get an instant boost. He's broken runs for 50 yards many times in the past, If you can get him to mid field, he just might hit that homerun. This RB statement just reeks of bias, and negates the whole post IMO.

This offseason I think we need help in the following areas the most.

#1 Better pass protection. I don't care where they come from or what postion they play, we need new guys to make an impact. (Our first pick should not be used on this. We can address it in the second or third rounds.)

#2 Offensive Playmaker.

#3 Defensive pass rusher. Linebacker that can drop into coverage or can go after the QB. D-lineman that can get to the QB or require double coverage by the opposing team's O-line. (Player(s) that will vastly improve our front seven.)

#4 Tight End or #2 reciever. A great tightend would be the best, one that can improve pass protection or be a reliable #2 reciever.


There is one player in the Draft that could help us out with your #1, #2, and #4 recommendations. Yep, Vince young.
If he can move out of the pocket, and make plays out there on the wing, Your line doesn't have to guard for 5 seconds, Your recievers get more time to get open(meaning a number four on any other team will look like a number two), and well you'll have a bunch of offensive playmakers, because he's going to need to be spied, and accounted for. Defense won't have the numbers advantage theyenjoy today.

YoungTexanFan
01-14-2006, 11:01 AM
Again i will say i am no expert

MLB-M.Greenwood
LCB-D. Faggins
FS- C.C. Brown



You werent joking. However, I like the overall stratagy. Greenwood will have to stay this year,but is not the answer at MLB. CC Brown is a SS only. He is not fast enough and just not good enough to be a FS. I love the kid, but be realistic.

That leads us to Faggins. I have expressed my dislike for him in other post. He IS NOT the freakin answer, even for next year at CB. I would put CC Brown in there before faggins!!! He is horrible. He is too slow, too small, doesnt make read fast enough, bites on anything, lacks hands, lacks tenacity, lacks recovery ability, lacks heart, lacks EVERYTHING you look for in a CB.

cadahnic
01-14-2006, 11:13 AM
YTF are you thinking Jonathan Joseph in the third or ealier possibly. I think Secondary is a huge need for us in our particular division.

Grid
01-14-2006, 11:24 AM
Lay off Faggins. He isnt starter material... I was with you on too slow and too small to be the #2... but when you got into his lacking in hands, tenacity, and heart.. that is just wrong. That is personal dislike clouding judgement. He is a very good nickle and dime CB.. he just needs to stay as a nickle and dime CB.

Remember that when we had Glenn and Robinson at #1 and #2.. Faggins made plays for us.

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img7845338.jpg

LBC_Justin
01-14-2006, 12:55 PM
Just imagine if you improve the offensive line, How can our run game not get an instant boost. He's broken runs for 50 yards many times in the past, If you can get him to mid field, he just might hit that homerun. This RB statement just reeks of bias, and negates the whole post IMO.



There is one player in the Draft that could help us out with your #1, #2, and #4 recommendations. Yep, Vince young.
If he can move out of the pocket, and make plays out there on the wing, Your line doesn't have to guard for 5 seconds, Your recievers get more time to get open(meaning a number four on any other team will look like a number two), and well you'll have a bunch of offensive playmakers, because he's going to need to be spied, and accounted for. Defense won't have the numbers advantage theyenjoy today.
I refuse to turn this into a Vince Young thread. This applies to any QB even Vince Young and Peyton Manning.

#1. Our offensive line is fine at run blocking. It has trouble with pass protection. For some reason people never realise there is a difference and that a O-line can be good at one and bad at the other.

#2. Any QB regardless of who he is, is going to have trouble when they go from playing behind one the best (if not the best) offensive lines to playing behind a HORRIBLE offensive line. Period.

#3 Our wide recievers have trouble getting seperation.(Did you watch the games this season?) A QB isn't going to change that.

bigTEXan8
01-14-2006, 12:58 PM
#2. Any QB regardless of who he is, is going to have trouble when they go from playing behind one the best (if not the best) offensive lines to playing behind a HORRIBLE offensive line. Period.

One of the most accurate statements made on this board ever made.

dat_boy_yec
01-14-2006, 09:50 PM
Just imagine if you improve the offensive line, How can our run game not get an instant boost. He's broken runs for 50 yards many times in the past, If you can get him to mid field, he just might hit that homerun. This RB statement just reeks of bias, and negates the whole post IMO.

The line does a good job in the running game. Who are you talking about, I haven't seen many 50 yd. runs on this team period. Well besides mathis on kick returns.


There is one player in the Draft that could help us out with your #1, #2, and #4 recommendations. Yep, Vince young.
If he can move out of the pocket, and make plays out there on the wing, Your line doesn't have to guard for 5 seconds, Your recievers get more time to get open(meaning a number four on any other team will look like a number two), and well you'll have a bunch of offensive playmakers, because he's going to need to be spied, and accounted for. Defense won't have the numbers advantage theyenjoy today.

Vince Young can be a good play maker, but saying that he will fill the #1 and 4 needs is wrong. First off he can't protect himself, and it's been proven QB's need a pocket presence (not saying he doesn't have one or can't develop one) once he gets out of the pocket he's going to be getting chased down by faster NFL players. If he goes to the side he won't be able to scan the field as well for his options as he would from the pocket. You just basically said Young doesn't need improved pass protection if he's constantly working from the wing. This does not address Pass Protection.

Second Vince cannot run faster than the ball he throws so he can't be the #2 option at wide receiver. It doesn't matter how long he has to throw if his receivers can't get open then what will Vince do. So your claims that Vince will solve all these things is ineffectual.

So now to the matter of the thread. At qb I think we need a solid backup, I haven't seen Ragone (maybe he's good, who knows.) but I am definetely not sold on Banks. Maybe draft a solid backup in the later rounds or get one in FA. At starter I think we have a good piece in place.

Offensive line. I think that coaching will help with alot of the problems. However I think that considering we are probably moving towards a different way of coaching I do not think that a lineman should not be taken until after the 2nd rd. Maybe third maybe later. After seeing Hodgedon this season I am confident we can find good linemen in the later rounds. Also tackle is one of our better positions with Pitts anchoring and Weigart at rt (hopefully Wand can compete and elevate the performance at this position.) I think guard may be the weakest link on our line however any position can be upgraded. I would like to see a line develop like Denver's but a little bigger so that the pass protection improves. I believe our line is more competent than what we have seen thus far and feel that drafting an offensive lineman so early in the draft may end up being a mistake.

RB, personally I would like to see an upgrade at this position. Nothing againts DD, but I don't think that he is as good as everybody gives him credit for. I think that the line does a very good job at run blocking and it shows in the consistent production by our RBs. Personally I can't picture any of our RBs having anywhere near the same amount of success on any other team besides Atlanta and Denver as they have enjoyed here. I would like another playmaker added here and one of the current RB here let go. If not Bush than I would like another bruiser or burner brought in. If not Bush or someone in FA then maybe in the fifth rd. if there are any upgrades available otherwise I think we can get by.

TE and receivers, I actually think the receivers we have now are satisfactory (with the exception of Bradford) Mathis and Johnson are deep threats Gaffney and Armstrong are good in slot or wide. I am confident we can get by with the wr personnel we have now, so adding another wr would be just for depth. TE we have a decent to above average receiving one in Rivers, Bruener is getting paid to much in my opinion I would like to see a TE picked up in the 2nd or 3rd rd that could block as well as catch or pick one up in FA. (in addition to hoping that the mithical Joppru comes into existence on this team.)

On Defense alot of our players are set due to contracts whatnot so unless we were able to somehow trade some away I think there is little manuevering room. However, IMO we are ok at lbs for now I think bringing the priority on defense is bringing in guys that will push our front lines to improve. (or take their jobs) so I think with lbs and d-line we should look for depth. I guess where we could improve is the secondary be it safety or corner. You can never have to many good corners and right now I don't know how many good ones we have besides D-rob so upgrading at that postion is always good. I think my opinion will become more refined after the combine seeing how the prospects perform but as of now this is how my evaluation stands.